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Men should not be cooking, its WRONG!
March 27 2011
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15 years ago
Quoting 'ChasingMidnight' Looks like the value on the pressure cooker might be slowly rattling down a bit as the heat on the burner is reduced...so now that I am out of popcorn, just a couple of thoughts. | First...what happened 50 years ago or 100 years ago is a bit like band camp, what happens there should stay there. Fortunately the evolution of society moves at a much faster pace than the one Darwin was talking about although I haven't checked in on the gorilla walking upright at the zoo lately, so who knows. Sure "They Way We Were" was a popular song in it's day but it's now elevator music so why not just accept that and move on. The horse is dead...don't beat it. | So another hypothesis...is a lot of what is being said here actually "equal rights" or somehow an over compensation in a world that is midstream in the dynamics of change? We should all be confused and maybe outraged...petrol is about to roll past $1.70 a litre and most of that is tax and bullshit. We all ought to get on top of the soapbox about that. Ostrich Gillard has gone under the sand and right now we need somebody to figure out what's going on with our economy, fixing up the mess in Queensland and repositioning ourselves in the X-Japan markets for the next few years. | I could give a shit about who cooks or cleans or straightens the seams in your knickers...get them out of a knot and maybe, just maybe...that noise you hear might be a bit of awareness when your head pops out of your butt and you look at what's really important. | Men and women are not combatants....or they shouldn't be in the celebration of life. Embrace the differences, work with what you have to work with...then get naked and do a dance around the May pole until we are all wrapped up in little silk ribbons and ready to have some fun. | Okay serious side....go read the FWA 2009 Act that was legislated into law on January 2010 and now covers small business for the first time by definition, rewrites the book on employment practises and policy and even forms the new cornerstone for all enterprise agreements. I just helped someone I know quite well pull $250 round out of one of the biggest companies in Australia because they were not being treated fairly...and the reason was that they were speaking a bit of the truth about a market that has the ethics of Judas. You can sit around all day and whinge about "it's not fair" or jump up on the website and find out your right and how to fix it. | Sure, it took Parliment one hell of a long time to put enough pressure on the regulators to force a change in the SIS ACT...and the primary "breadwinner" or top earner in a family situation according to the definitions of the SIS Act can't stash $2 Gazillion in superannuation and walk in to family court and not bring that to the table. But...at least it's there. | This venue? Wrong time and wrong place....let's talk about sex. Yeah yeah yeah...some folks like a good "anger fuck" now and then but not when they are really angry inside. | That's it for me...my fingers are all covered in nice slippery popcorn butter and taste like salt. Surely there has to be someone left in the audience that is a perv like me and would rather lick my fingers that wag one at somebody when in the end...we are all just people and should enjoy each other's company and companionship in the few remaining hours that we have left on this very short journey. | Anybody got any wet towelettes? All these hot chicks that have burned their bras in the last day or so or accidently got too close the fire look like they could use a bit of wiping down... | ...then we can hose them if they agree. This post really struck a cord with me. And then I realised my car runs on LPG. *shrug*
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15 years ago
Hmm I started off another thread not too long ago and seemed me and Boobs caught verbal diarrhea with our long winded posts. Now I haven't been kissing any of you guys so it must be Boobs who's passed it on! Again Midnight puts in a cracker of a post, love it.Fifi you're chasing everyone around with a big stick, I see your points and they are valid but you're bonking people on the head that were just trying to have some light hearted banter. The post was started in a light hearted nature so let's take it back there. If we can't have a laugh at the serious things in life we'd all be way too depressed to move forward. Man has conquered, pillaged and yes raped his way around the world since the start of man-kind and all he ever wanted was the love of a good woman and dare I say it to be pampered once in a while, we're a very simple beast really so why would you want to be equal when a good woman will always have the upper hand anyway?
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15 years ago
Anal sex? Otherwise going back to sleepzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 5 lines is a good length of a post, before we lose concentration.
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15 years ago
Quoting 'fionabee' Maybe I could ask you the same question. SNIP etc etc etc etc - if you want to read it all scroll up - SNIP I think the problem here Fiona is there is an itcy bitcy minority who are nodding their head when they read your posts... and the rest are tilting their heads like cute puppy dogs the first time someone whistles at them. . And I assume it is perspective. My parents lived 50 years ago. My grandparents I dunno... 70. And my great grandparents about 90. And none of the females (and I extend this to aunties and family friends in all those generations) have ever appeared to be the victims that you seem to make out females in those eras were. In fact they are (or in the case of the oldies.. were) all in pretty well adjusted, normal relationships. They are not slaves to their neanderthal. So when you harp on about those horrible times 50 years ago.... I got nothing. And I bet most other people don't either. . And that is because love wasn't invented when some Common Law said women were equal or could own half a house or could leave their husband without being killed.. It's because despite men apparently being Neanderthals back then, they still wanted love, and wanted to please their partner... as much as their partner wanted to please them. I doubt the world was as heavily slanted one way back in the olden days as you make out... nor do I believe it is today. . *Tilts Head*
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15 years ago
Maybe men shouldn't cook, unless they're judges on reality TV shows and are therefore in the alpha male position. There are a few female celebrity chefs about in Australia but they seem not to be in line for the positions currently occupied by men. And it's been that way for a long time, with men in the top jobs. In an activity some in previous times would say was woman's work, an exception was made for the elites, who had to be men.
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15 years ago
In many cases the abuse of women either physical or emotional is hidden today and was then. No this does not happen to all and I am glad that your family did not suffer this...to the best of your knowledge. It does not change the fact that women do not have the same opportunities as men...50 years ago or today. It does not give us equal pay for equal work nor does it allow us equal advancement within the work force. Yes we have laws in place to try and address the differences but we all know that there are ways around these laws. l And Puppy? I am aware that one needs laughter and frivolity in life. However, some subjects are serious. If I am chasing people with a big stick maybe it is because they need beating with the damn stick to actually stop and think a bit. They may have life pretty good but many do not. Not all situations in life should be made light of or things never change, they just remain a joke. l Mrs Peachypear...thankyou.
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15 years ago
Quoting 'fionabee' It does not give us equal pay for equal work nor does it allow us equal advancement within the work force. Yes we have laws in place to try and address the differences but we all know that there are ways around these laws. l Again... Perspective. . My company has a female CEO, and half the roles in the Executive are filled by women. Rest assured I don't work for a cosmetics company, nor do I work for a progressive 'ahead of it's time' company. To maintain some anonimity and put off the stalkers that I don't want to be stalked by (not many tbh) it's best described as an automotive parts supplier. I also know that in a previous role when I managed a team there, we did not pay the women differently to the men (don't credit our CEO - this was before her time). Sure... I made them wear skirts and low cut tops so they looked pretty, and they had to make me coffee and rub my shoulders when they I got tired.. but other than that - they were my equals. And the ladies I am close enough to discuss wages with now are paid similarly to me. Some even more (but they probably don't have time to sit on RHP all day, so that's kinda fair!). . Do McDonalds or Target or KMart pay the girls differently to the boys? HR is complicated enough these days without having to maintain a different (secret, because it would be illegal) rate of pay for women vs men. I know one regular forumite who works for a company where the entire executive are women. Westpac is run by a woman. Holy crap - the country is run by a woman. NSW was, WA was once, Victoria was, Qld is, NZ was. The USA has a black dude running it... it can't be long before they let a woman have a crack too! . Stalky hit the nail on the head. Look around you. Equality and fairness to women is out there... all you have to do is grab it. And if you don't get it - call NEXT. . Over to you FB... do you have real world examples of this world you live in where women are downtrodden, kept in low-ranking, low-paying jobs? And if so are men (aka the neanderthal devils) really to blame there?
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15 years ago
Jeano. Fiona has obviously based her assumptions on the average wage paid to women... v's the average wage paid to men and the she has concluded that all red herring are fish and therefore all fish are red herrings.The fact remains that a lot of women choose (yes choose) to stay at home, working part time, doing things they choose to do... for example, *shudder* raising kids.... Plenty of wives whose husbands have good paying jobs choose to work part time not because they have to but because they want to... and one close friend of mine, he stays at home so there is someone there when the kids get home from school, but the rest of the time he is trimming the sails on her 70 Beneteau, she being internationally renowned in her field of expertise, "keeps him" in the lifestyle to which she is accustomed. LOLZ>.... where do I get me one of those!!It is about choices. We all make them. Some women must obviously choose to work part time thereby contributing to the statistics of low paid women... and some obviously choose to be subs in their relationships, and who are we to say that's wrong? That's not a difficult concept to appreciate.HugsStalky Quoting 'Jean_Girard' Again... Perspective. . My company has a female CEO, and half the roles in the Executive are filled by women. Rest assured I don't work for a cosmetics company, nor do I work for a progressive 'ahead of it's time' company. To maintain some anonimity and put off the stalkers that I don't want to be stalked by (not many tbh) it's best described as an automotive parts supplier. I also know that in a previous role when I managed a team there, we did not pay the women differently to the men (don't credit our CEO - this was before her time). Sure... I made them wear skirts and low cut tops so they looked pretty, and they had to make me coffee and rub my shoulders when they I got tired.. but other than that - they were my equals. And the ladies I am close enough to discuss wages with now are paid similarly to me. Some even more (but they probably don't have time to sit on RHP all day, so that's kinda fair!). . Do McDonalds or Target or KMart pay the girls differently to the boys? HR is complicated enough these days without having to maintain a different (secret, because it would be illegal) rate of pay for women vs men. I know one regular forumite who works for a company where the entire executive are women. Westpac is run by a woman. Holy crap - the country is run by a woman. NSW was, WA was once, Victoria was, Qld is, NZ was. The USA has a black dude running it... it can't be long before they let a woman have a crack too! . Stalky hit the nail on the head. Look around you. Equality and fairness to women is out there... all you have to do is grab it. And if you don't get it - call NEXT. . Over to you FB... do you have real world examples of this world you live in where women are downtrodden, kept in low-ranking, low-paying jobs? And if so are men (aka the neanderthal devils) really to blame there?
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15 years ago
Quoting 'looking2try3' Roxxy Babe you do it for me everytime your straight forward nature , you lack of political correctness you seriously make me smile ! I love exctracting the gold from your posts ! Everyone ! Charlie's has hit on something there ! Ticklish - Sarah is with you -we choose to live our lives like this with very defined roles - a little old school yes, but as it was pointed out by some wise folk here - it works for us. Pups thankyou for noting my tone ;-) Come on kids it all about Hyundia's , boob jobs and who takes out the trash ....and whether we are all really any happier than we were 50 years ago ? ........... come on now! Men need to be men and lets let women be women and then dont we all get along better ? Brae ........... Thinking his dinner should be ready soon. my sweetest Brae believe me when i say i dont believe in political correctness...waste of time i think anyway...whats wrong with a good blonde dumb joke or a gay, aboringinal, irish joke or even one about how dumb women are??? hahaha but yeah i think the great man was on to something and just to prove his theory he has been married forever to the same woman...you cant get any better proof than that i dont think sweet thing how did you know i drive a Hyundi and put out my own trash???....i dont need the boobjob though, these suckers are big enough lol...but il tell you a secret, you know the real reason i had so many kids???...so someone would mow my damn lawn and do all the gardening hahaha roxxy
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15 years ago
JG...even if you have a case of the vapours under the hood, Google bio-diesel and how it's made without using oil...just a weed that could be grown by the tonne year round in the red dirt with only two bi-products, clean diesel and glycerine. Now that...is worth taking a stick to somebody's butt instead of passing gas. Oh well...it cost about 10 cents to make a litre at home in a small quantity...so I guess I am just beating my head against a wall. If it hurts when you do it...?
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15 years ago
Quoting 'ChasingMidnight'JG...even if you have a case of the vapours under the hood, Google bio-diesel and how it's made without using oil...just a weed that could be grown by the tonne year round in the red dirt with only two bi-products, clean diesel and glycerine. Now that...is worth taking a stick to somebody's butt instead of passing gas. Oh well...it cost about 10 cents to make a litre at home in a small quantity...so I guess I am just beating my head against a wall. If it hurts when you do it...? Have seen more than my fair share of horror storied related to Bio-diesel care of the largest manufacturers of commercial diesel engines. Their advice is that bio-diesel is a bit like sex with ugly chicks... no more than 5%.
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15 years ago
Quoting 'fionabee' In many cases the abuse of women either physical or emotional is hidden today and was then. No this does not happen to all and I am glad that your family did not suffer this...to the best of your knowledge. It does not change the fact that women do not have the same opportunities as men...50 years ago or today. It does not give us equal pay for equal work nor does it allow us equal advancement within the work force. Yes we have laws in place to try and address the differences but we all know that there are ways around these laws. l And Puppy? I am aware that one needs laughter and frivolity in life. However, some subjects are serious. If I am chasing people with a big stick maybe it is because they need beating with the damn stick to actually stop and think a bit. They may have life pretty good but many do not. Not all situations in life should be made light of or things never change, they just remain a joke. l Mrs Peachypear...thankyou. Unfortunatly there's little research or a lot of unknown figures on the other side due to the men being to ashamed of admitting to being a victim of violence perpetrated by women, but it is there. A recent study in Australia found that a minimum of 45% of domestic violence claims were false allegations. Unfortunatly It's become an encouraged practice by lawyer's in Family court for a woman to claim Domestic violence, as a leverage point even if it did not happen. Unfortunatly The court system does not punish/stop the women that falsely claim domestic violence and discourage this practice. Wich them make's it harder for the true victems, who really should be supported. Agreed! We do need to Chase some people with a big stick, Maybe some politician's, Lawyer's that encourage bad practice and the such time for a true equality.
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15 years ago
from equality of the sexes and confusion among males as to their roles (as defined by single women no less) to biodiesel and anal sex (ffs lol) and now the abuse of women (and men it seems)....why is it that we cannot stay 'on-topic'?
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15 years ago
I assumed this was a joke, although it's VERY funny how conservative the forums seem to be given what the site is for
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15 years ago
Quoting 'getroxoff'I assumed this was a joke, although it's VERY funny how conservative the forums seem to be given what the site is for Therefore it is assumed that a forum on an adult site would discuss anything and everything that is of interest to adults. Many are here for the forums and the friendship and not the sex.
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15 years ago
If there was no inequality in the incomes of men and women then the top 20% of workers would have equal numbers of men and women. In 2005 - 2006 this top 20% held only a mere 11% of women and yet women are over represented in the lower income bracket. Is it fair then to point out two companies where this is not so or one friend who is supportd by his wife? l Admittedly the percentage of women in management has actually risen from 28% in 2002 to 29.8% in 2008. Just one third of positions held by women. l In Australia there are 550,000 one parent families. 86% of these are women. This means that they are a greater percentage of the part time, casual workforce and unskilled labour as these jobs can be fitted in and around family responsibilities. In a lot of cases having a career break to have children can mean missing out on vital changes in industry and possibly starting all over again from the bottom of the ladder. l Men and women have totally different styles of negotiating and this means that women also tend to miss out when it comes to workplace bargaining for terms and conditions. l In order to address the problems associated with gender equity, the government has set up a special office. They have identified that women continue to experience systematic disadvantage and under-representation more so than men. This impacts on thier:- - ability to participate in the work force due to time spent voluntarily looking after family - long term economic and financial security - personal safety and freedom from violence - health and well being - influence in decision making processes on issues that affect them l Housing is a large household budget item. Anti discrimination laws make discrimination illegal and yet some groups such as single mothers and aboriginal women find it more difficult to find rental accommodation. Areas with cheap housing have less transport and medical facilities and less job opportunities. This in turn leads to poor social and economic outcomes for women. l More women than men live on or below the poverty line through lack of education brought about through caring for family members.Lower earnings also affect thier ability to study and pay for education. Even when they do complete thier education, womens earnings are, on average, less than mens although today many women manage to balance work, study and family commitments to obtain post graduate education. l The lower incomes can be attributed to several reasons :- - fractured participation in the workforce as time is taken for having children - higher rate of part time and casual work - female dominated roles are lowerpaid and undervalued - reduced opportunites to develop skills and build assets such as superannuation. l Single women heading thier households are overrepresented in the lower socio-economic groups. Teenaged mothers are at a greater risk of life time poverty than any other sector. l Now on to two other elevant points that no one seems to feel needs to be mentioned here again. l Slave trade for the sex industry In June 2006 a man was convicted in Melbourne for keeping five Thai women who had been sold into the sex trade. The same day a Sydney couple appeared in court also on charges of holding Thai women against thier will and forcing them to work in a brothel. Not only does this violate basic human rights but it also leads me to ask the question.... "What sort of society do we live in? Where are our morals and ethics? But hey if it feels good....do it ... Right? Who are we to judge others..... Right? www.antislavery.org.au l Australians are the biggest group of child sex offenders arrested and prosecuted in Thailand. 1.8 million children are sold for sex every year. Many as young as eight often service up to ten men a day. Most Australians think the price of petrol is a greater concern than the child sex trade. Herald Sun 14th September, 2009. l The cruelest cut of them all. Female circumsision has been illegal in Australia since the 1990's but in May 2010, Doctors were considering performing a less extreme type of circumsision to try and stop the girls from having this surgery performed by people with no medical background in unsanitory conditions. Melbourne Royal Women's Hospital see 600 to 700 women each year that have been circumsized and children are being brought in who have had this procedure done in back streets with complications. l l Yes we live in a great country and women are treated failry...so long as they are middle to higher income brackets. l All of this information is freely available on the internet within a few minutes of searching. It all comes from reliable sources. I dont think that the ABS is entering false stats....yet.
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15 years ago
...and trying to figure out how to get better mileage whilst reducing air pollution. Carbon credits are just a bonus that we can sell on market. | Shallow I know...but I haven't had a good day. I was just on that stupid "Cooking with Nigella" site and there was a hot chick on there whose profile showed her making a creme brule' so I sent her a note, very politely mind you, saying "Damn...your ass is as hot as Meeka's". | I got this note back... "What the fuck is a 'Meeka' and you are a total fucking pervert". | I couldn't explain what a "Meeka" was but told her she got the last part right. | So there's an example of women's right and a woman being right.
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15 years ago
Quoting 'mikeandshel'hell yea. men should be doing at least half. not sitting on the couch demanding beer n sex. we share everything, and have to say, that we have the best relationship.........have done the old fashioned one.... ends in tears
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15 years ago
Same as it is better if I can cook a gorgeous meal . Taste can be extremely sensual and an interest in the pleasure of flavour and texture is to me an extension of a person's sensuality. Laundry is just a perk.
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15 years ago
in our house, in our kitchen, we share the duties. we have no time for bickering and arguing about who does what, as we figured right from the beginning that a 'partnership' requires input from us both. there are no defined roles as we both do an equal share of what has to be done. we blur the the lines in new ways every day. we dont care what others do in the privacy of their homes, and, unlike others posting here, dont feel the need to sermonize every time we respond to a posted topic, we most certainly dont have 'super-egos' to feed. what has been written here, by some, has been truly entertaining, but others have just gone on and on and on, and round and round and round, about everything except the subject at hand...it would be sensational if we could have a discussion without having to take the most circuitous route that we can find while we do so. Stay on track if we can, and not let the rush of passion, or sugar, take us on deviations that tend to suggest a touch of ADHD or even GTS might have invaded the room, or post, or whatever.these long winded and loquacious posts might do something for the writer, but for the reader, well us any ways, its just dross. we dont even read it. we think it would have been better if some of these over-opinionated and narcissistic people learned the art of quiet. try being inconspicuous for a while and making your posts just a bit less loquacious, and perhaps curb the passion a little. theres no real need for the blood rush every time you have an opinion to share (read 'ram down our throats') as not all of us need your advice and guidance, as we are, some of us anyway, doing quite well without you, and really dont need assistance. especially not from those with 'blinkered' points of view. a 'deal' would be for you to live your lives quietly please, and respectfully, and we'll do the same. i do stop to ponder though, just what it would feel like to allow myself to ramble, as ramble i can do, and what it would be like to actually spend a few minutes to compose a rebuttal or counterpoint, but hey, those times are passed, and the education of others is something that i choose to no longer waste my energies upon.......... oh look its 530 am, its time for the paper and a coffee..... maybe theres something real happening some where in the world......adios children..
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15 years ago
Quoting 'fionabee' l l Housing is a large household budget item. Anti discrimination laws make discrimination illegal and yet some groups such as single mothers and aboriginal women find it more difficult to find rental accommodation. Areas with cheap housing have less transport and medical facilities and less job opportunities. This in turn leads to poor social and economic outcomes for women. l l l Slave trade for the sex industry In June 2006 a man was convicted in Melbourne for keeping five Thai women who had been sold into the sex trade. The same day a Sydney couple appeared in court also on charges of holding Thai women against thier will and forcing them to work in a brothel. Not only does this violate basic human rights but it also leads me to ask the question.... "What sort of society do we live in? Where are our morals and ethics? But hey if it feels good....do it ... Right? Who are we to judge others..... Right? www.antislavery.org.au > I think that just putting up one example of sex slavery is wrong...alot of women are found guilty and charged all over the world with the same charges....not just men! And not only women are trafficked for slavery....many men the world over are too! < The cruelest cut of them all. Female circumsision has been illegal in Australia since the 1990's but in May 2010, Doctors were considering performing a less extreme type of circumsision to try and stop the girls from having this surgery performed by people with no medical background in unsanitory conditions. Melbourne Royal Women's Hospital see 600 to 700 women each year that have been circumsized and children are being brought in who have had this procedure done in back streets with complications. l This is more Cultural .....it is in almost all cases the Mothers or female relative that performs this "operation"! It is still Illegal...so you can't blame the Law against women for that one! My daughter has 2 friends that are forced to marry ... both are Muslim families and yes, they live here in Australia! One girl is moving to Lebanon but luckily she fell in love with him while she went to meet him over there with her family! But unfortunately she has no education now as she left school at Year 9 to go and meet him...and who took her over? The Mother and a handful of Aunts. Her Father wanted her to stay in Australia and continue her Education..but..had no final say in it! My daughters other friend however does not want to marry the guy picked out for her and neither does he want to marry her...they both live here in Australia! But when they informed their parents of this..who were the ones that gave them no choice about this? The MOTHERS! She was kicked out of the family home, by..her mother! The Father was on his daughters side...but had no say in the matter as the Mother would not listen! The wedding is this year.... I have read this whole post every day since it started and although there have been some good points...to try and make out that women are "victims" all the time is wrong! Men suffer too...they just suffer in silence.... xFunlovingx
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15 years ago
I am not saying it is only men. I am just pointing out that it does happen. The neandethal part was actually in response to a reply by someome saying they found the neandethal approach down right sexy. It is just that several men took offense at being called a neanderthal. Well considering I never once siad them in particular........if the cap fits........... l Some people on this site appear to think that we have done more than enough already to address these issues and that it is easy for women to get ahead. But then I also know people who donate heaps of money to save children overseas when children are living in Poverty right in thier own backyard. One example of the sex trade? I put up merely the first two that I found in my seach and yes, men are trafficked as well...just not as often. l What Law against women do you allude to? I know of no such law. In fact, this country is trying its damndest to make laws that STOP this from happening...but when it gets swept aside by people who make light of these very real problems, how can we all make any progress? After all, it is just a joke, all in fun...Right? I am aware that women perpetrate these atrocities along side men. It really does not matter, man or woman.....middle eastern or caucasian......it still exists and in Australia, the land of the fair and just, where women have equality..... l IT SHOUlD NOT!l l l Now, go for it. Run me down, pick these comments apart all you like. I am done!
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15 years ago
Quoting 'fionabee' I am not saying it is only men. I am just pointing out that it does happen. The neandethal part was actually in response to a reply by someome saying they found the neandethal approach down right sexy. It is just that several men took offense at being called a neanderthal. Well considering I never once siad them in particular........if the cap fits........... l Some people on this site appear to think that we have done more than enough already to address these issues and that it is easy for women to get ahead. But then I also know people who donate heaps of money to save children overseas when children are living in Poverty right in thier own backyard. One example of the sex trade? I put up merely the first two that I found in my seach and yes, men are trafficked as well...just not as often. l What Law against women do you allude to? I know of no such law. In fact, this country is trying its damndest to make laws that STOP this from happening...but when it gets swept aside by people who make light of these very real problems, how can we all make any progress? After all, it is just a joke, all in fun...Right? I am aware that women perpetrate these atrocities along side men. It really does not matter, man or woman.....middle eastern or caucasian......it still exists and in Australia, the land of the fair and just, where women have equality..... l IT SHOUlD NOT!l l l Now, go for it. Run me down, pick these comments apart all you like. I am done! Nothing to pick...I just wanted to make sure that you were aware that women are guilty of these crimes as well. I honestly think that if people come here from another Country .. to the land of "free"...then they should live our way and not what they are running away from. My Grandparents lived over here for over 60 years...and still could not speak English up to the day they passed away...I don't think that is right as they came here for a better life than what they had in Italy..neither do I agree that they MADE my mother marry my father....that was a marriage full of abuse and shit..but, my mother could never leave him as it wasn't in their "culture"! I say fuck Culture..especially if you have left your Country to come here for a better life! xFunlovingx
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15 years ago
I could not agree more and love a well prepared meal....the aromas, the little bits you get to tasted as it cooking, then all those flavours and textutres that clash and compliment. Even better if the one cooking it happens to be attractive and let's me lick her fingers when she is making a creme brule'. | Quoting 'irresponsibility' Laundry is just a perk. | Now then young lady...what you are wearing look like they should be hand washed gently and that bow carefully re-tied? Of course there are times when the urge to be like a kid at Christmas might be just too much to resist so we might have to go shopping... | ...and have a bistro lunch of course!
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15 years ago
Quoting 'stalky'Jeano. Fiona has obviously based her assumptions on the average wage paid to women... v's the average wage paid to men and the she has concluded that all red herring are fish and therefore all fish are red herrings.HugsStalkyI sincerely doubt that it is that simplistic Stalky. I am sure her response will be not only relevant but include real-life examples.
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15 years ago
With looks like you and attatude toward what genders should do (ROLES THERE IS NO CONSIOSION THEN) thing would be all good in your house COME ON BLOKE WHY HASNT SHE BEEN SNAPPED UP
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15 years ago
why hasnt who been snapped up?
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15 years ago
i thought the land of the 'free' was America? u know, where they hang Negroes and commies hide under the bed and they chase Mexicans back over the border by the thousands? the impression i got was that this was the 'lucky country', where governments stole indigenous children, jailed asylum seekers and celebrated murderers who wore steel buckets on their heads?
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15 years ago
Quoting 'MrsPeachypear63'Oh and Fionabee & Fun... in case you wonder why... It's great to see y'all talking to each other rather than at or about each other.Have a great day! I plan to!!!:-Deb Sorry Deb hun...but, that statement has completely lost me! xFunlovingx
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15 years ago
what a load of bollocks, why are three quarters of the world's chef's male? I have always cooked and I love it, I get to cook what I like to eat, and if others dont like it, there is always pizza hut lo! Whenever I have been out and I have cooked, or had friends over, and I have cooked, it is amusing when the women present comment on how they wish their men would cook. I am also in to such things as souffles, exotic entrees, and desserts, and I was always popular in the office full of girls where I worked for a while, as I could solve their cooking woes.
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15 years ago
We should be happy that we live in a country where women have the potential to be anything they want to be. The only thing holding us back is ourselves.The only thing wrong about a guy doing the cooking is when the girl is better at it. By the way Brae, what do you think of a woman who can drive a race car and handle the tools when it comes time to modify or fix it?
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15 years ago
Quoting 'mikeandshel'in our house, in our kitchen, we share the duties. we have no time for bickering and arguing about who does what, as we figured right from the beginning that a 'partnership' requires input from us both. there are no defined roles as we both do an equal share of what has to be done. we blur the the lines in new ways every day. we dont care what others do in the privacy of their homes, and, unlike others posting here, dont feel the need to sermonize every time we respond to a posted topic, we most certainly dont have 'super-egos' to feed. what has been written here, by some, has been truly entertaining, but others have just gone on and on and on, and round and round and round, about everything except the subject at hand...it would be sensational if we could have a discussion without having to take the most circuitous route that we can find while we do so. Stay on track if we can, and not let the rush of passion, or sugar, take us on deviations that tend to suggest a touch of ADHD or even GTS might have invaded the room, or post, or whatever.these long winded and loquacious posts might do something for the writer, but for the reader, well us any ways, its just dross. we dont even read it. we think it would have been better if some of these over-opinionated and narcissistic people learned the art of quiet. try being inconspicuous for a while and making your posts just a bit less loquacious, and perhaps curb the passion a little. theres no real need for the blood rush every time you have an opinion to share (read 'ram down our throats') as not all of us need your advice and guidance, as we are, some of us anyway, doing quite well without you, and really dont need assistance. especially not from those with 'blinkered' points of view. a 'deal' would be for you to live your lives quietly please, and respectfully, and we'll do the same. i do stop to ponder though, just what it would feel like to allow myself to ramble, as ramble i can do, and what it would be like to actually spend a few minutes to compose a rebuttal or counterpoint, but hey, those times are passed, and the education of others is something that i choose to no longer waste my energies upon.......... oh look its 530 am, its time for the paper and a coffee..... maybe theres something real happening some where in the world......adios children.. You control the mouse, if you dont want to know what others think...click off the topic. Dont keep coming back. Too easy Oh and I did quote inserts from the newspaper.....so what I am talking about here may just be real.
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15 years ago
Quoting 'Jean_Girard' Quoting 'stalky'Jeano. Fiona has obviously based her assumptions on the average wage paid to women... v's the average wage paid to men and the she has concluded that all red herring are fish and therefore all fish are red herrings.HugsStalkyI sincerely doubt that it is that simplistic Stalky. I am sure her response will be not only relevant but include real-life examples. Nothing about me is simplistic. You did ask for examples and stats.
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15 years ago
Quoting 'fionabee' Quoting 'mikeandshel'in our house, in our kitchen, we share the duties. we have no time for bickering and arguing about who does what, as we figured right from the beginning that a 'partnership' requires input from us both. there are no defined roles as we both do an equal share of what has to be done. we blur the the lines in new ways every day. we dont care what others do in the privacy of their homes, and, unlike others posting here, dont feel the need to sermonize every time we respond to a posted topic, we most certainly dont have 'super-egos' to feed. what has been written here, by some, has been truly entertaining, but others have just gone on and on and on, and round and round and round, about everything except the subject at hand...it would be sensational if we could have a discussion without having to take the most circuitous route that we can find while we do so. Stay on track if we can, and not let the rush of passion, or sugar, take us on deviations that tend to suggest a touch of ADHD or even GTS might have invaded the room, or post, or whatever.these long winded and loquacious posts might do something for the writer, but for the reader, well us any ways, its just dross. we dont even read it. we think it would have been better if some of these over-opinionated and narcissistic people learned the art of quiet. try being inconspicuous for a while and making your posts just a bit less loquacious, and perhaps curb the passion a little. theres no real need for the blood rush every time you have an opinion to share (read 'ram down our throats') as not all of us need your advice and guidance, as we are, some of us anyway, doing quite well without you, and really dont need assistance. especially not from those with 'blinkered' points of view. a 'deal' would be for you to live your lives quietly please, and respectfully, and we'll do the same. i do stop to ponder though, just what it would feel like to allow myself to ramble, as ramble i can do, and what it would be like to actually spend a few minutes to compose a rebuttal or counterpoint, but hey, those times are passed, and the education of others is something that i choose to no longer waste my energies upon.......... oh look its 530 am, its time for the paper and a coffee..... maybe theres something real happening some where in the world......adios children.. You control the mouse, if you dont want to know what others think...click off the topic. Dont keep coming back. Too easy Oh and I did quote inserts from the newspaper.....so what I am talking about here may just be real. seems to be the colors you were painted with. read my words. slowly if it helps. your opinions mean nothing when they are shoved down our throats. say it once, and say it politely.or dont say it at all..... at no point are you 'better' or more 'well informed' than anyone here, you are just the most verbose and belligerent voice, and tend to steer the forums to the topics you wish to berate us all with. if anyone disagrees you go on the attack. rudely and aggressively, then, when you get blown over, hide behind claims of 'personal' attacks and feeling you have the need to 'protect' yourself. you are a 'social narcissist' in that you use every ploy that you can to turn the attention towards yourself and then cry 'foul' when someone expresses displeasure. like i said earlier. if you wish to have equality, behave like an adult, and try to be quite a bit more understanding of others points of view, we are not all of the same blinkered and hackneyed opionions that you are. and no...just because you cut and paste from other sites doesn't make it real, any more than it would if you read it in a take 5 magazine. don't pass other peoples work off as your own, that's neither intelligent nor moral. as an educator you should know that. or are you? and do you? methinks not.
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15 years ago
If he works 5 days a week and has to put in 50 or 60 hours in the office/factory/farm while you work part time then cook his fucking dinner, look after him and stop complaining unless you are doing the same. If he is unemployed while you hold down a job he should cook, clean etc... Its not about roles its about surviving the hectic life style that keeps us far busier than our parents ever were just to pay the mortgage. So do what it takes to have a balanced and happy life as a couple.... If you are single get a man/woman to share the load, it’s a lot easier as 2 as opposed to 1.
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15 years ago
... ok not belittling the bad shit that happens out there but this really is over-sensalisation (spelling?) Fi you're a master of using killer-punch headline grabbing stuff to get your point across. Yep bad shit happens..to men (maybe having guns put in their hands as kids to go help the drug trade) to women, kids, old people, poor people etc etc etc so no one cares about the poor damn rich people being overtaxed to support all these others that we just know they don't care about!!! ..............Fi I do appreciate you may come from a place where this is all close to home but that fact in its self should make an intelligent woman like you take a step back and not let personal experience dominate your opinions of the whole rest of the world. I have a close friend who was dumped by his mother, abused by foster carers, in and out of boys homes...ie his whole childhood was abysmal. What's he like now? Well he's a happily married man with the most lovely kids, he is the kindest most positive person I have ever met. I am in awe of him. He has attained the success in life we all wish we had....ie he is completely happy (oh and he's not on the greatest income and works way too many night shifts). Point? Bad shit happens to good people and really all these silly statistics prove absolutely nothing....Quoting 'fionabee'... my 2c on some of this... If there was no inequality in the incomes of men and women then the top 20% of workers would have equal numbers of men and women. ... bollocks!!! OK accept the figures but they don't explain WHY. Is it a conspiracy or is it that a greater percentage of women have other life goals than committing every waking hour to climb some corporate ladder. YES this is a curse that men have more than women. ALSO women HAVE to take a break to spit out a baby or two (of course if they choose and thank god they do or we wouldn't have a Humanity to speak about!) Not too many men that get half way through their career and decide to leave and backpack around the world for a couple of years will get back into the top 20% either. My wife is in one of the highest earning professions (talking top 2% here) but she will not earn anywhere near what her male counterparts will..why? She's as good if not better at the nuts and bolts of her profession but she has other goals that are more important. At least she's still working as many of her female colleagues who have taken up very scarce places in tertiary education have chosen to only dabble in the work life and are off having babies by the bucket load...this is a huge drain on our society as there is a chronic need for their skills which require specific training only available to a few a year. So womens rights have lead to a skills shortage.....so should these womens choice involve a contract to NOT have babies? In 2005 - 2006 this top 20% held only a mere 11% of women and yet women are over represented in the lower income bracket. ... I work with women who I respect and appreciate to no end but they are in support roles and yes I earn buckets more than them BUT they are happy as they get to pick and chose when and where they work..they give up the dollar amount for the flexibility. Is it fair then to point out two companies where this is not so or one friend who is supportd by his wife? l Admittedly the percentage of women in management has actually risen from 28% in 2002 to 29.8% in 2008. Just one third of positions held by women. ... my god 1/3!!!!!! 1/3 of women are NOT having babies then, statistically speaking that is...well do we want 1/2 of women not to have babies l In Australia there are 550,000 one parent families. 86% of these are women. This means that they are a greater percentage of the part time, casual workforce and unskilled labour as these jobs can be fitted in and around family responsibilities. In a lot of cases having a career break to have children can mean missing out on vital changes in industry and possibly starting all over again from the bottom of the ladder.... yes this is a hard slog...my mother gave everything to bring me up but she wouldn't change a thing..she definitely wouldn't have even considered giving me to my father to bring up so she could pursue a career. I'd dare to guess most women would be in the same boat....so it's a CHOICE, they also have a choice to get rid of that annoying foetus too...I for one am glad my mum didn't. l Men and women have totally different styles of negotiating and this means that women also tend to miss out when it comes to workplace bargaining for terms and conditions. l In order to address the problems associated with gender equity, the government has set up a special office. ... oh my, another committee full of useless do gooders padding their own bank balances and coming up with sweet fuck all! They have identified that women continue to experience systematic disadvantage and under-representation more so than men. This impacts on thier:- - ability to participate in the work force due to time spent voluntarily ... really? is it's their choice? OK Fi give us the answers..how do we change this? Should these silly women who voluntarily choose family over work be flogged? looking after family - long term economic and financial security - personal safety and freedom from violence - health and well being - influence in decision making processes on issues that affect them l Housing is a large household budget item. Anti discrimination laws make discrimination illegal and yet some groups such as single mothers and aboriginal women find it more difficult to find rental accommodation. Areas with cheap housing have less transport and medical facilities and less job opportunities. This in turn leads to poor social and economic outcomes for women.... and no men live in these areas? l More women than men live on or below the poverty line through lack of education brought about through caring for family members... and? solutions please? It seems like it's all the fault of reproduction...sterilisation for the poor maybe??? .Lower earnings also affect thier ability to study and pay for education. Even when they do complete thier education, womens earnings are, on average, less than mens although today many women manage to balance work, study and family commitments to obtain post graduate education.... if a man is giving 100% to work and a woman is "balancing" other life goals then doesn't it make 1000% sense that she will earn less for her work component?????????? Oh I intend to balance work and kids too which will mean I will earn less than average and i'm a man goddamn it...so who is going to support me in the way I deserve eh? l The lower incomes can be attributed to several reasons :- - fractured participation in the workforce as time is taken for having children - higher rate of part time and casual work - female dominated roles are lowerpaid and undervalued - reduced opportunites to develop skills and build assets such as superannuation. l Single women heading thier households are overrepresented in the lower socio-economic groups.... again give us the solution...should we pay single mothers $100,000 for every child they have and tax single men 80c in the dollar to pay for it? Sorry if you can't afford to have kids and you want to make work a priority...then DONT GET PREGNANT!!!!! Mrs Pup is waaaay more mild mannered than I but even she is pissed that she delayed having children (Not that fuckin hard to do) to pursue her career and now she's having a hard time conceiving..dontcha think she's pissed when she drives past the housing commish and sees all the 16yo girls pushing their quad prams up to the cafe to have a coffee and a ciggie!!!! Teenaged mothers are at a greater risk of life time poverty than any other sector....aging female execs are at a greater risk of being bitter at teenage mothers too! l Now on to two other elevant points that no one seems to feel needs to be mentioned here again. l Slave trade for the sex industry...WTF this is real Today Tonight stuff and so completely irrelevant to who's cooking dinner!!! In June 2006 a man was convicted in Melbourne for keeping five Thai women who had been sold into the sex trade. The same day a Sydney couple appeared in court also on charges of holding Thai women against thier will and forcing them to work in a brothel. Not only does this violate basic human rights but it also leads me to ask the question.... "What sort of society do we live in? Where are our morals and ethics? But hey if it feels good....do it ... Right? Who are we to judge others..... Right? www.antislavery.org.au l Australians are the biggest group of child sex offenders arrested and prosecuted in Thailand. 1.8 million children are sold for sex every year. Many as young as eight often service up to ten men a day. Most Australians think the price of petrol is a greater concern than the child sex trade. Herald Sun 14th September, 2009. l The cruelest cut of them all....and now we're onto ACA Female circumsision has been illegal in Australia since the 1990's but in May 2010, Doctors were considering performing a less extreme type of circumsision to try and stop the girls from having this surgery performed by people with no medical background in unsanitory conditions....again nothing to do with topic and sensationalisation at it's finest. Yep it's disgusting but if we look at statistics then I guess that most of this has a religious base so does this mean we bring back the white australia policy too? Melbourne Royal Women's Hospital see 600 to 700 women each year that have been circumsized and children are being brought in who have had this procedure done in back streets with complications. l l Yes we live in a great country and women are treated failry...so long as they are middle to higher income brackets....fact of life for both men and women. l All of this information is freely available on the internet ...along with anti-immunisation garbage (with stats) and so much other bullshit within a few minutes of searching. It all comes from reliable sources. I dont think that the ABS is entering false stats....yet.... stats never lie but the people reading them do!!!Fi I'm sorry in advance if anything I've said is overly offensive to you, I don't mean it to be but I do have a differing of opinion to you, well actually at the core of it all I agree with your ethics and morals but I don't agree with your conclusions. Women are being badgered into feeling like they are failures if they don't perform exactly like a man. This is a shame as we should celebrate the sexes for their uniqueness and their unique and differing strengths.
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15 years ago
Quoting 'fionabee' Quoting 'Jean_Girard' I sincerely doubt that it is that simplistic Stalky. I am sure her response will be not only relevant but include real-life examples. Nothing about me is simplistic. You did ask for examples. And I look forward to them but won't hold my breath ay?
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15 years ago
Quoting 'mikeandshel' Quoting 'fionabee' Quoting 'mikeandshel' seems to be the colors you were painted with. read my words. slowly if it helps. your opinions mean nothing when they are shoved down our throats. say it once, and say it politely.or dont say it at all..... at no point are you 'better' or more 'well informed' than anyone here, you are just the most verbose and belligerent voice, and tend to steer the forums to the topics you wish to berate us all with. if anyone disagrees you go on the attack. rudely and aggressively, then, when you get blown over, hide behind claims of 'personal' attacks and feeling you have the need to 'protect' yourself. you are a 'social narcissist' in that you use every ploy that you can to turn the attention towards yourself and then cry 'foul' when someone expresses displeasure. like i said earlier. if you wish to have equality, behave like an adult, and try to be quite a bit more understanding of others points of view, we are not all of the same blinkered and hackneyed opionions that you are. and no...just because you cut and paste from other sites doesn't make it real, any more than it would if you read it in a take 5 magazine. don't pass other peoples work off as your own, that's neither intelligent nor moral. as an educator you should know that. or are you? and do you? methinks not. Nowhere have I said that I am better nor more well informed than anyone else, least of all you. You tell me to act like an adult and yet think it is okay to berate as above? I did not cut and paste nor pass aything off as my own and have referenced everything from the sites used, as is moral, ethical and legal. JG wanted facts, he wanted real examples and those I gave him. What, pray tell is childish about pointing out the obvious? If you DONT like a topic why follow it and make several comments? Is it not just easier to click on the "stop following this topic" button? Now, I think I have been more than understanding. I have not verbally attacked anyone, as you have. Nor have I deliberately run anybody down...personally, as you have. I dont consider sites like the Australian bureau of Statistics and Herald Sun to be "hackneyed" and on par with "Take Five" Where have I been rude? Yes I do state my opinions forceably. Please do not mistake this for belligerence. This is a topic I obviously feel passionate about. I do indeed feel very sorry for those that never experience passion. What blinkered and hackneyed opinions have I expressed? Are you denying that these atrocities exist in Australia? Social narcissist? Every ploy to turn all the attention to myself? I think you are somewhat misguided here. Maybe you like to practise amateur psychology when not reading the paper and congratulating yourself on your openmindedness. l Stick to the topic and stop with the personal affront.
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15 years ago
applauds mikeandshel
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15 years ago
Quoting 'puppy' ... The red bits . Yep read my mind...
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15 years ago
Quoting 'Jean_Girard' And I look forward to them but won't hold my breath ay? Yes, some people should hold your breathe for as long as they can! The Feds have a plan to tax carbon monoxide.... and.. statistically, women speak 12000 words a day... whereas men only speak 7500 words.... so that bloody Wranga is disadvantaging women!! It's a vicious conspiracy I'm certain of it now! *runs off to fashion himself a tin foil hat*HUgsStalky
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15 years ago
Quoting 'Jean_Girard' Yep read my mind... RED my mind too.HugsS
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15 years ago
see the red bits ? see the people echoing what was written? see the points other have? see how far off topic you went? obviously i am not the only one who felt the way i did, i was just the one who spoke out early and earnt your ire for daring to disagree. you are rude. you are arrogant. you are ignorant. and best of all. you are wrong.
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15 years ago
No. I can not, nor will I ever, sit idly by while intelligent people try and set society back so far, even in jest. I will always come out and stick up for the underdog. Children, women and men alike. Some things, for me, are too important for jest. I guess it is the same as the topic on marriage a few months ago when the married couples got all upset as well. l I did point out that women do not make it to the top as they have career breaks for family reasons. l How do we change these differences? Acknowledging that there are differences to begin with and not making light of them. As Stalky pointed out, we have been battling these injustices for over one hundred years. By saying every woman in Australia has the same chances as men is wrong. By saying they all have equal opportunities is wrong. How can you reach your full potential if you do not know how? If every day is a struggle to put food in you childrens mouths and a roof over thier heads? These young girls who live in commission houses and go up to the cafe every day? Where is this because anyone I know on a parenting payment does it tough. l By saying that women should know thier place and they should be traditional wives and mothers at home is wrong. l Not all single women are single by choice. Please remember that the woman who has left her husband, or maybe he has walked out on her for a younger model and has four or five kids. She is now single. Her husband does not have the tie of children. (NOT ALL) I know, many men do contribute to the welfare of thier children but it is not as easy as people seem to think for these women. The day to day responsibility is thiers. What happens to these kids when it is school holidays? Holiday programs only cater to kids at primary age. I am sure that it is not really the womans choice to work in low paid unskilled work in order to have the flexibility they need. l Slaves and female circumsicion is in response to the fact that several people seem to think that women in Australia have an easy time of it, they are all equal....just making a point ll No Pup you have not offended me at all. Not one single person on here has. The original topic was not even about cooking dinner. It was about equality and women being kept in thier places. Yes I actually do agree with you about women being badgered to outperform on all fronts. But at the heart of it all is my unmistakeable core belief that...... l It should be OUR decision, discussed with our partners but not solely the decision of our husband or society. l and that is bascally what started it all. The idea that a man should have the right to dictate that his wife stays home, to me is an outrage. That life was great and wonderful when that was the way things were. Because men were not confused about thier place in life ...back then... Even the women who say they think it would be wonderful to be a stay at home mum and have the man take care of it all. It is wonderful yes.....so long as it is YOUR choice and not that of an outdated society opinion. l Why do brides get married in white? Dont all kitchen appliances come in white? l For the record...I love my job. I get to stay home with the kids...every day.
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15 years ago
Quoting 'dontgothere'Leave all the equality argument for the afterglow when we start fighting over who's turn it is to make brekky Lolz... I'm sure Brae remembers a thread just like this one.. and he's just sitting back watching his innocent little rant implode into a life of its own. He has a point that wasn't lost on me... that people choose to live defined roles because it is easier than trying to work out the politics. It was never a gender issue really. The same goes for two gay guys in a relationship.. or two women.... or even three flatmates. How the matter digressed to female circumcision is beyond me.... but if it is a question of choice, it would be my position statement that mandatory circumcision is wrong, regardless of gender. I don't hear people being outraged about it on here, but it's just as outrageous to cut off a little guy's dick skin in my opinion.You're right, none of this discussion is sexy and choosing the battlefield.. hell, there are forums specifically tailored for all this stuff. If people here want to have fun with the topic, I say go for it... and if other people are feeling precious about it, tough titties.HugsStalky
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15 years ago
So right there Stalky. I think that is an outrage as well. Why does it need to be sexy...oh and my titties are not tough thankyou. How are yours?
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15 years ago
Quoting 'fionabee' No. I can not, nor will I ever, sit idly by while intelligent people try and set society back so far, even in jest. I will always come out and stick up for the underdog.....jeez these days the middle class hard working married couple is the damn underdog...don't see anyone sticking up for them Children, women and men alike. Some things, for me, are too important for jest. I guess it is the same as the topic on marriage a few months ago when the married couples got all upset as well....hmmm my faded memory seems to think you had absolutely no time for marriage..but mow you have all the time for single mothers..weeeeelll if they were in successful marriages maybe they'd have the support they need? Of course things don't always go to plan but these are the choices and chances we take l I did point out that women do not make it to the top as they have career breaks for family reasons....YES and isn't this acceptable? Everyone makes choices about what is important to them! l How do we change these differences? ... why do WE have to change them? Again, you want equality..if a man chooses to look after the kids does he deserve the same income as someone who doesn't and has more time for his/her work? Acknowledging that there are differences to begin with and not making light of them. As Stalky pointed out, we have been battling these injustices for over one hundred years. By saying every woman in Australia has the same chances as men is wrong.... sorry this is wrong!!! We all have choices. Woman have the choice to have a baby, many make this choice even though they know their partner is not a keeper...so should we be expected to take up the slack of their bad choice (sure a generalisation but dont we all see it around us?) By saying they all have equal opportunities is wrong. ...bollocks...everyone can go to school, everyone can perform to the best they can and if that is good enough they can go to uni then if they excel they can climb the corporate ladder - men and women alike. How can you reach your full potential if you do not know how? ...same for men and women..disadvantaged PEOPLE have less of a chance no matter what sex they are If every day is a struggle to put food in you childrens mouths and a roof over thier heads? These young girls who live in commission houses and go up to the cafe every day? Where is this because anyone I know on a parenting payment does it tough.... oh come on, coming from ex houso's myself I have many a distant (i keep them that way) cousin that has made a career out of having babies!!! l By saying that women should know thier place and they should be traditional wives and mothers at home is wrong.... no one is seriously saying that...dont pull the just cause card as 99% of all comedy is poking fun at serious issues l Not all single women are single by choice. Please remember that the woman who has left her husband, or maybe he has walked out on her for a younger model and has four or five kids. She is now single. Her husband does not have the tie of children. (NOT ALL) I know, many men do contribute to the welfare of thier children but it is not as easy as people seem to think for these women. The day to day responsibility is thiers. What happens to these kids when it is school holidays? Holiday programs only cater to kids at primary age. I am sure that it is not really the womans choice to work in low paid unskilled work in order to have the flexibility they need....yep tough eh? We cant always get it right but people have babies all too often to mask something missing in their relationship. These Pups have worked hard and at times we thought we might not make it through together...we have wanted kids for so long but no way would we think of trying until we were sure that we were solid together...that's our choice...so why should we be paying for others bad choices? l Slaves and female circumsicion is in response to the fact that several people seem to think that women in Australia have an easy time of it, they are all equal....just making a point...no point here... we could blab on about alter boys getting the rough end of the stick too but not relevant ll No Pup you have not offended me at all....i'm genuinely glad as I know my posts could do with an edit every now and then but i never do Not one single person on here has. The original topic was not even about cooking dinner....in jest It was about equality and women being kept in thier places....it surely wasn't Yes I actually do agree with you about women being badgered to outperform on all fronts. But at the heart of it all is my unmistakeable core belief that...... l It should be OUR decision, discussed with our partners but not solely the decision of our husband or society....yep but it's not YOUR decision now as now women are FORCED by economy and by peer pressure to ditch more traditional choices...it's a matter of a good thing going too far l and that is bascally what started it all. The idea that a man should have the right to dictate... it wasn't..it was Brae (a man yes) lamenting that it's all confusing for both sexes to know what roles they are best to play..he was asking pretty open and simple questions that his wife stays home, to me is an outrage. That life was great and wonderful when that was the way things were. Because men were not confused about thier place in life ...back then... Even the women who say they think it would be wonderful to be a stay at home mum and have the man take care of it all. It is wonderful yes.....so long as it is YOUR choice and not that of an outdated society opinion. l Why do brides get married in white? Dont all kitchen appliances come in white? l For the record...I love my job. I get to stay home with the kids...every day.
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15 years ago
no it doesnt need to be 'sexy' but it certainly does need to be 'adult' ..........end of 'passionate discussions' pahleese?
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15 years ago
Ohh I often wish I could put things as humourously and eloquently as you guys often do so it's nice to hear I've got my foot out of my mouth for a change and posted well!
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15 years ago
Just watching WIFESWAP USA arghhh now Fi there's some people out there that REALLY need your help! OMG!!!
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15 years ago
I do the shopping, the cooking, the dishes and the washing. I clean the dungeon and see clients. I share house cleaning with my partner and help out in the workshop. In my spare time I do pit crew for my partner when he takes his race car to the track and maintain my own car which I am currently using for the non speed championship. I can ride a motorcycle and drive a boat. I can mend a fuse, fix a toilet, stop a tap dripping, use a multitude of power tools and numerous hand tools. I can ice skate and roller skate competently but due to hip problems can no longer do spins and jumps. I am a lady in company, a good hostess and am fantastic in bed.So Midnight and Brae - why don't you two put your frilly aprons on while I go and service your cars?
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15 years ago
Quoting 'fionabee' So right there Stalky. I think that is an outrage as well. Why does it need to be sexy...oh and my titties are not tough thankyou. How are yours? Hahaha I like that one Fiona :) Fiona you mention above that you are not a feminist - and why not? A feminist is a person who advocates women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes. I am a feminist. A lot of what you have spoken about is not solely women's issues. It is all our problem that men, women, children and animals are abused in the name of religion, for money, for sport, or for some mad man or women's pleasure or satisfaction. It is all our problem that men, women, & children still live on the poverty line in Australia. Yes it is damn hard for single parents to raised children on their own. Not commenting on the effectiveness of government programs, or DOCS, etc, but we as a society are attempting to help and assist these people in need. We as a society do not want these crimes to go unpunished nor do we want them to continue. So again maybe we are not doing this in the most effective way but we are trying. I think we would all agree on this. And yes it is terrible that these things, like female circumcision & sex slavery, still happens in Australia. Sadly they probably always will in some way or another. I agree on your points concerning women in the workforce, equal opportunities and equal pay. However how can we get around this as you say - women have the most important job of all and that is to have children. No getting around that. Personally I don't think the corporate ladder is all its cracked up to be really. Although I am sure you are not saying this - but it sometimes seems that you are blaming men for all of this? And yes statistics may say that the majority of the perpetrators of abuse and violence are men (No Stalky I didn't look that up so could be bollocks - but I do watch CSI :P). However, these men are only a very small proportion of all the good men out there. As for the past well okay Jean_Girard, many women may not have been abused in the 50's but I think they may have been a lot of women on valium and drinking vodka all day in an effort to dull their boredom. Women were expected to live a pre-determined life and they had no real options to change this. Of course men too where button holed into pre-determined roles. I wonder how many Mr & Mrs Cleavers where swinging back then? Meeka
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15 years ago
Quoting 'puppy' Quoting 'fionabee' No. I can not, nor will I ever, sit idly by while intelligent people try and set society back so far, even in jest. I will always come out and stick up for the underdog.....jeez these days the middle class hard working married couple is the damn underdog...don't see anyone sticking up for them Children, women and men alike. Some things, for me, are too important for jest. I guess it is the same as the topic on marriage a few months ago when the married couples got all upset as well....hmmm my faded memory seems to think you had absolutely no time for marriage..but mow you have all the time for single mothers..weeeeelll if they were in successful marriages maybe they'd have the support they need? Of course things don't always go to plan but these are the choices and chances we take I did point out that women do not make it to the top as they have career breaks for family reasons....YES and isn't this acceptable? Everyone makes choices about what is important to them! l How do we change these differences? ... why do WE have to change them? Again, you want equality..if a man chooses to look after the kids does he deserve the same income as someone who doesn't and has more time for his/her work? Acknowledging that there are differences to begin with and not making light of them. As Stalky pointed out, we have been battling these injustices for over one hundred years. By saying every woman in Australia has the same chances as men is wrong.... sorry this is wrong!!! We all have choices. Woman have the choice to have a baby, many make this choice even though they know their partner is not a keeper...so should we be expected to take up the slack of their bad choice (sure a generalisation but dont we all see it around us?) By saying they all have equal opportunities is wrong. ...bollocks...everyone can go to school, everyone can perform to the best they can and if that is good enough they can go to uni then if they excel they can climb the corporate ladder - men and women alike. How can you reach your full potential if you do not know how? ...same for men and women..disadvantaged PEOPLE have less of a chance no matter what sex they are If every day is a struggle to put food in you childrens mouths and a roof over thier heads? These young girls who live in commission houses and go up to the cafe every day? Where is this because anyone I know on a parenting payment does it tough.... oh come on, coming from ex houso's myself I have many a distant (i keep them that way) cousin that has made a career out of having babies!!! l By saying that women should know thier place and they should be traditional wives and mothers at home is wrong.... no one is seriously saying that...dont pull the just cause card as 99% of all comedy is poking fun at serious issues l Not all single women are single by choice. Please remember that the woman who has left her husband, or maybe he has walked out on her for a younger model and has four or five kids. She is now single. Her husband does not have the tie of children. (NOT ALL) I know, many men do contribute to the welfare of thier children but it is not as easy as people seem to think for these women. The day to day responsibility is thiers. What happens to these kids when it is school holidays? Holiday programs only cater to kids at primary age. I am sure that it is not really the womans choice to work in low paid unskilled work in order to have the flexibility they need....yep tough eh? We cant always get it right but people have babies all too often to mask something missing in their relationship. These Pups have worked hard and at times we thought we might not make it through together...we have wanted kids for so long but no way would we think of trying until we were sure that we were solid together...that's our choice...so why should we be paying for others bad choices? l Slaves and female circumsicion is in response to the fact that several people seem to think that women in Australia have an easy time of it, they are all equal....just making a point...no point here... we could blab on about alter boys getting the rough end of the stick too but not relevant ll No Pup you have not offended me at all....i'm genuinely glad as I know my posts could do with an edit every now and then but i never do Not one single person on here has. The original topic was not even about cooking dinner....in jest It was about equality and women being kept in thier places....it surely wasn't Yes I actually do agree with you about women being badgered to outperform on all fronts. But at the heart of it all is my unmistakeable core belief that...... l It should be OUR decision, discussed with our partners but not solely the decision of our husband or society....yep but it's not YOUR decision now as now women are FORCED by economy and by peer pressure to ditch more traditional choices...it's a matter of a good thing going too far l and that is bascally what started it all. The idea that a man should have the right to dictate... it wasn't..it was Brae (a man yes) lamenting that it's all confusing for both sexes to know what roles they are best to play..he was asking pretty open and simple questions that his wife stays home, to me is an outrage. That life was great and wonderful when that was the way things were. Because men were not confused about thier place in life ...back then... Even the women who say they think it would be wonderful to be a stay at home mum and have the man take care of it all. It is wonderful yes.....so long as it is YOUR choice and not that of an outdated society opinion. l Why do brides get married in white? Dont all kitchen appliances come in white? l For the record...I love my job. I get to stay home with the kids...every day. I agree with Puppy on almost every point made but long ago lost the patience required to articulate it nearly as well as he did. Thanks Puppy . I hereby nominate this piece of well-considered forum gold (IN RED, lest there be any confusion) to be the Defence's closing argument. The prosecution gave it everything they had and cross-examined every argument with the determined commitment of a dog with a bone. Hell, the Crown even got her breasts out to help add weight to her argument And really, whilst this angle of attack, if intentional, may well dilute much of her "I am woman, hear me roar" stance, I think she managed to raise plenty of good points along the way and I don't think anyone is really saying otherwise. . However, were I sitting on this jury, I'd be saying the Crown failed to prove their case beyond reasonable doubt. Basically because they failed to understand the original charge. . Puppy, you succinctly put your case across and you may even yet succeed in getting an answer to the one question I asked and was promptly rebutted on - why the bloody crusade in the first place?? . Men and women were NOT created equal, and nor should they have been. I think the RHP forum is (usually) a fantastic place to celebrate and demonstrate our differences. Why did this fact get all chewed up and lost? .. "Jokes of the proper kind, properly told, can do more to enlighten questions of politics, philosophy, and literature than any number of dull arguments." -Isaac Asimov .
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15 years ago
Quoting 'MistressT'I do the shopping, the cooking, the dishes and the washing. I clean the dungeon and see clients. I share house cleaning with my partner and help out in the workshop. In my spare time I do pit crew for my partner when he takes his race car to the track and maintain my own car which I am currently using for the non speed championship. I can ride a motorcycle and drive a boat. I can mend a fuse, fix a toilet, stop a tap dripping, use a multitude of power tools and numerous hand tools. I can ice skate and roller skate competently but due to hip problems can no longer do spins and jumps. I am a lady in company, a good hostess and am fantastic in bed. So Midnight and Brae - why don't you two put your frilly aprons on while I go and service your cars?
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15 years ago
Quoting 'MrsPeachypear63' Quoting 'flirty_bi_fem' . I hereby nominate this piece of well-considered forum gold (IN RED, lest there be any confusion) .Quoting 'MrsPeachypear63' It always makes me wonder... when the people telling us that everyone has the right to their own opinion keep on insisting ours has no merit.Party on people, haha and don't think too hard, you might hurt your little heads.Mmmmm.... kitchen bench... now that's cooking! Mrs :-P It always makes me wonder... when the people telling us that everyone has the right to their own opinion keep on insisting ours has no merit. Mrs P, my remark also applies to your own red comment above. I agree with it. I also think humour has been the true victim of this thread, as it was always going to be.
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15 years ago
Quoting 'puppy' Quoting 'fionabee' By saying that women should know thier place and they should be traditional wives and mothers at home is wrong.... no one is seriously saying that...dont pull the just cause card as 99% of all comedy is poking fun at serious issues l Hehe - Oh pupster, I think it's 97%, but it really depends on how you interpret statistics. Maybe Tracy Grimshaw can help.
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15 years ago
The reason why divorce rate is so high is because it is now widely acceptable in western countries and many people in Australia don't take marriages too seriously. I personally think people just get married and think oh if it doesn't work out ohh well i can just get a divorce. I think most couple and people in marriages in Australia give up so easily. it's like oh i don't love my husband/wife anymore or my husband/wife cheated or we argue too much or my husband/wife doesn't have sex with me anymore. let's get a divorce! what happened to sticking it out and standing by your partner through everything and working it out?? I don't think it's the roles or equality that makes divorce high. I don't think it has anything to do with roles or equality or if a woman wants their man to cook or whatever.it's that people are giving up too easily on their marriages. as soon as 1 person cheats or something it's yell divorce. every time they have a big argument its divorce. This is why i don't believe in marriages or want to get married. i personally don't believe in divorce. i believe in sticking with your partner no matter what. even if you lost love for them or if they cheated. As long as they are not physically abusing you then divorce is not the answer. too many people these days just think divorce is the answer. That is why i don't want to ever get married. it's because i don't think i would find a man/person who believes in the same thing as me as in getting a divorce is not an option. too many people just use the easy way out of divorce. Also Divorce rate is still very low in countries like India or the middle east where arranged marriages still happen. Why? because in those countries it is still very driven by religion and also very frowned upon to get a divorce not only by the family but by the culture and country in general. If you get a divorce in some countries family would still see it as shameful. btw, yes women in India and middle east have jobs and go to work and go to college and school so women do have the same opportunities as they do in Australia. it's not that the partner or couple can't get divorce but majority of people in those countries see divorce as something very bad & shameful. I assume this was how Australia and western countries used to be back in the day 100 years ago. the difference is that Australia has changed so much and some other countries like India and middle eastern countries are still the same or has evolved very little.
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15 years ago
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15 years ago
Merely for feel a boob day. Not to prove any other point. Unless you consider breast cancer just another issue that should be ignored...it does affect men and women as well. l Meeka, no it is not all men's fault. Clearly there are women who are a fault as well. l l Quoting 'Jean_Girard' Quoting 'puppy' ... The red bits . Yep read my mind... Now surely you boys are not trying to hint that when a woman will not back down or has strong feelings and opinions, it must be the wrong time of the month here? I mean that would be extremely sexist wouldnt it? I would hate to think that men, as liberated and forward thinking as you obviously are would stoop to such juvenile tactics. Oh and JG? Dont hold your breath sweetie, your face will turn an unbecoming shade of ......*gasp* ......RED weeeeelll if they were in successful marriages maybe they'd have the support they need? Of course things don't always go to plan but these are the choices and chances we take Please dont tell me you think they should have stayed in bad marriage.....regardless l We all have choices. Woman have the choice to have a baby, many make this choice even though they know their partner is not a keeper...so should we be expected to take up the slack of their bad choi ce (sure a generalisation but dont we all see it around us?) Now I would really hate to get THIS one wrong. Surely Puppy, you are not intimating that single women parents are in that position because they CHOOSE to be? It sounds very much like you are trying to say that we, as a society should not help those amongst us who find ourselves in this spot. That is it all her own fault for making a bad choice? A little judgmental and simplistic a career out of having babies!!! Really? The pension is not that great. l ...that's our choice...so why should we be paying for others bad choices? Because we live in a socialist society. We tend to help those who are less fortunate than ourselves. Maybe we should stop all pensions and welfare payouts...including the old age pension. I mean, why should we be paying because they did not save for thier retirement? .l . FBF "Why the crusade in the first place?" This s a topic about equality. Not who cooks the damn dinner or who takes out the garbage. I think I have answered this questions several times over. Obviously not clearly enough. So in the words of the men themselves....let me type this slowly so that you may understand better.... inequality in any shape or form is an injustice. If no one ever speaks up, if everyone always makes a joke about it, nothing ever changes! l You have the right to chose because, once upon a distant time....somebody spoke up. Somebody did not back down.
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15 years ago
Die thread dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeee... P.s ...Before Fiona says I dont have to be here if I dont want to..Im only mucking around..just wanted to get my tits out in the forum!! .
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15 years ago
But About a week ago, on Sunrise they had an artical/guest on as well as it being in the west australian paper I think it was, They were saying that Love and equality are a realitively recent concept or at least marrying for love is. 100years ago and maybe even more recently, most of our cultures(yes even ours being white australia) married children off for some sort of profit, political gain, or to strengthen some other bussiness tie etc etc, Children didn't get a choice to marry for love, just to do their duty for the family. Flash forward to todays world, we now have the choice to marry for love, but it doesn't seem to be lasting, with the sky rocketting divorce rate's(so statistics would Have us believe). And as what was also pointed out women marrying/having a child for monetary gain rather than love, by choice now ( more to do with what they will get in a seperation). (I believe that this artical was advertising a book by a Feminist, Titled something like" Whats Love Got To Do With It")
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15 years ago
Quoting 'MrsPeachypear63' Quoting 'mikeandshel' see the red bits ? see the people echoing what was written? see the points other have? see how far off topic you went? obviously i am not the only one who felt the way i did, i was just the one who spoke out early and earnt your ire for daring to disagree. you are rude. you are arrogant. you are ignorant. and best of all. you are wrong. Quoting mrsPeachpear63: You'll always find me in the kitchen at (((parties)))It always makes me wonder... when the people telling us that everyone has the right to their own opinion keep on insisting ours has no merit.Party on people, haha and don't think too hard, you might hurt your little heads.Mmmmm.... kitchen bench... now that's cooking! Mrs :-P Weight of numbers does not right make... only 'might'. Mrs Peachy no but it usually makes reasonable people stop and at least take a breath....but we know its not going to happen here....it obviously doesn't matter that the popular opinion doesn't reflect that of our lecturer does it? i mean look at places like Libya, he wont listen either lol. and hes also rude arrogant ignorant and poorly informed (has a one eyed point of view) and believes only what hes conditioned himself to believe........... funny that?
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15 years ago
Quoting 'Saturn65' Die thread dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeee... P.s ...Before Fiona says I dont have to be here if I dont want to..Im only mucking around..just wanted to get my tits out in the forum!! .Good for you!
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15 years ago
Quoting 'fionabee' Quoting 'Jean_Girard' Quoting 'puppy' ... The red bits . Yep read my mind... Now surely you boys are not trying to hint that when a woman will not back down or has strong feelings and opinions, it must be the wrong time of the month here? I mean that would be extremely sexist wouldnt it? I would hate to think that men, as liberated and forward thinking as you obviously are would stoop to such juvenile tactics. Oh and JG? Dont hold your breath sweetie, your face will turn an unbecoming shade of ......*gasp* ......RED I thought people were joking about typing slowly. I was quoting Puppy's reply in the colour red aka 'The Red Bits' I elected to summarise it so people didn't have to troll through pages of your drivel. . As for your menstruation or menopause... what was it you said earlier, something about the loudest protestor?? . Post Last Edited 4.14pm on 1 April 2011 Reason for Edit: Remove 'dumbarse' reference to Fionabee
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15 years ago
Lolz... You know.. I was scratching my head when I read the bit about menstruation because I didn't see it raised by anyone..... and then I saw Jean's reply. He's obviously a lot better at cryptics than I am.. cause man I was talking about the red font as well... and it had be beat how the f. on earth menstruation found it's way into this topic!! LMFAO... like a red rag to a bull.HugsStalky
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15 years ago
Quoting 'mikeandshel' you are rude. you are arrogant. you are ignorant. and best of all. you are wrong. I see YOU can voice your opinion though.
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15 years ago
Quoting 'fionabee' Quoting 'mikeandshel' you are rude. you are arrogant. you are ignorant. and best of all. you are wrong. I see YOU can voice your opinion though. no... i never said that you couldnt, so dont paraphrase me. all i initially meant was for us, you especially, to stay on topic. but...of course that was never going to happen......the posted topic was tongue in cheek........ but it quickly became serious and none of us know why, but certainly know how............
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15 years ago
Quoting 'fionabee' Quoting 'mikeandshel' you are rude. you are arrogant. you are ignorant. and best of all. you are wrong. I see YOU can voice your opinion though. didnt have time for the paper today.....was out choosing new range hood n hotplates..... decided on the iLVE 90cm canopy and matching iLVE 90cm free standing oven.... had coffee then spent a couple of hours at the bike shop......trying to choose between the Road King and Street Glide.........
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15 years ago
I cook every night (except for pizza night) for my wife as she works late hours and not only do I enjoy it, receive my reward by receiving appreciating from her after a hard days slog at the office....Sure I could do nothing, have the draconian approach and do nothing, wait for the hard worker to get home, for her to jump immediately onto the stove and wait for meat and two vegs served up to me...Why am I doing the wrong thing by playing my part in our marriage by performing the cooking duties?.........
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15 years ago
How on earth did a question about Men Cooking suddenly become a discussion including female circumcision? ? ? Fiona, aren’t we a bit off topic here? ? ? ? And yes I cook just dont ask me where the hoover is..
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15 years ago
Quoting 'davej69_4u' How on earth did a question about Men Cooking suddenly become a discussion including female circumcision? ? ? Fiona, aren’t we a bit off topic here? ? ? ? And yes I cook just dont ask me where the hoover is.. It is not about men coking, It is about equality. l Is equality akin to relationship death? sooo....nope. Not off topic at all.
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15 years ago
Found myself getting carried away with a book length story about cooking.I enjoy cooking and I am glad my wife likes my cooking but she hates having to do the dishesafter I finish,lol.
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15 years ago
Quoting 'davej69_4u' How on earth did a question about Men Cooking suddenly become a discussion including female circumcision? ? ? Fiona, aren’t we a bit off topic here? ? ? ? And yes I cook just dont ask me where the hoover is.. because we were taken there...not by free will either... some one kidnapped the topic and made off with it..........
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15 years ago
Quoting 'MrsPeachypear63' I hope you'll excuse the delay in my response, I stopped to take a breath lol though I know that comment wasn't meant for me. You have the advantage over me and I am curious which of you it is speaking. Awkward ya know. I don't think you got my point that because many people think a person is wrong... doesn't make the majority right... popular opinion or not. RHP Forums are not a democracy. I disagree that fionabee has gone off topic at all... it seems to me Fiona expanded on the topic at the invitation of other posters, very much the same way as I have in have in the past lol. It doesn't seem to me that the OP has any problems with the way the thread is going either or I would have thought he'd say something the times he posted. A beautiful thing (to me at least) is to imagine how many in the world have stood up against popular opinion because of something they believed in and succeeded. Without that sort of spirit, women and other minorities may still not be allowed to vote and how many discoveries would remain undiscovered. Simplistic maybe but surely some sense there.It also makes me wonder that so many RHPers feel so strongly about the comments of one person (and I do not mean to belittle anyone by saying that) that they cannot restrain themselves from saying 'something' even though it means that many are oh so not on the topic but don't seem to see the irony of that LOL. I wonder that it's because we RHPers feel we're a world apart and want to suspend the rules 'in here' but the reality is it doesn't work that way seems we all have real life concerns. I reckon it would pay many to have a look at RHP's Party forum thread if it's a good time in the forums they're wanting to have... pleeeease. How do successful personal and business relationships work? With give and take, communication, a striving to understand and cooperate with each other, adaptabilty, blah blah blah, not labelling our places in life. How many RHPers are desperate to avoid being labelled/boxed as... cheats... cougars... bi... experimental... 'single guys/women'... man marries woman... etc etc. How many feel unfulfilled (no pun intended) in their roles in life? Much like any personal or business relationship really. I think we could do with adaptable, confident examples as man and woman struggle with identity in an ever changing world. xxx ah yea? but what do you mean? that i was was wrong to say 'hey hang on'? or that she was wrong? from the first comments she posted she was belittling and derogatory towards men in general, had a go at Stalky and spouted "facts" thate werent remotely accurate. and yes..........entirely and absolutely 'off topic'. and its just got worse......embarrassingly so.... do you have the same words for others here who also stated their amazement? frustration? disbelief? spoiling for an argument by posting belligerently and arrogantly worded posts doesn't really win you any credibility, does it? and why the hell can i not post my opinion about someones posts? isnt this why we are here? and is this not a discussion, and not a debate or argument? if it weren't so pathetic it would be amusing.
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15 years ago
i am a chef and have been for nearly ten years, let me tell u its rare to see a female chef too. as for everything else, yeah whatever it doesnt take much to put rubbish out or keep a clean house, dont know what all the fuss is about
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15 years ago
Having spent the last hour reading through the long, sometimes humorous, sometimes aggressive posts I thought I might put our 2c worth in.We have been together for 11 years, married for 6. We established within the first couple of weeks of our relationship that it was Equity, not Equality, that we sought. Fair and reasonable division of everything. I don't want equality. I don't want to have to empty bins or get up at 4 to go to work. I am more than happy to sleep in until 6 and have primary care of our children and be in charge of the kitchen. Mr Justswinging gets into the kitchen and the neighbours complain about the language and noise... So I cook (and nothing gets burned or broken) and he gets to put together 6000 piece plastic Kung Zhu hamster training grounds like he is right now.As for all the other stuff, the world sucks and there are always people worse off than we are. But one thing got me thinking... If we did return to the 50's where the wife stayed at home and the man did the earning, you might find a lot more housewives looking for fun during the day??? That is of course if we can keep the internet... or do we have to give that up too?I would dearly love to have all day to do the things I have to do in the 4 hours at night after I get home from work and picking the kids up from school, time when I would really prefer to be paying attention to my gorgeous husband. But we made the choice that I would work so we can send our kids to private school and go away for holidays. Our choice. We own it. Single teenage girls who have babies and trap themselves in poverty need to own their choices too...Just my opinion...
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15 years ago
Quoting 'mikeandshel' ah yea? but what do you mean? that i was was wrong to say 'hey hang on'? or that she was wrong? from the first comments she posted she was belittling and derogatory towards men in general, had a go at Stalky and spouted "facts" thate werent remotely accurate. and yes..........entirely and absolutely 'off topic'. and its just got worse......embarrassingly so.... do you have the same words for others here who also stated their amazement? frustration? disbelief? spoiling for an argument by posting belligerently and arrogantly worded posts doesn't really win you any credibility, does it? and why the hell can i not post my opinion about someones posts? isnt this why we are here? and is this not a discussion, and not a debate or argument? if it weren't so pathetic it would be amusing So I belittled men in general but not you in particular? Why then do you feel the need to be personal in your attack? I certainly never said ALL men now or in the past. If this struck a nerve within yourself, how can I then be to blame? I think if you looked at the beginning, Stalky fired the first shot but I find that a little immaterial anyway. If I was so far off topic then please, by all means, refresh my memory as to what the topic was? Cooking? That was mentioned twice in the OPs original post as was opening car doors. Maybe we are then to assume that opening car doors was the topic. No, wait, maybe it was hanging out the washing? Taking out the garbage? Mowing the lawns? I would have thought...and indeed I did think, that the topic was the one in bold type....you know....the one about equality and the modern relationship. All I did was point out obvious points where women were not acheiving eqaulity. I am so sorry if this obvoious pointing out of the ineqaulity of Australian society embarrased you...as it should be an embarrasment for everyone who is living under the misapprehension that all is equal in the land of Oz. I did suggest, several times actually, that if the topic was so distasteful and childish to you that you just click off but obviously it held some facination for you as you did persist as well as insist on posting the odd snide remark. I do agree, you should be alowed to post YOUR views on someone elses posts....even if they are pathetic and not amusing. But then I expect the same courtesy in return. l By the way, thanks to all those who sent me emails of support for this topic. Much appreciated guys.
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15 years ago
Quoting 'fionabee' Quoting 'mikeandshel' ah yea? but what do you mean? that i was was wrong to say 'hey hang on'? or that she was wrong? from the first comments she posted she was belittling and derogatory towards men in general, had a go at Stalky and spouted "facts" thate werent remotely accurate. and yes..........entirely and absolutely 'off topic'. and its just got worse......embarrassingly so.... do you have the same words for others here who also stated their amazement? frustration? disbelief? spoiling for an argument by posting belligerently and arrogantly worded posts doesn't really win you any credibility, does it? and why the hell can i not post my opinion about someones posts? isnt this why we are here? and is this not a discussion, and not a debate or argument? if it weren't so pathetic it would be amusing So I belittled men in general but not you in particular? Why then do you feel the need to be personal in your attack? I certainly never said ALL men now or in the past. If this struck a nerve within yourself, how can I then be to blame? I think if you looked at the beginning, Stalky fired the first shot but I find that a little immaterial anyway. If I was so far off topic then please, by all means, refresh my memory as to what the topic was? Cooking? That was mentioned twice in the OPs original post as was opening car doors. Maybe we are then to assume that opening car doors was the topic. No, wait, maybe it was hanging out the washing? Taking out the garbage? Mowing the lawns? I would have thought...and indeed I did think, that the topic was the one in bold type....you know....the one about equality and the modern relationship. All I did was point out obvious points where women were not acheiving eqaulity. I am so sorry if this obvoious pointing out of the ineqaulity of Australian society embarrased you...as it should be an embarrasment for everyone who is living under the misapprehension that all is equal in the land of Oz. I did suggest, several times actually, that if the topic was so distasteful and childish to you that you just click off but obviously it held some facination for you as you did persist as well as insist on posting the odd snide remark. I do agree, you should be alowed to post YOUR views on someone elses posts....even if they are pathetic and not amusing. But then I expect the same courtesy in return. l By the way, thanks to all those who sent me emails of support for this topic. Much appreciated guys. ah this just gets better and better.........u go on and on and on.....you really don't get it do you? its not what you say (that's a waste anyways) its how you say it. the adjectives I used to embellish my posts, i used specifically for you, i even typed them very slowly. seems others in the room agreed don't u think? this is no competition and certainly no debate. the whole idea of a 'forum' is a place to have a conversational exchange of opinions, ideas and beliefs...something you seem unable to comprehend..... if you wish to argue,or indeed lecture, i believe there's a whole swathe of sites that cater for that......this is, after all, a site primarily aimed at getting people together for sex, not a debating or public speaking club. toastmasters might suit, i think...
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15 years ago
Quoting 'MrsPeachypear63' I don't think I'm anywhere as near as clever as many RHPers, so I'm sorry if I have not explained well. I'll reply to your post above. I have a completely different perception of the way the thread began, how it progressed from there and how I see the attitudes but not wanting to get into any more tit for tat (sorry, still no pun). To answer one question though, I have responded to stalky with my 'ahem' post where he said that we don't hear people being outraged about male circumcision on here. The link (http://www.redhotpie.com.au/adult/FORE-SKIN-or-not-S-24429) I included in that post was a RHP thread posted by me specifically on the topic of circumcising baby boys where I and many other people were against it. Many people posted links and added information including stalky which makes an inaccurate fact from him, maybe why he didn't acknowledge my mention of that thread.It was an awesome thread and heated at times lol, In particular I remember Mars from that thread and we're still friends. Not surprisingly female circumcision was mentioned and accepted as a natural progression of of the thread. I also replied lightly to flirty when she used the 'red quote' comment basically the same as yourself lol which is how you and I got talking in the first place. I agreed with what flirty had to say and I do realise she is coming from a different place to me. Mmmmm and my last post was only mainly aimed at you because we were in a 'conversation'. :-)Glad to hear you got email support fionabee. :-) What's the book "The Power of Two" about Charles? Sounds interesting. :-) well good on you...and good on Stalky...at least he posts accurate information. as to the post being for me? yea i knew that, even when others couldn't. has this become some sort of competition tho? we too received email 'support' but don't place any value on them its akin to schoolyard whispers behind others backs. lol. there are no 'conversations' here as someone will always pounce on it and attempt to take issue. history has already proven my words to be 100% accurate. and i don't need the abs to back that up.Quoting 'fionabee' Quoting 'mikeandshel' ah yea? but what do you mean? that i was was wrong to say 'hey hang on'? or that she was wrong? from the first comments she posted she was belittling and derogatory towards men in general, had a go at Stalky and spouted "facts" thate werent remotely accurate. and yes..........entirely and absolutely 'off topic'. and its just got worse......embarrassingly so.... do you have the same words for others here who also stated their amazement? frustration? disbelief? spoiling for an argument by posting belligerently and arrogantly worded posts doesn't really win you any credibility, does it? and why the hell can i not post my opinion about someones posts? isnt this why we are here? and is this not a discussion, and not a debate or argument? if it weren't so pathetic it would be amusing So I belittled men in general but not you in particular? Why then do you feel the need to be personal in your attack? I certainly never said ALL men now or in the past. If this struck a nerve within yourself, how can I then be to blame? I think if you looked at the beginning, Stalky fired the first shot but I find that a little immaterial anyway. If I was so far off topic then please, by all means, refresh my memory as to what the topic was? Cooking? That was mentioned twice in the OPs original post as was opening car doors. Maybe we are then to assume that opening car doors was the topic. No, wait, maybe it was hanging out the washing? Taking out the garbage? Mowing the lawns? I would have thought...and indeed I did think, that the topic was the one in bold type....you know....the one about equality and the modern relationship. All I did was point out obvious points where women were not acheiving eqaulity. I am so sorry if this obvoious pointing out of the ineqaulity of Australian society embarrased you...as it should be an embarrasment for everyone who is living under the misapprehension that all is equal in the land of Oz. I did suggest, several times actually, that if the topic was so distasteful and childish to you that you just click off but obviously it held some facination for you as you did persist as well as insist on posting the odd snide remark. I do agree, you should be alowed to post YOUR views on someone elses posts....even if they are pathetic and not amusing. But then I expect the same courtesy in return. l By the way, thanks to all those who sent me emails of support for this topic. Much appreciated guys. so you know....at no point did or could i feel embarrassed by your words. yea we got the" topic".it didnt need lectures about womens rights and female circumcision/mutilation or what not so didnt see where your stuff fit in. and....you did go on and on and on... dont suggest anything to me/us in the future please, it will just be ignored. and on and on and on.........
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RHP User
15 years ago
Grrrr, I'm glad my dog will drop a bone when instructed to, wish I could teach myself to let it go too :)I was going to to the RED thing (not menstruate but delineate while quoting) but it takes up too much space and I've done enough already (do we all agree?) I'm glad to see Flirty Bi Fem has risen above the supposed huge inequality of today and can have a laugh, I'm also glad to see her wonderful breasts. I'm disappointed FiBee has taken her wonderful breasts away though! I watched the show "Mad Men" the other day and was set to come back here and apologize for all man kind, even though I love the show I was horrified to hear off an older male who I was watching the show with that this was exactly the way things were in the 50's. So yes I uncategorically apologize for the way we were and what we did. Just as I might apologize to the Aboriginal race for how people of my same skin colour treated them in the not too distant past...SORRYBUT does this mean I must feel like an ogre for eternity as I just happen to be anglo-saxon and male?I think not, things have come a long way, sure they're not perfect but they never will be. Sure we need to be vigilant to make sure we're ever improving the lot of the less fortunate than us but we also need to be careful as when we instill the idea of someone being less fortunate they often start to rely on hand outs and preferential treatment instead of working hard and improving their lot.Fi, you can have your opinions all you like as we all can. But where is your proof (not sensationalised garbage that has nothing to do with what is happening in the mainstream). I have worked in many industries, with many women, have had many female bosses and I have never, I say NEVER, seen women actively discriminated against. We are in a consumer driven economy, the holy dollar is the goal and it doesn't matter what sex you are if you bring in more dollars to a business then you are going to climb the ladder faster.Yes I guess having 4 kids at home might slow your climb significantly...well so it bloody should, or employ a nanny - the choice is there!I don't get a choice about where my tax goes. I don't get a lifetime of welfare. I work hard, I climb the ladder and I hand over nearly 50% of my hard earned to support the running of our country. I don't get a choice where it goes. You keep hammering on that things are unequal - yes they sure are! We have 3rd and probably 4th generation welfare families who we willingly provide the means to stay exactly where they are, we even give them a "bonus" to get the flat screen TV's and if you don't think that this doesn't happen then you've never known anyone that worked at JB Hi Fi. So our support of society (which I believe is necessary and a good thing) can overdo it and ultimately harm the people it's supposed to help.So who do we support and who don't we? It's hard hey, as on 60 minutes there are some people that are really dealt a poor hand in life. It's really good to see when they use the support to get up and make it. But you say you've never seen this support abused? Gee Tamworth must be an aberration then? So Fi, please point out where this discrimination exists against women that if they put in exactly the same work they don't achieve and pleeease don't use pointless statistics. If 100 men and 5 women want to be the CEO of every company is it really statistically relevant that the man gets the job at least 95% of the time??????
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RHP User
15 years ago
Did the law ever come in maternity leave? With the employer having to give that job back after 10 months plus? That's a hard call in small - medium sized businesses that invest years of training, they might only have one position with that job description. So would it be reasonable if you were a owner of that business, you would not employ females for that position due to the risk they would have babies and your business is hurt during that period? This is an example where females are not treated equally. Due to the risk of receiving heaps more they miss out.
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RHP User
15 years ago
but shesshhhh why does pumpkin soup take so long to make????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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15 years ago
Quoting 'Romancefor4' Anal sex? Otherwise going back to sleepzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 5 lines is a good length of a post, before we lose concentration. I like that Romancefor4 made me laugh. xxMeeka
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'aniceone71'but shesshhhh why does pumpkin soup take so long to make???????????????????????????????????????????????????? You are cutting up the pumpkin into pieces that are too big? My pumpkin soup can be cooked and ready in about 10-15 minutes! xFunlovingx
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15 years ago
give me the recipe.. heaven forbid of this site in exchanging recipes... but if that is all it takes I want it.. I cooked it late this afternoon and it was arduous.... Queen song... I want to break free.. he he Give me that recipe girl.. and let a man get away from the oven and cooktop cheers
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15 years ago
Quoting 'MrsPeachypear63' Quoting 'xFunlovingx' Quoting 'aniceone71'but shesshhhh why does pumpkin soup take so long to make???????????????????????????????????????????????????? You are cutting up the pumpkin into pieces that are too big? My pumpkin soup can be cooked and ready in about 10-15 minutes! xFunlovingx ...and remember to turn the stove on. Then once things heat up don't just stand there watching... I hear a watched pot never boils. MrsPeachy You get a richer flavour. It may take longer but...sometimes a good roasting is all that is needed
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15 years ago
Quoting 'fionabee' Quoting 'MrsPeachypear63' Quoting 'xFunlovingx' Quoting 'aniceone71'but shesshhhh why does pumpkin soup take so long to make???????????????????????????????????????????????????? You are cutting up the pumpkin into pieces that are too big? My pumpkin soup can be cooked and ready in about 10-15 minutes! xFunlovingx ...and remember to turn the stove on. Then once things heat up don't just stand there watching... I hear a watched pot never boils. MrsPeachy You get a richer flavour. It may take longer but...sometimes a good roasting is all that is needed I do fry the pumpkin with the onion before pouring in the boiled water...but never heard of baking first? Meh, us wogs are set in our ways of cooking lol xFunlovingx
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15 years ago
.......not even going to mention how fabulous my pumpkin soup cause we all know (sorry, Most of us know)whose is always the best.... pssst~~ mikeandshel.....and anyone else who is interested.....wanna step out and share some gazpacho? dont even care if that spelling is so wrong.....hehehehe
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'ruby_blossum' .......not even going to mention how fabulous my pumpkin soup cause we all know (sorry, Most of us know)whose is always the best.... I dont know who's is best because life its too short to taste everybody's pumpkin soup. So please, tell us, share the secret? Who has the best pumpkin soup? I dont make it because I dont like it!
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RHP User
15 years ago
...just take it for gospel that MY pumpkin soup is the best of the best.....and I'm a bloke...how's that for topical....and I love my new kitchen, so nice to cook in!
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'MrsPeachypear63' Relationship tips from the 'That's Life' mag I read this morning, gave me a laugh with my love of 'coincidences' or whatever you want to call them. One of the suggestions given to one of the couples in the body of the article included the man cooking the meal for his wife lol. Sue's Top Relationship Tips 1) Communication: It's very important to have effective communication in a relationship. Sometimes couples are scared of being rejected if they open up but this only causes tension. 2) Accept you're different: We are all individuals. Life would be boring if we weren't! Understanding that your partner has a different perspective is important. 3) Respect: Don't ever belittle your partner or put them down. 4) Appreciation: Take time to think about the things you love about your partner. Don't take them for granted. 5) Spend Time Together: It's great to have individual interests, but make sure you set aside some time to do things together.Kudos to all the couples out there who have made it work. Viva la difference. e make it work... mainly because my wife doesn't hate men, and i love women. and because we talk. and share. and respect each others differences.
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15 years ago
Yes, you are and it worked.....my god why am I even replying to this post?
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'stalky' Quoting 'dontgothere'Leave all the equality argument for the afterglow when we start fighting over who's turn it is to make brekky Lolz... I'm sure Brae remembers a thread just like this one.. and he's just sitting back watching his innocent little rant implode into a life of its own. He has a point that wasn't lost on me... that people choose to live defined roles because it is easier than trying to work out the politics. It was never a gender issue really. The same goes for two gay guys in a relationship.. or two women.... or even three flatmates. How the matter digressed to female circumcision is beyond me.... but if it is a question of choice, it would be my position statement that mandatory circumcision is wrong, regardless of gender. I don't hear people being outraged about it on here, but it's just as outrageous to cut off a little guy's dick skin in my opinion.You're right, none of this discussion is sexy and choosing the battlefield.. hell, there are forums specifically tailored for all this stuff. If people here want to have fun with the topic, I say go for it... and if other people are feeling precious about it, tough titties.HugsStalky Sorry to take so long to reply I was outside mowing the lawn. YES Gaz indeed. In fact I think this worked out as a spanking hyundia driving example of just that ! People get caught up in the politics of their relationship or the perception of political correctness of empowering women or for that matter the feminisation of men all in the vain hope of reaching some unachievable equality - again but are we happy ? Is the trip worth the destination? Yes these same issues happen in any relationship same sex etc etc Sarah and I live in a completely politically incorrect happy as Barry and Larry relationship. We don't strive to hold onto position don't strive to hold a politically define view of what we should be , do or have. May I say Sarah is the stronger of the two of us and is in fact the glue. The battle for equality is in my opinion what is killing us ........ that and two words "I'm right" Brae ........... yes quietly watching a rant implode, if it gets bigger we will be giving this baby a postcode !
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'MrsPeachypear63' Quoting 'mikeandshel' Quoting 'MrsPeachypear63' Relationship tips from the 'That's Life' mag I read this morning, gave me a laugh with my love of 'coincidences' or whatever you want to call them. One of the suggestions given to one of the couples in the body of the article included the man cooking the meal for his wife lol. Sue's Top Relationship Tips 1) Communication: It's very important to have effective communication in a relationship. Sometimes couples are scared of being rejected if they open up but this only causes tension. 2) Accept you're different: We are all individuals. Life would be boring if we weren't! Understanding that your partner has a different perspective is important. 3) Respect: Don't ever belittle your partner or put them down. 4) Appreciation: Take time to think about the things you love about your partner. Don't take them for granted. 5) Spend Time Together: It's great to have individual interests, but make sure you set aside some time to do things together.Kudos to all the couples out there who have made it work. Viva la difference. e make it work... mainly because my wife doesn't hate men, and i love women. and because we talk. and share. and respect each others differences. What's Hate Got To Do With It?It's a wonderful world. Mrs Peachy unfortunately for many, its the very core of the issue.
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RHP User
15 years ago
ah this just gets better and better.........u go on and on and on.....you really don't get it do you? its not what you say (that's a waste anyways) its how you say it. the adjectives I used to embellish my posts, i used specifically for you, i even typed them very slowly. seems others in the room agreed don't u think? this is no competition and certainly no debate. the whole idea of a 'forum' is a place to have a conversational exchange of opinions, ideas and beliefs...something you seem unable to comprehend..... if you wish to argue,or indeed lecture, i believe there's a whole swathe of sites that cater for that......this is, after all, a site primarily aimed at getting people together for sex, not a debating or public speaking club. toastmasters might suit, i think... But It is just so much fun winding up those that cannot see. That is all I did, have an exchange about ideas and beliefs. Can I help it if you do not agree and get nasty about it? I mean to say, you seem to derive some satisfaction out of my comments...as embarrasing as they were and as pathetic...to keep coming back. Clearly if you thought I was lecturing I must have struck a nerve. You will get over it I am sure.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'fionabee' ah this just gets better and better.........u go on and on and on.....you really don't get it do you? its not what you say (that's a waste anyways) its how you say it. the adjectives I used to embellish my posts, i used specifically for you, i even typed them very slowly. seems others in the room agreed don't u think? this is no competition and certainly no debate. the whole idea of a 'forum' is a place to have a conversational exchange of opinions, ideas and beliefs...something you seem unable to comprehend..... if you wish to argue,or indeed lecture, i believe there's a whole swathe of sites that cater for that......this is, after all, a site primarily aimed at getting people together for sex, not a debating or public speaking club. toastmasters might suit, i think... But It is just so much fun winding up those that cannot see. That is all I did, have an exchange about ideas and beliefs. Can I help it if you do not agree and get nasty about it? I mean to say, you seem to derive some satisfaction out of my comments...as embarrasing as they were and as pathetic...to keep coming back. Clearly if you thought I was lecturing I must have struck a nerve. You will get over it I am sure. lol. dont kid yourself. 'wound' up? hardly raised the heartbeat luvvie. but you do go on....and on..... and on.... which, after all, was my whole point. but you get that dont you? lol read the posts and see where the 'nasty' begins petal.
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15 years ago
Quoting you fionabee....... "If you bake the pumpkin firstYou get a richer flavour. It may take longer but...sometimes a good roasting is all that is needed followed by........ Best? I dont know who's is best because life its too short to taste everybody's pumpkin soup. So please, tell us, share the secret? Who has the best pumpkin soup? I dont make it because I dont like it! " Sheeze fionabee, sometimes you just make it way to easy for fellow forum participants to discredit any validity of your comments..... Maybe you would like a like a slice of pie instead of pumpkin soup... May I suggest a couple of slices of the Humble Pie....many of us indulge in it regularly without any adverse side effects.
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15 years ago
Quoting 'ruby_blossum' Quoting you fionabee....... "If you bake the pumpkin firstYou get a richer flavour. It may take longer but...sometimes a good roasting is all that is needed followed by........Best? I dont know who's is best because life its too short to taste everybody's pumpkin soup. So please, tell us, share the secret? Who has the best pumpkin soup? I dont make it because I dont like it! " Sheeze fionabee, sometimes you just make it way to easy for fellow forum participants to discredit any validity of your comments..... Maybe you would like a like a slice of pie instead of pumpkin soup... May I suggest a couple of slices of the Humble Pie....many of us indulge in it regularly without any adverse side effects. If you bake the pumpkin first it has a richer flavour. But please. do not take MY word for it, try it yourself! Dont even bother with the soup. Simple experiment, bake one piece, boil another and taste them both. Too easy folks. Why would I need humble pie? It is just so simple to bait some people. Naturally I make pumpkin soup and enjoy it and collect recipe books some from over one hundred years ago and swap recipes with people. In the words of another person who comments often.... FFS.
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15 years ago
I didnt expect anything less from you.......sooooooooo predictable. . May I suggest you spend a few hours reading your recipe books collection from over 100 years ago for suitable Humble Pie recipies..... .... .......or maybe some Fishing Journals for techniques on forum-friendly baiting. . Few fishermen appreciate those who muddy up the waters with buckets of chum......
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15 years ago
As always Fi there are valid points to your arguments but sometimes not absolutely correct...........so to show you the error of your ways....baking a pumpkin will do well to caremalise the sugars and lead to a nice toasty sweetness BUT I believe that in the form of soup it is best to let the pumpkin's natural flavours shine through, especially if you're using a Butternut. If the vegetable is a good one then the less you do the better.....the same can be said of Tomato soup - you can bake them too which will lead to a rich flavour but really too sauce like. Try getting some over ripe tomatoes, chop roughly, throw in all your favorite fresh herbs and a little water if necessary and cook quickly. Grab the bamix and wizz it up and you'll have a lovely soup and takes only a little more time than finding the can opener to open the canned soup!Now isn't this a sex site only so WTF are we talking recipes hahaha
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