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Intellect versus Arrogance...
July 30 2011
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RHP User
14 years ago
I was talking about this last night in the context of children. I think high intellect children are quite regularly inept when it gets down to socialising... they just do not having the patience for all the false drama and fuss and nonsense other children go on about... and at times when they can predict an accident waiting to happen.. you know... someone, a friend or aquaintance destined for an imminent fail or certain embarrassment... a gifted but socially inexperienced child will try to help... whereas in time, they probably learn it's more socially acceptable to just let all the idiots fail miserably rather than to help by telling them of their impending danger ... for if they do so, they might avert the circumstances for their friend, but then be seen to be arrogant little busy bodies and know it alls to their own detriment. Free thinkers need space, but they also need loving understanding like everybody else. Their problems .. the burden of responsibility that they must carry, knowing stuff but prevented by social norms to speak up, unable to prevent certain and imminent failure.... it must be pretty lonely for them I think and much easier to be a dumb arse. Ignorance truly is bliss.HugsStalky
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RHP User
14 years ago
I"m crying in my soup reading that Stalky...I didn't realise the path of the truly intelligent was so lonely and beleaguered of humanities problems. I am now observing a minute of silence in their honour .. oh hang on, no .. I'm silent cause I"m halfway through my bowl.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Sex. It's not really an intellectual pursuit. You don't need a manual.. just go with what feels good.... it's one of the few things around, besides eating and breathing that connects people from all walks of life. Hell, you don't have to know anything about a person.. not their name.. or anything.... just go with the vibe. That's interesting no? I mean, how do you understand your place in the world? Have sex with it I think.HugsStalky
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'stalky'" how do you understand your place in the world? Have sex with it I think."I love this!!!! What a beautiful aspiration, I think you have just written my mission statement!!
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RHP User
14 years ago
A case of the more the merrier?And yes, emotional/social intelligence is to be valued. Having empathy and being able to walk a kilometre in someone else's stilettos, can be as important as "knowledge".
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RHP User
14 years ago
imo you are wrong. you may be asking yourself how i came to this conclusion, i am right therefore you must be wrong.end of argument ;)
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RHP User
14 years ago
I understand what you are saying Crackup but I have to disagree with you. Just because a person is intelligent doens't make them open minded or accepting of others opinions. Intelligent people can be just as arrogant and boorish as the next person. I am not sure if anyone is totally really free of bias and preconceptions, certainly not everyone is comfortable challenging the way they view the world and life. It's a scary world out their for some!!Ignorance certainly is bliss. :DxxMeeka
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RHP User
14 years ago
I think empathy is the difference between the genius and the evil genius. In any case, empathy is certainly a virtue that should be valued... and you don't have to be an intellectual virtuoso to naturally be that way. Part of the problem here in the forum is that its not the communication tool of choice for many. If you're one of those people who communicate well because of facial expressions for instance, then some things you are going to write here are going to be misinterpreted. I think its perfectly reasonable to expect that highy intelligent people can communicate well in writing... but then, as I said earlier, it is not necessarily the case because of social conditioning.. or lack of it.HugsStalky Quoting 'Eatplaylove' A case of the more the merrier?And yes, emotional/social intelligence is to be valued. Having empathy and being able to walk a kilometre in someone else's stilettos, can be as important as "knowledge".
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RHP User
14 years ago
lolz. You better believe it, root everything legal at any rate. lmfao.. it's not like we're going to change the world... just our special part of it!HugsStalky Quoting 'mrpollux' Quoting 'stalky'" how do you understand your place in the world? Have sex with it I think."I love this!!!! What a beautiful aspiration, I think you have just written my mission statement!!
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RHP User
14 years ago
I like to do all the talking myself. It saves time, and prevents arguments. :pHUgsOscar Wilde.. errr.. I mean Stalky! Quoting 'burngeorgesbush' imo you are wrong. you may be asking yourself how i came to this conclusion, i am right therefore you must be wrong.end of argument ;)
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RHP User
14 years ago
intelligence is no substitute for natural stupidity.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' Ignorance certainly is bliss. :D Having seen your profile and read some of your posts Meeka, I'm sure that this quote is in jest but for me, I know how uncomfortable it makes me feel. I spent most of my adult life in ignorance. I lived and worked in a system that promoted ignorance, shunned free thinking and routinely promoted adherance to a collective mission. There was no space for getting in touch with my emotional wants and needs, to talk openly about what you really felt and your emotional requirements was seen as weakness; you had to be a man, that's all there was to it. Now, having left that culture, and having had the space over the last few years to open my eyes, I know the damage it did me. I am an intelligent man but I had no awareness, no inkling that there was more to life than to follow societies norms. Emotionally, life is harder now but that is only because I am aware of my emotions, they're not buried and surpressed lying in wait for some horrendous breakdown. I know my life is filled with challenges and tests, some of which I'll fail but at least now I'm aware they're there and accept that only I can meet them. And for that knowledge, I am grateful because I am in a far more rewarding and happier place than I have ever been. And with that understanding, I know that whatever anyone else thinks, whatever their opinion is, its theirs. I don't have to subscribe, I don't need to change them, I accept that they are different from me and try not to judge them for that difference. Sadly, years of conditioning is hard to eradicate but at least I am aware of this particular challenge. "If you wish to see the truth, then hold no opinion for or against." ~ Osho
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RHP User
14 years ago
Why summarise that because I say 'intelligence' I mean simple academia or knowledge base - as eatplaylove pointed out, there are lots of difference types 'intelligence' and emotional iq is another (of which empathy is a keystone). I just wanted to explore what people thought and how they perceived things - if you want to imply that I am narrow in my understanding - bully for you. I am sure it makes anyone who wants to write on the forum just a little wary in case they are 'given a serve' by the presiding members in here.
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RHP User
14 years ago
mrpollux, that was my point. Ignorance is bliss. You don't know what you don't know. What you don't know can't hurt you, etc. You get me meaning.Sometimes the more you know the more confusing life seems. I have some friends who I would call "simple" and by that I don't mean not intelligent or that they are dumb. They have simple views and simple wants in life and as a result they are happy with their lot in life. Well that is how it appears to me anyway. xxMeeka
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RogueGeek
14 years ago
The more I learn, the more convinced I am of my own ignorance.And until you've lived in a cult, you don't know what 'encouraged ignorance' is...Cheers,MS(the female half)
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RHP User
14 years ago
Crackup what? I though you were just saying that people who are intelligent listen to other peoples views, yet the minute someone disagrees with you, you get the shits??? Sorry you feel like anyone has given you a serve. xxMeeka
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RHP User
14 years ago
Yeah Meeka, I don't count myself as overly intelligent - I do like to explore topics though. I don't have the 'shits' as you so eloquently put it - I just would like to think that people having a discussion could clarify their point if someone has misunderstood them - if in fact they like to discuss, if their aim is just to make others look or feel stupid in front of their peers - well, the forum seems to attract people of that ilk too often than not. The good thing is, those who read can draw their own conclusions on the intent of the contributors.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Err.. I was merely responding to this arsekicking you dished out. If that upsets you Crackup, then bully for you.HugsStalky Quoting 'CrackUp' I"m crying in my soup reading that Stalky...I didn't realise the path of the truly intelligent was so lonely and beleaguered of humanities problems. I am now observing a minute of silence in their honour .. oh hang on, no .. I'm silent cause I"m halfway through my bowl.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Oh dear, then it seems I misunderstood you Stalky..it is hard on the written page, as u said earlier, to confirm absolute meaning, without the benefit of the non verbal confirmation (see earlier post by a rather clever young man). Actually, you know what - I think I am rather out of my depth in here...think I"ll go join the other alcoholics and have another drink. Salute ....
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RHP User
14 years ago
That sounds like the "knowledge is power" maxim used in reverse to suppress the masses... I don't think I could knowingly work in an environment like that either.... all stifled. It worries me that our governments seem to think that's exactly how we ought to have it. Really... why are we having a carbon tax.... for instance, when nothing about the tax goes to solving the problem that has been identified.. indeed it seems to make matters worse by sending our coal tax free to India and China... I mean really.HugsStalky Quoting 'mrpollux' Quoting 'Meeka100' Ignorance certainly is bliss. :D Having seen your profile and read some of your posts Meeka, I'm sure that this quote is in jest but for me, I know how uncomfortable it makes me feel. I spent most of my adult life in ignorance. I lived and worked in a system that promoted ignorance, shunned free thinking and routinely promoted adherance to a collective mission. There was no space for getting in touch with my emotional wants and needs, to talk openly about what you really felt and your emotional requirements was seen as weakness; you had to be a man, that's all there was to it. Now, having left that culture, and having had the space over the last few years to open my eyes, I know the damage it did me. I am an intelligent man but I had no awareness, no inkling that there was more to life than to follow societies norms. Emotionally, life is harder now but that is only because I am aware of my emotions, they're not buried and surpressed lying in wait for some horrendous breakdown. I know my life is filled with challenges and tests, some of which I'll fail but at least now I'm aware they're there and accept that only I can meet them. And for that knowledge, I am grateful because I am in a far more rewarding and happier place than I have ever been. And with that understanding, I know that whatever anyone else thinks, whatever their opinion is, its theirs. I don't have to subscribe, I don't need to change them, I accept that they are different from me and try not to judge them for that difference. Sadly, years of conditioning is hard to eradicate but at least I am aware of this particular challenge. "If you wish to see the truth, then hold no opinion for or against." ~ Osho
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RHP User
14 years ago
but I am a lady. Socio economic factors certainly come into play in these forums. And the vilifying and patronising posts are at times out of control. The intellect v's arrogance argument is certainly worth considering CrackUp but a great deal of the time I think it comes down to plain old intolerance and big time BULLYING, which I believe is rife on some threads. A very sad state of affairs indeed. Off to lunch with the girls now, think I will wear my "Ignorance is bliss" tee (in honour of your observations CU!) Kisses KK
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RHP User
14 years ago
Hi all and I hope you are open to more opinions.... Well, I love these open forums and what they contain, everyone is right! Intelligence can manifest in many forms, social, academic, analytical, creative, spacial, spiritual and more. We are all intelligent in some way, having had more experience, more natural gifting and tendancies in certain areas than others. Some people are considered disabled due to their lack of understanding and ability to integrate into the way WE live our lives under the thumb of the social and economic pressures of the world. Is a savant intelligent- of course they are... their mind works differently, their intelligence lies in a specific area of which they are considered genius, but they are unable to integrate and communicate socially, so they are disabled. Look back in history at the true geniuses of the world, most, if not all are socially or physically inept or incapable of some type of intelligence, yet can see things within their area of intelligence that others just couldn't. So, yes, a genius, or someone of high intelligence in our society can see more than the average person in a certain field, have more of an open mind and understanding etc... but this does not necessarily indicate that they will be this way with other fields of human understanding, social interaction and existance. Intelligence is more an academic term now used to guage the actions of others. Now that's is a stupid thing to say? Or was it intelligent? I am too arrogant to consider others' opinions...so YOU choose. Years ago I took a Mensa test. The average IQ of people in the world should be 100. There will be some as low as 20 and others over 200! Mensa test for the top 2% of the world (called the 98th percentile), ie membership is offered to those showing an IQ of 138 or more from their testing. Does a score of 143 make me intelligent? According to Mensa it does, yet I find my myself at times socially inept and have had nothing but issues with relationships over the years. Mensa members are highly considered in the top echelon of this society, yet they only really test for an understanding in certain areas of our being, although a level of understanding accross all the areas tested is vital to be considered. Another box! Knowing something and not expressing it is not intelligence, sharing it and creating undertsanding of it is. Yet, in this day and age, social and economic pressures box us all and if anyone shows a better understanding and knowledge in a certain area, they are considered arrogant in the eye of the beholder (because they themselves can't or haven't reached that level of understanding or knowledge). I am being arrogant right now, aren't I, you choose? Perception is the key. So, in conclusion (and MY opinion), intelligence is the ability to specialise in an area of the human condition/social integration, creating knowledge and understanding in this area that the general population previous have been unaware of, or are anable to fathom. Arrogance is in the eye of the beholder and whether someone is correct or not in their assumptions and conclusions, may never change the opinion of the beholder due to having the confidence to express it, not being held back by etiquette and rules. True arrogance is thought of as close mindedness, the inability to see past their own opinions and restrictive thought processes and see other ways of percieveing the same issue. If this is the case, the arrogance is coming from the perciever, yes that's right, if you think someone is being arrogant- it's you that is being arrogant!?! You have your opinion, as much as they have theirs, but you balme them for not having an open mind when all you want to do is disagree and give YOUR opinion. So really, we all have intelligence, we are all arrogant- it is whether we have the confidence to break conformity to express it that makes the difference. Ignorance is how arrogance came to be.... Now this should make the discussion more interesting :)
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RHP User
14 years ago
Thank you Casper .. awesome post. I think you are right..much as when in that situation I could not agree - when u are trying to get your point across and the other is resolutely holding fast to their argument or opinion, it is easy to label them as arrogant. It let's us off the hook (they are just so 'arrogant' they will not see) and allows us to still think of ourselves as credible and with a worthwhile point of view. With regard to the rest of your post, yes - an idiot savant has a 'narrow' area of expertise but is so crystaline in that field, their intelligence is beyond question. The pygmy bushman on a New York street would be considered 'dumb' of the cultural norms and yet, a New Yorker in the jungle would probably find himself dead meat in a considerably short time...who is the 'intelligent' one. The norms of the society we come from, our innate ability, our ability to express..all are facets of intelligence, to process, to (and the list is endless and I for one am not 'intelligent enough to know all the possibilities of how 'intellect' presents'...I think the 'arrogant' ones, are the ones who fail to appreciate 'smarts' can come in lots of different forms.CL-MS, I am with you guys...Socrates, had a funny name..but I think he knew his stuff xx
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'stalky' I like to do all the talking myself. It saves time, and prevents arguments. :pHUgsOscar Wilde.. errr.. I mean Stalky! Quoting 'burngeorgesbush' imo you are wrong. you may be asking yourself how i came to this conclusion, i am right therefore you must be wrong.end of argument ;) so do i win man of the year award?
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RHP User
14 years ago
I could argue that I am an intellectual, not an academic. I don't have a degree. I could also argue that there are different types of intelligence, and that intelligence itself is not the same as intellect or the ability to articulate thought or speech across a diverse array of mediums. I am the first to admit, I am a narcissistic, self-absorbed, often vacuous, vapid, empty blank-slate of a human being without any intrinsic meaning, my awareness of which brings me no closer to peace. Some people, un-intellectual people would probably try and misconstrue this as arrogance, but in my experience, it is merely a coping mechanism that I use to try and overcompensate for the things I don't feel. Things like basic human emotion, that most people take for granted on a daily basis - and I can make it look incredibly authentically human, but at the end of the day, its only to 'fit in' and to serve the selfish ends of my own means... because if you were to look behind the witticisms, the sardonic humour and the pithy social observations, and scrape away the gimp mask of my normalcy... I guarantee you, you wouldn't like what you see....
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'Casper74'So, in conclusion (and MY opinion), intelligence is the ability to specialise in an area of the human condition/social integration, creating knowledge and understanding in this area that the general population previous have been unaware of, or are anable to fathom. Arrogance is in the eye of the beholder and whether someone is correct or not in their assumptions and conclusions, may never change the opinion of the beholder due to having the confidence to express it, not being held back by etiquette and rules. True arrogance is thought of as close mindedness, the inability to see past their own opinions and restrictive thought processes and see other ways of percieveing the same issue. If this is the case, the arrogance is coming from the perciever, yes that's right, if you think someone is being arrogant- it's you that is being arrogant!?! You have your opinion, as much as they have theirs, but you balme them for not having an open mind when all you want to do is disagree and give YOUR opinion. So really, we all have intelligence, we are all arrogant- it is whether we have the confidence to break conformity to express it that makes the difference. Ignorance is how arrogance came to be.... I don't really get what you're trying to say, but as far as I can see, arrogance is a crucial aspect of intelligence. When discoveries are made in science or mathematics, they're sometimes such a radical departure from the accepted wisdom about the topic that the opinion of the discoverer is summarily dismissed by their peers. Unless they have the balls to stand up to the community to which they aspire to belong, they're often ignored. Darwin was incredibly insecure about publishing 'On the Origin of Species' - it took him several years and cost him his health because he was scared of the church and the scientific community. Stephen Hawking had no such issues with 'A Brief History of Time', partly because he was considered an arrogant prick who demanded attention.You're only arrogant if you're not right. If you are, you're rightfully impatient with the dickheads around you who can't see the forest for the trees...
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RHP User
14 years ago
I don't think intelligence measured on any scale necessarilty goes hand in hand with arrogance. That in my humble opinion is the utter and comtemptuous disregard for any opinion other than you own. Snow's example of a scientist with a new discovery or even philosophy is perfect...I don't know if they were arrogant but they were indeed hallmarks of self confidence and knew they were right and/or had a very valid point worthy of consideration and often times in spite of immediate peer recognition. It is not always easy to be innovative in your thinking let alone self confident enoug in your beliefs. That does not equate to arrogance...that is courage. | Just a quick thought on a popular term...bullying? I agree that in some real life work or social environments it can and does occur when authority is used inappropriately or fear is a motivate for action. That said, the concept of "cyber-bullying" or "internet bullying" actually came into being in examing our more modern youth whose internet time and interaction was later carried back to the schools and.or their social environments. Here or on other forums...we just need to be adults. I don't like some of the things I have had written to or about me...but at the same time, do I really care? Probably not...and really have or will restrict my comments that may be more caustic only if in observation they represent social ideologies that are dramatically in conflict with my own. | Your call...arrogance or self confidence? And I still think that I had learned everything I really needed to know... | ...by the time I left kindergarten.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Snowshoe- cold feet? Tis funny that you say you don't understand, when you do! You have resounded my point in a fresh manner, an intellectual response most would say.. without arrogance. I cannot agree that arrogance is crucial to intelligence as it is a by-product of intelligence! Let me clarify.... I think the biggest point I am trying to make (in my roundabout way of doing so) is that arrogance and intelligence are due to perception. Buckminster Fuller, Stephen Hawking, David Schwartz, Carnegie, Aristotle, Plato, Archimedes, Socrates... and many, many more people from the present/past have made these and other observations and all have brilliant little anecdotes and referrences to quote, but really, we live in a world that we percieve to be real. Is a car a car? They would say that our brains will translate the picture we see and intepret it in the brain to show what we believe to be real, but does it really look like that? All humans would agree it would as we have been trained to see it that way... If you are colour blind, do colours really exist!? The thing is, these brain boxes can be wrong too. Hawking made a big noise over his perception of black hole theory for some years, proven wrong later and he admitted it eventually. So arrogance, cannot really be the indication of being right, just the perception of someone being right or not in the opinion of the perciever. Same with intelligence. Remember, people thought the world was flat because they could not see beyond the horizon, which they percieved to be flat.... it goes on forever, just like I could hehe... Pygmy's in New York, hmm is that busking with a blow pipe? Thanks Crackup & Snowshoe, like the way you guys think... Stalky, if everything could be fixed with sex, wouldn't that be nice? Empathy is important, but again, a small part of the human condition (so is sex). Who cares about the carbon tax, the small insignificant changes that people get so hung up over missing the bigger picture, made by governments and those in power when we are struggling to understand how WE work? Ask any high end economist, they will tell you that our current socio-economic situation is doomed to fail. The capitilist society we live in will inflate and de-value until one day it cannot be sustained anymore, so why do we get so hung up on these small details? Money is now created by a click of the computer keyboard and really has no value, unlike it's origins (where money was based on resourses and actually contained value in the coins etc..). We, or our kids, grand kids and generations to come will find it harder and harder to survive until one day, the changes will need to be made, so it is not worth the brain power? They already screw us to the wall, they just keep finding different ways of doing it. But this is straying from the point of this forum me thinks....
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RHP User
14 years ago
To quote the OP - " Always seemed to me that people of real 'intelligence' were open minded, and able to critically analyse others opinions, free of bias and preconception (oh yes, and free of becoming attacking, defensive and villifying) - willing to take accept arguments that challenged their own thinking, break it down, internalise it, and from there, further crystalise their understanding of others, themselves and the world."So by this logic, does this mean that those who believe in scientific fact are intelligent, and those who are religious are arrogant...? Ahhhh....Ignorance IS bliss...and I just simply don't care....
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RHP User
14 years ago
Hi KdThat's ur assumption that people who are religious are close minded. To some degree, when we have a 'belief', whether it be scientific or religious, we are biased (when I say 'free of bias' - they can put aside their own perspective and examine something free of their own inherent belief system). An open minded person I should think, of either persuasion, could hold a discussion, and consider the other persons perspective - whether in the end, they are swayed by that discussion and or consideration is moot. Well, not entirely moot, it is this sort of catalytic interaction which gives rise to new ideas, systems, modes of thought, etc.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'KD7884' To quote the OP - " Always seemed to me that people of real 'intelligence' were open minded, and able to critically analyse others opinions, free of bias and preconception (oh yes, and free of becoming attacking, defensive and villifying) - willing to take accept arguments that challenged their own thinking, break it down, internalise it, and from there, further crystalise their understanding of others, themselves and the world." I agree that an open mind can be vital for incremental changes, as they usually just require examination from a slightly different perspective and the patience to explore the result of that view. For landmark changes though, the best approach seems to be absolute single-mindedness and an ability to completely ignore prevailing wisdom.When Albert Einstein was producing his annus mirabilis papers in 1905, he had very few avenues for discussion, partly because of the intellect required to grasp what he was proposing and partly because very few scientists were open to his ideas. His main outlet for discussion was Michele Besso - a fellow employee of the Patent office where he worked in Bern, Switzerland.Perhaps the ideal intelligence toolset changes depending on the nature of the problem? That would be kind of weird...
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RHP User
14 years ago
lmfao... Oh now I get it. I think I'd like to trial all my ideas on red hot pie members... you know.. because very few people outside RHP are open to my ideas. :)HugsStalky Quoting 'Snowshoe' Quoting 'KD7884' To quote the OP - " Always seemed to me that people of real 'intelligence' were open minded, and able to critically analyse others opinions, free of bias and preconception (oh yes, and free of becoming attacking, defensive and villifying) - willing to take accept arguments that challenged their own thinking, break it down, internalise it, and from there, further crystalise their understanding of others, themselves and the world." I agree that an open mind can be vital for incremental changes, as they usually just require examination from a slightly different perspective and the patience to explore the result of that view. For landmark changes though, the best approach seems to be absolute single-mindedness and an ability to completely ignore prevailing wisdom.When Albert Einstein was producing his annus mirabilis papers in 1905, he had very few avenues for discussion, partly because of the intellect required to grasp what he was proposing and partly because very few scientists were open to his ideas. His main outlet for discussion was Michele Besso - a fellow employee of the Patent office where he worked in Bern, Switzerland.Perhaps the ideal intelligence toolset changes depending on the nature of the problem? That would be kind of weird...
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'stalky' lmfao... Oh now I get it. I think I'd like to trial all my ideas on red hot pie members... you know.. because very few people outside RHP are open to my ideas. :) If they're wild enough, perhaps you should get a job in the patent office and see if you can't protect some of your intellectual property...
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'Casper74'I cannot agree that arrogance is crucial to intelligence as it is a by-product of intelligence! Let me clarify.... I think the biggest point I am trying to make (in my roundabout way of doing so) is that arrogance and intelligence are due to perception... Embarking on a journey to prove a radical hypothesis requires a certain degree of arrogance... or whatever you might call it. Irrefutable proof means the returning explorer is regaled as a genius with unparalleled foresight, whereas failure sees them labelled an arrogant crackpot. Either way, if they don't have the arrogance to set out on the journey, their intelligence (or lack thereof) is never tested. Intelligence is impotent without arrogance - one must dare to think.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Snowshoe "Embarking on a journey to prove a radical hypothesis requires a certain degree of arrogance... or whatever you might call it. Irrefutable proof means the returning explorer is regaled as a genius with unparalleled foresight, whereas failure sees them labelled an arrogant crackpot. Either way, if they don't have the arrogance to set out on the journey, their intelligence (or lack thereof) is never tested. Intelligence is impotent without arrogance - one must dare to think." I agree with most that you say, but arrogance is a thrid party perception, not our own. We don't necessarily think we are arrogant when we believe something, it is others that do. Confidence, breaking from tradition and the courage to do what others won't for fear of change are the driving factors. I agree that close mindedness to a achieve the result is sometimes necessary to protect ones self from the norm, reducing influence, but embarking on the journey exploring a new idea is liberating and if proven right, sometimes genius. I don't think this is arrogant, but you might? As a non-conformist myself, I see these beliefs as exciting and revolutionary, not conceitedness. Most of the population wouldn't and would dismiss it til proven right. Ahh, what a world we live in....
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RHP User
14 years ago
I can sort of see where Snowy is headed. I think you need an air of arrogance to take up the challenge to design the future plans for Canberra for example. Anyone who thinks they have the ability to dictate to the rest of us how our city should be planned has to have some don't you think? Of course, you don't have to be overbearing about it though. Having come up with the master plan, presented it to us and ensured that it has been adopted and imposed upon us, you have time then to be humble about it. It is probably different with a 30 second idea... you know .. .I mean advertising... pfffttt... what an easy job that is.... and they've got no reason to be cocky calling themselves ideas men.... what a joke. :pHugsStalky
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RHP User
14 years ago
Thank you for all the wonderful contributions..and a great discussion..Arrogance: Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance. thefreedictionary.comself–con·fi·dence. noun \-ˈkän-fə-dən(t)s, -ˌden(t)s\. Definition of SELF-CONFIDENCE. : confidence in oneself and in one's powers and abilities ..I think you definitely need 'self confidence' in presenting anything in life..be it new ideas, concepts, intellectual property, discoveries, etc, etc ... it's sometimes unfortunate that the fist in the velvet glove is arrogance.. Maybe we should start a new thread... can humility co-exist with brilliance..or something to that effect.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'CrackUp' I think you definitely need 'self confidence' in presenting anything in life..be it new ideas, concepts, intellectual property, discoveries, etc, etc ... it's sometimes unfortunate that the fist in the velvet glove is arrogance.. Maybe we should start a new thread... can humility co-exist with brilliance..or something to that effect. Yes and as Casper quite rightly points out, the line between arrogance and confidence is subjective, and depends on the opinion of the person making the assessment. It may not be possible to come up with any definitive answers, but it's a very cool topic nonetheless!
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RHP User
14 years ago
I have deliberately stayed away from this topic as I have been accused of arrogance on the odd occassion. Do I care? Not one bit. I am intelligent. I am also academic. I have the confidence and the balls to back up what I believe is right and if that makes me arrogant then so be it. I can live with that. What does amuse me is the language people use. Some virtually spout a thesaurus to get thier point across when a childs dictionary would do. I have never been big on using four words when one would work just as well. (something my Law lecturers lamented often). The arrogant may often have closed minds, but it has been my experience that the ignorant are more close minded as they see only one way.....thiers....they lack the ability to see any other way. I have sat and listened to people discussing economics that have absolutely no clue at all and have had to walk away shaking my head as the other parties did not have the ability to recognise thier error in thinking or judgement. That to me is ignorance...not arrogance. Because I recognised the futility of attempting to change thier minds....that is intelligence, not arrogantly believing that I am right and starting a no win arguement to prove it.
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RHP User
14 years ago
You might not have started it..but..you had to finish it. Quoting 'fionabee''...not arrogantly believing that I am right and starting a no win arguement to prove it..but you had to finish it .. right .
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RHP User
14 years ago
unfortunately you will find that those who pretend intelligence are invariably arrogant..... and those who are arrogant are invariably less than intelligent.....
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RHP User
14 years ago
"What is the difference between genius and stupidity? Genius has limits." | Albert Einstein...who did not speak until he was 4-years-old and did not read until he was 7. He was expelled from school and was refused admittance to the Zurich Polytech. He did eventually learn to speak and read....and even to do a little math. | If memory serves...one of his classics was his refusal to accept that rote memory (such as how many feet in a mile) was necessary to either learning or knowledge. If you can look it up in a book...why keep it in your head? | Guess that would have made him a bit arrogant...imagine telling people that you really didn't need or want to know what they knew? Pity about the frequent bad hair days and that sloppy mustache...those were other Einstein trademarks too. |
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'ChasingMidnight' "What is the difference between genius and stupidity? Genius has limits." | Albert Einstein...who did not speak until he was 4-years-old and did not read until he was 7. He was expelled from school and was refused admittance to the Zurich Polytech. He did eventually learn to speak and read....and even to do a little math. Math wasn't actually his strength - his wife was better at pure mathematics and he frequently had other scientists check his work. The beauty of him was his ability to unshackle himself from conventional wisdom and let his amazing mind wander unfettered. I'm an absolute fan - his concepts still occasionally solve mysteries over a hundred years after he presented them.If you want to read about an amazing mathematician, have a look at Paul Erdos. He was a complete speed freak, totally antisocial, unable to tie his laces or make a sandwich (let alone brush his teeth), but able to see mathematics as a language rather than a picture. Stunning! That sort of intellect fascinates me. As an evil genius, I'm constantly on the lookout for minds like that to add to my stable...
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'mikeandshel' unfortunately you will find that those who pretend intelligence are invariably arrogant..... and those who are arrogant are invariably less than intelligent..... Often perhaps, but not invariably. Some minds earn the right to be vociferous about convincing others. I wish mine was one of them...
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'CrackUp'You might not have started it..but..you had to finish it. Quoting 'fionabee''...not arrogantly believing that I am right and starting a no win arguement to prove it..but you had to finish it .. right . Because some do not have the intelligence to recognise that another point of view may be more right than thiers. Sometimes, the arguement is futile and walking away is the only option.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'Snowshoe' Quoting 'mikeandshel' unfortunately you will find that those who pretend intelligence are invariably arrogant..... and those who are arrogant are invariably less than intelligent..... Often perhaps, but not invariably. Some minds earn the right to be vociferous about convincing others. I wish mine was one of them... .................but you wont find them here..........they move in circles far removed from this place.........
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'mikeandshel' unfortunately you will find that those who pretend intelligence are invariably arrogant..... and those who are arrogant are invariably less than intelligent..... Now that I read it again, it seems that you're saying that stupid people are arrogant and arrogant people are stupid. If as you say those people don't move in this circle, I think you just gave us all a pat on the back...
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Genius_Ironman
14 years ago
I am a director of Mensa Australia, and a member of the Triple Nine Society. I have met hundreds of elite intellectuals, both in person & online. I have also slept with enough to gauge the difference. You seem to assuming that increased IQ confers some sort of immunity to cognitive bias, a bit of time in the high IQ forums will quickly dispel this idea. TNS is worse than Mensa, with even more ad hominems & less reasoned debate. Maybe these people are just not used to being wrong. In terms of sexuality, more IQ points is better. The best sex I have ever had has been with other Mensans, intellect really does matter IMHO.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'Snowshoe' Quoting 'mikeandshel' unfortunately you will find that those who pretend intelligence are invariably arrogant..... and those who are arrogant are invariably less than intelligent..... Now that I read it again, it seems that you're saying that stupid people are arrogant and arrogant people are stupid. If as you say those people don't move in this circle, I think you just gave us all a pat on the back... i never mentioned the word 'stupid'...and its 'minds that earn the right to be vociferous' who dont move in this circle....I've certainly not found any of this ilk posting on these forums....just a few verbose and opinionated individuals..........the 'ordinary' mix you'd meet just about anywhere......
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'malmensa'... The best sex I have ever had has been with other Mensans, intellect really does matter IMHO.No, I"m sure u r absolutely right Mal, IQ does not preclude cognitive bias..that was purely wishful thinking on my part but I'm fascinated by what you said re.. 'intellect really does matter' with regard to sex. Can you share with me why..what's been your experience (I'm not be facetious - I really am curious as to what prompted u to say that)? I know they say the biggest sexual organ is the brain - maybe you are onto something and instead of gulping down large amounts of viagra, watching a wide selection of porn..and frequenting places like RHP, if we want to improve our sex lives, we should do a crossword..or read a good book .
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'malmensa' I am a director of Mensa Australia, and a member of the Triple Nine Society. I have met hundreds of elite intellectuals, both in person & online. I have also slept with enough to gauge the difference. You seem to assuming that increased IQ confers some sort of immunity to cognitive bias, a bit of time in the high IQ forums will quickly dispel this idea. TNS is worse than Mensa, with even more ad hominems & less reasoned debate. Maybe these people are just not used to being wrong. In terms of sexuality, more IQ points is better. The best sex I have ever had has been with other Mensans, intellect really does matter IMHO. thanks for that....my point is proven....arrogance at its best....tell me tho...why has Mensa Australia posted their email addresses but spelt out the 'at' and 'dot' in them? I've long wondered this......... is it a 'know more but understand less' type of deal? how smart are they? really? intellect matters little.......its understanding, empathy and even Emotional Quotient.......
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RHP User
14 years ago
lolz... ok... Now... Ziss vill not Urt vone little bit.... burt before I agree to root you... please lie down on ziss little cooch... and let me ask view serm qvestshuns.....Vun: If a bird in the bush iz worth two in the hand.... vot is in my hand?..... .etcHUgsStalkyQuoting 'malmensa' I am a director of Mensa Australia, and a member of the Triple Nine Society. I have met hundreds of elite intellectuals, both in person & online. I have also slept with enough to gauge the difference. You seem to assuming that increased IQ confers some sort of immunity to cognitive bias, a bit of time in the high IQ forums will quickly dispel this idea. TNS is worse than Mensa, with even more ad hominems & less reasoned debate. Maybe these people are just not used to being wrong. In terms of sexuality, more IQ points is better. The best sex I have ever had has been with other Mensans, intellect really does matter IMHO.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Sometimes I see a statement as an equation...helps my feeble mind to draw a conclusion, or question the hypothesis. Maybe just some dysfunction of my neuro-synapse interpretations of the of the more obvious sensory inputs. Who knows...could just be old timers disease. Quoting 'Snowshoe'Now that I read it again, it seems that you're saying that stupid people are arrogant and arrogant people are stupid. If as you say those people don't move in this circle, I think you just gave us all a pat on the back... I took the same statement and it looked a bit like this...substituting the word absolute. | x=y(absolute) and y=x(absolute) therefore y(absolute)=x(absolute) | Help me, Einstein...that theory is absolute nonsense. | Besides...intelligent people do like to get laid once in a while. We know that somewhere in an underground laboratory, maybe even in France...some stupidly arrogant scientist might just muck up a test and blow the world into molecular particles. I think I would prefer to go out with a bang too....I just hope they give us all a one hour warning.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'CrackUp' Don,t you watch The Big Bang Theory on Tv lol (-: those guys get or the hot girls Quoting 'malmensa'... The best sex I have ever had has been with other Mensans, intellect really does matter IMHO.No, I"m sure u r absolutely right Mal, IQ does not preclude cognitive bias..that was purely wishful thinking on my part but I'm fascinated by what you said re.. 'intellect really does matter' with regard to sex. Can you share with me why..what's been your experience (I'm not be facetious - I really am curious as to what prompted u to say that)? I know they say the biggest sexual organ is the brain - maybe you are onto something and instead of gulping down large amounts of viagra, watching a wide selection of porn..and frequenting places like RHP, if we want to improve our sex lives, we should do a crossword..or read a good book .
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RHP User
14 years ago
Lolz, Hot, it is shame on me..and I have learnt my lesson...I am off down to the library as we speak..to pick me up a hunky geek (lol...couldn't resist the rhyme..I won't be giving up my day job anytime soon hehe).
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RHP User
14 years ago
Nothing that dude malmensa said was offensive or arrogant... are you reading the same stuff as I am? I mean, he was critical of high iq because they suffer from pig headed_ness like the rest of us brain damaged ruff nuts.. but in his experience clever people make better lovers... fair cop I'd say.. maybe they do... well fuck them I say! :pHUgsStalky Quoting 'mikeandshel' Quoting 'malmensa' I am a director of Mensa Australia, and a member of the Triple Nine Society. I have met hundreds of elite intellectuals, both in person & online. I have also slept with enough to gauge the difference. You seem to assuming that increased IQ confers some sort of immunity to cognitive bias, a bit of time in the high IQ forums will quickly dispel this idea. TNS is worse than Mensa, with even more ad hominems & less reasoned debate. Maybe these people are just not used to being wrong. In terms of sexuality, more IQ points is better. The best sex I have ever had has been with other Mensans, intellect really does matter IMHO. thanks for that....my point is proven....arrogance at its best....tell me tho...why has Mensa Australia posted their email addresses but spelt out the 'at' and 'dot' in them? I've long wondered this......... is it a 'know more but understand less' type of deal? how smart are they? really? intellect matters little.......its understanding, empathy and even Emotional Quotient.......
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Genius_Ironman
14 years ago
..tell me tho...why has Mensa Australia posted their email addresses but spelt out the 'at' and 'dot' in them? I've long wondered this......... is it a 'know more but understand less' type of deal? The email addresses are kludged to dissuade the spam-bots. If you make the mistake of putting an obvious email address in a frequently accessed web page, you soon get inundated with shitloads of garbage.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Very Cute Crackup Anyway Hey Malmensa Man , please please write some more stuff , we almost stop lols well , not yet , but it could happen. (-; Sorry I,m bad , forgive me i realy would like to know how you use Mensa to pick up chicks Quoting 'CrackUp' Lolz, Hot, it is shame on me..and I have learnt my lesson...I am off down to the library as we speak..to pick me up a hunky geek (lol...couldn't resist the rhyme..I won't be giving up my day job anytime soon hehe).
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'mikeandshel' Quoting 'Snowshoe' Quoting 'mikeandshel' i never mentioned the word 'stupid'...and its 'minds that earn the right to be vociferous' who dont move in this circle....I've certainly not found any of this ilk posting on these forums....just a few verbose and opinionated individuals..........the 'ordinary' mix you'd meet just about anywhere......Is to me a prime example of arrogance over intelligence. Well done!
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RHP User
14 years ago
I am in a Position as a Spiritual Woman not only to hear what People say, see what their opinions are online but I Connewct with their nnerselves so I also feel where they are coming from by their emotional involvement what caused this way of thinking. I embrace every Individuals right to voice their Opinion, be it similar to mine but I enjoy it more especially when it's different, I learn to open my mind to other perspectives. I listen weigh up their point of view and take on what is relevent for me.Thanks to all who cross My Path, share a little of themselves with me.If we do so whilst enjoying a Sexual interlude all the better he!he!.Enoy Lu :)
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RHP User
14 years ago
The only way you can avoid spam bots and show an email address in it's standard form is if it resides on an image...then it does not read it on the web page and they are there constantly. These clever little bots can even peel it off an unencrypted .pdf document if you have one resident on your site. I use a heavily coded @mangle PHP script that is as long as a bad week to tag the underlying code in every "contact us" form on all the websites that I run. That is also why so many sites now use the "Captcha" codes that are so much fun to read. | Quoting 'stalky'... are you reading. Don't be presumptuous...that may also make you arrogant and possibly, candidate for Mensa. |
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RHP User
14 years ago
lolz.. I freely admit to being arrogant... I find being that way saves time .. you know... not having to explain why I am right in soothing tones.HUgsS Quoting 'ChasingMidnight'Quoting 'stalky'... are you reading. Don't be presumptuous...that may also make you arrogant and possibly, candidate for Mensa. |
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RHP User
14 years ago
Actually, if I can slide in under the radar...I really would like to be in Mensa, not because I'm smart but because there are a lot of hot chicks there. | Quoting 'stalky'You know... not having to explain why I am right in soothing tones. Save that for sneaking up on them in the library...shhh don't talk too loud. The good news is that they read a lot and quite a few wear glasses? I have been told I am arrogant and sometimes smart...but inevitably I am told I am better looking if they can't quite see or half blind drunk. | Wonder if there is a pub anywhere near the library? |
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'fionabee' Quoting 'mikeandshel' Quoting 'Snowshoe' Quoting 'mikeandshel' i never mentioned the word 'stupid'...and its 'minds that earn the right to be vociferous' who dont move in this circle....I've certainly not found any of this ilk posting on these forums....just a few verbose and opinionated individuals..........the 'ordinary' mix you'd meet just about anywhere......Is to me a prime example of arrogance over intelligence. Well done! oh no...you had that well and truly covered with your earlier post.....the congratulations go to you... i aspire to be as accomplished as yourself.......
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'malmensa' ..tell me tho...why has Mensa Australia posted their email addresses but spelt out the 'at' and 'dot' in them? I've long wondered this......... is it a 'know more but understand less' type of deal? The email addresses are kludged to dissuade the spam-bots. If you make the mistake of putting an obvious email address in a frequently accessed web page, you soon get inundated with shitloads of garbage. its called 'email harvesting'....and posting it as a graphic is a much better solution than spelling it out..........
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'malmensa' I am a director of Mensa Australia, and a member of the Triple Nine Society. I have met hundreds of elite intellectuals, both in person & online. I have also slept with enough to gauge the difference. You seem to assuming that increased IQ confers some sort of immunity to cognitive bias, a bit of time in the high IQ forums will quickly dispel this idea. TNS is worse than Mensa, with even more ad hominems & less reasoned debate. Maybe these people are just not used to being wrong. In terms of sexuality, more IQ points is better. The best sex I have ever had has been with other Mensans, intellect really does matter IMHO. sooo...how does it go when you play with a 'woman'.....or dont you guys do 'inter-species' stuff?
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Genius_Ironman
14 years ago
Sorry I,m bad , forgive me i realy would like to know how you use Mensa to pick up chicks Woman have a diverse range of requirements in a partner, but my observations are that generally: Tall > Short. Rich > Poor. Hung > Small. Smart > Dumb. Sure this is not universal. I am certain there are ladies out there who fantasise about a broke, stupid dwarf who is hung like a cashew, but that would be a bit unusual. Theses parameters can also have limits, 6ft tall beats 5ft, but 7ft might be silly, a 7” cock trumps 5” but 10” might be too much. Likewise, Mensan is better than average, but genius might be over the top & just intimidating. I have profile that I think appeal to some, I am certain I do better with women than average, both online & in the real world, and intellect helps more than it hinders. I have certainly had women initially approach me due to Mensan status. In a few cases they have wanted me to knock them up, which is a bit weird. Some of the Mensa parties are a lot of fun, at the big USA gatherings I would have trouble NOT getting laid. I also keep inadvertently hooking up online with Mensan ladies & couples, just by frequenting the non-public forums. Kinda annoying, as this usually involves long flights.
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Genius_Ironman
14 years ago
Quoting 'ChasingMidnight' | Albert Einstein...who did not speak until he was 4-years-old and did not read until he was 7. He was expelled from school and was refused admittance to the Zurich Polytech. He did eventually learn to speak and read....and even to do a little math. | If memory serves...one of his classics was his refusal to accept that rote memory (such as how many feet in a mile) was necessary to either learning or knowledge. If you can look it up in a book...why keep it in your head? | Guess that would have made him a bit arrogant...imagine telling people that you really didn't need or want to know what they knew? Pity about the frequent bad hair days and that sloppy mustache...those were other Einstein trademarks too. | Old Albert got a lot of bad press. however I guess the pictures speak for themselves. He was also a body builder & embraced open relationships, he had a string of mistresses on the go even when he was married. He probably would have felt right at home her.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Leave the forum for a few days and everything goes silly... loving this repartee! Nice to see we have a Mensa representative here.... and director too... look forward to your enlightnement on the subject matter. Since we form our own opinions, have different perceptions of the same thing and often loose outside perspective, it really comes down to us. As a coach in life and business, I specialise in changing people's perspective in a manner which helps them create understanding. Isn't it really all about the perspective then? Being open to see it in a different light- a paradigm shift? The more we do this in life, the more we are able to learn, but then the more illigent or arrogant we seem to become (to others). It is like identical twins walking along the street, which is which! Until you know them well enough to recognise their differences, they can often be seen as being one in the same. Our lives and thoughts are haunted by contradiction...
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RHP User
14 years ago
I also have a "little bit" of quiet internet knowledge hanging off the back end of my sneak attack plans to meet the hot chicks in Mensa. And here I thought Albert was just a nerdy old professor that would have well above the "If you really want a passing mark...let's negotiate" stage in the development of his EQ. Let's not invite him here...the competition is already pretty tough and most of these ladies say they prefer intelligent men! | Quoting 'malmensa' Sorry I,m bad , forgive me i realy would like to know how you use Mensa to pick up chicks Woman have a diverse range of requirements in a partner, but my observations are that generally: Tall > Short. Rich > Poor. Hung > Small. Smart > Dumb. Sure this is not universal. I am certain there are ladies out there who fantasies about a broke, stupid dwarf who is hung like a cashew, but that would be a bit unusual. Theses parameters can also have limits, 6ft tall beats 5ft, but 7ft might be silly, a 7” cock trumps 5” but 10” might be too much. Likewise, Mensan is better than average, but genius might be over the top & just intimidating. I have profile that I think appeal to some, I am certain I do better with women than average, both online & in the real world, and intellect helps more than it hinders. I have certainly had women initially approach me due to Mensan status. In a few cases they have wanted me to knock them up, which is a bit weird. Some of the Mensa parties are a lot of fun, at the big USA gatherings I would have trouble NOT getting laid. I also keep inadvertently hooking up online with Mensan ladies & couples, just by frequenting the non-public forums. Kinda annoying, as this usually involves long flights. It's just an syntax error that occurs server side when you accidentally repeat quotes....it happens sometimes in these .aspx driven forums. Easy fix....enjoy. You probably should have taken up the offers to breed...Darwin's theory inevitably proves correct in both the short and long term. |
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Genius_Ironman
14 years ago
Quoting 'Hotsexycouple88' maybe you are onto something and instead of gulping down large amounts of viagra, watching a wide selection of porn..and frequenting places like RHP, if we want to improve our sex lives, we should do a crossword..or read a good book . Classic false dichotomy, none of those activities are mutually exclusive. Quoting 'Hotsexycouple88' Quoting 'CrackUp' Don,t you watch The Big Bang Theory on Tv lol (-: those guys get or the hot girls Quoting 'malmensa'... The best sex I have ever had has been with other Mensans, intellect really does matter IMHO.No, I"m sure u r absolutely right Mal, IQ does not preclude cognitive bias..that was purely wishful thinking on my part but I'm fascinated by what you said re.. 'intellect really does matter' with regard to sex. Can you share with me why..what's been your experience (I'm not be facetious - I really am curious as to what prompted u to say that)? I know they say the biggest sexual organ is the brain - maybe you are onto something and instead of gulping down large amounts of viagra, watching a wide selection of porn..and frequenting places like RHP, if we want to improve our sex lives, we should do a crossword..or read a good book .
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Genius_Ironman
14 years ago
Quoting 'mikeandshel' Quoting 'malmensa' I am a director of Mensa Australia, and a member of the Triple Nine Society. I have met hundreds of elite intellectuals, both in person & online. I have also slept with enough to gauge the difference. You seem to assuming that increased IQ confers some sort of immunity to cognitive bias, a bit of time in the high IQ forums will quickly dispel this idea. TNS is worse than Mensa, with even more ad hominems & less reasoned debate. Maybe these people are just not used to being wrong. In terms of sexuality, more IQ points is better. The best sex I have ever had has been with other Mensans, intellect really does matter IMHO. sooo...how does it go when you play with a 'woman'.....or dont you guys do 'inter-species' stuff? Meh, beastiality has its place I guess.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Mal, your just a naughty little boy with a penis.... and a brain lol.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Woe is me, I don't belong to Mensa and I can't multi task.. so it's either the porn.. or the crossword. Mm decisions, decisions.
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RHP User
14 years ago
In that case Quoting 'mikeandshel' Oh no...you had that well and truly covered with your earlier post.....the congratulations go to you... i aspire to be as accomplished as yourself....... There will be no prizes for which one you aspire to then for I have already admited to arrogance...... The arrogant may often have closed minds, but it has been my experience that the ignorant are more close minded as they see only one way.....thiers....they lack the ability to see any other way Gotta love a fucking try hard.
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Genius_Ironman
14 years ago
Quoting 'CrackUp'Woe is me, I don't belong to Mensa and I can't multi task.. so it's either the porn.. or the crossword. Mm decisions, decisions. Maybe start with something simpler. Ever tried to walk & chew gum?
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RHP User
14 years ago
I am sure if you look... | Quoting 'CrackUp' I can't multi task.. so it's either the porn.. or the crossword. Mm decisions, decisions. | ...you would have no trouble finding a book full of porn crossword puzzles. Jigsaw puzzles...there you go, and hide the last piece from yourself for a big finish. | M Y BUKKAKE A DICK |||U |||MASTURBATION |
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Genius_Ironman
14 years ago
Quoting 'CrackUp' Woe is me, I don't belong to Mensa and I can't multi task.. Hmm, I guess that explains in part why Mensans are better at group sex.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Lolz, Midnight..that's too funny. Hey u should patent that idea..it just may take off hehe. Mm Mal, I did once upon a time. I tripped and got stuck to the pavement where all the arrogant bastards who can multi task took great pleasure in laughing at my indignity, sigh.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'fionabee' In that case Quoting 'mikeandshel' Oh no...you had that well and truly covered with your earlier post.....the congratulations go to you... i aspire to be as accomplished as yourself....... There will be no prizes for which one you aspire to then for I have already admited to arrogance...... The arrogant may often have closed minds, but it has been my experience that the ignorant are more close minded as they see only one way.....thiers....they lack the ability to see any other way Gotta love a fucking try hard. u take my compliment and turn it into a nasty? oh my....i try to be nice and i get what? sarcasm?......and here i was gettn all warm and fuzzy for you......lol.........
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RHP User
14 years ago
...if you figured out that you could let go of the gum and stand up, your innovative. | Some people are just gum suckers and not smart enough to just let go of it. | Ahhh word games instead of crossword or jigsaw puzzles...let's give it a go? | A shum dit...got in in one, is a dumb shit. | So, if like a little kid you habitually have them in your mouth, what's a...finger sucker? | ...I can sing, too.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'malmensa' .I have also slept with enough to gauge the difference........ . The best sex I have ever had has been with other Mensans, intellect really does matter IMHO. So, whats your pick up line............or do you give your sexual partners a test first? Juz kiddin
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'Nick_Wilde' I could argue that I am an intellectual, not an academic. I don't have a degree. I could also argue that there are different types of intelligence, and that intelligence itself is not the same as intellect or the ability to articulate thought or speech across a diverse array of mediums. I am the first to admit, I am a narcissistic, self-absorbed, often vacuous, vapid, empty blank-slate of a human being without any intrinsic meaning, my awareness of which brings me no closer to peace. Some people, un-intellectual people would probably try and misconstrue this as arrogance, but in my experience, it is merely a coping mechanism that I use to try and overcompensate for the things I don't feel. Things like basic human emotion, that most people take for granted on a daily basis - and I can make it look incredibly authentically human, but at the end of the day, its only to 'fit in' and to serve the selfish ends of my own means... because if you were to look behind the witticisms, the sardonic humour and the pithy social observations, and scrape away the gimp mask of my normalcy... I guarantee you, you wouldn't like what you see.... Wow Nick I think this is the most open and honest thing you've said to date, are you going all soft and mushy - if so come over here and give us a big hug!!!Quoting 'fionabee' I have deliberately stayed away from this topic as I have been accused of arrogance on the odd occassion. Do I care? Not one bit. I am intelligent. I am also academic. I have the confidence and the balls to back up what I believe is right and if that makes me arrogant then so be it. I can live with that. What does amuse me is the language people use. Some virtually spout a thesaurus to get thier point across when a childs dictionary would do. I have never been big on using four words when one would work just as well. (something my Law lecturers lamented often). The arrogant may often have closed minds, but it has been my experience that the ignorant are more close minded as they see only one way.....thiers....they lack the ability to see any other way. I have sat and listened to people discussing economics that have absolutely no clue at all and have had to walk away shaking my head as the other parties did not have the ability to recognise thier error in thinking or judgement. That to me is ignorance...not arrogance. Because I recognised the futility of attempting to change thier minds....that is intelligence, not arrogantly believing that I am right and starting a no win arguement to prove it. I'm also one for keeping it simple, seems the intellectuals have to complicate them to make sense of them though!You and I have had our stoushes in the past and I think your sweet little girl had us both pinned as being too alike, I think it was a nice way of her saying we're both belligerent - now I'm not intellectual enough so had to google that big word to see if I had it right?Definition of BELLIGERENT1: waging war; specifically : belonging to or recognized as a state at war and protected by and subject to the laws of war2: inclined to or exhibiting assertiveness, hostility, or combativenesscould it really be? At least we stick to those laws of war - haha I always thought it ludicrous that war can have a set of rules of play!
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RHP User
14 years ago
I do agree that I can be belligerent and freely admit to it. Arrogant...on occassionas but definately intelligent.
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RHP User
14 years ago
So now let me get this straight...so far we are on arrogant intelligence that is inevitably belligerent. or is it inevitable arrogance that shows belligerent intelligence? Jearzus....sooner or later somebody is going to say that being belligerently sarcastic inevitably demonstrates arrogant intelligence? | ...I can live with that.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'ChasingMidnight' So now let me get this straight...so far we are on arrogant intelligence that is inevitably belligerent. or is it inevitable arrogance that shows belligerent intelligence? Jearzus....sooner or later somebody is going to say that being belligerently sarcastic inevitably demonstrates arrogant intelligence? | ...I can live with that. and I thought we were just 'ere to screw
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RHP User
14 years ago
Some intellectual souls I have met, do not display much emotional intelligence and treat others badly.
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RHP User
14 years ago
declaring to the world that you're this that or the other isnt arrogant or clever or even intelligent...... its narcissistic. the 'love mes' amongst us will always tell you how smart they are, how right they are, how sexy they are and how educated they are........shame tho that its really how childish they are that most of us see............
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'Eatplaylove' Some intellectual souls I have met, do not display much emotional intelligence and treat others badly. yes...theres a lot to be said for EQ, but you will find also that the more people know, the less they understand. you cant connect with someone while sneering down your nose at them, or when adopting a position of superiority.....communication is and always will be the cornerstone of any sort of relationship....even one begun here, or one purely meant to be 'play'.......'connecting' at an emotional level is something men do not do well, if at all....unless its at the pub with their wanker mates and they equate 'emotional' with 'drunken'......
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RHP User
14 years ago
That is of course why... | Quoting 'keepingkarma' ...and I thought we were just 'ere to screw ...I was just fuckin' with your head a little, think of it as foreplay.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'mikeandshel' yes...theres a lot to be said for EQ, but you will find also that the more people know, the less they understand. you cant connect with someone while sneering down your nose at them, or when adopting a position of superiority.....communication is and always will be the cornerstone of any sort of relationship....even one begun here, or one purely meant to be 'play'.......'connecting' at an emotional level is something men do not do well, if at all....unless its at the pub with their wanker mates and they equate 'emotional' with 'drunken'...... That's the sort of generalisation that I can't help but take exception to. Men are virtually incapable of connecting at a emotional level and all our mates are wankers? That's a serious sized chip you have on your shoulder. Just out of interest, was that Mike or Shel?
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Genius_Ironman
14 years ago
Quoting 'Eatplaylove'Some intellectual souls I have met, do not display much emotional intelligence and treat others badly. The whole EQ concept is another "naked empower" used to make stupid people feel better about themselves. Much like the “common sense” concept. Neither can be objectively measured, and both have negligible predictive ability. Big crock of shit.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Lol, well done Mal, I think you just proved her point ...
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Genius_Ironman
14 years ago
Quoting 'CrackUp'Lol, well done Mal, I think you just proved her point ... So you too see the naked emperor? I think that proves my point!
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'mikeandshel'. the 'love mes' amongst us will always tell you how smart they are, how right they are, how sexy they are and how educated they are........shame tho that its really how childish they are that most of us see............ because if you dont find anything in yourself to love, how then do you expect others to love you? Then again I would personally find that saying there are no intelligent people on these forums smacks of arrogance in itself. Quoting 'Eatplaylove'Some intellectual souls I have met, do not display much emotional intelligence and treat others badly. Maybe this is because many "intellectual souls" have Aspergers or something similair and actually have trouble with emotional connection. As for emotional intelligence...to me it is an oxymoron. When emotions enter the equation, rational thought leaves.
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RHP User
14 years ago
this is bullshit, i would rather have sex with a dumb woman that has a sense of fun than a boring as brainiac without a sense of fun. sure i do appreciate a woman that has brains but the most important thing is her personality. no offence intended but your post is a perfect example of smart people saying stupid things Quoting 'malmensa' In terms of sexuality, more IQ points is better. The best sex I have ever had has been with other Mensans, intellect really does matter IMHO.
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RHP User
14 years ago
The Top 16 Mensa Pick-Up Lines 16> "This is your brain. This is your brain on my naked thigh. Any questions?" 15> "Could you help me get this tie tack out of my hand?" 14> "Towards what end does a substantially empathetic demoiselle such as yourself inhabit a locus such as this?" 13> "What say we skip this nerd-fest and hit an all-night symposium on Euclidean Geometry?" 12> "Perchance, would you be inclined to participate, at my domicile, sans apparel, in a modicum of copulation?" 11> "It doesn't take a genius to see how gorgeous you are, but if it did, I'd be overqualified." 10> "You'll have to excuse me -- Your presence excites me beyond all capacity for cognitive discourse." 9> "Vini, Vici, Va-va-va-voom!" 8> "You must be tired, because you've been running quadratic equations through my mind all night." 7> "That tape on your glasses really sets off your eyes." 6> "According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Mechanics, we may already be making love right now." 5> "If I were to mention to you that you have a bellus corpus, would you hold it against me?" 4> "I bet your brain stem reaches almost down to your gluteus maximus." 3> "Ooohh, your IQ is 145? I like 'em dumb and strong!" 2> "By visually measuring the wrinkles in the front of your pants, calculating your body mass based on your height and weight, and dividing that number by your waist size -- I conclude that you have absolutely nothing in your pocket and are, in fact, glad to see me." 1> "Baby, I'll have you barking like a *canis familiaris*."
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'fionabee' Quoting 'mikeandshel'. the 'love mes' amongst us will always tell you how smart they are, how right they are, how sexy they are and how educated they are........shame tho that its really how childish they are that most of us see............ because if you dont find anything in yourself to love, how then do you expect others to love you? Then again I would personally find that saying there are no intelligent people on these forums smacks of arrogance in itself.i have plenty of people who love me, so theres no need for me to compensate. if people find they have to signpost and declare that they are 'intelligent' (lol) then theres a problem (called narcissism)..its like they are craving attention, confirmation and approval.(look at me...look at me)....... i dont offer up my past, because frankly, i dont need to, theres nothing i need others to approve or confirm, as i've already done far more than most. my grandchildren behave like this....wanting me to approve and praise them....and.....as to me saying theres no 'intelligent' people here? i think you'll find i said......"unfortunately those who pretend intelligence are invariably arrogant......and those who are arrogant are invariably less than intelligent".................do you not see the word 'pretend'??..........i mean those amongst us who make false claims or assertions of 'intelligence' without actually being able to back the claim up....'intelligence' isnt about what you know.....thats called knowledge......intelligence is about what you do with that knowledge......having a degree does not make you intelligent....it just makes you knowledgeable.....putting the knowledge to use and being successful is intelligent...intellect is about 'knowing' (inherently) or 'problem solving' , you can be an 'intellectual' without really knowing very much..... as its also said to be a 'capacity for knowledge'.....and we all know that some people never have the opportunity to explore that capacity....but,so long as the way you think takes you to the correct answer, or deals with the issue at hand...........problem Solvered........................it really matters little what you call yourself...its what others call you that people hear.......
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RHP User
14 years ago
This EQ is another alien...a lot of talk but no proof that one exists. If you are talking about all the shredded meat left on the floor after the discussions about EI have been entertained...a quick glance at the absurdity of the Goleman model will tell you all you need to know. | It's comfort food for the masses who are starving to find an alternative to intelligence...or the ability to conceptualize abstracts that live within the instability of our very human emotions. Right, so we are always going to have the exact same measurable and moderated reaction to life events...not without a bottle of good scotch and a cohiba sitting close at hand. Oh and a hot chick... | ...sex is a good cure for a bad day. | | And always throw the fish back in the OCEAN.
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Genius_Ironman
14 years ago
Quoting 'CrackUp' Quoting 'malmensa' ... The best sex I have ever had has been with other Mensans, intellect really does matter IMHO. I'm fascinated by what you said re.. 'intellect really does matter' with regard to sex. Can you share with me why..what's been your experience (I'm not be facetious - I really am curious as to what prompted u to say that)? Was just in the USA Mensa forums, and thought of this thread. Some recent straw polls indicted that around half of the USA Mensans are Athiest, in the TNS it is more like 80%. (Remember, this is the USA, where over 80% of the population adhere to an Abrahamic religion). My observations at some of the large, international events have been that individuals are as likely to profess following Paganism, Wicca & Universalist Unitarianism as Christianity of Judaism. Pentagrams are as common as Crucifixes, and there is a smattering of Baphomets. I guess anyone who holds a belief that sex will lead to an eternal torture unless it is done in the dark, missionary position & for purposes of procreation only is going to be somewhat inhibited. Pagans & Wiccans have generally embrace a good shag, and UU & Atheists are not going to be as uptight about it either. Multiple sources can confirm that Athiesm is associated with intelligence.
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