M47
Married men looking for extra fun than what they get at home. acceptable? not acceptable?
June 20 2011
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RHP User
15 years ago
I am with bornagain_evil and board_dude on this..... This is not a morals site...it is a sex site...so please ppl leave all your scruples and judgements at home.... and come out and play.....and let there be sex,In all it's naughtiness...LOL! sorry guys, I cant be expected to be serious.....can I ??.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Not that I object at all to looking at your lovely little navel and that bow as I scrolled through the posts you parked here, but I did laugh just a little thinking about another post you had made...a rather proud reference to a woman driving another little machine? | Quoting 'irresponsibility' mouse clicky thing pretended not to be working... | So now really, and be honest....you're anonymous amongst cyberfriends here anyway. When you were bragging about parking your little car that spun the heads of all the old men, I just have to ask a couple of questions. Did you have warn any of them to get off the sidewalk with the horn blowy thing or did you just run over them without even bothering to glance... | ...in the rear view mirrory thing? | | Go on, do tell...nothing here can be used in court anyway if they happen to sue.
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RHP User
15 years ago
A random thought...but if we had our monkey brains running a little faster, the first of these off the shelf were less biodegradeable than pottery. Now that's quite a legacy to leave behind if you think about it...we might be able to dig through the old sanitary land fills and have a closer look at what some of our then baby politicians dump all over us now in about 500 years or so. I would like to think that we might leave a bit more behind us... | Quoting 'stalky'Yeah... that's all very nice and self serving but nothing we do will make a lick of difference.... as individuals all that is left are examples of our civilisation.. a bit of pottery... perhaps in our case a plastic bottle. Don't know if I agree with this one...a bit minimalistic perhaps? If we look at the broader universe, and I do believe that the acts of the individuals do contribute to society...we leave something, if nothing more than footprints in the sand that are erased over time, behind us as we go and can, whether definitely or nearly infinitely measureable, contribute to that. | Sure, you may build a bridge today that hundreds of cars will be zooming over until somebody tears it down or the molecules interact with the others in our space and it returns to it's more native form. Steel and iron oxidize...right? Doesn't mean nothing was left behind and then you have to ask...what really held it all together in the first place, after all it really is just a mass of molecules bound together by some sort of force we can't really understand.....yet. Oh sure, we give it a name as best we can then along comes somebody 1000 years later and says "Oh gezz...look at what those monkeys believed" and they will be right. The finite mind of man has been doing that for a long time just to rationalize how it all works...and if we can't understand it or explain it, we give it a name and maybe even worship it. Some folks today still even believe in god in a very traditional sense...and hey, it's a great way to control the minds of the masses. | Last thought then back on topic...we could just be sucking in the same molecules of oxygen that fed and nourished the minds and bodies of the dinosaurs. They have just taken a few laps around the planet and are held here by what we call gravity...right? I think we all leave something behind and contribute whether we mean to or not. | Now then, the post by Irresponsibility reminded me of something I heard a long time ago and still kind of scares me at the thought...what if your entire life were made into a DVD and you knew it would be handed to your children, their children and so on down the line? Personally, I would freely admit to wanting to hit edit and leave some of that behind... | ...even though I may already have. | | Not arguing or being a judgemental...just sayin'....now off to change my Depends!
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'fifi55' If you your wife and the third party agree then there is no problem but if you deceive either your wife or the third party then you are taking away their freedom of choice and that is totally unacceptable. Come on guys fess up and we will then decide if we want you
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RHP User
15 years ago
If it was on the other foot and your wife asked the same of this forum what would your answer be? Without knowing the story behind your question, I feel that if you didnt have that connection with your partner to be able to discuss it with them then, its totally cheating and you shouldn't be in that relationship... have your wife ask you the same question and answer it with your heart and not with what other people think... its your marriage not ours...
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RHP User
15 years ago
Crikey !! is this still going... LOL!!!!, we are all born as indivduals and are responsible to ourselves to ensure we do in life what we want and need to do.....Love is love and Play is Play... As long as you are looking after all "other " relationships in your life.... why are we hung up on doing what the animals do on the discovery channel ??....hmmmm ? that sounds like a song lyric... Life is tooooo short ....so enjoy what you have. I hope this is not too inflamitory . because I thought, quoting Cyndy Lauper ( rotton speller if you havnt noticed ) " Girls just want to have fun!" and so do boys.....
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'PurpleMarquis' As long as you are looking after all "other " relationships in your life.... why are we hung up on doing what the animals do on the discovery channel ?? Some animals mate for life and even amongst those that don't, things like familial boundaries are typically respected. Even if that's just to prevent inbreeding, it does dispel the notion that no thought goes into breeding. We're not so different...
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RHP User
15 years ago
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science" | Quoting 'Snowshoe'... things like familial boundaries are typically respected. Even if that's just to prevent inbreeding, it does dispel the notion that no thought goes into breeding. We're not so different... | "Man still bears in his bodily frame the indelible stamp of his lowly origin." | Maybe Charles Darwin was on to something. | | He was a mad scientist too, you know...made monkeys out of us all.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'PurpleMarquis' Crikey !! is this still going... LOL!!!!, we are all born as indivduals and are responsible to ourselves to ensure we do in life what we want and need to do.....Love is love and Play is Play... As long as you are looking after all "other " relationships in your life.... why are we hung up on doing what the animals do on the discovery channel ??....hmmmm ? that sounds like a song lyric... Life is tooooo short ....so enjoy what you have. I hope this is not too inflamitory . because I thought, quoting Cyndy Lauper ( rotton speller if you havnt noticed ) " Girls just want to have fun!" and so do boys.....
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100'Svetlana.... you are hilarious. Ooh I just love your Russian accent baby. hahahahaxxMeeka
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RHP User
15 years ago
Have we now officially solved the meaning of life, the universe and everything???....Or..Are we there yet??...... Sorry If I dont get involved in the moral indignation.......but it is fun to throw bait in the water to see a great big fish take it H...L....and S......make Love not.....endless reams of documents
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RHP User
15 years ago
What if a guy has met a wife on RHP, knows that she is married. Knows that her marriage is on the rocks and his morals are telling him to 'not go there'.But the taste of excitement, lust and adrenalin pumping through one's veins is all too much and the morals are thrown out the window........Do you think the guy that knew she was married was asking her husband for advice? If she's on there she's looking for trouble. But for all the hubby's that are on here looking for 'a bit on the side' then watch out.The women as cunning as you and they're most likely to be watching, waiting and have their lawyer's number on speed dial!!
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'PurpleMarquis' Have we now officially solved the meaning of life, the universe and everything???....Or..Are we there yet??...... Sorry If I dont get involved in the moral indignation.......but it is fun to throw bait in the water to see a great big fish take it H...L....and S......make Love not.....endless reams of documents
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RHP User
15 years ago
Infidelity doesn't much come into it in terms of separation these days in terms of who gets what.It is often considered a relationship breakdown and irreconcilable differences. We aren't quite America. And if they are on here, chances are they are here for the same reasons anyway and stumbled across it.Quoting 'destined71' But for all the hubby's that are on here looking for 'a bit on the side' then watch out.The women as cunning as you and they're most likely to be watching, waiting and have their lawyer's number on speed dial!!
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'secretaffInfidelity doesn't much come into it in terms of separation these days in terms of who gets what.It is often considered a relationship breakdown and irreconcilable differences. We aren't quite America. And if they are on here, chances are they are here for the same reasons anyway and stumbled across it.Quoting 'destined71' But for all the hubby's that are on here looking for 'a bit on the side' then watch out.The women as cunning as you and they're most likely to be watching, waiting and have their lawyer's number on speed dial!!I agree that our laws are different as to those in America. But unfortunately there is nothing to protect one from revenge and what is the way to a man's heart besides sex food and footy??$$$
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RHP User
15 years ago
i am married and my sex life is very slow and boring i try to get my wife to try different things but gets the shits with me and i am not taking extreme kinky or mildly either and i am sorry but it is down right frustrating to the point were i have problems been intamite with her but i do still love her but what about the amount of women on here that are married looking for a little bit more why is no one attacking them
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RHP User
15 years ago
You are So right, I state to all who say to us that their wife is not interested in sex any more/ doesnt understand me etc! Just what are you doing wrong? dont blame her, if you took the time to get to know her likes and dislikesand fantasies then maybe you would be getting much more! If the guy thinks its ok to cheat behind her back, then put the sheets on another floor and ask themselves how would you be if she, your partner/wife/lover was getting hers on the side? fracture your fragile little male ego would it?
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'WIFE2BSHARED' You are So right, I state to all who say to us that their wife is not interested in sex any more/ doesnt understand me etc! Just what are you doing wrong? dont blame her, if you took the time to get to know her likes and dislikesand fantasies then maybe you would be getting much more!Without details that presumably we don't have about any couple who may be suffering these sorts of problems, we aren't able to rationally blame anyone.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'WIFE2BSHARED' You are So right, I state to all who say to us that their wife is not interested in sex any more/ doesnt understand me etc! Just what are you doing wrong? dont blame her, if you took the time to get to know her likes and dislikesand fantasies then maybe you would be getting much more! If the guy thinks its ok to cheat behind her back, then put the sheets on another floor and ask themselves how would you be if she, your partner/wife/lover was getting hers on the side? fracture your fragile little male ego would it?Thats the biggest load of BS ive ever heard, unless you have been in a situation where the woman is not interested no matter what you do or how hard you try to understand or please her and she's still not showing signs of interest ,you have no right to point the blame on the male in the realationship,and people wonder why so many guys have had a gutfull of woman ,with comments like yours we can see why.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'WIFE2BSHARED' You are So right, I state to all who say to us that their wife is not interested in sex any more/ doesnt understand me etc! Just what are you doing wrong? dont blame her, if you took the time to get to know her likes and dislikesand fantasies then maybe you would be getting much more!If only it was that easy....often it is not!
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'safariray' From my personal point of view and experince everyones cirimstances and reasons for looking for a bit on the side are different, if as a couple you have a very happy , loving and sexual realationship you can be blinkered to what is really happening in a lot of other realationships out there!! I was in a marriage where over the last five yrs i was lucky if i had sex half a dozen times a year, I tried everything from reading books on how to revive your marriage and your sex life to having apointments with a therapist, but after months of giving my all and with not one inkling of a responce from my wife , you just give up in the end after so many rejections. During this time not once did i cheat and in hidsight i was a bloody idiot, i ended up leaving and have never looked back , shit i reckon i had more sex in the last 18 mths than the last 6/7 yrs So i say dont condone someones actions until you know their cirimstances,thers a hell of a lot of people out there in the same boat as i was , male and female . I agree,everyone is different and its a big part of a relationship to be connected to each other and once its gone it seems to take away that emtional bond you have together and everyones sexual erges go thru different stages for women after childbirth sometimes changes and also one partner maybe more sexed than the other and if your not getting your emotional and physical needs met most go elswhere.Some people love their partners but not necessary getting the intimacy they need and yes they need to think of safe sex in that case ,its been going on for hundreds of years and will always but are we meant to just have one physical partner? depends on how you think of it .... share the lourrrve i say!!!sensually yours ms twooz xxx
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'WIFE2BSHARED' You are So right, I state to all who say to us that their wife is not interested in sex any more/ doesnt understand me etc! Just what are you doing wrong? dont blame her, if you took the time to get to know her likes and dislikesand fantasies then maybe you would be getting much more! If the guy thinks its ok to cheat behind her back, then put the sheets on another floor and ask themselves how would you be if she, your partner/wife/lover was getting hers on the side? fracture your fragile little male ego would it? we agree.theres never any time where its ok to cheat, and the 'reasons' people offer up are just excuses. if your life at homes not up to par, then fix it or leave. simple logic. to stray but stay for the sake of kids or finances or whatever excuse you can manufacture is neither adult nor reasonable. to stray but stay becasue you 'love' her/him is a ridiculous statement as well......there is no justification for cheating. we always thought that being in love and sharing a life was more about giving to the other than taking or making demands...I have to wonder how people who cheat can stand to look themselves in the mirror or pretend to be a good partner/parent/family person, knowing that theyve betrayed everyone around them, from friends to partner and even children..... no....especially children.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'safariray' Quoting 'WIFE2BSHARED' You are So right, I state to all who say to us that their wife is not interested in sex any more/ doesnt understand me etc! Just what are you doing wrong? dont blame her, if you took the time to get to know her likes and dislikesand fantasies then maybe you would be getting much more! If the guy thinks its ok to cheat behind her back, then put the sheets on another floor and ask themselves how would you be if she, your partner/wife/lover was getting hers on the side? fracture your fragile little male ego would it?Thats the biggest load of BS ive ever heard, unless you have been in a situation where the woman is not interested no matter what you do or how hard you try to understand or please her and she's still not showing signs of interest ,you have no right to point the blame on the male in the realationship,and people wonder why so many guys have had a gutfull of woman ,with comments like yours we can see why. "Oh dear" alright for you love!!If your in a relationship where your partner shows no sign of interest then maybe you should look into getting sex therapy ............because you may just be using that as an excuse for your straying eye.Or your just useless in bed? Useless is harsh isn't it? How about you put yourself in her shoes for a moment and look at yourself and the way she does. You might just get a rude shock and see that your constantly saying 'black' when she's saying 'white' and the tension carries onto into the bedroom.You can have an affair with your wife you know. But deep down you may not want to do that because your so used to comparing her to all those hot singly fillies your roving eye sees day in day out that you don't bloody know what you want!
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'safariray' Quoting 'WIFE2BSHARED' You are So right, I state to all who say to us that their wife is not interested in sex any more/ doesnt understand me etc! Just what are you doing wrong? dont blame her, if you took the time to get to know her likes and dislikesand fantasies then maybe you would be getting much more! If the guy thinks its ok to cheat behind her back, then put the sheets on another floor and ask themselves how would you be if she, your partner/wife/lover was getting hers on the side? fracture your fragile little male ego would it?Thats the biggest load of BS ive ever heard, unless you have been in a situation where the woman is not interested no matter what you do or how hard you try to understand or please her and she's still not showing signs of interest ,you have no right to point the blame on the male in the realationship,and people wonder why so many guys have had a gutfull of woman ,with comments like yours we can see why. "Oh dear" alright for you love!!If your in a relationship where your partner shows no sign of interest then maybe you should look into getting sex therapy ............because you may just be using that as an excuse for your straying eye.Or your just useless in bed? Useless is harsh isn't it? How about you put yourself in her shoes for a moment and look at yourself and the way she does. You might just get a rude shock and see that your constantly saying 'black' when she's saying 'white' and the tension carries onto into the bedroom.You can have an affair with your wife you know. But deep down you may not want to do that because your so used to comparing her to all those hot singly fillies your roving eye sees day in day out that you don't bloody know what you want!
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'irresponsibility' I would say the only people who have the right to determine that are the three people involved. . Your wife - Would it be acceptable to her if for any reason she found out or if you unintentionally caught something and gave it to her? Those are real risks. . You - if you are questioning it yourself, how would proceeding make you feel? Are you willing to accept the above-mentioned risks involved? . The person you are having fun with - If you want it to be acceptable to them then you need to be honest with them. This part is a moot point as your profile states that you are married so it follows that the answer to the third point is 'yes', they will find it acceptable. Personally I'd be really hurt and angry. I'd feel like my life partner was weak and a back stabber. If you talk it through and she doesn't mind you getting a little extra elsewhere then you have been fair to the woman you love. She has said ok, you both set down some basic rules, re condoms etc. She says no, you do it anyway...makes you selfish in my eyes. But hay its not about me...so as quoted above covers it really. If you talk in theory at first about a thing you heard on the radio etc this would allow you to get a feel for her side before you outright bring it up. Are you looking for aproval? Justification? From stranges who you are not acountable to? Just a thought.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'destined71' Quoting 'safariray' Quoting 'WIFE2BSHARED' You are So right, I state to all who say to us that their wife is not interested in sex any more/ doesnt understand me etc! Just what are you doing wrong? dont blame her, if you took the time to get to know her likes and dislikesand fantasies then maybe you would be getting much more! If the guy thinks its ok to cheat behind her back, then put the sheets on another floor and ask themselves how would you be if she, your partner/wife/lover was getting hers on the side? fracture your fragile little male ego would it?Thats the biggest load of BS ive ever heard, unless you have been in a situation where the woman is not interested no matter what you do or how hard you try to understand or please her and she's still not showing signs of interest ,you have no right to point the blame on the male in the realationship,and people wonder why so many guys have had a gutfull of woman ,with comments like yours we can see why. "Oh dear" alright for you love!! If your in a relationship where your partner shows no sign of interest then maybe you should look into getting sex therapy ............because you may just be using that as an excuse for your straying eye. Or your just useless in bed? Useless is harsh isn't it? How about you put yourself in her shoes for a moment and look at yourself and the way she does. You might just get a rude shock and see that your constantly saying 'black' when she's saying 'white' and the tension carries onto into the bedroom. You can have an affair with your wife you know. But deep down you may not want to do that because your so used to comparing her to all those hot singly fillies your roving eye sees day in day out that you don't bloody know what you want! As Mikeandshel said fix it or leave , i never did cheat and i knew what i wanted ,but when you give 110% and you get 0% back , not good odds, its not an easy decision to leave, and i say to anyone who stays together just for the sake of their kids "bad move " kids are not stupid and this will F### them up even more.As far as being "usless in bed" well ive had no complaints so far,by the way why is it always the perception that its the guy whos always a dud in bed, ive had a few females who have been useless and im not saying that because they didnt give head (sorry but thats the comment i would expect back) they just didnt have a clue !! Anyway this is getting slightly off topic and after all it is a free world and anyone can do as they jolly well want.Theres always someone who will disagree, but hey thats life, and it will never change.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Generally men will always tell fibs if they even think that they will get their dick wet! ok? also you didnt even answer the question, if the shoe was on the other foot would you be happy to find your lady out cheating onyou? I can tell you right now if I ever found my man out cheating I would cut his balls off and hang them on my rear view mirror as a pair of feminist fuzzy dice!! When honesty and trust are twisted, dont kid yourselves the relationship is OVER! However IF THE TWO ARE FINE WITH IT ALL IS GOOD
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RHP User
15 years ago
MAYBE THATS WHY YOU HAVE GOT A HUGE HANDFULL OF MOTORCYCLE, AND NOT A WOMANS BODY
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RHP User
15 years ago
My this is a long discussion, and I apologise up front coz I have not read every word of the really long posts. If I repeat someone elses thoughts, sorry.I think that if you are dishonest with your partner then you are denying your partner to choose if they want to carry on being in a relationship with you or not. In my head, relationships are about knowing your partner. Dishonesty could well be a great method of control as it perpetuates an unfair situation without enabling truly informed choice on their part. You are giving yourself options, but not them, as their actions and decisions are based on part truth.You may also be denying your partner the opportunity to be truly open with you, and denying them the choice to part take in this lifestyle.We are all able to find justifications for our behaviours, and of course in our own minds, our justifications are correct.Thank you for such thought provoking discussion.Mrs Exploring
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'WIFE2BSHARED' Generally men will always tell fibs if they even think that they will get their dick wet! ok? also you didnt even answer the question, if the shoe was on the other foot would you be happy to find your lady out cheating onyou? I can tell you right now if I ever found my man out cheating I would cut his balls off and hang them on my rear view mirror as a pair of feminist fuzzy dice!! When honesty and trust are twisted, dont kid yourselves the relationship is OVER! However IF THE TWO ARE FINE WITH IT ALL IS GOOD The post above had the subject line of "OK Snowshoe", but if you review my postings you'll find that I've never supported cheating - completely the opposite, in fact. The only thing that we've disagreed on is your statement below:You are So right, I state to all who say to us that their wife is not interested in sex any more/ doesnt understand me etc! Just what are you doing wrong? dont blame her, if you took the time to get to know her likes and dislikesand fantasies then maybe you would be getting much more!You seem to want to blame the man for not being able to read what the woman wants, but that's a rubbish answer. If she's going through menopause, there may not be a thing in the world that he or anyone else can do to make her interested in sex. Every case has to be evaluated on its merits - sometimes it's his fault, sometimes it's hers and sometimes it's neither.
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RHP User
15 years ago
When we were younger we went to 18th's and 21st's and got pissed and sometimes found ourselves passed out in the wrong bed........oooops!! Then we foolishly got married (I think the first person we marry is just like a training bra!), then the spats start.......and guess what gets 99% of the blame for these uncontrollable urges to kill anyone that leaves their crap lying around the house, leaves the toilet seats up and dotted with pubes for visitors to see, who goes out on the piss and forgets to come home and fuck me they end up in the wrong bed!! You guessed it girls..........PMS!!Now Mr Snowflake who is a bit of a flake........really blames menopause!!???Where do you live sunshine?? I would love to unleash some of my menstrual tension come menopausal thoughts on your right fucking NOW!!
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'destined71' When we were younger we went to 18th's and 21st's and got pissed and sometimes found ourselves passed out in the wrong bed........oooops!! Then we foolishly got married (I think the first person we marry is just like a training bra!), then the spats start.......and guess what gets 99% of the blame for these uncontrollable urges to kill anyone that leaves their crap lying around the house, leaves the toilet seats up and dotted with pubes for visitors to see, who goes out on the piss and forgets to come home and fuck me they end up in the wrong bed!! You guessed it girls..........PMS!!Now Mr Snowflake who is a bit of a flake........really blames menopause!!???Where do you live sunshine?? I would love to unleash some of my menstrual tension come menopausal thoughts on your right fucking NOW!! So it's wrong for the woman to be blamed 99% of the time, but it's okay to assume that man is the problem 100% of the time? Please explain?Do you know anything about menopause? For some women, it completely destroys their libido. Kindly read up on it before attacking me for saying so.The point is that neither side is always to blame. Is there any way that I can say that more plainly? There seems to be a hell of a lot of confusion over a really simple concept...
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RHP User
15 years ago
Interesting to watch this thread...conceptual right or wrong, then the blame game and as is often the case the name game. I think if you can look at yourself at the end of each day and know without a shadow of doubt, fear or guilt that you gave it your best shot...then you probably have. I think that we all know both intuitively and instinctively that there are differences...between right and wrong or who is to blame for what. The lines are never 100% clear nor benefit from the absolutes of perfect balance...but they are there. If anyone finds they are struggling with that...a little Michael Jackson. | "I'm starting with the man in the mirrorI'm asking him to change his waysAnd no message could have been any clearerIf you wanna make the world a better placeTake a look at yourself and then make a change, yeah"| We can only change the world by the Power of One.
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melbcpl01
15 years ago
So if the person male or female can not be honest with the one they supposable love then how can anyone else trust them ,there is no excuse to cheat on ones partner What lies are they willing to sprout just to get into someone elses pants and if the other partner by some chance found whom the other was cheating with could you imagine the fire works that would follow could get very ugly A cheater is a cheater no matter how you look at it and we would never meet with a married person without thier partner being involved Melbcpl01
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'foreverlove7985' I don't really give a shit if 'you're not getting enough at home'... If you are married, you took those vows to your wife - Yeah, you remember those?!! - Being faithful is part of the vows... and you are to honour them and her! I absolutely agree with what (MR) Foreverlove wrote earlier... Perhaps you shouldn't be married? As for the women who seek out/ (knowingly) sleep with married men (who's wives are unaware), I have one word for them. Homewreckers. They are just as much to blame as the men who cheat, IMO! (MRS) Sums it up really nicely. Cheating hurts people. It is about backstabbing. Thats why there is this other thing called Swinging where people talk about it honestly, everyone sits down and figures out where they stand, what is and is not ok etc. Quoting 'bornagain_evil' monogamymay just be the worlds second biggest conspiracy theory, after religion that is. This isn't about Monogamy...its about lieing and backstabbing the one you have made vows to. I remember seeing some TV show when I was in my late teens. A man was cheating on his girlfriend because she refused to have him throw up on her. It was a sexual thing for him, really "did it" for him. He called her names etc was really horrid. He kept defending the desire. The friend watching this show kept saying "gross" and so on. Me I was really angry, "thats not the point..your missing the point...he's cheating on her because she will not try something she finds revolting, hes putting his sexual desires before their relationship." What is wrong with him! My point is relationships are about give and take, honesty, trust....If you put your sexual desires before the woman you married, what is that saying about how much respect you have for the woman you made vows with? How much respect for yourself can you have if you can betray her like that. When was the last time you controlled your Dick instead of letting it control you?! Leave her or stay..or better yet why not give her a reason to want more of you, not less. Find out what she likes. Maybe there are reasons shes not meeting your "needs" maybe your not meeting hers.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'GoodKinkyfun'I wish my life was as splendid as the comments on here. My life is not like a set of light where it is either red or green. It's forever flashing amber. I have tried talking about sex in quiet times, in anger. I have been to counseling alone. I have asked her to come. She refuses. I have written letters. The answer is the same" I know not intimate I just can't help it" I love you. I need you and want you. We have had sex 5 times in 3 years. I don't want to leave her. So I cheat. I often get called names on here but life is not always black and white. My say !!! It's not cheating if you talk it over and she gives you the "green light". Just a thought
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'foreverlove7985' Quoting 'Letsgetcrazy09' foreverlove One of the problems with saying you took those vows, especially if you said "forsaking all others" at your wedding, is that it is hypocritical when on a site like this wishing to play with others even if you and your husband agree. JMOLets Not really hypocritical, when you actually think about the situation. We're talking about CHEATING here... not SWINGING. Swinging (as a couple), is not being unfaithful - it is something you are exploring together and BOTH KNOW about. But if the Husband (or wife) goes out, and fucks someone BEHIND his/(her) Wifes / (husbands) back, that IS unfaithful - and going against his vows to her! P.S. Don't think anyone uses the 'generic' vows these days... so I believe it would be rare to witness the words 'forsaking all others' in a ceremony today. (MRS)YOU GO GIRL !!!
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'foreverlove7985' Quoting 'Letsgetcrazy09' foreverlove One of the problems with saying you took those vows, especially if you said "forsaking all others" at your wedding, is that it is hypocritical when on a site like this wishing to play with others even if you and your husband agree. JMOLets Not really hypocritical, when you actually think about the situation. We're talking about CHEATING here... not SWINGING. Swinging (as a couple), is not being unfaithful - it is something you are exploring together and BOTH KNOW about. But if the Husband (or wife) goes out, and fucks someone BEHIND his/(her) Wifes / (husbands) back, that IS unfaithful - and going against his vows to her! P.S. Don't think anyone uses the 'generic' vows these days... so I believe it would be rare to witness the words 'forsaking all others' in a ceremony today. (MRS)YOU GO GIRL !!!
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RHP User
15 years ago
Oh God. What did you Dad do when your Mum hit menopause? Even though I'm defending the poor old PMS & menopausedly disabled, I made a statement that some women love to seek revenge just as much as males do when either one's trust has been compromised.I really don't care in the end because I've been screwed around on and then I became the player. I didn't cope with either role because I was PMS when first hubby scewed around then just as I was about to jump between the sheets with a hot new lover I became menopausal!
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RHP User
15 years ago
Ok first up , as i said at no point did i ever cheat on my wife, and yes if she had cheated on me i would have been pissed off, big time. Secondly Leda and Wife2bshared if your views on men are common place among the female species, which i very much doubt they are, in fact i know there not as i have some gorgeous lady friends, but if they were then give me my " HUGE HANDFUL OF MOTORCYCLE " anyday
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RHP User
15 years ago
Ummm to the guy who thinks its ok for his wife to play with married guys just because she doesn't want a relationship and its the cheater that has to live it.... Are you for freaken real? Your ummm "wife" is initiating behaviour that you condone using the excuse "its the cheaters problem", maybe if there wasn't loose women like her then cheating maybe a minority and not a majority.. Whatever happened to morals and self respect? And to be honest if both u and the wife need others to fulfill your sexual need then that explains your ridiculous answer... If you aren't getting it at home and its a problem and that problem can't be solved, then you leave the marital home and do whatever it is you want to do but you don't betray the partner using "i'm not getting sex" as the excuse, there's always a choice and cheating is the easiest choice until ur ass gets caught.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Can't believe for a predominately "sex site" how judgemental most of you are! Bet the swingers hate being judged on why they swing and the bi or bi-curious get judged on their sexual preferences..same as gays! If you don't like people that "cheat" then just say no thanks! None of your business or concern on why they do it...it is their life and they know why they do it! As for the girls and guys that do have sex with "cheaters"...go for it...as usually they are the best at sex...they normally don't get it at home so they appreciate it more! xFunlovingx
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'destined71' Oh God. What did you Dad do when your Mum hit menopause? Even though I'm defending the poor old PMS & menopausedly disabled, I made a statement that some women love to seek revenge just as much as males do when either one's trust has been compromised.I really don't care in the end because I've been screwed around on and then I became the player. I didn't cope with either role because I was PMS when first hubby scewed around then just as I was about to jump between the sheets with a hot new lover I became menopausal! How would I kmow how my parents coped with menopause? Like most kids, I'm not involved with the sex life of my parents.You seem to think that PMS and menopause are the same thing - you really need to do some reading about both of them. My ex and I have discussed the onset of menopause and the effects of it on our marriage at great length. We have concluded that that, in conjunction with the changes that we both underwent between the ages of 20 and 42 meant that the breakup of our marriage was the fault of neither of us. We were different people and the loss of sex was sealed the deal. Assuming that it was all my fault, without knowing us or our situation is complete rubbish.You're embarrasing yourself, perhaps because you're bitter about your own situation. Not all men are bastards, and not all breakups are the fault of the man. Get over it.
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RHP User
15 years ago
cheats are cheats...whether they be male or female or somewhere in between....they dont rate very highly on our eyes at all......just a step above those who facilitate their cheating. these people are like thieves, they steal your heart and then your pride and dignity.... try explaining to children why you are leaving...... try to explain the hurt inflicted upon you by your cheating partner.....there is no reason for cheating, theres no justification. to say 'shes a bitch' or 'hes a fat bastard' or 'its not my fault' is just escaping responsibility and offering up an excuse like some child. it is your fault....for running away to someone elses arms or bed, and not being adult enough to stay and fix it, or not being reasonable enough to understand that its time to move on.....if you think it hurts no-one then you may just be about as selfish as any person can be...yes it does...it drives partners to suicide, depression and even alcoholism, as they attempt to escape from the overwhelming feelings of desolation that cheating can bring with it..and it fucks with childrens heads like you wouldnt believe..........it matters not whether the person who is the cheat is male or female....everyone else around them suffers as a consequence of their selfishness......
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RHP User
15 years ago
No I'm not embarassed! What if the female is bored with a guy being soft instead of hard instantly like he once was?I just can't believe that I've experienced first hand all of the above and it's not until you come across a forum like this that you realise something very important Mr Flakey and Kalaharri (well you are somewhat baron of love and affection aren't you?!).Despite my man being way older than me and reliant on meds to keep his libido erect at times ...... (is that sort of what a menopausal woman is like? The lubricant is no longer 'on tap'??). I realise now, much I would hate to lose him because of a sexual need.I'm not joking when I say 'sex therapy'. And I pray that your not ex-servicemen who may have problems trying to sustain your manhood at times despite you shitting bricks for your country or maybe an old sow who has popped out 3 adorable kids that you wouldn't swap for anything.I originally went on this site months ago to find trouble. I found it alright and I never again want to experience the uncertainty and loss for a quick thrill again. Don't ask me why I'm on here if I'm happily married, sex is just a topic I like to talk about and RHP is great for that.I hope you both have a nice hard day and many hard ones to follow!!
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RHP User
15 years ago
This thread largely consists of bullshit, piss and vinegar, with a taste of baggage thrown in, replete with mouldy sox. A person can really only tend to your own relationships, and try not to fuck it up. That's hard enough surely, without using all your half baked theories and ideas on "what's right" to fuck up someone else's! Anyway... definitively.... it would seem that cheating is acceptable. People never seem to ask about marital status in an orgy or swinging club situation.... they just want a piece of whatever it was they saw you dishing out to that other person just moments ago.... or whatever it is you're flashing, buldging or swinging.... it's lust you all have in their eyes, not some profound sense of all that is good and right for the world.HugsStalky
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RHP User
15 years ago
This must be one of the longest threads I can remember, maybe it shows that we are all concerned about the line between swinging and cheating. I used to think my wife was cheating just by thinking about other men, but now it turns me on and I actively encourage her to get out and have some fun. When she does - we all win. I guess people change and the vows no longer make sense but the spirit of them is maintained.Long live the threadMrActive
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RHP User
15 years ago
I wonder how many thousands possible millions of marrages have been saved because the couple went on the journey to swing, before their their relationship was broken. By adding excitement, a hobby both partners can do that removes any inclination to cheat. Like a quote from the couples section recently: Couples like swinging It is fun and Monogamy is like holding your breath...you can do it for a while, but not forever!" Reality Check: What is it? overt half of all marriges one or both have cheated! Swinging is about the couple.....they dont care if the ones they are playing with married cheating etc thats their business, unless the swinging couple want to add friendship. Agree with XFUNLOVINGX this is a sex site.....primary purpose to meet others for sex.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'xFunlovingx' Can't believe for a predominately "sex site" how judgemental most of you are! Bet the swingers hate being judged on why they swing and the bi or bi-curious get judged on their sexual preferences..same as gays! If you don't like people that "cheat" then just say no thanks! None of your business or concern on why they do it...it is their life and they know why they do it! As for the girls and guys that do have sex with "cheaters"...go for it...as usually they are the best at sex...they normally don't get it at home so they appreciate it more! xFunlovingxI agree funloving , we all on here for the same thing and they are judging people, at the end of the day its pleasure and sex on here so what ever works for people so be it and if you havnt been in that situation you probably dont understand, everyone has different needs SO KEEP FUCKING LOL and just enjoy!!!!!
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RHP User
15 years ago
Wow DOOD you sound like your screwed up. Cheating is Cheating , if you need extra ask your partner if you can go to a rub and tug, with her permision that would not be cheating, Maybe if she is not satisfied, you'd better talk to her and find out why. but what ever you do don't cheat on her because you'll regret it in the long run, how ever if she is not what you want from a woman tell her and you both move on to find what it is you're both looking for
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'xFunlovingx' Can't believe for a predominately "sex site" how judgemental most of you are! Bet the swingers hate being judged on why they swing and the bi or bi-curious get judged on their sexual preferences..same as gays! If you don't like people that "cheat" then just say no thanks! None of your business or concern on why they do it...it is their life and they know why they do it! As for the girls and guys that do have sex with "cheaters"...go for it...as usually they are the best at sex...they normally don't get it at home so they appreciate it more! This Is So Well Said ... wish more people thought like this .. there would be less bigitory and less judgemental, closed minded people in this world .. and it would be a much better place to be xFunlovingx
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RHP User
15 years ago
Christ .. you opened the can here and of course as you would expect everyone loves to bash you with their opinion but in the end there opinion along with mine counts for FUCK ALL .. do as you please... Entirely up to you what you do and who you do it with
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RHP User
15 years ago
Despite my man being way older than me and reliant on meds to keep his libido erect at times ...... (is that sort of what a menopausal woman is like? The lubricant is no longer 'on tap'??). I realise now, much I would hate to lose him because of a sexual need. You dont sound too happy at all....
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'Morticiaaa' Cheating is the easy part.... . Dealing with it is the difficult part....you know, the little voice inside your head that says "am I doing the right thing by the one I love?" .i totally agree with that
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RHP User
15 years ago
Thats outright cheating if its outside of what they both want. If he's doing just because he's not satisfied with his own wife anymore and sleeps around for his own selfish reasons regardless of what she thinks then its cheating, and not acceptable. It goes against the consitution of marriage and therefore definition of being faithful. Then again if its all mutual and she's fine with it/allowed to do it aswell, I'd say thats acceptable. It comes down to is it for his wife or for himself?
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RHP User
14 years ago
i dont think its acceptable at all! we have had a few married men message us for "discrete" fun. If your wife doesnt know about it or is not involved then dont bother messaging us. Cheating is cheating as far as im concerned and the old my wife isnt as adventurous as i want her to be spiel doesnt strike a cord with me. I think if you're not happy in your relationship and feel the need to cheat behind her back then just leave, its not fair on her thinking she has this great husband then wake up one day with an STI of some sort. definately not cool in my book. if on the other hand you are like my husband and i and have decided to shake things up abit TOGETHER then i think thats great :)
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'kayla_john'i dont think its acceptable at all! we have had a few married men message us for "discrete" fun. If your wife doesnt know about it or is not involved then dont bother messaging us. Cheating is cheating as far as im concerned and the old my wife isnt as adventurous as i want her to be spiel doesnt strike a cord with me. I think if you're not happy in your relationship and feel the need to cheat behind her back then just leave, its not fair on her thinking she has this great husband then wake up one day with an STI of some sort. definately not cool in my book. if on the other hand you are like my husband and i and have decided to shake things up abit TOGETHER then i think thats great :) The funny thing is...with married men they ALWAYS use protection (the ones that I have fucked anyway)...it is the single men that whinge and never seem to have one on them! Married men are the safest to have sex with and don't whine about them not being able to get hard with one on! Facts...always the facts ma'am! xFunlovingx
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RHP User
14 years ago
sorry i wouldnt know as ive never gone there with a married man.. still i think its wrong, id hate for my husband to be out trying to do that behind my back and once someone finds out i think they should do the right thing and send them on their way.. thats my thoughts anyway :)
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melbcpl01
14 years ago
We have never had any problems with the single males and the use of condoms you tell them straight out its safe sex or not at all right at the start before you even meet them Also if a guy has his own fluff at home and is not willing to share it or its not on offer then he will not get any here iether Cheating is cheating no matter what spin you put up to make it sound ok
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'xFunlovingx' Can't believe for a predominately "sex site" how judgemental most of you are! Bet the swingers hate being judged on why they swing and the bi or bi-curious get judged on their sexual preferences..same as gays! If you don't like people that "cheat" then just say no thanks! None of your business or concern on why they do it...it is their life and they know why they do it! As for the girls and guys that do have sex with "cheaters"...go for it...as usually they are the best at sex...they normally don't get it at home so they appreciate it more! xFunlovingx I couldn't have said it better myself xfunlovingx
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RHP User
14 years ago
Look a lot has been sad, i belive we'r all here to have some fun afterall. we all love a sexy body
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melbcpl01
14 years ago
We think anyone that cheats is not only lieing to them selves but there partner and who ever they choose to meet , if they can not be honest and trueful to the one they supposable love then how can they be that way with others too Basicly they willing to lie to there own partner so can expect greater lies to try and get you into bed with them If you feel the need to cheat you clearly have issues at home that need sorting out , cheating will not solve any of them but can cause many more , we will never get involved in other lies to serve thier needs Melbcpl01
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'This_n_that' Quoting 'xFunlovingx' Can't believe for a predominately "sex site" how judgemental most of you are! Bet the swingers hate being judged on why they swing and the bi or bi-curious get judged on their sexual preferences..same as gays! If you don't like people that "cheat" then just say no thanks! None of your business or concern on why they do it...it is their life and they know why they do it! As for the girls and guys that do have sex with "cheaters"...go for it...as usually they are the best at sex...they normally don't get it at home so they appreciate it more! xFunlovingx I couldn't have said it better myself xfunlovingx so........desperate sex is good sex? or 'oh shit i have to be home at 9 sex' is memorable....or 'can you meet me before lunch on Friday, as i can sneak away from work for a half hour sex' is really that fulfilling? or the 'hey sorry i cancelled 5 minutes before i was supposed to arrive, my daughter was sick and we had to take to the hospital, but I really would love to play sex' is somewhere in peoples list of fantasies that as yet remain unfulfilled? or 'my wifes away this saturday, so you can some over, but you have to be really really quiet as my neighbour/mother in law/8 year old son is a light sleeper sex' is something we are just busting a valve to experience? fuck hey? we have had it all wrong then, as we've been looking for people we could have relaxed, no-rush playdates with........people who could host on occasion, and who werent going to run off home earlyish to mummy..............now i am disappointed........
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RHP User
14 years ago
NO! is the simple answer......
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TWOfourYOU
14 years ago
As far as we are concerned, it is not acceptable. Easy awnser. If you want to play and your partner doesn't want to might be time to call it quits! Each to there own, but our thoughts! Kazma
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RHP User
14 years ago
ok so cheating is doing something the other person in the relationship dosent know about or would not approve of ?? yeh ok then if that happens to be sex it is wrong ,,,, what if it is not sex does that make it still cheating ??? where is the line in the sand ???? and lastly if there is total lack of sex in a reltionship but everything else is working fine and one partner or the other finds relief elsewhere then is that cheating themselves or their partner ............. hang me now or is it public stoning that is the right punishment,,,,,,,,, Andy xxx
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'andreweagle' ok so cheating is doing something the other person in the relationship dosent know about or would not approve of ?? yeh ok then if that happens to be sex it is wrong ,,,, what if it is not sex does that make it still cheating ??? where is the line in the sand ???? and lastly if there is total lack of sex in a reltionship but everything else is working fine and one partner or the other finds relief elsewhere then is that cheating themselves or their partner ............. hang me now or is it public stoning that is the right punishment,,,,,,,,, Andy xxxthe 'line' is when you do anything that betrays anothers trust, or disrespects them. if you are in a relationship, then quite obviously its not reasonable if you only consider your own wants and needs, as whatever you do or say, or however you might behave, has a potential impact on your partner.......
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RHP User
14 years ago
Ssimple i say no and block all that have "ask me" "attached" or "Married" as i am not prepared to take that phone call that i have made to the woman who screwed up my marriage, i m not prepared to be hated as much as i hate that very woman. I am not prepared to be a party to the cheater and i do let everyone know why i block them. After all its your choice to cheat, and live with it, my choice as a single female to decide to not have anything to do with cheaters, (i do have 2 of my own cheating ex-husbands and have no room for any more). I have tried to get over its not me its them but cannot do it mentally and we all know how important it is to be happy in oneself, as your the only one who has to answer to yourself. Good luck please dont ask me for a date or play if your married or attached or unable to decide with an ask me statement.
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RHP User
14 years ago
This appears to be a very hot topic. However the way I see it, cheating is cheating. Marriage is Marriage. Those wishing to get lucky elsewhere are not true to themselves.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'pyro1969' Ssimple i say no and block all that have "ask me" "attached" or "Married" as i am not prepared to take that phone call that i have made to the woman who screwed up my marriage, i m not prepared to be hated as much as i hate that very woman. I am not prepared to be a party to the cheater and i do let everyone know why i block them. After all its your choice to cheat, and live with it, my choice as a single female to decide to not have anything to do with cheaters, (i do have 2 of my own cheating ex-husbands and have no room for any more). I have tried to get over its not me its them but cannot do it mentally and we all know how important it is to be happy in oneself, as your the only one who has to answer to yourself. Good luck please dont ask me for a date or play if your married or attached or unable to decide with an ask me statement.THATS ONE OF OUR CI SINGLE LADIES AND SHE ROCKS!HENCE US NOT ALLOWING MARRIED MEN TO ACT AS SINGLES ATTENDING OUR CLUB. THE SINGLE LADIES WANT SINGLE GUYS AND NOT MARRIED MEN PRETENDING TO BE SINGLE AND SO DO THE COUPLES.THE LIFESTYLE IS ABOUT HONESTY AND OPENNESS IN RELATIONSHIPS NOT ABOUT CHEATING!LEESA CI.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Thats the great thing about the swinging lifestyle, it removes any inclination to cheat. Which is a enormous achievement when it is well documented that over 50% will cheat during sometime during their relationships.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Leave first no excuses to cheat ever! You can make them up and pretend that it is ok, but it is not! No resao. Is ever good enough to cheat if you are not happy and need more sex in your relationship firstly talk to your wife. Tell her your troubles and if that doesn't work go counseling, don't everuse lack of sex as a reason to justify cheating!!!! No one deserves to be cheated on it is a hurtful and horrible thing to have to deal with no one has the right to make someone feel worthless enough that they had to be cheated on! It is a selfish act and I have no sympathy for anyone that cheats on their partners. Sorry if I offended but had to be said! Lees
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RHP User
14 years ago
Wow what a great subject, I think "couples that play together, stay together"!! I've been on many sides of this question, I believe it to be totally not acceptable, but yet I see it all the time,especially I'n the mining industry..if u find urself looking to have sex with people other than ur wife, then I'n all honesty, ur married to the wrong person. I spose if it's issues with not enough loving I'n the bedroom, then stand up & try & sort it out at ur home before going to someone elses, 9 times out of 10 there's more problems I'n the relationship than just not getting enough, lifes stress takes it's toll on everyone, more than likely both sides arnt getting enough..for me I might not of picked the right person to spend my life with, but tried my best for our 3 beautiful kids, a decision which made me unhappy for years, altho I had lust to be with other people at times, I never did & decided to change my life with a fantastic separation & because I did it the right way, we still have a awesome friendship, kids included, there's no malace, no hatred, we both made the wrong decision.. I hope it stays that way.. Sex for me has increased it's just a shame that most of it is with myself!!! Lmao.. I'n defense to us MEN, it's not just us that do it, I was once used by my mates wife to help her get out of her marriage of 16 yrs, I was half her age but if I knew then what I know now, I would have declined the invitation, sadly being young, dumb & full of cum, a chapter of my life was made with an ending that I'm not proud of...so it's not just us.. If u want to have sex with other people, find a a special partner to share those great experiences with, ur both on the same page, no guilt, just great times... That's my thoughts on the subject, for what it's worth.. Sab359
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RHP User
14 years ago
Personally I dont care if someone is married or attached or whatever, not my business...As long we are looking for the same thing then thats for him to deal with.... As long as im not gonna have some crazy wife or gf came looking for me haha
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'kate_08' Personally I dont care if someone is married or attached or whatever, not my business...As long we are looking for the same thing then thats for him to deal with.... As long as im not gonna have some crazy wife or gf came looking for me haha I am with Kate on this one... There are women out there who find fun out there also without their partners. How do we know whats goin on in their relationship, whether there is permission on not. Whether this is their idea of being discreet.. who knows. We could be old and grey before we find all this out, and missed out on a good time. Overall, I feel it comes down to the way society has evolved and portrays such behaviours.
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RHP User
14 years ago
we as a couple strongly disagree and wont touch married man because u got married for a reason if u want extra sex leave ur wife and stop cheating it low and wrong
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RHP User
14 years ago
funloving nailed it on the head so what's there to add..?as someone else said married ppl (me included) know eactly what it feels like to be gay or lesbian - you feel judged, ostracised, never accepted for the effort you make to help others understand that it is just sex... unless you find partner that is in the same boat and you have fun together - so as far as I'm concerned a Friend with benefits would best be also married or attached as she would understand discretion and the need for the physical relief and no more than that...
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'thedoctor2640'funloving nailed it on the head so what's there to add..?as someone else said married ppl (me included) know eactly what it feels like to be gay or lesbian - you feel judged, ostracised, never accepted for the effort you make to help others understand that it is just sex... unless you find partner that is in the same boat and you have fun together - so as far as I'm concerned a Friend with benefits would best be also married or attached as she would understand discretion and the need for the physical relief and no more than that...then why stay married? why not be an adult and move on to something else rather that deceive all around you and betray the trust and respect of your family and friends..............its never just 'sex' as you put it, thats so selfishly conceited and irresposnsible its unbelievable. you play games and worse with other peoples emotions and disregard the love and respect thay may have for you, for what? a little 'play-time'? find another interest, another outlet, one that you can include your family and partner in. if that doesnt work pack your bags and leave. you talk of 'friends with benefits' but we see no benefit in having a married guy as that sort of friend...we'd always consider his partner, and be ashamed for her that he didnt also. we've both been cheated on, and betrayed by previous partners, and both of us hold those people in such low esteem that to be involved with someone like them would be the single worst thing either of us could do.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'couplesint'Leave first no excuses to cheat ever! You can make them up and pretend that it is ok, but it is not! No resao. Is ever good enough to cheat if you are not happy and need more sex in your relationship firstly talk to your wife. Tell her your troubles and if that doesn't work go counseling, don't everuse lack of sex as a reason to justify cheating!!!! No one deserves to be cheated on it is a hurtful and horrible thing to have to deal with no one has the right to make someone feel worthless enough that they had to be cheated on! It is a selfish act and I have no sympathy for anyone that cheats on their partners. Sorry if I offended but had to be said! Lees 100% agreeance from us. its time people took responsibility for their actions and understood what cheating does to another, and how you can come either to a common understanding, or move on like an adult, through couselling and honesty of thought and action....running around behind anothers back really does nothing but expose your own inadequacies..........you make it all about you, and thats so wrong on so many levels...........
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