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Turning gay after marriage
February 16 2015
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' I am not here to be anyone's librarian. I read a lot and I do not keep a list. It is simple, you Google and find your own. I do not care if anyone on here believes me or not. I did google, and I didn't find any hard data that supported your original assertion, just lots of opinions and debates. And the Kinsey report you mentioned doesn't actually support it either, as SimonDoes noted. I did find this quote in an article interesting, it was from the Alliance of Les-Bi-Gay Transgender and Straight Ally Students at Michigan State University, in response to the FAQ ''Isn't everyone really bisexual?'' Answer - "Not by any useful definition. A useful definition of bisexuality might be, anyone who has serious relationships with members of both sexes, and anyone who identifies as bisexual. It is possible to suggest that everyone has some potential for attraction to both sexes, but since most people never act on it, this is pretty irrelevant. If someone says that they are straight, or (gay / lesbian) then for you to insist that they are ''really'' bisexual but perhaps just don't realise it is to deny them their self-identity. Everyone should be free to define their own identity for themselves, which invalidates this kind of generalisation.''You are entitled to your opinion Blindman (and make no mistake opinion is all it is since even the research you quote doesn't support you), but by denying people their right to define their own sexual identity, and insulting those who don't conform to your ideal, you are basically practising the same sort of intolerance and bigotry that you rail against in other topics.
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RHP User
11 years ago
What a closed mind you have. Oh dear you call me a bigot, that is rich. And pray tell what did i say to bring that about. I have simply said we are all bisexual, and that other forms of sexuality is a corruption of our natural state. We are all omnivores, being a vegetarian is a corruption of our natural state (and very bad for your health). Deal with the facts, not what you want to believe. People do not get to define their sexuality, nor their gender or race, they get to chose an identity but that is not what they are. Categorising sexuality is clear and simple, thought extracting the information is fraught with problems. Look back at the many cultures where sexuality was not defined by gender and then explain why in those societies (almost) everyone seams to be bisexual. They are as human as us and all that is different is their culture. Step above the limitations imposed by your western view and see the world without prejudice
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RHP User
11 years ago
I do not have to prove anything. If you think me typing here is because i have a need to prove a point you are sorely mistaken, it is my entertainment and nothing more. It is you that really should be proving your point. You are the one that is saying culture has nothing to do with it, but have no evidence at all to prove it. Would you be comfortable in a dress, is that your choice or one imposed by your culture, the same goes for your sexuality.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' You are either bisexual or you are not. There is not contradiction at all. having any sexual tendency toward both sexes labels you as bisexual. There is no ambiguity, there is not grey scale, even Kinsey him self stated that 88% are bisexual, he did not say 88% are sort of bisexual. You are or you are not. Hang on.... earlier you said we are ALL bisexual.... suggesting that we're born that way and theres no choice in that being the case... Quoting 'Blindman67'Personally I think every single healthy one of us is bisexual. ... and then you went on to claim that if you're not bisexual......its because you're mentally and/or socially unhealthy, repressed and conditioned by society to be hetero or gay. Now.... you say....we are either Bisexual.... or... we are not. What happened to all of us being Bisexual?? So, ....if we aren't Bisexual........ the alternatives are straight, gay..... or some fluid form of the lot. Socially fucked up.... apparently.... but.... not bisexual... and not pretending not to be. Flip....... Flop...... You've torpedoed your own very subjective argument of "we are all bisexual" buy saying there are options... which we cannot choose. We call this point....... check mate.
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madotara69
11 years ago
I don't mean to dismiss science and technology, I am fascinated with it all and especially with the rapid multiplication with computers that run at speeds ever increasing for configuring data, even asking and answering generated questions to find answers, it mind boggles to think of what will be discovered in say 20 years from now, 100000's fold by then. Yet with all the science and technology that exists to this day, not a single blade of grass can we create. We can learn of what a blade of grass is and how it all works, nothing can explain, synthesise the life of it. So what I am meaning, is sometimes we can only rely on what we feel and sense from the spirit within others for our answers. You will not find this in research, we have not progressed to knowledge that is capable of grasping the essence of natures life force. My fact in this case is substantiated and as good if not better than any theory published. Straight from the mind of another and still the most powerful computer of all, the human brain with the essence of life, natures mystery. Prove me wrong you beautiful woman
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67'You are either bisexual or you are not. There is not contradiction at all. having any sexual tendency toward both sexes labels you as bisexual. There is no ambiguity, there is not grey scale, even Kinsey him self stated that 88% are bisexual, he did not say 88% are sort of bisexual. You are or you are not.But that's not what you've been saying, is it? You've continually asserted that EVERYONE is bi, but because people are typically not as well adjusted or enlightened as you, many mistakenly identify as either totally straight or totally gay. Kinsey was very fond of saying that things are not black or white, that there is a continuum. Blindman on the other hand says: "...every single healthy one of us is bisexual.""...all higher primates are bisexual.""Bisexuality is the norm, true heterosexuality and homosexuality do not exist..." And then, without managing to contradict any of the above: "...88% are bisexual""You are either bisexual or you are not." That's a lot of black and white, and some terrible math. Of course what would anyone else know? Aside from perhaps Blindman himself, we are all "...corrupted into an unnatural and contrived sexuality." As LD points out, it's not only wrong (even according to your own research), it's offensive and bigoted. Several people called bullshit, and the only way you can back it up is to tell them they are deluded. That's the problem with bigotry, it's only loosely related to the facts. It has been entertaining, I'll give you that.
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AnnieWhichway
11 years ago
I don't care what people call themselves or identify to their selves or others. I only care when persons go over a line and mentally/physically abuse another for failing to identifying to their imposed ideals. To harm another person for wanting to be with or love one of their own gender. Or put simply a person, who wants to be with another person. So that's my life's hate. Discussions here heated or otherwise is fine. You are discussing labels. I got past labels a long time ago
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Mischeviouslad' Quoting 'Blindman67' You are either bisexual or you are not. There is not contradiction at all. having any sexual tendency toward both sexes labels you as bisexual. There is no ambiguity, there is not grey scale, even Kinsey him self stated that 88% are bisexual, he did not say 88% are sort of bisexual. You are or you are not. Hang on.... earlier you said we are ALL bisexual.... suggesting that we're born that way and theres no choice in that being the case... Beat me to it.
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RHP User
11 years ago
DG Bloody hell mate. You will never agree, so what, the sky is cyan and no fucker is ever going to convince me it is blue. The same with you. I think what I want you can not change my mind nor have you at any stage presented any form of logical argument. You where bi when you where born, you are now hetero as a result of the culture you are in. Deal with it or not I do not care. Simon.I am not going to bother with nitty gritty details. Look at the evidence your self and make up your own mind. I am sure you have the wit and know how how to do that. I (note the "I" ) think that our culture is one of the most outlandish and corrupted that has ever had the arrogance to think of its self as enlightened.. We have a long way to go to find equality and acceptance. Most here are from the generation that made same sex sex a crime, we live in a state where government still controls who, when, how many, we can marry. That still has very strong influence on many. Try to equalize rather than segregate, try to accept we are all the same rather than find reason to be different. MeanderYes I did. Sorry for the mistake. I was quoting some fucker from the 50's Annie:Kiss me.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' DG Bloody hell mate. You will never agree, so what, the sky is cyan and no fucker is ever going to convince me it is blue. The same with you. I think what I want you can not change my mind nor have you at any stage presented any form of logical argument. You where bi when you where born, you are now hetero as a result of the culture you are in. Deal with it or not I do not care. Oh you care..... because you keep feeling the need to reply and defend. But now Ive just about heard everything. Bi babies?? BAHAHAHA. So..... NOW......humans are Bi at biiiiirth...... which would mean.... YOU are saying that bisexuality IS genetic... .... unless... you think a foetus has been corrupted by those repressive social conditioning pressures while its growing in the uterus. And you say "I" dont offer logical argument. Faaaaaaaark you're funny..... Seriously.... you should stop.... before you come up with even more ridiculous contradictions.
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RHP User
11 years ago
I think BM's concept of us being born Bi is a really interesting one. It doesn't matter to me that there aren't a page of references to back his position or that ALL has been downgraded to 80 something %. It's a really interesting idea and it's a pity that rather than being teased out and explored it has descended into the adversarial testosterone poisoned pissing contest that was the Alpha thread. No winners here. And no I'm not interested in who's fault that was.
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LetsFrolic
11 years ago
If you take the time to open your mind and understand.. there's also more pressures and uinfluences as well like genres and bfor example a best friend may convin e another not to be with someone because THEY assume theyre a loser when really theyre just shy and sweet or have different trends. Which technically is bullying - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
For the support guys. This is a subject that is too hard for some to wrap their head around and for others its just a little bit of ego in the wrong place. I have been here way to long to be effected by what others say and am not at all surprised at the response. I wish I could say it is my theory, but it is not. It was first introduced by Sigmund Freud in 1920 I paraphrase Sigmund Freud"...all humans are born bisexual but through psychological development most become monosexual while the bisexuality remains in a latent state." Kinsey also supports the idea and expanded on it with his research into human sexuality. There are many more that support this theory and it offers by far the best explanation for the diversity of human sexuality. We are not born hetero nor homo, these are the result of environment and cultural influences. The term Bisexual is somewhat misleading but it is what all the literature defines it as. Sexuality is not inherently a gender based drive in humans (and higher primates) and is as much a social and bonding drive as it is to spawn. Some even argue that spawning is the secondary role of sex in the human animal, a convenient side effect. The bisexual human still has strong support in many circles. yet there is much controversy, mainly due to the negative stereo typing of the associated homosexuality. With the western religions and states throwing their weight into the debate. If only they could see the harm they are doing for the argument against. I would suggest that it is up to those that do not believe this to be true to provide the evidence rather than babble incoherent rubbish. It is clear that for some that this issue is personal and i will not pay heed to defensive rants bordering on intolerance and homophobia. Yes talking to you DG. You want references... Here you go.Packman, Carl. - "Gore Vidal: 'We are all Bisexual' - 2012.Christopher Carey. - "Trials from Classical Athens" - 2012.Jennifer Baumgardner - "Look Both Ways: Bisexual Politics" - 2008Kinsey, A.; Pomeroy, W.; Martin, C., & Gebhard, P. - "Sexual Behavior in the Human Male" & "Sexual Behavior in the Human Female" - 1953.Freud - "Three Contributions to the Theory of Sex" - 1920, And there is much more but I have avoided any publications links to any of the sexuality movements due to the probability of bias.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting '50zcool' I think BM's concept of us being born Bi is a really interesting one. It doesn't matter to me that there aren't a page of references to back his position or that ALL has been downgraded to 80 something %. It's a really interesting idea and it's a pity that rather than being teased out and explored it has descended into the adversarial testosterone poisoned pissing contest that was the Alpha thread. No winners here. And no I'm not interested in who's fault that was. Thats the point of this. Concept... versus claimed fact.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting '50zcool' I think BM's concept of us being born Bi is a really interesting one. It doesn't matter to me that there aren't a page of references to back his position or that ALL has been downgraded to 80 something %. As is any discussion about sexual identity and the factors that shape and influence it. But the aspect I took most issue with (and still do) was Blindman's arrogant and aggressive approach, which was basically that he was right and anyone who doesn't identify as bi or isn't willing to believe him based on his word alone, is defective in some way. Also, that he claimed that he is supported by a large body of research, when in actual fact that research is far from conclusive. As I said to him people are entitled to their opinion but that's all it is, and when you try to force your ideal on everyone, deny other people their right to assert their own sexual identity, and insult them when they don't conform to your ideal, you're no better than those who claim that bi and homosexuality are 'defective'.
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RHP User
11 years ago
The existence of fairly large numbers of people who identify as asexual further complicates the 'all humans are bi' theory, and in fact that has been identified as an issue with the Kinsey scale (and addressed by later researchers). I think if anything it should be obvious that human sexuality just cannot be definitively pigeon-holed into any one category or type.
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RHP User
11 years ago
It is an interesting idea, and it was presented by Blindman as fact. He was (and still is) right, and the rest would agree were it not for our conditioning. It's like a discussion with a religious fanatic, entertaining (if you are into that sort of thing) but ultimately pointless. Of course God exists, you just don't know it because you don't believe. Having seen it happen before I had no intention of getting into it, but couldn't help myself in the end. I couldn't be bothered digging up the research, knowing that he wouldn't listen anyway, but then Blindman provided it himself. I'm not sure how all the gay and lesbian folks who have zero interest in the opposite sex feel about it? We've all (at least in our own little societal pockets) been through the same conditioning aimed at ensuring we are straight, but the stubborn fuckers insist on being completely gay. Not bi, just gay. So here's the facts. There are straight people, there are gay people, and there a whole lot in-between that identify with a variety of labels. That's not my opinion, it's fact, Blindman found the research to back it up. Discussion as to how that came about could be interesting, but if you deny obvious facts you just look like a fanatic, a bigot, an idiot, or a troll. Similarly, if you start applying labels to people, be prepared for some of them to object. When it's something as emotive and subjective as peoples sexuality, be prepared for them to object strongly. If you continue you are just going to look like an arrogant dick. At some point Blindman could have conceded he was incorrect, he could have admitted that not everyone is Bi. He could have admitted it was an idea he had, not continually presented it as fact. He could have even apologised for trying to belittle people who rejected the label he had incorrectly placed on them. He didn't, because Blindman is always right, and if your personal experience is completely different then that's because you simply aren't aware enough to know the truth. Yes 50zcool that's exactly what happened in the alpha thread as well. Unfortunately it's very difficult to have an interesting discussion that way. Try questioning the existence of God with a Jehova's Witness at your door one day. Amusing but pointless, just like discussion of ideas with the Blindman.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' What a closed mind you have. There's just no point even trying with you is there. The irony of you calling me closed-minded is just precious. I remember now why I previously decided to stop reading your comments and I'm just going to go back to doing that. You've certainly chosen a very apt user-name although not in the way you intended it.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Is it possible that you do not see the irony of your postings, I have to wonder how spurious character slurs make any resemblance to any form of argument as rebuttal. There are many that are more than happy to discus the details rather than the irrelevant, and there are those that find the details only a side note to personal agenda as transparent as it is vocal. To expect another will simply cave to your push to make the argument personal is a flutter best placed on those that fear loss of status among peers above personal indifference. Those that assume others that do not agree with them are dysfunctional in some way are luckily few. Yet this affliction can strike anyone it seams.
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RHP User
11 years ago
The mirror reflects. It always surprises me how seldom that sight is recognized as a reflection. I will continue to explore without any need for luck. I am always weary of those that preach with the fiery tongue of righteousness as they cast judgment from dubious moral high ground barely a inch above intolerance and firmly planted in generalized stereo typical assumption. I will not miss such.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' Is it possible that you do not see the irony of your postings, I have to wonder how spurious character slurs make any resemblance to any form of argument as rebuttal. There are many that are more than happy to discus the details rather than the irrelevant, and there are those that find the details only a side note to personal agenda as transparent as it is vocal. To expect another will simply cave to your push to make the argument personal is a flutter best placed on those that fear loss of status among peers above personal indifference. Those that assume others that do not agree with them are dysfunctional in some way are luckily few. Yet this affliction can strike anyone it seams. At great risk of painting a larger bullseye on my back..... here we go. Irony..... thats the part in RED above....because you continue to argue against those who have shown the flaws in your comments... expecting them to cave. I guess..... your 'enlightened' opinion...... which told me that my heterosexuality was an "unhealthy" abomination of my repressed and suppressed childhood...... wasn't a personal remark?? Doesn't count somehow? The more you back peddle, the more you are highlighting that you suffer from the very affliction you label onto those who disagree with you. And the only one who has taken a moral high ground in this topic is you.... with this ... "My handle BLINDMAN is there for a reason. I don't pretend to see, I explore and find out for my self. Maybe when others do the same then they will learn rather than know". Blind.... by choice and to serve an ego....it would seem. But you'll deny that too. Give me a break. DG
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RHP User
11 years ago
We done yet..agree to disagree.?..the OP has been ignored,gone on another tangent...my how unusual xxFreya
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Lovinit28andKC72
11 years ago
Thank fuck Freya, I probably wouldn't has used so much tact, so I'm glad you're around....💋
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RHP User
11 years ago
Bigones be bigones.
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madotara69
11 years ago
We know couple. Started off as one bloke married and another bloke who never married, they both worked on the railways for years as work mates. Well it turned out they fell in love, the single bloke ended up going through a sex change and the married bloke left his wife for his best mate who became a woman. The man is a small quiet bloke and the woman is taller and bigger boned, but funny as fuck for a laugh and a good story or two. Not sure if it fits with going gay, they were mates to start with though and don't know for certain if the trans-gender was something that was because of the relationship. I know she use to play footy as a bloke and talks of times as a bloke, so without risking offence, not going to say one or the other. I suppose fairly, it's as though she is a woman now, but being a man was like an old friend she likes to talk of and fondly, guess she must be pretty comfortable with it all and genuinely loves her partner, quite a journey they have travelled together, that is for sure.
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RHP User
11 years ago
I am happy to explore the concept if we can, and with others have asked the question - what about gay people? Here it is again from my last post: "I'm not sure how all the gay and lesbian folks who have zero interest in the opposite sex feel about it? We've all (at least in our own little societal pockets) been through the same conditioning aimed at ensuring we are straight, but the stubborn fuckers insist on being completely gay. Not bi, just gay." There is of course a body of evidence that homosexuality is significantly influenced by genetics. There's not a "gay gene", but there are certainly gene groups that strongly influence the chance of being gay. It would explain why, despite the intense societal and cultural pressure to be straight, so many men and women are in fact exclusively homosexual. The theory that all are born bisexual but conditioned otherwise falls in a big screaming heap the moment you consider exclusively homosexual people. Nobody is conditioned to be homosexual in our society. Nobody. Yet there they are. Being gay/lesbian is a really difficult path, but there they are. That's people letting go of their conditioning to express something that is strongly influenced by genetics. There are hundreds of thousands of members on RHP, a site dedicated to enabling sexual activities that are not the norm. A huge percentage of people here have had to throw off at least some of the shackles of their societal conditioning to become non-monogamous. That's people letting go of their conditioning to express their more primal desires. Yet many of those same people can't throw off the same conditioning and be a little bit Bi? Maybe it's because it's just not in them. Maybe there's a set of genes that predisposes people to be exclusively straight? Are all of these homosexuals and hetero swingers unhealthy, repressed? Which brings us to the other point of contention - that those that do not identify as Bi are dysfunctional in some way. This would of course include the exclusively homosexual as well as the exclusively straight. Let's assume for a moment that everyone is in fact born genetically bisexual, then conditioned to be straight. Assuming the conditioning is effective, would it not be possible that many people are in fact perfectly healthy and happily straight? Our personalities and identities are heavily influenced by environment. A huge part of what we are is learned, not inherited. Is our learned identity not valid? Not healthy? If it's not valid, then how much of it - just the sexual preference or all of it? Even if true the theory would be of little practical use. Learned traits are a huge part of our identity. If "straightness" has been learned effectively enough so that people have no idea they are actually genetically bi and no desire to act on it - then why would they be unhealthy? It becomes unhealthy when conditioning tries to replace a strong genetic desire. You can see that most obviously in transgender and homosexual people, not so much in the straight. If there is a genetic need to be bisexual, it sure doesn't seem important to many straight people. There are straight people, there are gay people, and there a whole lot of in between. Each will be partly influenced by genetics, and partly by environment. None of them are "wrong", and all should be free to choose any label and pursue any lifestyle without others pretending there is only one correct way. Blindman can you not understand that labelling everyone as either bisexual or unhealthy is no different to telling them that God says you are straight or a sinner? That's what you have done here, several times. It's wrong (or to be very generous - unimportant), and it's definitely offensive. Sorry folks, but that's why it's got a little heated in here. If you want to see it get really ugly, jump on to a gay forum and tell them they are really all repressed bisexuals. Remember to duck for cover. Wouldn't recommend it with the lesbians, you will need the witness protection program to get out of that one. Why would it be considered any less offensive here?
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RHP User
11 years ago
I think bi/gay is more except able now than what it was, never consideed myself bi, but happy in threesome or swinging to be bi maybe because I am older, & because it is more acceptable
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LetsFrolic
11 years ago
Is some pressure.. sometimes its a way to rebel or gor attention.. still counts as conditioning. I worked as a hairdresser in some well named hair salons and have met many gay and transgender people. All have some story or are overly in touch with the other side so much they want to be it. Makes sense as female things are made to attract males too. I myself am straight and single but open minded enough that if i was with a couple i would be bi to make it more fun and equal. Ive had an ex girlfriend that used to like me wearing her undies.. and i admit they were comfy. Although im not a crossdresser.. but if i was drunk or the mood was right id do it for fun. and i compete in strongman And the thing that turns me o most of all is a hot woman I yearn for a gorgeous woman where i can just let all my gurads down with and melt into sensually.. Kinda expels pigeon holing and judgements a bit - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'SimonDoes' I am happy to explore the concept if we can, and with others have asked the question - what about gay people? Here it is again from my last post: "I'm not sure how all the gay and lesbian folks who have zero interest in the opposite sex feel about it? We've all (at least in our own little societal pockets) been through the same conditioning aimed at ensuring we are straight, but the stubborn fuckers insist on being completely gay. Not bi, just gay." (*1)There is of course a body of evidence that homosexuality is significantly influenced by genetics. There's not a "gay gene", but there are certainly gene groups that strongly influence the chance of being gay. It would explain why, despite the intense societal and cultural pressure to be straight, so many men and women are in fact exclusively homosexual. The theory that all are born bisexual but conditioned otherwise falls in a big screaming heap the moment you consider exclusively homosexual people. Nobody is conditioned to be homosexual in our society. Nobody. Yet there they are. Being gay/lesbian is a really difficult path, but there they are. That's people letting go of their conditioning to express something that is strongly influenced by genetics. There are hundreds of thousands of members on RHP, a site dedicated to enabling sexual activities that are not the norm. A huge percentage of people here have had to throw off at least some of the shackles of their societal conditioning to become non-monogamous. That's people letting go of their conditioning to express their more primal desires. Yet many of those same people can't throw off the same conditioning and be a little bit Bi? Maybe it's because it's just not in them. Maybe there's a set of genes that predisposes people to be exclusively straight? Are all of these homosexuals and hetero swingers unhealthy, repressed? (*2)Which brings us to the other point of contention - that those that do not identify as Bi are dysfunctional in some way. This would of course include the exclusively homosexual as well as the exclusively straight. Let's assume for a moment that everyone is in fact born genetically bisexual, then conditioned to be straight. Assuming the conditioning is effective, would it not be possible that many people are in fact perfectly healthy and happily straight? Our personalities and identities are heavily influenced by environment. A huge part of what we are is learned, not inherited. Is our learned identity not valid? Not healthy? If it's not valid, then how much of it - just the sexual preference or all of it? Even if true the theory would be of little practical use. Learned traits are a huge part of our identity. If "straightness" has been learned effectively enough so that people have no idea they are actually genetically bi and no desire to act on it - then why would they be unhealthy? It becomes unhealthy when conditioning tries to replace a strong genetic desire. You can see that most obviously in transgender and homosexual people, not so much in the straight. If there is a genetic need to be bisexual, it sure doesn't seem important to many straight people. There are straight people, there are gay people, and there a whole lot of in between. Each will be partly influenced by genetics, and partly by environment. None of them are "wrong", and all should be free to choose any label and pursue any lifestyle without others pretending there is only one correct way. Blindman can you not understand that labelling everyone as either bisexual or unhealthy is no different to telling them that God says you are straight or a sinner? That's what you have done here, several times. It's wrong (or to be very generous - unimportant), and it's definitely offensive. Sorry folks, but that's why it's got a little heated in here. If you want to see it get really ugly, jump on to a gay forum and tell them they are really all repressed bisexuals. Remember to duck for cover. Wouldn't recommend it with the lesbians, you will need the witness protection program to get out of that one. Why would it be considered any less offensive here? Addressing sections marks in RED.. and numbered with a star (*1) (*2) refs are marked with [#] (*1) This is incorrect. There are no genes associated with homosexuality or any sexuality. People often misunderstand what genes are. A gene is a small part of the DNA that is used to express a particular protein [6], nothing more. There is no known protein that makes you gay or straight and hence no known gene. Only a very small part of our DNA contains genes and until recently the rest was considered as Junk DNA. It is now become apparent the the extra DNA has function. One group controls the switching on and off of individual Genes, and another group controls the timing and coordinates the switching DNA. These extra functional groups are very strongley influenced by the environment, both inside and outside the body [7]. Up to now only TWO [5] studies have shown any correlation between inheritance ( DNA and RNA (only from the mother)) and tendency to be gay or not. Both studies only found a correlation in males and both studies concluded that this correlation is unexplained and thus inconclusive. There have been many studies looking for a genetic link to sexuality. All but the two above found no link, no correlation and most researches are of the opinion that there are no links [5]. Many studies have found very strong correlation between the sexuality of the parents, birth order, hormones in utero, and culture. All these are nothing to do with our DNA and it is more than clear that sexuality is completely influenced by environment. I know many gay people, as both lovers and friends. I always ask why? (I ask everyone) and the reason they say why is very diverse, some did to fit in with their peers, some because their first sexual experiences , or loves were same gender, some because of sexual abuse when young, most because they enjoyed same gender sex. Only very few (I only know 3 of dozens) have never had a sexual intimate experience with a female. I will not say why as they may be reading. It is an incorrect assumption to assume that all people feel pressure to be straight. most of the homosexual people I know felt that the pressure was to be gay. (*2)Dysfunctional is a word I continue to use for the very reason that dysfunction is with. Homophobia is dysfunctional and is very prevalent in our society [3][4]. Several studies have shown that people that are homophobic are much more likely to be aroused by homosexual sexual imagery and erotica [1][2]. Homophobia is born from internal sexual repression. There are two types of homophobia, external in which people are socially actively anti gay and internalized homophobia, these people seldom openly express any fear of homosexuality. A phobia is a dysfunction, and as most homophobic people are aroused by homosexual erotica. This is not to conclude they are homosexual but they most likely fantasize about same sex activity and thus come under the classification of Bisexual. Homophobia is common place and Two thirds of men have internalized homophobia [3][4]. There is plenty more evidence of wide spreed behavioral and cognitive dysfunctional as a result of the conflict between internal bisexual tendencies and cultural expectations. ______________________--=*=-- I will address more but I am short of time and having to find the references is hard work as I do not have notes on my study of sexuality in the past 7 years. There are dozens of studies, seminars, and journal entries I have read or listened to. I have extensive and systematic interviews ( informal and secret ) that exist in coded form and can not be referenced. I want to know why and have done for a long time. I am not just sprouting of the top of my head and I have no agenda apart from educational. I am providing references, I would expect the same from those making statements. References.[1] ( "Why Homophobes Hate", The Week, 2012 and ) [2] ( "Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?", Adams HE, Wright LW, Lohr BA (August 1996))[3] ( "Prevalence of Homophobia Survey", N.U.T. UK, 2008)[4] ("Prevalence of internalized homophobia" Adebajo SB1, Eluwa GI, Allman D, Myers T, Ahonsi BA. (Date unknown))[5] Please search my posts here on RHP to find references to these studies (will have the words homosexual). If you were providing refs then I would find them for you.[6] Google "Define genes"[7] Youtube search "DNA Documentary" cant remember name but UK BBC 201? full season.
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RHP User
11 years ago
(*2)Dysfunctional is a word I continue to use for the very reason that dysfunction is with many that are self declared heterosexuals.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Blindman I haven't spent anywhere near the time researching as you have and have no intention of starting now. I am aware of what I'm guessing are the studies you refer to and dismiss:"Study of gay brothers homes in on 'gay genes'". Google and you will find a New Scientist article and dozens of references to the recent study, and the related original study from way back in 1993*. For those that can't be bothered, here's an interesting snippet from New Scientist: "The study clearly links sexual orientation in men with two regions of the human genome that have been implicated before, one on the X chromosome and one on chromosome 8." There is some correlation between genetics and homosexuality is the gist of it. Not a "gay gene", but a region of our genome that appears to have a role in determining homosexuality. It's not conclusive, but it certainly adds to our understanding. Does anything else claim to be conclusive? Other than you of course. I have to wonder - are you saying that homosexuality doesn't have a genetic component, while also claiming that we are all bisexual thanks to our genes? Also no idea why you've raised homophobia? Obviously it's going to be one reason why bisexuality remains repressed in many people. But how does this support your claim that everyone is bisexual? I wonder if you just trying to infer that those that claim to be straight are homophobic? It's all very interesting reading I'm sure, but I doubt it does anything to support your claim that everyone is either bi or unhealthy. More importantly, it certainly won't do anything to lessen the offence caused by labelling a large section of society dysfunctional due to their sexual preference. *As an aside, I was studying genetics at the time (2nd year I think), and this was kind of a big deal. It stuck with me while I've forgotten just about everything else from the course. I went to look for the original study and found the more comprehensive recent one.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Due to the amount of time spent at the local Bunnings, I have gotten to know a few of the permanent staff. I recently found out, that one of the ladies husband finally came out of the closet....after 15 years of marriage. She never saw it coming and found it really hard to understand, how he didnt do it sooner or even discuss his feelings with her. He is now seeing another man. The funniest part, (not sure exactly what made her decide to do this) within 6 months after her husband coming out, she met a gay woman and is now dating her. She has a smile from ear to ear, and I hope for everyones sake involved, it all works out I belive a lack of communication is what causes all of lifes troubles.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Blindman you are so incorrect and wrong with your assumption of us all being bisexual . Such stupid remark . - Posted from rhpmobile
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AnnieWhichway
11 years ago
too much analysing perhaps. Doing my head in. Just accept each for what they are perhaps? Academics get paid to do research, write a "paper". And they finish it at great expense to whoever pays for that shit.Only for their research to be proven to be fucked up a short while later when someone else gets paid to do the same thing but comes out with their "correct" finding. So respect your argument blindman but refer to the above paragraph. I'll be guided by my feelings. I meet someone that's straight, bi or gay. Doesn't matter. They change sides later the only thing that will change in my view of them is that I will probably have greater respect for them to have the courage to be true to themselves and to do what they really want to do before its all too late and experience regret. I knew a lesbian for many years as a close friend. She seduced me one night to find out what it would be like to be with a male. I was her first. Now down the track, she has had 2 children and happily married. The opposite to the topic. Moral to that story. I'm such a great fuck, it will be life changing.................
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Annie_Whichway' too much analysing perhaps. And by way of proof...... a bunch of scientists studied an affliction termed "Restless Leg Syndrome" (I shall refer to it as RLS) .... an uncontrollable twitch in the rear of the legs that some people suffer from. After much analysis, these pointy headed boffins in lab coats deduced that the incidence of RLS could be significantly lessened..... through masturbation. Now,.... only a frikken nerdy boring scientist would consider masturbation.... instead of wild crazy wet and steamy sex. So why go fuck yourself when you can fuck someone else..... their sexuality doesn't matter as long as it works with yours... right!!!!
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AnnieWhichway
11 years ago
I should probably mention that I have also been the last male that one woman slept with..........ebbs and flows. Maybe an off night....
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RHP User
11 years ago
Annie. I have never turned a gay girl straight or bi, or a gay guy straight, or straight to gay. Had a few first time bi guys. I take it as my responsibility to take their MM cherry with all the care and empathy I can. That first time can be make or break for many guys that have finally got the courage to try it. Make it uncomfortable or unenjoyable and they may not be back for more and that would be a shame. Simon,I started a thread in November on that paper reported in Newscientist. I went and tracked it down and discovered that what NS reported was just sensationalism. BellRHYou present an excellent and verbosely outstanding argument. Though I will object to the not to subtle inference that I am blind and wrong. I am not blind, and if I am ever wrong I am very quick to remedy that and be right. I am assuming that I am not worthy of your effort to explain to me why I am wrong, and that your evidence is so irrefutably true and so concise that any monkey with tree swinging skills can understand it. DGAre you BI if you use you left and right hands to have a wank, and which hand is the masculine hand as next time I see a particular very homophobic friend of mine I will take great joy in explaining how using the wrong hand is a sign of gay tendencies. He does not know I am BI and I mess with him when he goes of on one of his bigoted anti gay rants.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67'DGAre you BI if you use you left and right hands to have a wank, and which hand is the masculine hand as next time I see a particular very homophobic friend of mine I will take great joy in explaining how using the wrong hand is a sign of gay tendencies. He does not know I am BI and I mess with him when he goes of on one of his bigoted anti gay rants. SheeeeeshPut both your hands on a shovel, Blindman.... the hole aint digging itself.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Posts are a bit like big cocks..There is only so much I can take in...ooooh look there's a pretty sparkly thread over there 😝🐱🐱🐱xxFreya
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RHP User
11 years ago
In my experience, my sexuality broadened after a crisis chapter in my life. Two years ago after a gym session I was having coffee in the coffee shop just below the gym. When a young male gym instructor came down to pick his coffee up, I caught myself eyeing him up. I dismissed the even with a half embarrassed grin. Since then I have had powerful sexual feelings towards select well muscled young men. Prior to this, I had only had sexual impulses towards women. I had it explained to me that my newly found bi-sexual impulses had probably remained latent within my psyche throughout my life but sometimes it will only take a personal crisis like I experienced to bring it to the surface. I hope this post has been useful to someone as for me, my new feelings and impulses took a lot of getting used to.
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RHP User
11 years ago
At the risk of upsetting a lot of people I think that being gay or lesbian for a lot is nothing more than fashionable. There are legitimate cases but for the majority I think it's justa long term fad
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RHP User
11 years ago
Yep you sure have upset me...Has anyone close to you agonised over their sexual orientation...been at risk of losing their job...been bullied at school...been rejected by friends and family...why would you say and think such a thing ?.Please explain xxFreya
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RHP User
11 years ago
Your statement doesnt upset me. Just makes me kind of sad for you having such a closed opinion. Thats like saying you are straight but its probably just a phase that will change to being gay one day.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'willowtree' Your statement doesnt upset me. Just makes me kind of sad for you having such a closed opinion. Thats like saying you are straight but its probably just a phase that will change to being gay one day. Making blanket assumptions about other peoples sexuality is always going to be tough to justify. But there's pages of it on this very thread. Check out the Likes on Willowtree's comment above for some delicious irony.
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Lovinit28andKC72
11 years ago
A closed mind truly is my biggest turn off.....😒
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RHP User
11 years ago
I think Hotbod is entitled to his opinion and he's game to share it, knowing the possible responses he might get. He's clear in saying it's what he personally thinks and I don't think he's saying anything hateful. (Bit predictable that I knew who the Like for his post belonged to before I checked it though!) I honestly am grateful when I read responses like his, because sometimes I forget that opinions like that exist on seemingly open-minded sites like this.
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RHP User
11 years ago
One should be careful when commenting on social standards. We are becoming more accepting and thus many more people feel less inhibition in regard to being open about their sexuality. It may look like gay and bisexuality is a popular fad but is not, the fad is being open about your sexuality, not your sexuality. Also the term fad does not apply it is more of a social evolution, progression.
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RHP User
11 years ago
It's not being closed minded My comments are based on expierience
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'hotbod39' It's not being closed minded My comments are based on expierience You turned gay for a bit and got over it?
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'hotbod39' It's not being closed minded My comments are based on experience Probably need to offer supporting reasons of that experience next time you offer the kind of opinion you did.It may assist others to understand your point of view.. DG
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RHP User
11 years ago
No I didnt I just know a few who thought they were and it turned out that they weren't and I told them they weren't gay from the start. I guess some like to find out for certain and that's there way of doing it
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'hotbod39' No I didnt I just know a few who thought they were and it turned out that they weren't and I told them they weren't gay from the start. I guess some like to find out for certain and that's there way of doing it You are prepared to generalise. Sexuality is fluid, and as others have said, when we live in societies that are accepting of the diversity of sexual expression, more people will express themselves across the spectrum of sexual choice. Its not about being "in fashion" its about being in touch with ourselves and our desires.
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