M66
Irreverence
March 15 2015
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RHP User
11 years ago
Simon I am sorry for what ever caused such pain. Most of have us have journied a road less travelled OR have we. I am out of this post as it appears it is going to get personal..oh hang on it already has.. Everyone is a domestic violence guru though...... oh yeah!! ...and guess what What about men!!! Abuse of any kind is terrible. Mental and physical. Fucking grow up people. Slamming either gender is not the answer. - Posted from rhpmobile
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madotara69
11 years ago
Cavey put up the thread, Cavey put in his poem for what ever reason, it hits home with me, so what is the problem.
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madotara69
11 years ago
At you inspirit, your post was not there.
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RHP User
11 years ago
"To everyone" for the contributions..ALL sides of the discussion have their validity, and that is the beauty of a debate.."A couple of curve balls"Including a couple of private messages.. Cheers to ALL..
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RHP User
11 years ago
First off, @SimonDoes you are my hero! Heartening to read the comments by a person who is clearly very skilled at articulatley and intelligently presenting the facts in a given topic of discussion where people present their opinions. Thank you. I respect and admire what you have been brave enough to say and wholeheartedly agree with your contention. Second, @inspirit. "It was a FUCKING joke. That's all. It wasn't sexual abuse" Cavey's post may well have been a joke - no question. I think it is really important to understand that regardless if it was fact or fiction, the act of ejaculating on someone (which he described) without their expressed consent (ie - if sleeping) does indeed classify legally as sexual assault (or in WA/NT as 'aggravated indecent assault'). That's law, not opinion and to present that particular post otherwise is incorrect. I find it ironic that you speak of aggresion and personal attacks when in your second post you display both of these behaviours (at SimonDoes and with your use of language). It is defiantly a passionate issue, and we are all entitled to our personal opinions although, as outlined above, we must make the distinction between what we might believe and what the law states. "Everyone is a domestic violence guru though...... oh yeah!! " Use of sarcasm aside, given domestic/sexual violence will happen to so many people throughout the course of their lives many of us can talk from a personal experience to the wider issue at hand. We have had people comment on this thread that have a legal background, and that experience lends them an acute perspective of the situation. "Fucking grow up people. Slamming either gender is not the answer." Everyone that has commented on this thread is over 18, and therefore an adult. Just because people have a different outlook on the topic doesn't mean they have to 'grow up' - it just means we might see things differently to how you do. People are responding to what a man wrote about doing to a woman. That is the only gendered equation in the conversation. I see a lot of people that express that they are 'out', in effect leaving the conversation because they don't like the direction in which it is heading. Fair enough, we are all entitled to make that choice. I for one have never been so 'in' to a topic and intend to continue to be drawn to a conversation (debate now, perhaps?) that I feel is such an important one to have. With love, ~KK x
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RHP User
11 years ago
What we can all agree on is that I am sure all our thoughts and support are with those affected by any of the issues raised. A thread which had the potential to get out of hand but didn't. Cavey, full respect for not "disappearing" from a thread where a lot of people may see it differently to you. Stick together people, value your friendships, be them cyber ones or real, despite differing opinions. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
Predictable and bullshit. That's what gets me a bit shirty about it. The diversions just need to be removed so that the real issues can be addressed and I've found a very direct approach to be effective. MeekaI get why you raised it, but unfortunately the way you did it sounds a lot like "she had it coming". It doesn't matter how much verbal abuse there was, nothing justifies a sexual assault. (Again I say only the ex knows if that's what it was in that particular relationship). InspiritI don't have any unique experience and thankfully nothing personally traumatic. 1 in 5 women have experienced sexual violence of some sort, and I do know and care about a lot of women. Do the math.You've also inadvertently raised another furphy. It's not man bashing, quite the contrary. Real men don't hurt women and are seriously embarrassed by those that do. I'm very happy to be a man, and would prefer my reputation wasn't sullied by a minority of cowards.My response is deliberately aggressive based on the audience that needs to be reached. That I do have some experience with.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Was directed at Simon, not Gypsies totally rude and unhelpful response. Secondly, Simon my comment is highlighting the fact that there are always two sides of the story. And I would never ever say anyone has anything coming To them. I resent that comment.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Of he did it to a stranger I would call him a dickhead. Would I think it was a sex offence. Yes probably. Would I think it was a sexual assault.... Personally no. I don't. Legally I accept that it is. Just don't have me on your jury, eh.
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RHP User
11 years ago
*smiles* "Thank you"I started it .. not about to leave because some people don't get me.. or do find me offensive. Your comments have been well constructed I think, and whilst there are ALWAYS mitigating circumstances to which either side of the table are not privvy, I personally have no problem engaging you :) Some of the participants have displayed conduct unbecoming, but then.. they MAY have reasons to be more offended then others.
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RHP User
11 years ago
The old guys in grey wigs get paid a lot of money to direct the jury as to what the elements of the law mean. Try taking Cavey and his ex out of the scenario, as personally judgements/prior knowledge would affect it. Put in Mr X and Mrs Meeka whilst applying each word to the scenario in it simplest form. (No history, revenge, reasons etc) Legal defenses to a similar scenario would be a whole different matter! Simon Does. ...I love ur passion 😚 - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
If that happened to me. Well who knows until you are in that situation but my gut feeling is that I would tell the guy he was a dickhead and that would be the end of it. To be honest given the responses above I am not going to tell you what I really think because it would start world war three and people don't seem to want to accept that as a woman I can have an alternat view on this particular act. I think I have already stated that I agree it fits the legal description. What more do you want from me then that?
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RHP User
11 years ago
Apologies Meeka now I have re read your post I slightly misread the last bit of it. It makes sense now. ...kind of!☺ I say you write what the hell you want, if people disagree with you as long as they do so nicely towards you its not an issue. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' Was directed at Simon, not Gypsies totally rude and unhelpful response. Secondly, Simon my comment is highlighting the fact that there are always two sides of the story. And I would never ever say anyone has anything coming To them. I resent that comment. This is an issue I am and have been passionate about for years Meeka and I dio get frustrated when I read something that appears to be blaming the victim. I'm not going to apologise for my passion or my expression of frustration.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Violence against men? Why the comments about domestic violence against men? =================================== I saw your post above come up in the thread after my comment about men suffering domestic violence as well.... Not sure if that was a timing thing or was any of your post directed toward myself?....If so precisely what was directed my way and why? If not then I'm glad I asked the question.
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MsJonesy
11 years ago
In an Australian first, Victoria Police has appointed an assistant commissioner responsible for tackling family violence. His responsibilities will include handling family violence, combating sexual assault and child abuse. This is on top of the Victorian Royal Commission into family violence which is due to report by the end of February 2016. There were more than 65,000 reports to police in 2013-14, an increase of 83% since 2009-10. Source: ABC news online
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' So the fact, assuming all this is true, that she verbally abused and threatening Cavey means..... Nothing? No comment on that at all. Domestic verbal abuse of men is acceptable?. And how are we to know what came first. Everyone is entitled to a different level of offence, but the law is the law as you've noted. What you have done in the post above is link verbal abuse to the later physical response. Why do you ask what came first? It would only matter what she did and when she did it if that could be used to justify the response. Or in other words - did she have it coming. Physical violence can sometimes be justified in self defence, sexual violence can never be justified. She could have threatened to cut his dick off while he slept and it still wouldn't make any difference. Now if he was afraid for his pecker and decided to bump her off first that would be a different story, but that's not the one we heard.
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RHP User
11 years ago
I give up. The argument is pointless when I don't believe there actually was an assault. In fact I think the suggestion is ridiculous and to speak about her as a victim is insulting. If it happened to me and someone called me a victim I would be insulted. Why would I let an immature act define me. Traumatized me. I am out of this conversation.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'SensualAries' Violence against men? Why the comments about domestic violence against men? =================================== I saw your post above come up in the thread after my comment about men suffering domestic violence as well.... Not sure if that was a timing thing or was any of your post directed toward myself?....If so precisely what was directed my way and why? If not then I'm glad I asked the question. Not specifically at you, but on re-reading your post it all fits. Domestic violence against men is a real issue too, although of significantly lower magnitude. When raised in the middle of a discussion about violence against women it's an attempt at distraction. Read my response again or the more succinct version from LuckDragon and see if you can get it.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Read the original question. We are all off topic so you have no right to tell somebody what they can or can not discuss.
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madotara69
11 years ago
Quoting 'SimonDoes' Why the comments about domestic violence against men? Did anybody deny it happens? Was the law quoted specifically about one gender? WTF does it have to do with the post that started all the controversy? I don't understand the point. Should we not call out men's bad behaviour against women because some of them are bad too?Is it ok to hurt women because men also get hurt?Do they 'have it coming'?Should we just ignore the whole thing because along with the 1 in 5 women who are subjected to sexual assault there are 1 in 20 men who have endured it too (nearly all at the hands of other men)? If anyone wants to have a discussion about domestic and sexual violence against men, start a new topic. It's also a serious issue. What it looks like here though is that it's been brought up in order to make violence against women seem a little less important. Yeah yeah sure women regularly get groped, and cat called, and beat up at home, occasionally they get cum flung at them, or get date raped, and one of them even gets killed by a partner every week in Australia. But men get hurt too! Can't these whiny women just man the fuck up like we do! Bullshit. How about we all man up and admit that there is a serious problem with men harassing and inflicting violence on women. Definitely not an issue I'm going to be quiet or subtle about. Fuck off with the comments about political correctness and the diversion about victimised men. It's not about you. It's about the millions of women that suffer at the hands of men every day. Bet you didn't see this coming Cavey, but thanks for the opportunity to discuss. Looks like we needed it. Perhaps, I share a story of why it is important. (back to back with Cavey's peom) When I was a 13 year old boy, joining the Australian Naval Reserve Cadets, first weekend posting on base and invited to drink alcohol in the officers mess, later on in the night drunk and in the sick bay being molested by a paedophile, wow WTF, I ran away to the comfort of the elder boys that calmed me down they all new what I was going through. Some time later a year or two abused, I mustered the courage to speak out as I saw my younger brother had been touched by this man. Mum and dad made a complaint and next thing detectives, years in the high court, all based on the fact No convictions had ever been made on the testimony of a child under the age of consent. Well our case went all the way to parliament, when the jury ruled shove the politics and change the law, this man is guilty, send him away. (open court, I can speak of it) Now the point;is that I managed to get through, fell in love with a woman, Tara you all know of and I have never abused her, I would never hurt her, so I know the difference with abuse first hand and thank fuck for irreverence and humour we cope. We have children, grown into adults, we laugh we joke, we tell each other to fuck off, we have arguments, we are friends we get through, abuse too well known it has no part in our relationship. So that is a fair point to maybe help you understand, you have your way for the fight, I have my way. And I have experience in this too, fuck off ?? I have managed the hate and have the right to express myself anyhow I like. Of course it is about me and the man I become. Diversion? Quite proud really, not losing my temper. Cavey is my friend and I am following his lead on his thread, no one else's Have a nice day, great to have this discussion.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Every time I read one of your posts, you show such wisdom and gentle strength in what you believe in. For someone of the tender age of only 25, you show such compassion, kindness and grace. A beautiful soul.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Thank you respect.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' I give up. The argument is pointless when I don't believe there actually was an assault. In fact I think the suggestion is ridiculous and to speak about her as a victim is insulting. If it happened to me and someone called me a victim I would be insulted. Why would I let an immature act define me. Traumatized me. I am out of this conversation. I agree, I doubt very much it would be considered an assault by the woman in question in the context described. I've been careful with that all along. It's up to her and her alone to decide what level of offence she takes, not you or I. You can do the same with any situation you're in and make use of the law if you choose to. I'm not even having a go at Cavey for doing it, who knows what was really going on there other than the two of them. I understand why others are though, and it wasn't very clever to raise it the way he did. Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing. I only commented at all when you raised a more generic version and wrongly claimed it wasn't an assault (which you quickly corrected). I've only ever been talking about the legalities of the Cavey bedroom situation as an example, not how Cavey's ex feels about it - I have no idea how she feels. And I haven't called her a victim, I actually try not to use the word at all.
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RHP User
11 years ago
The situation might never have happened at all. . The Joke isn't funny.
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RHP User
11 years ago
That's a tough story to tell no doubt, and you are obviously a very strong character. Yours and Caveys comments had nothing to do with my rant though. I'm talking about men who try to divert discussions about violence against women by raising the issue of domestic violence by women against men.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' Read the original question. We are all off topic so you have no right to tell somebody what they can or can not discuss. But the comments were introduced in direct response to the discussion about violence against women. They have no place in that particular discussion and I explained why.
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madotara69
11 years ago
It's not actually so hard to tell the story, because it was such a controversial event it closed the loophole for syndicates especially, where many many young boys and girls were abused, I had counselling,hypnotherapy, support, the works, I had love. Truth is it is astounding at how many boys become men have been traumatised by abuse and many have troubles with the hate, no closure. No excuse as to simplifying by taking it out on women. It's just a terrible thing for all and everyone, we should not make it about the percentages, better understanding, starts with communicating, men,women, boys and girls, fight this together, I believe is better off over all for the statistics, which are not so accurate IMHO Cavey is much braver as his call has only just begun to be recognised. Shocking numbers of boys were abused by the Christian Brothers associations amongst many others. A disease upon society coming to light as the powers of diversion falls away. A song comes to mind, all from the drones of the engines on a jet plane. Bee Gees. I started a joke, that started the whole world crying. Off topic, but fuck I love music and the raw emotions comes of it. Irreverence.
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RHP User
11 years ago
typing up an instance where I was having a small tiff with my then lover and was refusing to have sex with him so he said he was going to fuck me behind my knee and cum in my ear. Sorta sounds a little bit similar to Cavey's now infamous incident that probably didn't even happen, but it did actually happen to me in reality. Did I say no to sex, YESDid he (what some people would say) force himself upon my knee and deposit his baby gravy on my ear, YESDid I consider myself a victim, NO Did I find it funny at the time, YES Did anyone on the forum jump up and down about the sexual assault I must have endured after they read it, NODid some people find it funny, YES from what I recall. Sometimes I think if you say something when you are a woman, you can get away with it but say it when you are a man and you can't.
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RHP User
11 years ago
You were awake. And then it was your decision to deal with it the way you did. . We don't have the other side of this supposed, 'not even a real story according to Cavey'. . On the flip side, men can get away with saying things that women can't too.
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RHP User
11 years ago
This is one time where I really don't get where you're coming from. . And I'm sorry, using the excuse that you were abused does not make it okay to abuse. Or give some special dispensation that you are allowed to tell DV jokes without any recrimination.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'SimonDoes'When raised in the middle of a discussion about violence against women it's an attempt at distraction. That is incorrect. You are claiming to know the intent of the person posting, and that the intention is ALWAYS the same for a certain topic. That is simply untrue.A person may raise a point to derail/distract from an issue, but they also might not be trying to do this. Whether a post is or isn't a distraction is a different matter and it is not determined by their intention - nor does the subject matter determine the intention of a post.
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RHP User
11 years ago
OH Yeah!! Let me tell you...."Do NOT masterbate and cum all over your sleeping partners face"IF you do... "Do NOT tell!!!"
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'MrsPeachyPearL' You were awake. And then it was your decision to deal with it the way you did. . We don't have the other side of this supposed, 'not even a real story according to Cavey'. . On the flip side, men can get away with saying things that women can't too. we should stop reading novels so people stop inflicting their imaginations upon us, maybe we should just makes jokes illegal because lets face it, someone is at the butt of them most of the time and some poor soul is going to get offended by it. I have dealt with my fair share of crap in life but I can still take a joke. AND as you say, it was my decision to deal with it the way I did, you are right... just as everyone else does when they let themselves be offended by others behaviour.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'S_OnTheLoose' Quoting 'SimonDoes'When raised in the middle of a discussion about violence against women it's an attempt at distraction. That is incorrect. You are claiming to know the intent of the person posting, and that the intention is ALWAYS the same for a certain topic. That is simply untrue.A person may raise a point to derail/distract from an issue, but they also might not be trying to do this. Whether a post is or isn't a distraction is a different matter and it is not determined by their intention - nor does the subject matter determine the intention of a post. That's true, the intention may well be different. I'll be more careful with that next time. The effect however is the same. I guess that those with good intentions would take on what I'm saying and understand it's a different conversation. Those that actually want to derail the discussion about women will keep trying. That's not happening here (yet) so that's a good sign (or maybe like the anti-PC crowd they were just scared off). Thanks for pointing that out.
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madotara69
11 years ago
Emotions are always going to run their course in these topics and ralf just posted her thoughts, I feel much the same. I had that movie American Pie in mind at the time as to the topic. The thread has wandered into domestic violence and sexual assault and law. So on that hand, I am expressing personal experience and little did I understand trauma as a child, counselling seemed focused on me managing my emotions and how they could effect me as a man. In hindsight I guess society had Tara and our children in mind and so glad you did and do.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Simon - articulate & intelligent - surprised at a lack of insight and indeed your own deflection - hmmm - cracking under a bit of pressure? =============================================================••••• Simon your post earlier: "Men who bleat "what about the men" when these issues come up always have something more to say. So what is your point Smiligwithfun?" ========•=•=============================••••==============•••========= My point merely responding to yours. In no way a distraction sir. Indeed "nobody" has the right to downplay abuse in any form - bad judgement to suggest such! =====================•••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• P.S. Forgive the formatting posted from iPhone & not a fan of the App.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Go to page five of this thread,read what Gypsy Wild has to say,educate yourself about the issues to do with violence towards women...have fifteen men inAustralia so far been murdered at the hands of their male partners no..who is Australian of the year and why? I find your comments arrogant and ignorant in the extreme.
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RHP User
11 years ago
I've always liked reading your posts. Saddening to see this personal attack though. Well I shall not respond to any crazy notion that I hold anything other than the utmost respect for basic human rights of individuals - regardless of gender or persuasion. And that is exactly My point , one which I do not retreat from.
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RHP User
11 years ago
I'm over holding back. My question to you! Where or when have I ever suggested that violence towards any gender is not totally abhorrent & particularly within the scantity of a family setting. I find your suggestion completely inaccurate and totally unacceptable.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Dislaimer: when I mention “you” below I am talking in the generic sense, not to anyone in particular. The thing is, men have many very real issues that should be discussed. But bringing them up in the context of a discussion about violence against women does the cause no favours at all. It looks like sour grapes. It looks like you are saying that we cop it so they should too. It looks like you are saying some of them had it coming. It looks like you are trying to derail an important conversation by selfishly insisting on making it about you. So even those that do it with out any malice at all are doing the wrong thing by both causes. In this particular instance you need to be very careful with it. In our hypothetical story we have a woman who’s a shrew and a man who’s been driven to sexual assault (technically and legally speaking at least). This thread is all over the place, but that’s what it’s about. Raising the issue of domestic abuse of men in this context will always look like an attempt to justify a sexual assault because the woman was a pain in the arse. Whether you mean to do that or not. Unfortunately there really are men who do this every chance they get, and it’s so easy to get tarred with their misogynist brush. It’s never going to work. Please pick better opportunities to stand up for the brothers, and I’ll be right there with you. I've said all I need to. Off to find something frivolous.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'GypsyWildNT' What did she do? Let me tell you about a guy that got five years for shooting his wife. It was justifiable homicide according to the judge. The justification: She said he had a small penis and she was leaving him. He spent five months in prison. That's how much the Queensland courts valued the life of that woman, a mother of three children. There are still those who believe if a woman is subjected to violence, she deserves it. And why focus on women? Because violence against women is the major cause of homelessness for women. It is the major contributor to poor mental for women. And so far this year 15 women have died at the hands of men, mostly partners or ex-partners. And that is just in Australia. Don't get me started on the global epidemic of violence against women. I too acknowledge violence against men happens, and as Simon said, that was being recognised throughout the thread. So let's not ask who cast the first stone, lets agree non-consensual sexual acts and any form of violence is unacceptable behaviour. According to theCounting Dead Women project by the anti-sexism group Destroy the Joint, which counts all female victims of violence regardless of the relationship involved, at least 22 women have died in 2015. . . The Domestic Violence Prevention Centre Gold Coast Inc says... This is their first paragraph and last; . The vast majority of dangerous, abusive and violent behavior that occurs in the privacy of people's homes is committed by men against women. The most recent information on violence in Australia comes from the Australian Bureau of Statistics, Personal Safety Survey (national survey of 16,400 adults in Australian aged 18 years and over) conducted in 2005. The first issue of this survey was conducted in 1996: . The majority of violence against men is committed by other men. Of men who reported that they had experienced physical violence in the 12 months before the survey, 73.7% said that the perpetrator was a male.
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RHP User
11 years ago
if I was the bitch from hell, if someone blew all over my face and hair when I was asleep, I would pack my bags and leave the "bukkake comedian" first thing in the morning. Plenty more respectful fellas out there.
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RHP User
11 years ago
I know you. And there is not a man on this site that I respect more than you. Yes yiur as dry as a nuns cunt. And I love it Oops the bishop just said I was irreverent and I have to go do a hundred push ups in the cucumber patch. I have no idea ti what post this happened in. But I know for a fact you have aot of respect for women . When I met you we had hours of great conversation . I have the same humour, people may not like it. Ivey mysekf ti bed every night thinking about that. This is my concerned face .....😴 - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
I meant cry myself to sleep. Listen people. I spent a lot if my time doing social work including in prisons and with sexual offenders , pedophiles. And victims if abuse both men and women. i have been a victim of abuse as a child and an adult. Dry and often rr event comments and yes politically incorrect comments are made about all serious issues. Death, war , disasters it's what humans sometimes do. Yes we make trivial dry comments . We whistle in the dark. This does not mean that we find war, disaster, human tragedy or domestic violence as someting we advocate . Being rr reverent can sometimes keep us sane and laughing. Most of you have never met this extra ordinary man. You have lept on your cyber high horse and dashed off ti gather kindling fir the bomb Fire. Any one that has never made an irreverent , racial. Sexist, homophobic ir politically incorrect remark please email me for your zealot match sticks. Salem rhp is alive and well. When you do social work and live in the great Abyss it's not as simple as looking up facts in the Internet . Men are not always the perpetrator I have seen some manipulations that would make your hair curl and the guy sitting in jail shell socked at how he got there. There are some women out there that eoukd make hitler look Like a choir boy . - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
You are right, and I know someone who had a shrew of a wife and he eventually left after years of physical and mental abuse. But it still doesnt give anyone the right to blame his partner for any kind of abuse. This guy admitted it gave him perverse pleasure to cover his sleeping wifes face in semen, and he didnt give a shit. Top that off with cheating with different women at the same time, and I fail to see a guy who demands respect. But, who knows whats all going on out there in this big bad world........
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RHP User
11 years ago
I can see the point you are making and I am sure Cavey could be an awesome guy to meet and likewise usually I would love his sense of humour. I personally don't think this was just humour, but thats only my opinion and has not been clarified. As a social worker I am sure you agree people are capable of showing their outer persona and we don't have a clue what goes on behind closed doors. The fact you like him isn't going to change peoples opinion. Dr Harold Shipman was a an upstanding respected pillar of a UK community.....he murdered over 250 victims. People see what we want them to see. Highly respected members of our society abuse their partners equally as much as the next person. Cavey chose to give us a glimpse behind his 'closed doors' and its a dark one, which a lot of people thought strongly about. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
I'm genuinly happy for you having met Cavey personally and sharing in a similiar style of humour - maybe that affords you a type of context that people like me, having never met him, are missing. It still doesn't negate the facts of this thread though; that is that there are members of RHP that found a comment (joke, whatever) about perfoming a non-consensual sex act on another person alarming, innapropriate and offensive. You write "I have no idea ti what post this happened in. But I know for a fact you have aot of respect for women" and I find that to be problematic. It means you are commenting to champion a person without attempting to understand the context of the situation. Your perogative, of course but you then go on to qualify your opinion of the situation with your various life experiences without possibly actually comprehending why this is such an impassioned topic of conversation for people that have made comments in opposition of Cavey's 'irreverant' treatment of a subject. "Most of you have never met this extra ordinary man. You have lept on your cyber high horse and dashed off ti gather kindling fir the bomb Fire." On a public forum it isn't mandatory that you have had to physically meet someone before you are entitled to form an opinion (be that in opposition or agreement) with what they have written. Just because I have my own stand on what Cavey wrote, it doesn't insinuate that I am on some 'cyber high horse', rather I have a differing viewpoint and personal perspective on what this man wrote and how it was presented. I don't think this should be polarised even further by creating an 'us againt them' divide between opposing ideals. "Any one that has never made an irreverent , racial. Sexist, homophobic ir politically incorrect remark please email me for your zealot match sticks." Maybe this speaks to a generational difference between us, but I would like to claim my matchsticks. When I was growing up and learning of the world I may have made comments that where racial, sexist, homophobic - whatever. But now I am an adult I think about the things I write and say, and the way in which I write and say them and even how they might have an impact on the people that will read or hear them (because contrary to the popular 'sticks and stones' argument words can and do damage). The vast majority of my friends, co-workers and co-learners at University don't make statements or jokes about instances of sexual assault (nor racial, homophobic or sexist remarks) because I think it's widely understood that the contemporary legal framwork empowers people to not have to tolerate it. Call it P.C if you will, but there now exists laws where the very act of speaking or writing racial, sexist or homophobic statements, jokes or arguments is considered to be in opposition of equal opportunity legeslation and people can and do act against it because it is considered to be 'hate' motivated. I'm glad that we as a culture and society are moving in this direction where power is legally given to particular people that have had to endure years of collective societal mentality where their voices cannot be heard and are not taken seriously by the popular majority. I'm not even going to enter into the gendered argument that is being thrown around, because it is quite simple. Men commit the VAST MAJORITY of sexual based crimes against both men and women and the original topic pertains to a person making light of sexual assault (against a woman, not a man). And finally - just to breifly speak on the notion of irreverance for a second. The definiton is having or showing a lack of respect for someone or something that is usually treated with respect. Cavey shared with us a beautiful pieceof writing about his personal experience with abuse at the hands of people in the church and his struggle in sharing this in regards to the law that stands in opposition against him. If I was to be irreverant about this topic, or make a joke about it (which I don't think I -ever- would regardless of the situation or context) how would that be percieved? Is that acceptable? Would it offend people? Is it even at the core, a subject that should be presented with humour or irreverance? Interesting to think about in the context of this conversation. With love and sparkly light, ~K xo
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RHP User
11 years ago
That guy was a dick, no to ways about it. My girlfriends husband once out sleeping tablets in her tea and fucked Her in her sleep. Now this guy was as mild mannered as can be. There had been a Mexican stand off , she was spending money they never had he cut the bank cards she refused him sex. She actually told me and was laughing about it. How about the cheating wife/ girlfriend that kisses her husband after she has just blown a guy? Or women fucking their woman friend and telling hubby they are just friends. Or bonking their hubby's mate. Things that might tip a man over the edge. Women have been known to suck men in their sleep. I humped a guys thigh till I came and he was sound asleep. He half work up but was that sexual assult? Anyone bonked a drunk chick/ guy? The topic was about being erreverent. There are people that behave badly , there are men and women that bully or emotionally black mail People to get what they want sexually. Most of these behavious have nothing to do with sex. They are about power and sex is just a means to take power. We are all complex little critters. All governed by circumstances that some times twist us into making terrible and some times tragic decisions. Or we become the victim of another's anger, frustration or lack of ability to control themselves. Gender violence to women is because we are weaker. Same to children . and then to men who are vulnerable may be unguarded or can't defend them selves, Violence finds its own path and its the path of least resistance - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
Regarding your last comment. I agree with all those things but just because a lot of people act in a disgraceful, disrespectful and unethical way doesn't make it acceptable though does it. I definitely agree that irreverent humour or just every day humour is a way that people cope with the horrific things that happen in this world. Although, I can also understand why some things cut too close to home for some. Slipping your wife a sleeping pill and bonking her while she was a sleep. That is scary. What did she think about that? The woman it happened to.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Your awesome. X
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RHP User
11 years ago
"That guy was a dick, no to ways about it" You do realise that if this was a response to Koko's comment, they guy she was referring to was Cavey, and what she was making reference to was what he wrote about in a seperate thread (you can find the link in the previous post). Just in case you hadn't read it yet. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
QUOTING lady T "That guy was a dick no two ways about it" in response to the scenario where you assume its some guy you don't know doing that act. (Actually as KK says Koko meant Cavey) Compare that to your strong defence of Cavey despite not knowing what act people are jumping on "their cyber high horse" about. Least we can agree on something though. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
The below aren't my words but from a respected sexual abuse support group. "Most people who abuse others were abused as children, but the reverse is not true: Most people abused as children do not go on to abuse others." - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
That doesn't make sense. I think you have missed a word or something?
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RHP User
11 years ago
Knew I should have thought about that for another second. ^_^
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RHP User
11 years ago
Think that makes us even now! - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
I am part of a respectable support group. Most people is the same as how long is a ball of string. I think Margaret thatcher determined that in an interview. That being said I did not know it was cavey that did that. Si cavey if ya did then your a dick for it. But I still like cavey and respect his views. In case your all wondering I am not bill Clinton and no I have not fucked cavey. We are friends. I came in a sleeping guys leg so there ta go guilty just as guilty. You will also find when you work with sexual offenders that most have indeed been exposed to predatory behaviours from a very early age. I have found that a few guys that go for much older women there first sex was with a much older woman usually a family friend ir neighbour. Usually befor the age of consent but we don't hear much about that one. Women can be sexual or predeters as well as men. But even worse are the boys put out there by their drug addict mothers. Or how safe are your kids? I have heard it a hundred times how guys riock up for casual sex to people's houses that have kids. you bring total strangers in yet if it were work with kids around your woukd expect some checks. People say we play when they sleep what if they wake up. What us it they notice and what if you fall asleep and there you are with a guy in your house you really Do not know. Yet no body does a hue abd cry? About what is going in now that us abuse. Leaving kids at home alone to get your rocks off. How about the ones that think it's funny when guys from here meet their teenage daughter abd want a threesome? Yeah take a good look at your own behaviours going on right now. Then look down the track to the person you have created. Abuse starts way down the trail. Cavey if he did that well he owned it. How many drunk guys and girls have pissed or thrown up on their partners and thought it funny? Yeh I thougt so. And exposing your kids to the risks from wanting a bit if in out? Yeah I thought so Lady t as blunt as a train smash I have known a woman that did a shit on my flat mates chest. He was passed out drunk abd he had just dumped her. It's just that cavey made the mistake of telling about it in his cavey way. The rest keep their indiscretions hidden - Posted from rhpmobile
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madotara69
11 years ago
Honestly I am not storking you, but in 56 pages of your posts, I had a flick through to see if I could find a post showing you are a dirty fucker. It soon became quite clear...... that pretty much every post you have ever written, (other than a brief time where you recited poetry, Freud or some ancient cave paintings deciphered in order of proving why you are so fckn hairy) it's actually hard to find one post where you are not a dirty fucker. So I suppose it must be true, you are a dirty fucker. *Shrugs*
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RHP User
11 years ago
Storking or stalking ? 😝
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RHP User
11 years ago
We must have led sheltered lives...as I can safely say have never; Left kids crying to get rocks off. Suggested a threesome with anyones teenage daughter Or shit on anyones chest either for that matter. Its been a while since I had a partner throw up on me at least! I get you are defending your friend, thats what friends do. You cumming against a guys leg you are in bed with is a different story. ....would he have consented to it if he was awake. I am betting so and no doubt would be happy for you to do it again. 😉 Think this is just one of many topics which people will always be split on I think. Those that 'know' Cavey equals....ah its just Cavey, just a dick, not a big deal, not sexual assault etc etc and laugh it off . Which unfortunately people said about Jimmy Saville too. Those who don't know him clearly had a very different opinion about the scenario. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
Going to something Lady Tuscan brought up.......I know of a woman who takes her young daughter on playdates as she cant get a babysitter. The little girl brings a book to read while mummy is busy. I know about her because I met a guy for a drink who was put in the situation when she turned up with the wee girl. I said "What did you do?" He said, "Well, I shagged her, but it was a bit uncomfortable with the kid next door". That was the one and only time I met him. That little girl will have the memories of going along to meet mummies friends with her little reading book for the rest of her life
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RHP User
11 years ago
I do not think I have ever been more disgusted by any comment more than the one comparing cavey to a serial killer. I have sat with a few murderers in My day. And your comment is really bloody over the line. Change your name to the un bloody believables Seriously I know thus has devided us on opinions. But my friendships with people on the other side are not compromised at all. But from your posts I do not think you would fit in my social nor intellectual or ethical circles but then I don't believe in God , so could never aspire to your lofty hights. Cavey being raised in an orphanage I know those monsters. Bit like the pious I see here at times. And red hot pie. Good for you for not shutting the post. Good ideas come out of the flames if a heated debate, It is about knowing a person offline. We have to trust our judgements some times and no we never get to know everything about a person heck we don't know our serves at times. But that's a stretch re cavey a potential serial killer , but ya never know what goes on there up in that cave. Just don't eat his mince pies. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
She tipped Her head back and laughed. Yes she should have been whipped for that and her husband castrated. The young uni guy/gal sending that little sparkly sweet ideal uni jargon... Takes me back a bit. Lots if it and Viet nam. Nice to see there still in there with flowers in their hair and changing the word for a better place. (Yes I am older than my profile) I love cbre land I am just not seeing that on the six o'clock news. Cavy and I are old scared and battle weary and maybe seen uglier things than paper cut in the copy machine. Us old folk we get things wrong but fuck it. We're at the end so we can look over our shoulder and spit. Guess what, because we did change a few things ta know. The things you take for granted today. Well Maybe us crusty old irreverent farts just might have made a path a little easier for you to tread. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
I do not think I have ever been more disgusted by any comment more than the one comparing cavey to a serial killer. I have sat with a few murderers in My day. And your comment is really bloody over the line. Change your name to the un bloody believables Fair enough if youminterpreted the analogy like that I suppose - but I have never been so disgusted as reading a comment made by a man about ejaculating over his ex wives sleeping face for 'perverse revenge pleasure' because she refused sex. And that was by Cavey actually presenting that as if he had done the act first hand, not him making an analogy or metaphor. That's what this thread is actually about, and when you were actually told about it without using a name (because you had failed to read it before rising to someones defence) you yourself said "he [cavey] is a dick, no to ways about it". So I guess we both take a level of offence. It's just that I don't know inbetweeners personally and I'll let them speak for themselves without blurring the context by asserting how wonderful I think they are as people.
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RHP User
11 years ago
"The young uni guy/gal sending that little sparkly sweet ideal uni jargo" A reference to me and my earlier post I will presume, given I stated I am attending Uni and ended my post with a sparkly reference. I reject how you present my gender with ferocity, because it is insulting and very backward and quite frankly paints a very transphobic image of yourself as a grown woman (and social worker, who'd have thought). I am a transexual not that it is any of your damn bussiness or concern. I use female pronouns which may have been relevant and astute if you had bothered to ask me. I have literally never been so upset at how someone on this platform has spoken about me and I think you owe me an apology for what you have said.
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madotara69
11 years ago
Quoting '50zcool' Storking or stalking ? 😝 Spell-check tried having me say stroking or stoking, so I just moved on quietly.
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RHP User
11 years ago
That's a strong attack. Sorry I don't fit into your social or intellectual circle but cupcake parties aren't my scene. I am quite sure Cavey hasn't bumped off 250 residents of Clackline . I think you know the analogy was about people often seeing people on the surface only. As for your crack at KK that was fucking low and shitty! I hope that sparkles not lost! - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
This thread is all over the place, Chaos can be craftily taken advantage of. Just sometimes though it's at ones peril - a litmus test of authenticity!
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RHP User
11 years ago
Please can we have no more personal attacks for who ppl are? Its not debating when personal choices are thrown back in ppls faces, its not how anyone should get their point across... Its hurtfull and toxic.
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RHP User
11 years ago
My response was a tad childish....it could have been worse. 😈 I have broad shoulders but felt for KK. Her contributions to this thread have been great and show knowledge, understanding and restraint beyond her 25 yrs. Sparkles all round there. ☺ - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Theinbetweeners' You cumming against a guys leg you are in bed with is a different story. ....would he have consented to it if he was awake. I am betting so and no doubt would be happy for you to do it again. 😉 What! This is the biggest load of hypocrisy I have seen!
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RHP User
11 years ago
But did you have permission ?
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RHP User
11 years ago
Nice pic !!!! -------------------------------------- Wel why not this thread has become anything and everything anywayz.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Theinbetweeners' Think this is just one of many topics which people will always be split on I think. Those that 'know' Cavey equals....ah its just Cavey, just a dick, not a big deal, not sexual assault etc etc and laugh it off . Which unfortunately people said about Jimmy Saville too. I don't know Cavey, I have read some of his comments over the years and haven't always agreed with him but I don't know him. I don't think we have even exchanged a personal email before. And I do not believe it was sexual assault......... THE SAME WAY YOU HAVE MADE THE SAME CONCLUSION ABOVE........ but it's okay if a woman does it to a man. Right? All guys secretly want it..... right? Sorry, but this comment to me has negated absolutely everything you have said to date. Total hypocrisy !
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RHP User
11 years ago
Mado: you went through them all??? Good GOD man!!! Lady T: It was truly a delightful day when I met you."Thank you for your Words"Meeka: I have NEVER hidden the fact that you are one of those people would most cherish the opportunity to meet:To all the others who said nice things... EVEN if you were pissed at my comments on the ORIGINAL post.. or this post.."Good onya's.... and.. from the amount of contributors.. AND the number of comments - this has APPARENTLY been a "Watched" post - THANK YOU all for that."To those who chose to attack others people over their personal views whether positive OR negative toward my blackguard self -- "NOT NICE!!!!".You know.. we all come from different Socio/economic environments... As Lady T said.. some of us have seen some UGLY stuff.. Honestly... I have done some BAD SHIT!! and I have paid for it.There are places I cannot go to.. there are entire countries I cannot travel to..There are a lot of things that a lot of you take for granted, and I am deprived of - because of what I have done.. and these deprivations are the consequences of those transgressions..I don't make excuses for them.I don't blame others for them.I dont appologise for them.And I don't give a fck if you like it/them/me one little bit All in all... "Thank you ALL"
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RHP User
11 years ago
I don't believe it is hypocritical. Do you really honestly believe the guy Lady T was with would not have consented or had previously expressed a strong request for her not to do that? The impression I got was it was a fun act...yes he was asleep but thats where the similarities end. Bit harsh that one comment you disagree with negates anything else previously written. Cavey, you really do have a good way with words. ☺ - Posted from rhpmobile
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madotara69
11 years ago
I started at page 56, 2010, and I think we were still on that other site before we got barred for life, never even sent us the balance of our membership fees. Set up we were, but then we may not have ever found RHP, It's all bright and cuddly in this joint, everyone gets on pretty nice, bit rough in the sandpit a while back, you lot over there in WA are a wild lot, sure there were more of you starting all the trouble back a couple years, what is it the wind Doctor livens you up, I saw it happen over in NZ, something to do with barometric pressures pressing your brains against the skull, or something like that., Yoga might help with that By the time I got to page 52, I'd seen enough.
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RHP User
11 years ago
*Chuckles*
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RHP User
11 years ago
Honey I really did not mean ti offend you by the girl/ guy thing. I just used it as I have no clue how younrefer to your self. You don't know me. These that do including a few transgenders know I am the Last person to have a go regarding that. Hey my boarder I has his nights when he goes out nas his female self. So no stones in these pockets. I was saying your young. That righty so your idealistic and most things are black and white until you get some life cataracts and the lines become s little blurry, I am genuinely sorry if I hurt your feelings . I had a go yes but not in the way you thought. I don't have time to write ti every one to warn them I am about to offend, humiliate, anger or make laugh. It is what it is in here. I am happy to apologise ti you. But I just will not apologise for being me. I have made it this far being pretty darn pleased that I am doing ok and i thinks it's going to be standing room only at my funeral and a fucking good laugh, If prople don't like what i say , that's not a bad thing at all. It means you have a brain and can decide for yourself. People think shit loads about me, I got to laugh when people say your a grown woman or grow up. You know that's insulting to kids. They have to be the most honest humans in the plannet yet we think it's childush and s bad thing if someone says something you don't like. If that be true then I aim never to grow up. Or that I have old fadhioned ideas ... Like being in a sex site in my sixtes umm Yep that's regular old fashioned grand Ma stuff. I am reading Mae wests auto biography now there was a gal ahead of her times. That's a good book you might like to read - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
Some people seem determined to make everything a gender issue. Meeka its irrelevant which gender it is! Its a circumstance and consent issue I was referring to. Lets not start the whole gender wars thing again please. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
"Honey I really did not mean ti offend you by the girl/ guy thing. I just used it as I have no clue how younrefer to your self." You could have just referred to me by my screen name, as everyone else does without having to mis-gender me. I never expected you to be apologetic about your point of view, everyone is entitled to that. I'm glad that you apologised for the way in which you described me and I accept that you didn't mean to use it as an insult. Thank you for clarifying. Next time, if you meet or talk to a trans* person and you are unsure as to how to refer to them I'll give you the hot tip. Ask them. With Love, KK.
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RHP User
11 years ago
When ireverence becomes damage control becomes a train wreck. Ego is a predictable beast.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Who is big enough to NOT retaliate ?
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madotara69
11 years ago
Quoting 'cavey50' Mado: you went through them all??? Good GOD man!!! Quoting 'madotara69' I started at page 56, 2010, and I think we were still on that other site before we got barred for life, never even sent us the balance of our membership fees. Set up we were, but then we may not have ever found RHP, It's all bright and cuddly in this joint, everyone gets on pretty nice, bit rough in the sandpit a while back, you lot over there in WA are a wild lot, sure there were more of you starting all the trouble back a couple years, what is it the wind Doctor livens you up, I saw it happen over in NZ, something to do with barometric pressures pressing your brains against the skull, or something like that., Yoga might help with that By the time I got to page 52, I'd seen enough. Quoting 'cavey50' *Chuckles* Well managed thread Cavey, It'd be fair to say the quoted conversation, a first with absolutely no arguments. Wind in the sails now, but may I ask? I don't care how you motivated the replies for the numbers for this thread to be "watched", no comment Who's watching it ?
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RHP User
11 years ago
Think of it in these terms. Your man does not want you. You get turned on because you have not had sex in years and your married right. So you can't be that unfaithful cheating wife can you? I was actually giving a female version if exactly what cavey said. And there you go. Hypocrit , yeah he had to love it right? He was a guy right? You know all guys can't help what they are pussy nis a pussy is a pussy. ? And I gather your the Cock and sack talking right? Yes I just took a leaf out if your book and made an huge assumption that was offensive. And though my cup cake parties are not your style that's fine. I like men who like strong women and actually like me. So not a chance in hell for an invite there sweet thing Apart from the fact the guy is an Olympic athlete with a few clues. I don't think that's you is it? There would be no point inviting an angry little ant. Who clearly finds me unpleasant. I tend to make love not war. But the crack about the cup cake party right out if left field. Don't be so frightened . I only bite if you ask nicely Ohh I am sure you could get really meaner like you implied. But that might just make you look smaller if that's possible? . Stick to the topic as much as i fascinate you darlink , your also not my type and be happy about that one. Ohhh aunty rhp. Here is my bottom I have been a very bad bad kitty - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
Thank you I have learnt someting and will follow that advice. 😘 - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
But I'm not biting.☺ Its Caveys post, he has stayed nice to all contributers and requested we do the same. I respect him for that and will ignore the continued offensive comments from you its like water off a ducks back. I jumped to KK's defence as I felt for her and later acknowldeged it was a childish comment I made. This thread was a reasonably structured debate till you came charging in without reading it all and threw insults around. Maybe we should quit the name calling as its not constructive or nice for anyone to read. Mwah 💋 - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
"Save your skin from the corrosive acids from the mouths of toxic people. Someone who just helped you to speak evil about another person can later help another person to speak evil about you." Israelmore Ayivor - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
Please explain why you found it funny .... To those of us who were bewildered as to why he felt the need to be sooo humorous?
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RHP User
11 years ago
"How long is a piece of string?"Surely everyone has a different sense of humour, and surely, THAT is ok yes?Obviously you read the Original comment I made in the post where all this started.WHICH is more then some people did.. Apparently..For example -I would never go to see Eddie Murphy in concert, nor would I purchase his "Comedy" CD's or DVD'sIn fact, I would not even watch them - finding them flat and offensive.Same with Robin Williams.BUT.. I love Tim Minchin humour..So.. if EVERYONE was like me.. Eddie Murphy and Robin Williams would NOT be stars.. (Albiet: one dead star)And Tim Minchin would be a SUPER SUPER star..We would ALL know what the other person was thinking at most times, and we would have nothing to share with our friends when we are trying to tell them how great we thought Tim Minchin was..PMG:If you were a Pycholanalyst, you would have an Theory on WHY I felt the need to be funny.If you were "paranoid schizophrenic".. you may think I was going to sneak into your room and laugh at you whilst you sleep..If you were...Ah.. fck this.. can someone ELSE answer the inquisitive Lady please...I need sleep now. I am all humoured out .. Sorry PMG
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RHP User
11 years ago
I believe that a woman has the right to choose what happens to her body...by Tim Minchin
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madotara69
11 years ago
It's not that it is funny to me, or it's not. Cavey put up the topic and it as far I can see was to express the story as an usual irreverent expression of humour Thanking his friends for accepting it as such, and for any offended a joke. Then posts began with regular posters having a friendly mention, respectable folk amongst the forums. Then the offended began posting of the tone, yeah ok you were joking but it was an act of sexually abusive domestic violence against women Well we know that it may well could have been, if not a joke. Cavey put up a post with a poem we are all becoming familiar too, as the organisation has been found out, and even tried stopping Cavey from making his poem public back in it's days a power So if anything the topic should have followed his thread, yet chose too cast that out and make the topic domestic violence against women and hard pressed directive. Then any man that posted of any nature abused as men, me one was told to pull my head in and don't make it about myself, then said it was not directed at me but was a post or two later with, this is a definite discussion about violence against women, men pick a thread about men appropriately subject to it brothers, see ya. By then I had become disrespected and Cavey was disrespected and the hate fuelled attacks were no less than violent abusive behaviour to claim the right of discussion of it, claiming defending abuse with a plum in the mouth by some of the posters. Hope everyone has a real good look in the mirror and faces the fact that it was the most ridiculous display of actioning a cause, purely self centred rants and chaotic hypercritical challenges from the strength of a fucking joke, for the likes The worst hijacked thread ever and bigotry is the word, right or wrong, it came first to mind. LadyT came into the thread purely defending a friend it does not matter what she said, she just said whatever for the worth standing by her disrespected friend, old school, It's no wonder why the best of the blokes seek her company. I don't care what anyone thinks of me, but Cavey put up his self and I out of pure respect stand by him as one other brother that when time calls we stick together, most well none of anyone who could possibly understand, I'll paint a picture of frightened boys traumatised huddled up fearing who is next. We will be back together some time later again. Some were killed, some were maimed, some were molested, some hung them selves, some had hate so deeply entrenched into their very soul they would never be mentally sane. I had counselling and hypnotherapy and a mother a family and a home. Cavey was an orphan boy in a house of pain and horror .(so what it's off the topic of abuse against women) And based upon a joke, the movement of angered men and women took their stand on the soap box in a thread posted by a man and irreverent humour, was attacked as criminal and abused and guess what Trend Setters, back in the poem he posted. The Brothers House paintme sat by him xx And go have a look at the nature of his replies throughout the thread and read what his friends have said about who he is in character too them, did you even bother to read his poem? Hopefully some of you see how you reacted and became on a matter so tame you were offended. Well the joke is on you. Oh, there is a petition could be signed on change.org for some law changes on protecting women of violent abuse, if caveys joke upset you, then best you don't read the words of the woman for why your signature could make a far better statement than this fluff. Twice of half it's length, is how long a piece of string is Cavey, how the fuck do you consider that irreverent.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Yes I was probably the first one to post that I thought the original post was just "cavey being cavey" and giving us his usual shock value "action for a reaction" on a subject.I laughed at the person, not the content.In retrospect I believe I have desensitised personally the longer Ive been on these forums. I personally thought it wasnt a true story when I read it.My assumption, Maybe I should have asked cavey first, before posting.But I dont do that here. I pidgeon hole posters in catagories of the ones I find funny,full of themselves,sweet,attention seekers, interesting, knowledgable, annoying or just plain sexual deviates.Based on how I have been reading their former posts. I tend to treat the forums as light entertainment for myself, have a laugh, learn some stuff that Im into isnt that weird because a bunch of other ppl have just posted they like the same kink as me.Or read someones fantasy and then want to explore it myself. I dont dissect every word in someones post, trying to find a double meaning so I can get on my soap box.Or looking for that one word in a post of a hundred words, and slamming the poster because they chose a word that changed the whole post in my eyes. I dont assume someone wrote it to have a dig at me or ruffle my feathers. My bad. Sorry, I will appologise publicly for having a light hearted approach to these forums.Again,I will add that I have desensitised on here. So thats my answer to the question why I took it as a joke. My reasoning doesnt, and wouldnt, change anyone elses reasons for how they react when they read things here.Its my reasonings. I recently had to defend something I wrote about myself because someone thought I was saying it to hurt them, and they verbalised it on here, So I tried to answer as clearly as I could, that It was about me and my thoughts, and not about them.They didnt accept my answer and still believe I had a hidden agenda to hurt them. I cant do any more to try and make that person understand what I wrote was about me( even though I used the words "me and I" in my post. Does it bother me? No. Because its their choice if they want to accept my reasoning in my response.I Cant do any more than that. So hopefully this rant ive just written will be answer enough behind the reason why I took it as a joke. I cant add any more to it. Im not talking about the content of caveys post, Im talking about why I originally posted.i shall now go back to my desensitised and one dimensional little fantasy world where everyone is happy little vegemites,having lots of hot satisfying sexual encounters and eating fairy floss.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Great post,thank you xxFreya
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madotara69
11 years ago
You just stay as you are and try keep that bubbly friendly nature, emotions come into here strong at times, sometimes it does not matter what you say, someone will vent on it a word even triggers something going on elsewhere and they see red. Other times some read only trigger words out of what you have written and only see red. No one is any better than you so you don't have to prove yourself, not if you are just being yourself. Yeah sometimes I write hundreds even thousands of words just because I like typing and I don't even have anything particular in mind, those posts are usually the ones people understand, when I think forget it, but I do bullshit a lot.
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AnnieWhichway
11 years ago
The forum is vast collection of humans, each with their own idiosyncrasies. Some overbearing, some timid. But it all clicks together when people like your self are there to balance it all out. So don't ever think that you can't come in here to add your views and thoughts, they will always be valued by the majority and an essential part of keeping the integrity of this collection of opinions and experience.
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AnnieWhichway
11 years ago
This thread has dealt with a number of issues that i wasn't willing to get involved. Not that i didnt care about them. But i see the post above from Cavey and note that here we are 10 pages in and he's still trying to justify his actions as humorous. And he states that Eddie Murphy and Robin Williams are flat and offensive? Fuck me. As you say, comedy is a personal thing of course. The difference is a good comic can accept his jokes missing their mark and move on, change the routine or perhaps hope for a better audience. Here you havnt accepted it. You made a whole topic to try and justify your sick attempt to change a perverted act to turn it to comedy to justify it in your own mind. Robim Williams was my hero. He endured depression his whole life like some of us in this forum. Yes, some of his work i didnt find as good as others. But i loved the person and respected his battle. So you lost me when you mention your own comedy efforts in the same post with the worlds greats. I could not even imagine the great Williams doing what you did and try and get a laugh from it. He was above that. Just accept what you did was not funny and move on whilst you still have some respect from your friends in here. I still respect some of your jokes and posts but my respect is dwindling. Not that is a biggie, its just my opinion and just calling it way i see it.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Paintmegold' Please explain why you found it funny .... To those of us who were bewildered as to why he felt the need to be sooo humorous? because in a world where you have to watch what you say, be careful you aren't offending anyone and filter every little thought before you verbalise it, I enjoy a joke because they ARE inappropriate. I have a sense of humour, apparently a very sought after thing on a site like this for a partner. Also on a site like this where everyone is trying to buck the conformity of society, here are the thought police telling us to stop thinking inappropriately. Can I see your Big Brother badge please? I have participated on joke threads and posted a lot of jokes that take the piss out of old people, women, men, different nationalities...the list goes on. Nobody stopped it. I throw it back to you, seeing you seem to be some authority on what is funny...tell us a joke that is funny that someone else isn't the butt of.
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RHP User
11 years ago
From something I wrote on the thread earlier. And finally - just to breifly speak on the notion of irreverance for a second. The definiton is having or showing a lack of respect for someone or something that is usually treated with respect. Cavey shared with us a beautiful piece of writing about his personal experience with abuse at the hands of people in the church and his struggle in sharing this in regards to the law that stands in opposition against him. If I was to be irreverant about this topic, or make a joke about it (which I don't think I -ever- would regardless of the situation or context) how would that be percieved? Is that acceptable? Would it offend people? Is it even at the core, a subject that should be presented with humour or irreverance? Interesting to think about in the context of this conversation. So to Madotara and Cavey specifically - Judging by what you have written about comedy and jokes it is acceptable to be irreverant about one type of abuse but not the other? Would it have an impact on you if people were to to present your story of abuse as an irreverant joke? And just one other thing @Madotara; Then posts began with regular posters having a friendly mention, respectable folk amongst the forums I honestly couldn't care less if the 'respectable' regular's of the forum disagree with the contention I continue to make. I'm still entitled to write about it on a free platform (respectable, regular or not) and the assertion that you make continue to suggest that only some people's opinions are valid is quite frankly bullshit. With love, (the irregular and highly unrespected) Kallysta. x
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