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Ís "Karma" a Comfort Word ? - a totally non sexual forum topic
September 28 2012
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RHP User
13 years ago
to have a belief in the laws of karma you probably need to believe in reincarnation,it could take many lifetimes for the bad karma to ''ripen'',and for that person to ''get theirs " so to speak.The same law applies to good karma. So just because someone behaves badly in this life ,t does not mean that they will necessarily suffer the consequences of their actions any time soon. I personally believe that the best revenge is to be happy in spite of other people's actions towards us,and that forgiveness is the most liberating thing we can do...not for the other person but for ourselves.If we don't, we maintain ourselves in that state of pain and suffering and still allow the person who harmed us to keep us there. Conversely,I do believe that eventually time wounds all heels,do I have proof,indeed I do Miss Velvet Blue
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Paradisepair
13 years ago
I do believe in the concept of balance, and that people's true motives will be revealed and that both good and bad actions will result in feedback of the same nature. Do I have examples of Karma at play? Not many but I have seen cruel and hurtful people have horrible things happen to them, but I've also seen horrible things happen to innocents. Tied into this principal that shit happens, for me, is a belief in lessons that must be learnt and faith that negative outcomes clear and pave the way for wonderful possibilities.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Philosophical, That can't be good, Iv'e been writing an article on Foreign Investment in Australian agrarian activities, needed a break and thought i would come over herefor a little while.Sooo Karma, I have used that term more than once.Is it a ccomfort word......Maybe, sometimes it's all we can hang onto...lolDo I believe in it...nahhh to many evil doers prosper...lolAs a form of justice it sucks, big time.Happy Philosophising Velvet!Cheers Felonious
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RHP User
13 years ago
...i've been known to free a spider from the toilet bowl before peeing on him ... if the arachnids ever take over the world, at least i'll be looked afterAn early Buddhist teaching says: "What we are today comes from our thoughts of yesterday, and our present thoughts build our life of tomorrow. Our life is the creation of our mind". Karma means intended action, and is a dynamic concept. It is not fate or predestination, but a consequence of what has gone before. In other words, you are now in circumstances because of your thoughts and decisions, and this is an on-going process. That is, new actions create new Karma. "Do not overlook negative actions merely because they are small; however small a spark may be, it can burn down a haystack as big as a mountain.""Do not overlook tiny good actions, thinking they are of no benefit; even tiny drops of water in the end will fill a huge vessel." In the West, we often associate Karma with fate and it has this idea of a future which is predetermined. In Buddhism, Karma is the reaping of past actions, but also offers the possibility of determining our own future with our actions and thoughts today. This means that no future event is locked in, and what happens today and tomorrow will create the personal and global world of the future.
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RHP User
13 years ago
But like Ms Velvet (hello Velvet) I no longer believe rotten things happen to good people, good things happen to rotten people I think people dont get what they deserve.............good or bad and people rarely get what they deserve either way
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RHP User
13 years ago
Karma extends to the belief in past lives. If you believe in past lives, do not believe that you were as pretty and lucky and charming and clever and nice as what you are in this life time. God knows the dues I'm paying for. It is up to me now to be kind, patient, forgiving and compassionate.Lucky i'm me today I tell ya!! That stupid bitch in the silver Honda who would not let me pass - braked on purpose then eyed me in the fucking review mirror!!! - may not be alive if I was that past life bitch psycho serial killer (who certainly wants to come out when giving up smoking).sigh!!! ... I kept good karma.... she may go home tonight.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Karma is a myth like God.
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RHP User
13 years ago
...or some people's belief that a mystical force will punish wrong dooers and reward the righteous. As you say, it's comfort, like faith in an omnipresent being. Your quote of the Buddha's meaning has me viewing it differently though. Let me give you an example. Jennylee's ex is a particularly unpleasant man. Every time we've looked to be getting ahead, he would start some kind of trouble. When I bought Jennylee an old Jaguar-Daimler (for only $10,000) the man decided that we had too much money (inspite of the fact that he has a six figure salary and earns double our income) so he opened a case against her with Centrelink claiming that he deserves a greater portion of the family payments for their kids and wanting it back dated. Her payments were canceled and she was ordered to repay funds. She appealed, it was looked at more closely and the case as decided against him. In retaliation, he claimed he was paying too much child support inspite of the fact that he was actually paying less then Centrelink advised. Again it was found against him so he started telling the children that she didn't really want them, just the money she was getting for keeping them. When we bought our five acres in the hills, before we could get the money together to start building, he took Jenny to court for full custody of their son, James. His claim was that Jenny as an unfit mother, I was violent and dangerous and as we were living in a caravan until our home was built, that the living conditions were unsanitary. He had already tried to take James away on this claim and called the police. The police came, inspected our living conditions and said they were satisfied that James was safe, happy and healthy and would not assist him. He was also told not to call the police again (it hadn't been the first time). Still, we recieved summons on a Friday to appear in court on the following Monday. He had paid off his youngest daughter (yes she accepted money to turn on her mother) and her best friend to back his claims. The eldest daughter vlunteered to back us in court but we were confident that with the letters of support from the school and child care center the judge would see the truth of the matter and we didn't want both the daughters drawing up sides. Well he could afford an expensive lawyer who spoke over Jenny in court. She was clearly flustered and I was not allowed to speak. He won full custody of James. We appealed with legal aid and won back access (less actual time than before but more weekends so we were actually pleased with the outcome). Jennylee had developed an alcohol dependency during her first marriage due to the emotional and psychological abuse inflicted on her and he was able to use this history against her in insisting that she was unfit. Thankfully, this incident gave her the push she needed to finally beat the bottle and she has been completely dry now for nearly twenty two months. Okay, ...sorry, ...getting to the point now (finally). Jenny has battled abuse, clinical depression and alcoholism. I have an injury to three discs in my lower back and live on Digesic, Codiene and anti-inflamatories. We are not rich people and we struggle, scrimp and save for everything we've got but you know what...? We are still very much in love and we are happy. We have six kids who love us unconditionally (and one who loves her mum when it suits her). We have our modest property and a relaxed lifestyle. This man who, through underhanded manipulations and deceit, was able to defeat us in court, has a large (and greatly untouched) disposable income and his health has not had a long term relationship since Jennylee left him elevan years ago. Every woman he has been out with, he has tried to control in the manner that he used to control Jennylee and when they refuse, he insists that they are "psycho" and the relationship ends. This is a sad, bitter, lonely man who will never be loved because he is incapable of loving. To me, that is Karma. p.s. Again, I'm sorry for the length of my post. I know a lot of you have short attention spans and to those of you who made it to the end, I hope you found it worth your time. .
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RHP User
13 years ago
I think that the concept of Karma has been twisted by perception. It is not about getting revenge, just desserts etc. It is about putting out into the world the love and compassion within yourself for the benefit of others and by that action causing the return of those positives. Not that bad people will have bad things happen to them.
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boots_69
13 years ago
As a believer of what goes around comes around yes I do think that karma is at work. Do I think that there will be a ledger that will be balanced over my lifetime - no.Can I say that because I did this - that happened, on a macro scale no on a micro one - hmm easily.Look small and karma is easy to see. Cheers Boots
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RHP User
13 years ago
she's clutching at straws. People do use karma as comfort because they don't know it's meaning. I expected coodi to know what it meant because of things he's previously said...he's a thoughtful guy. I'm still wrapping my head around the whole " mindfulness" concept but it's pretty damn liberating. As CY said, it is an action (or thought). But that is just the tip of the iceberg. Shit happens! Whether someone is going to suffer because of something they've done to us shouldn't matter, it's how we deal with it. We always believe we have to get even with someone that has done us wrong, or crave something or someone, be better then the next person or jealous of them. They're all negative actions that eat away at us. To understand karma properly, you should know something about dharma. What it comes down to is being truly happy within yourself, and it's pretty confonting having to be honest with yourself to get there. I don't consider myself deep, I don't believe in god and I'm not a buddhist...just a happy, positive, normal guy... or I try to be :)
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RHP User
13 years ago
I told my son three times to come home from the skate park...NOW!!!!! An hour went by and then I got a phone call that he has had an accident. Knocked his front tooth clean out. Had he done as he was told, he would not have had that face-plant into the concrete on the half pipe. . fireworksfor3...you need to justify that inflamatory comment with a simple IMO as not all agree with your myth theory and certainly some will be offended by it. . Yes bad things happen to nice people and nasty people, thugs and crooks do prosper. I also believe that we are here to learn a lesson. It is not ours to determine the lesson but is preordained. We do reap what we sow and are masters of our own destiny. I do beleive in past lives, and reincarnation but no I do not hold to the theory that we are all just one giant SIMs game for God.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'VilleGirl'I think that the concept of Karma has been twisted by perception. It is not about getting revenge, just desserts etc. It is about putting out into the world the love and compassion within yourself for the benefit of others and by that action causing the return of those positives. Not that bad people will have bad things happen to them. well said 'VilleGirl' couldn't agree more
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'VilleGirl' I think that the concept of Karma has been twisted by perception. It is not about getting revenge, just desserts etc. It is about putting out into the world the love and compassion within yourself for the benefit of others and by that action causing the return of those positives. Not that bad people will have bad things happen to them. "all that I give is given to myself"
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RHP User
13 years ago
Jahman you said it, that’s pretty rings true in my ears. I am a Property Manager and come across many, many bad things. It’s not always easy to be positive, don’t judge the person on his/ her looks, clothes, financial statues or even smell>>>>LOL. To be threatened, had my tyres slashes at my home, to be called names and still believe most people are wonderful takes a big strong talking to myself most days. I never give up loving people. But I seen destruction after a while in people who just cant or don’t care what they do in a home, Karma is when they settle down and have to live on the street because no one will rent to same again. But these are stories I keep. I also keep telling people you can never get ahead when you don’t settle the old things which hang on you, this stuff will not go away until you face them. I am not a person who says. Why me…..why me. Its just is…..life is a journey to learn and grow. What I do with all my challenges is up to me. I can not blame the system, my parents, my kids, my work, my world. It’s up to me to change what I don’t like, or like what I can’t change. It’s up to me to change my thinking. What make me happy exactly this things. Karma……I must have been a very bad person in my former life because I lost people I loved early in my life, I was happy. Then I am happy now….Ahh, and I must have been a bloody thief and someone cut my hands off in one of my former life’s….lol because in this lifetime I have a disability, ( is it one?) My hands are dislocated from my wrists it’s called Mandalong deformity. So all this can destroy you or makes you stronger. Litonya.
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RHP User
13 years ago
I really enjoy hearingother peoples thoughts and experiences on non sexual subjects...I love the insights of you all...thankyou for sharing... Jensman...what can I say..thankyou for sharing such a personal story...Im so glad in this crazy mixed up world that you and Jennylee found each other..gives hope for the rest of us..and Im so glad to heat Jennylee is doing well..:) Handmaiden..your post made me smile...kids rite !!!
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RHP User
13 years ago
....This is a perfect example of karma. Karma is about choice. Everyday we are confronted with things, events, people, health conditions etc that challenge us. It is how we respond to them and how we view them... The fact that all this fucking drama led jennylee to heal. The fact she has an amazing honest open supporting partner like yourself.... This is a perfect eg of karma; though he's an arse of an ex husband (and man in general by the sounds) he's a catalyst for you feeling and knowing and having what really matters : love, each other, kids, the health anf the money you do have etc.... My ex has behaved in ways many would consider unforgivable. But I am in a place now I wouldn't change for quids: he has been my catalyst for so many amazing strengths that I have discovered.... I loved him in the beginning and I love him in the end - this does not mean I have to like or put up with his shit.... There is two sides to every coin - be grateful there's a coin at all ... Love to you n family jensman! .. Cassandra xx
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RHP User
13 years ago
... hugs xx
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RHP User
13 years ago
I am a painter and two of us work together every day. We are always confronted by painting over a spider or other insect or whatever. Sometimes I am working so fast that...blam...you just painted a spider and cant save it, and I feel like sht ha ha. We always try and save any little crittur or relocate them, and we got a saying called "spider karma" where we think the spiders will get us back if we dont save them, or show remorse if we couldnt. I was painting a swimming pool complex, and there was a swallows nest in one corner, bits of mud n bird poo all round it, and lil babies in the nest. I cleaned all the wall round the nest, and carefully painted round the edges of the nest. Next morning I come to work, the nest is gone and a note left saying, "don't forget to paint that corner". I fkn lost it! It was a huge complex, Hundreds of square metres of walsl, and hey, so a 6 inch circle wasnt painted? Man I was angry. I invoked the swallow karma gods that day.I believe we reap what we sow, but yes, sometimes assholes in life seem to have everything, and awesome ppl get nothing but sht, so karma doesnt seem evident at times. I often see tho, that the said assholes aren't really happy internally, and the awesome ppl often are, so hey.....shrugs.... I think the original concept of Karma doesnt reveal itself in day to day life, (tho I wish it would), but more so if one believes in reincarnation, that is to say, your past lifes Karma will catch up with you when you are "reborn". Seems unjust tho, the assholes are reborn as a lower life, but have no memory of bein a prick in their last one ha ha.......dam
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RHP User
13 years ago
... my phone won't allow me to do justice to your thread. A topic best suited over a nice bottle. But yes, I do believe I have evidence of karma. One story that comes to mind is of a colleague who was (shall we say) mean spirited to me on a regular basis. I always felt sorry for her. One week was exceptionally bad. On my part it was all deep breaths and a "it will get better" attitude. But on this one day I went home a broken woman (but still did not feel any ill towards her). I arrived at work the next day emotionally pained. My colleague was not at work that day or for the next 6 months. She had been in a car accident on her way home from work and had sustained an injury to her neck and back. I can not begin to explain how I felt that day. Did I like the woman? No. But did I wish her any ill? No, not at all. KK xx
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RHP User
13 years ago
I am only responsible for myself. I look at all my thoughts, words and actions and make sure they are all positive and honour me as a person. Doing negative things, hurtful things are only showing to the world that a person does not hold themselves in high regard. I kinda think that the whole of each lifetime is taken into account - more good or more bad and that karma is carried over to the next lifetime. Its possible in each lifetime to reach the point where there is no more karmic debt and you can move forward and grow as fast as you choose to. And I've been there with the emotionally abusive ex husband with a drug and alcohol problem. He works maybe 3 months of the year and rarely pays maintenance for our 3 kids. I have 2 jobs and a mortgage and a roller derby addiction (lol) and to me life is great. Its how I choose to see it. I don't see it as 'karma' that he's a bitter and angry individual. I just see it as sad. I wish I could express better how I feel, to me its bigger, more abstract, and its difficult to put into words, but I hope you get the gist of what I'm saying...
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RHP User
13 years ago
... nearly 10 years ago i was camping with some friends, my wife included. It was a big night, plenty of alcohol and laughs. My best friend had brought along his new work mate, everyone there had met him before so he was no stranger. During the course of the night i noticed the constant flirting between he and my wife, this made me a little upset, drunk and not in the mood for partying anymore i headed off to bed... angry and thinking about what i had been witnessing during the night. Hours later my wife stumbled into the bed, problem was she had fallen over a pile of wood near the tent and as a result had cut her leg open. I probably wasn't as empathetic as i should have been, for obvious reasons ...but i just couldn't help but think something had happened between them both that night and this was the result of that... 9 months had now passed and during that time my wife had had an affair with this guy, and would you believe that was the first night they shared a kiss... my intuition was right!! That was nearly 10 years ago, she has a wonderful life and 3 beautiful kids now, of course i was angry at first but i've always wanted the best for her, it's just a shame she didn't have the courage to walk away earlier. When i heard she fell pregnant i was so excited for her, i just had hope it was mine. Another twist to the story is that 2 years down the track, after he first child, she was diagnosed with SLE (systemic lupus erythematosus)...I'm not sure if this is karma in action but i love the expression... 'shit happens for a reason' and i believe there are many hidden secrets in those little coincidences we sometimes laugh off as being ridiculous or pure chance, the good and the bad ...there's lessons to be learnt in those moments i think. I've never wished hurtful shit on my wife as i see this to be of no benefit to me. A true test of character is how we pull through when faced with adversity, and i like to think i've gained a few karma points along the way. My ex-wife and i are good people, both with good karma i believe, it's just sometimes good people make rotten choices. Our thoughts, words and actions directly influence us, the universe and the people in it. I've had my up's and downs, but lived a fortunate life... mainly because of the decisions i've made along the way and my positive outlook on life...
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RHP User
13 years ago
~aww shucks~ i enjoy your headspace too
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'VilleGirl'I think that the concept of Karma has been twisted by perception. It is not about getting revenge, just desserts etc. It is about putting out into the world the love and compassion within yourself for the benefit of others and by that action causing the return of those positives. Not that bad people will have bad things happen to them. Perfectly said! Growing up I was raised to give what you have to others and expect nothing in return. Within our family we have never had to go without and have always found the money to do what we needed to do. As a child I remembered the companies my dad was employed through constantly going under, yet he was always able to walk into a job soon after. Even through times of unemployment, my parents kept the same attitude - share what we have with others who need it. I think this is one of the biggest life lessons I have carried through to my adult life, and because of it, Karma (or whatever else you want to refer to it as) often presents itself in my life. In simple terms, what goes around, comes around. And I am a huge believer in that!
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RHP User
13 years ago
I once heard a Tibetan Lama say to a group of his students,''Westerners have amazing karma,you are so fortunate,you have so much compared to the rest of the world.But you dont seem to have the karma to enjoy it"...that observation by a man I have the utmost respect for,who survived fifteen years in a Chinese prison, and who was one of the most compassionate people I have ever met ,has stayed with me for nearly twenty years.Every time I am tempted to have my little pity party for one I remind myself of his words.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Hahaha!!
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RHP User
13 years ago
On many occassions Karma has happened for me, well perpetrations against me that is, the perpetrator/s got their just deserts, usually any injustice to myself the other person I found(after the event) has had something happen. One dude annoyed, pestered, bullied the hell out of me at work, I found out sometime later that this guy got his lights knocked out, turns out I was not the only one he pestered, and he annoyed one person too many. A supervisor in a factory I worked at had a disliking for people of a particular culture namely Asians and Middle Easterners, most people of that culture did not last in her section, many times she tried to find reason to dismiss me, she eventually found a reason, I could have gone unfair dismissal but thought it was not worth it, it was not a good place to work in. Months down the track the factory closed, coincidence or Karma? Many other examples that seem too coincidental to be anything else but. I believe there is good Karma and Bad Karma, if something is intentional especially in a bad way then often I have seen people been bitten on the bum by their actions.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Sacral,I agree that Karma for me is really hard to explain but its something that I would like to think exists. Glad to hear that your positive after an abusive relationship.On a side note and totally off topic - what would be your roller derby name? LOLCheers,W.
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RHP User
13 years ago
You two have been having a rough time. My ex-husband did something similar to me with Centrelink. I hope things get better for you both with everything. As for karma, I've seen many people bitten by karma's big sharp teeth. All that's needed is a little patience.
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RHP User
13 years ago
The good times still far outweigh the bad. Live well and prosper. (There's no Vulcan hand signal here so this'll have to do.)
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RHP User
13 years ago
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RHP User
13 years ago
Sorry? What were you saying again?~scratches head~
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