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Your Sex - "non-specifc"
April 03 2014
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RHP User
12 years ago
why not? It seems to me like a bit of freedom from labels for people who do not seem to be able to be categorised as either. I am not sure that it is something that would be commonly used from birth as a lot of these gender issues (other than those born as hermaphrodites) are not evident until they are toddlers or beyond. As a parent myself, I am not sure if I would change a birth certificate until my child wanted to and certainly not until an age/time where they are sure and are aware of what it means (not being sure what it means myself). I also feel the numbers are quite high. It is certainly an interesting topic and one that I am not knowledgeable about either.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I can (choose to) "identify" as a dog, BUT that does not make it my physical reality. This ruling opens the door for quite a lot of scary stuff. Say ted bundy finds a psychiatrist to support his "belief" that he's neither and gets his birth certificate changed perhaps that means he has the legal right to use female toilets and other segregated areas, in spite of the fact that his penis is just as functional as ever. Sorry, but a persons thoughts "beliefs" don't always override reality and shouldn't take pecedence over the safety of others Just my opinion. - Posted from rhpmobile
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madotara69
12 years ago
I'm a Leo, I like Hot English Mustard, Tara holds her wee wee shut when busting for a piss. Doesn't seem to help she said, so she must just like holding it,her wee wee and I am fond of holding mine for any reason what so ever even during a piss. Am I a girl and she be a man, we are just lovers as one, with similar interesting ways for holding onto a piss. The rest is a little difficult to fully understand, people have emotions to this, do not wish to offend, as I don't have any meanings, I'd be only talking shit. Mado Mado Tara xx
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madotara69
12 years ago
Quoting 'sam_jones' I can (choose to) "identify" as a dog, BUT that does not make it my physical reality. This ruling opens the door for quite a lot of scary stuff. Say ted bundy finds a psychiatrist to support his "belief" that he's neither and gets his birth certificate changed perhaps that means he has the legal right to use female toilets and other segregated areas, in spite of the fact that his penis is just as functional as ever. Sorry, but a persons thoughts "beliefs" don't always override reality and shouldn't take pecedence over the safety of others Just my opinion. - Posted from rhpmobile well worth the mention.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'sam_jones' I can (choose to) "identify" as a dog, BUT that does not make it my physical reality. This ruling opens the door for quite a lot of scary stuff. Say ted bundy finds a psychiatrist to support his "belief" that he's neither and gets his birth certificate changed perhaps that means he has the legal right to use female toilets and other segregated areas, in spite of the fact that his penis is just as functional as ever. Sorry, but a persons thoughts "beliefs" don't always override reality and shouldn't take pecedence over the safety of others Just my opinion. - Posted from rhpmobile My understanding is that it isn't just a belief, it is either a medical condition such as having two genitalia or you are already living as a woman. Don't be fooled SamJones in thinking that being able to change your sex will be an easy thing, something that someone can decide overnight. And serial killers will always take advantage of something that doesn't mean innocent people have to suffer. How about a person who identifies as a woman. And I mean really is a woman but has male on their birth certificate. Should they be put in a men's jail? Be forced to use male toilets even though they are dressed as woman and live their live as a woman?
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RHP User
12 years ago
By the way that is as offensive as the argument that we shouldn't allow gay marriage because what is next? Marriage to animals? On another note, did you know that intersex people can marry a female or a male? Well, so I believe.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' By the way that is as offensive as the argument that we shouldn't allow gay marriage because what is next? Marriage to animals? On another note, did you know that intersex people can marry a female or a male? Well, so I believe. Okay I have already been told that is bollocks. Marriage must be between a man and a woman at this stage. Sorry!!
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RHP User
12 years ago
since I saw a show on tele about an African tribal community. Many of the kids were born intersex and were raised just as kids, not boys & girls, just kids. When the kids reached puberty and hormones kicked in, the kids had a pretty good idea if they wanted to be a male or female. A hospital in the UK then provided the services for the surgical re-assignment as requested. Ofcourse it gave the hospital the opportunity to study the genetic DNA etc. I can remember thinking at the time how wonderfully accepting the tribe was and how wonderful it would be if the rest of the world followed their example. No judgement, no pre-conceptions....just acceptance.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I know who I am........ D
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RHP User
12 years ago
an interview with someone who this directly affected....they had had the reassignment surgery but had decided not to continue with the hormone treatment....they said that they no longer identified with being either male or female xx Q
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RHP User
12 years ago
hi ,,,as every one knows ,,,,im a pre op trans woman ,,,,living in wa ,,,,,ive been on hormone therapy for over 2 yrs now ,,,,i have just ,,finished taking the gender board of wa to crt ,,,regarding them not issuing me a new gender certificate ,,making me a female ,,,<< yes i had problems in the past regarding using womans toilets etc >>>>there argument was that as i hadnt had final surgery ,,so they wouldnt give me a certificate untill then ,,,,,,,,,,,how ever ,,,my opinion and that of the law ,,stated that hormone treatment alone was considered as a form of surgery in itself ,,,yes my body has changed ,i have breasts etc ,,,live as a woman 24,,7 ,,,,and have less testosterone in my body ,,than that off a natural born woman ,,,,and am accepted as a transgendered woman every were i go ,,,,,,,,,,,,i had no protection by law ,,,previous to my certificate being issued ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i was the first trans person in wa to challenge the gender brd and am now the first legal woman in wa to have a penis ,,more trans people will follow my lead ,,,,im sure ,,,the government now sees us as people with a physical disability ,,,,,not a mental one ,,,,,,,,,,,and a precedance has now been set for them to do so ,,,,,,,from memory there has always been a legal right to put sex ,,,non specific on your documents ,,,,,but its not possible untill a person reachs 18 yrs off age ,,to make there own decision ,,,,xxxxxxxxx catherine
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RHP User
12 years ago
Dg - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Dg - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Well said, I found sam_jones comparison as offensive as the argument that gay marriage will lead to marriage between children an adults, people and animals. I find this ruling fantastic and recognises that the standard of male/female and straight/gay does not suit what is present in society. If i hadn't had a few vodkas I might remember the word that describes this, but alas it's Thursday and that's close enough to Friday for my brain to not be functioning - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Hermaphrodite...didn't know about that detail until a bit later on!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Sadly its the ignorance you spout that belies your total lack of education on the subject. Your idea of a transgendered person is taken from Gerry Springer show. Just were on earth do you get off trying to associate safety of others to a fear of transgengered people? Allow me a minute to educate you. I am transgendered, in fact I have both sets of plumbing, so what does thaat make me? I have breasts and a penis, my vagina is sealed, not by choice. I seek not to be of indeterminate sex, for your information on my passport I have an X where gender is, not an F or a M. I don't have that choice. Which bathroom do I use? how dare you tell me I should use a male one because I have a penis, should I go into the ladies if I needed to also use a tampon? I am the unfortunate result of nature and before you say that I am an oddity, there are hundreds of thousands of people just like me. And there are millions just like you.
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RHP User
12 years ago
There is a fundemental differece between those who Like to be a woman but have no wish to be a woman (a transvestite) those who believe themselves to be female or male ( transexual) and those who have physical characteristics of male and female (intersexed) They are all transgendered according to the label. But none are remotely like the other. A transvestite is not someone who identifies themselves as the oposite sex, they dress for pleasure. They are not in my humble opinion, of indeterminate sex. A transexual is a person whose identity IS of the opposite sex irrespective of the physical gender, btw, after surgery they don't have penis and many are better looking than genetic women. I bet you pass one every day. An intersexed person can be a person inflicted with Klinefelts syndrome, have boths sets of genetalia but was indeterminate at birth, some are lucky, some are not. I have lived a life in both camps.. I don't want to accept the fact that there is an indeterminate gender, but I have to. because its already there, the legislation doesn't stop what nature has already created.
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madotara69
12 years ago
Do you have periods? Do you have a uterus? If you don't mind me asking? Confused is all. Mado Mado Tara xx
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RHP User
12 years ago
I think you're talking about 1. transsexuals and 2. Intersexed people. If you have met or spoken with either of them I'm pretty sure you will find (if they are the real thing) that BOTH will choose one sex or the other and BOTH will make sure what is between their legs matches their choice. Anyone who doesn't is seeking attention or has other motives of their own. But again this is just my (apparently "bigoted", but wether you'd believe it or not, NOT uneducated) opinion. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
I'm sorry! I see my mistake now, where do I get off suggesting (even though I didn't suggest it at any point) that someone with a penis should use the male toilets... How UNeducated of me. Can I ask, how am I gonna know what these transgender persons "have" if I do run into them in the lady's toilets? (If, they're so beautiful as you say that is) ... I and most other women I know don't exactly go checking the undies of the girl in the next stall.... at least not all the time ;) anyway, even if they are concealing a weapon, if they don't look any more threatening than any of the other women in there and they don't actually DO anything to worry me or anyone else then I can't see how the issue is even gonna come up? (No pun intended) If some dude with a beard walks on though, wearing higher heals than me and with biceps like the former gevernor of California maybe just MAYBE I want the right to scream my lungs out if he looks at me creepily. Peace. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Christiets' Sadly its the ignorance you spout that belies your total lack of education on the subject. Your idea of a transgendered person is taken from Gerry Springer show. Just were on earth do you get off trying to associate safety of others to a fear of transgengered people? Christie, I have a problem with people saying Hermaphrodite instead of Intersex. Am I being to sensitive?
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'sam_jones' I think you're talking about 1. transsexuals and 2. Intersexed people. If you have met or spoken with either of them I'm pretty sure you will find (if they are the real thing) that BOTH will choose one sex or the other and BOTH will make sure what is between their legs matches their choice. I've been reading up on Intersex people, and especially those who live outside the "gender binary". They know they are not one sex, and refuse to identify as one or the other just because society says they should pick one. Imagine being mixed-race (Mulatto for example) and people around you tell you you have to tick the "white" or "black" box, without any alternatives. How would you feel?
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RHP User
12 years ago
I don't really view race as being as crucial as sex. If those are their only options, I'd probably just go with whatever I thought was closest and leave it at that, and if there was a problem then it's THEIRS, they brought it on themselves. But that's just simple minded ol' me. YMMV. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Where do you girls want this claw sharpener?? - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Catherine, you deserve to be proud in taking WA to court and winning the right to be recognized. I do wish people would understand the differences the spectrum that is transgendered actually covers. Sadly even on this site RHP lump together a single category of TV and TS under one easy but offensive label. I don't want a label but if I must have one the at least make it accurate. They are about as far apart in meaning that you can get. Madoi in answer to your questions, yes. I do. Albeit under developed and deformed, my "period" became apparent when I was being scanned for what they thought was bowel cancer. Sam Jones, you do not choose your gender, a cd or transvestite is choosing to imitate a female, not be one. And yes, as I said in my original post, I do not believe they should have the same legal considerations afforded to them as a transsexual or an interested person. But sadly there are many transsexuals that will never pass as a member of the opposite sex, size and shape do not dictate what they are but that should not prevent them from being who they are. Black, white, coffee, male female, intersexed, people like me do not CHOOSE what's between their legs, they are stuck with it. Just as society is stuck with people who have no understanding beyond a label.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Hi Meander, An intersexed person does have attributes of both sexes but to various degrees, people with klinefelts syndrome are almost androdgenis, they may have perfect genetalia or not. Hermaphrodites generally are considered to have two functional sets of working genetalia, have a fully functional penis and a vagina. They are intersexed but to a fairly radical degree. No problem with either, it's just labels an a spectrum for people who are affected to a mild degree or a radical degree.
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RHP User
12 years ago
if this is only an 'issue' in western civilised society (sic). I'm glad of the ruling. And how would it affect me? It sucks what EB & Chrisiets have to go through. This is a physical disability and I'd hate someone to tell me I had to be labelled anything I don't identify with. There was a recently coverage in the media about a kid in Primary School FFS that was told she could only use the disabled toilets. She clearly identified as a girl. What is wrong with people? A sweet innocent little girl :-( I saw the same doco that ruby_blossom speaks of, and I'm sure it was about 2 decades ago I saw it so a bit sketchy on the details. I also saw a doco of kids in the Dominican Republic & PNG where a surprising amount of kids were born as females then developed male genitalia during puberty. The majority of them developed a normal penis and testes and could father kids. Also found a BBC TV Doco called 'Fight to be Male" I was in Fiji a few years ago and heard about Fa'afafine which is considered a third gender. Wikepedia says - "born biologically male, and explicitly embody both masculine and feminine gender traits, fashioned in a way unique to this part of the world. Their behavior typically ranges from extravagantly feminine to mundanely masculine." From the way it was explained to me was if the family had all sons, the last was raised as a daughter to do the traditional female roles, caring for children, etc. Feel free to correct me anyone. Can't we just let people be...
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'sir_stir' Where do you girls want this claw sharpener?? Done talking to grey ghosts, their opinions just evaporate into thin air. (Except Q, as I know her of course.)
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RHP User
12 years ago
My understanding was that the term Hermaphrodite itself can be hurtful. In the animal world hermaphrodites can impregnate themselves, whereas the people born intersex are usually infertile? I love what Christie once said: A female transsexual is not a man with a mental problem, it's a woman with a physical one.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Songbird_uk' Sadly even on this site RHP lump together a single category of TV and TS under one easy but offensive label. I don't want a label but if I must have one the at least make it accurate. RHP, can you fix this already?
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'sam_jones' I'm sorry! I see my mistake now, where do I get off suggesting (even though I didn't suggest it at any point) that someone with a penis should use the male toilets... How UNeducated of me. Can I ask, how am I gonna know what these transgender persons "have" if I do run into them in the lady's toilets? (If, they're so beautiful as you say that is) ... I and most other women I know don't exactly go checking the undies of the girl in the next stall.... at least not all the time ;) anyway, even if they are concealing a weapon, if they don't look any more threatening than any of the other women in there and they don't actually DO anything to worry me or anyone else then I can't see how the issue is even gonna come up? (No pun intended) If some dude with a beard walks on though, wearing higher heals than me and with biceps like the former gevernor of California maybe just MAYBE I want the right to scream my lungs out if he looks at me creepily. Peace. - Posted from rhpmobile A transwoman in a male bathroom is much more likely to get attacked than a woman by a transwoman in a female bathroom
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Meander' Quoting 'Songbird_uk' Sadly even on this site RHP lump together a single category of TV and TS under one easy but offensive label. I don't want a label but if I must have one the at least make it accurate. RHP, can you fix this already? All in favour?
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RHP User
12 years ago
Can I ask what you base your statement on or is that just personal opinion? - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Sam give up now before you've dug yourself so deep you can't get back out of the hole.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Funny that isn't it... Here's the thing though, if you met me and my boyfriend (fiancé) in the street you'd never know, just like none of his family knows, and just like everyone else I meet on a daily basis doesn't. And I'd NEVER tell you. Never tell you that every person I ever cared about deserted me, and not that I transitioned and had my "op" completely alone years ago (and yes, the age on my profile is accurate). Never tell you I worked in a male dominated environment where every man was made aware of my situation and wanted to beat and kill me because they found me attractive. SO! all of you gullible gooses can believe whatever you'd like but I personally know the kind of men trying to get these laws passed. I also know people like Christie and that (s)he'll never loose the dick or the power and status society afford her for having it. I've met and supported the wives and children of these men that run off to become women after forty years happily fucking women. I've seen the damage their doing to a group of people no-one correctly understands or even knows exists. Do I believe they're women and That their mind is female. Not a chance. I would love to tell you where to go now, to end, but that wouldn't be lady like would it. Good night. - Posted from rhpmobile
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Dryphuz
12 years ago
I've heard this problem discussed before. And there's a thought experiment that goes with it. Please keep in mind this is just a hypothetical to help people think about some of the inherent problems. Say there was a young person, still in school, with male genitalia who identifies themselves as female and is attracted to males. Which change room do they use? If they use the boys, they feel uncomfortable as do the other males who know the person is sexually attracted to their gender. If they use the girls they are more comfortable, but the females are exposed to a partially nude male physique, to which no doubt most of the parents will object. There is no right answer as far as i was ever able to work out. Making them change in the toilets is the usual response of most people who don't want to think about it, but that would be gross discrimination. I don't want to alienate anyone, but these concerns are legitimate for parents, schools, gyms, workplaces, etc. The situation was originally raised at my school because a young girl was openly homosexual and the other girls didn't feel comfortable changing with her, but they obviously couldn't expect her to change in the boys change room. In the end she agreed to change in the toilets but she felt pretty bad about it. As a result my biology teacher opened a debate to consider all the possibilities and help us realise the difficulties of the issue of ingrained binary gender. I'm sure their are plenty of people who will have a problem with what i wrote, but it is just something to think about it, not an opinion. I really don't know how i feel about most of the issue, but i definitely think they should have right to identify however they want. But i can imagine some hypotheticals as to why their biological gender should be recorded as well, mostly medical and mostly identification related, but still important. Perhaps the best method would be to allow any gender that they want written on the birth certificate, but that their sex chromosome combination be recorded as well.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Most people born into this situation hate their bodies, no girl would want boys seeing her naked with a penis, nor would she want to suffer the humiliation of other girls seeing her like that. Private bathrooms are a god send (for the record, most places have a a private disabled bathroom now as well the male and female, which means you don't have to be fearful of your safety, be scared you'll be humiliated, NOR will you have to force your unfortunate situation on other women and make them uncomfortable when they're just tryin' to have some privacy while they take a crap) We're not deluded, we know it's there, we know it's different, we know it's wrong, that's the whole point! That's why we do what we do, it's why we get so desperate, and it's also why we kill ourselves if we can't fix the problem soon enough. Some have said previously that who/what you are is not a "choice".... I agree! Girls have vaginas boys have penises, it works for me, no "choices" involved, no new laws needed. But again, maybe I'm the bigoted arsehole with no clue. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
The problem with forums such as these are they allow you to give an opinion based on comments made and not one of personal understanding, background or history of the writer or respondent. They are but post it notes in a sea of life.Your last post is tinged with both anger and bitterness for personal reasons you have undoubtably endured. But just as I or others, don't know your life, you do not know mine or anyone elses and you most certainly do not speak for me or my views as to my story. You do not know me or my mind, as I do not know you or yours.I may question your opinion but I do not condemn you for having one, this place is for debate and you raise contentious comments regarding the motivation and choice that specifically underpins the group of people who this legislation affecxts, it is no surprise therefore when your comments are challenged. What was a surprise was that you yourself are transexual yet the bitterness you hold for others who are in a like situation is incredibly sad. You paint a picture of "the kind of men" but where do you sit? You have transitioned because like was unbearable but do you not believe that your mind is female? Why else would you transition? Do you believe that others are not like you? Do you believe that only people of your age and situation are allowed the luxury of surgery? The way one transitions is choice but the result is the same, you lose family friends, careers, marriages, I know. I have done it. The loss is on both sides. Would you not afford to ohers what you have elected yourself? the ability to live in their in their gender? Sam, I 'lose" my dick in August this year. I gave up the power it affords me when I went out to work as a woman 8 years ago. I am fortunate to have a family that cares and a partner of 35 years to whom I am but a sister now. All this is, in context to your comments irrelevant but not to me. I wish you well, I am sorry for the pain you have endured, I really am, I am but of a few who has at least an understanding of what you have gone through. But your views are not mine, nor would I personalise my comments in response to condemn or ridicule, alas you have. My final comments on this post: I do not personally agree there is a need for a third gender other than intersexed. To have the stigma of indetermnate sex is as bad as having the wrong sex. Try flying around the world with an X in your passport instead of a M or F when 8/10 immigration officials in different countries pull you aside for a chat and have to explain yourself. I believe that society at large does not care about the plight of a transgendered person because it doesn't affect them. Their family, their friends. So they have no understanding when they blindly put us all in the basket of TG. They don't care that there are fundemental differences between a life style choice and a transexual or intersexed person. You have no further to look than this forum itself. Both Sam Jones comments and mine I hope mine underscore the same issue, just how mind numbingly awful it is to be born this way. Her story is not mine and vice versa, but the premise of transition is to move from one state to another. All I can do is wish her well in her life. I chose to join RHP and express my view on the forum, I make comment when people make bland or condemning statements about a situation I can relate to. But I never personalise my comments. End of...
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RHP User
12 years ago
I made my comment as you hadn't been upfront about your situation and personal experiences and you portrayed yourself as a close minded bigot. I apologise sincerely. And I'm sorry also for your experiences. I still disagree with a lot of your opinions but I haven't walked in your shoes. As you haven't walked in mine.
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RHP User
12 years ago
There is no "hate" I gave that up long ago, it uses to much energy and by the time I take care of my partner and everyone else in my life I have none left to waste. I simply get disappointed at how easily people are lead down the garden path (women especially) What I know, is that you and people in your situation are nothing like me and you never will be. I know that You're wrong, you have NO IDEA what-so-ever what I have been through. I know that the things you do and the laws you fight for only make it harder for those born like me to survive and live a normal life and have any chance of true understanding from people who have not been through what I have. I know that surgery is NOT a luxury. And I know the difference between a transsexual and a full time transvestite. Good luck to you with your surgery (interestingly, we'll never know whether it happens or not) but more importantly, good luck to you with life after it, maybe some day you might be attacked or worse, raped by some fruit-loop man who has the right to be in the lady's bathroom, and then maybe you'll understand why there's a difference between being pyhsically male and pyhsically female and why the distinction is made to begin with, and why the laws exist as they do. (I doubt it though). Best wishes Sam - Posted from rhpmobile
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madotara69
12 years ago
Quoting 'Christiets' The problem with forums such as these are they allow you to give an opinion based on comments made and not one of personal understanding, background or history of the writer or respondent. They are but post it notes in a sea of life.Your last post is tinged with both anger and bitterness for personal reasons you have undoubtably endured. But just as I or others, don't know your life, you do not know mine or anyone elses and you most certainly do not speak for me or my views as to my story. You do not know me or my mind, as I do not know you or yours.I may question your opinion but I do not condemn you for having one, this place is for debate and you raise contentious comments regarding the motivation and choice that specifically underpins the group of people who this legislation affecxts, it is no surprise therefore when your comments are challenged. What was a surprise was that you yourself are transexual yet the bitterness you hold for others who are in a like situation is incredibly sad. You paint a picture of "the kind of men" but where do you sit? You have transitioned because like was unbearable but do you not believe that your mind is female? Why else would you transition? Do you believe that others are not like you? Do you believe that only people of your age and situation are allowed the luxury of surgery? The way one transitions is choice but the result is the same, you lose family friends, careers, marriages, I know. I have done it. The loss is on both sides. Would you not afford to ohers what you have elected yourself? the ability to live in their in their gender? Sam, I 'lose" my dick in August this year. I gave up the power it affords me when I went out to work as a woman 8 years ago. I am fortunate to have a family that cares and a partner of 35 years to whom I am but a sister now. All this is, in context to your comments irrelevant but not to me. I wish you well, I am sorry for the pain you have endured, I really am, I am but of a few who has at least an understanding of what you have gone through. But your views are not mine, nor would I personalise my comments in response to condemn or ridicule, alas you have. My final comments on this post: I do not personally agree there is a need for a third gender other than intersexed. To have the stigma of indetermnate sex is as bad as having the wrong sex. Try flying around the world with an X in your passport instead of a M or F when 8/10 immigration officials in different countries pull you aside for a chat and have to explain yourself. I believe that society at large does not care about the plight of a transgendered person because it doesn't affect them. Their family, their friends. So they have no understanding when they blindly put us all in the basket of TG. They don't care that there are fundemental differences between a life style choice and a transexual or intersexed person. You have no further to look than this forum itself. Both Sam Jones comments and mine I hope mine underscore the same issue, just how mind numbingly awful it is to be born this way. Her story is not mine and vice versa, but the premise of transition is to move from one state to another. All I can do is wish her well in her life. I chose to join RHP and express my view on the forum, I make comment when people make bland or condemning statements about a situation I can relate to. But I never personalise my comments. End of... You know I respect you, we have had the chat, so I call you a lady just the same, though part of respect and treating you the same as anyone else, get off your high horse you do and have made your posts personal. You jumped on sam jones, without the courtesy for asking a simple question to what was the meanings. Sorry sam jones, I tried to show some care to your post in the first place, no one listened. It happens it's the sandpit, looking forward to having some arguements fron time to time, it's exciting don't yu think. Most time it's just fun. Tara had some sick fuck dressed up, flick cum across from the next cubicle in some public toilets when she was a kid, landed in her hair and on her face.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I'm sorry to hear that, some guys have some seriously strange and (for me) disgusting kinks, I don't mind what people do in private as long as they don't force it on me against my will. I'm not new, I just don't comment often, I try NOT to have an opinion as I'm aware the world is far broader than even MY (extremely well traveled) scope. Ignorance and arrogance though, do tend to make me speak. Sam - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
It is an emotional subject Mado and it is very hard not take things personally when you in the position that Sam_Jones and Christiets are. It is understandable that both have reacted in the way that they have.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Although I see no difference in Sam_Jones and Christiets situation.... except that one woman has taken a little longer to get to there. People need to do things in their own time. Sam_Jones, I don't know what has happened in your past but as a "no idea lay person" I dont' see any difference between your situation and any other trans person. Sorry if that offends you as that isn't my intention. xxx
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RHP User
12 years ago
It does not offend me, I've come to expect it, and so I live my life accordingly. That said, the fact that you and most others don't see or understand a difference, does NOT mean that there isn't one. Best wishes Sam - Posted from rhpmobile
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madotara69
12 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' It is an emotional subject Mado and it is very hard not take things personally when you in the position that Sam_Jones and Christiets are. It is understandable that both have reacted in the way that they have. It's emotional for us too, we have friends that use to be best mates working together for years, he supported his mate as she went through the operations, now they are a couple we know. These girls got all catty with each other, Christiets only needed to ask, she speaks highly for manners and my post to her was just in relation to a chat we had in the forums, where I suggested that manners are not to be treated as respect, I would always respect her besides manners. I think Christiets would apreciate that I have kept my word and stood by a lady in the similar situations. No one asked sam jones to her reasons, I saw all I needed to support her post and allow Sam the chance to speak out if she felt the want, otherwise I respected her post. As we can see, Sam had to speak out of a corner, maybe she never wanted to have to do that, simply expressing her feelings to her original post. So yes, I fully understand the emotions at hand.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Sorry, I didn't see your latest 'till now. No harm no foul sweet's. Sam - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Nothing can be done about sick fucks dressing in drag and flicking their cum across a cubicle. This whole toilet debate is just a farce and is more orientated to a topic of how far will sick fucks go to do their sick fuckery.As Sam would know you just can't change your birth certificate by fooling some psychiatrist. Their are a number of hoops you have to jump through and finally an interview with the gender board who are made up of a wide variety of people. So her point of people changing their birth certificate for evil intentions is although not impossible but more improbable. Meekas post is about intersexed people. My personal beliefs are they should be allowed to have non specified on there birth certificates. If they grow up and identify as male or female later on then let them make the choice. I will agree with Sam on transsexuals gender being opposite to their sex. Intersex people and transsexuals are entirely different and confuses the whole situation if it isn't confusing enough already.
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madotara69
12 years ago
To shed a little light to how TV, transsexual, inter sexual, sick fucks , hermaphrodites, non specific gender. As kids we use to be afraid of going into public toilets, no farce. Kids were being violated, all kids from all schools around us and there were many in the area, saw men dressed as women as a threat. (Even in NZ) Kings cross and Oxford street use to be writhe with weirdo's giving you all a bad name, but it is what it is. It was a sick fuck, fucker thing back then. What we can't do about it, is like saying let's wait until a kid gets run over again before putting a pedestrian crossing in. So there is a thing with amenities from an outside view, no- one spoke like you people do, we had no education other than front page newspaper articles of abusive acts, with that kids we knew. Of course things have moved on since then, though scars can stay with people forever. Yes it is difficult and emotional, lots of things we all live with are too. It's not so simple, I know and as said have friends and can openly talk with them and we have, on more than one occasion. It's not a pleasant picture, it's not the picture I/we painted, though it is still a picture amongst people of the period, people around us today bare those scars. It is a very difficult topic to have a narrow margin for views.
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RHP User
12 years ago
WA? Two doctors willing to state that I'd undergone "treatment" to transition from male to female was all I needed. One psychaitirst was pretty helpful he never even examined me It's not so hard - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Sam Jones, if you read my posts you will see I am NOT in favour of the legislation, I AGREE with you that you are either male female or intersexed. So what do you classify yourself as before and post your surgery? I never used the word "hate" as you indicated, never once referred to you as anything other than transexual which you have belatedly indicated in your postes. I have questioned your responses but never sought to ridicule you. Instead as responses you have refered to me as a (s)he, a full time ransvestite and finally you belittled and offended by sniggering at my intention for surgery, hoping I would experience rape, and referred to me by using the trem, "men like you" I never thought to justify my experience against yours, as I said I do not know your life and you do not know mine. But you are offensive to me and ridicule me at every opportunity. Good luck to you.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Firstly, I would never wish rape on anyone EVER! Secondly, I did say (s)he yes, I've not met you so I can't say for certain what I'd believe. I did NOT call you a full time transvestite, I said I know the difference between one of them and a transsexual and lastly, I did not say "men like you". These are the things you hope others here will believe I've said in the hope that they'll jump on mean old me for bullying you. That said, even though I haven't asserted what you say I have, if I HAD my response would be: Go get your vagina, then shut your mouth and be nothing but a normal unremarkable woman, forever more! PROVE ME WRONG! But we both already know that we'll never meet and you'll never have to right? Have a good night Christie. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Here's a great overview of the situation and how the High Court arrived at its decision: Simply google for: 7.30 High Court rules 'non-specific' sex permitted and click the ABC link. It's good to see this group of fellow Australians are not being forgotten, I'm sure it would be an incredibly torturous process. We need a more caring society for all.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'sam_jones' There is no "hate" I gave that up long ago, I think you are still full of vitriol and angst and pain and hurt and it breaks my heart that you lash out at people who could be formidable allies. Could you drop a barrier and accept an olive branch? (Noah is so du jour right now) I would love to hear your extended story and why you disagree so strongly with me. I'm a white hetero upper class Sydney girl of privilege that has experienced chasms of pain that nobody saw and will ever know. I grew up in the lower north shore with a lesbian border in my "2 kids picket fence" world and it felt like the entirety of Sydney's LGBT community was at my place every Sunday. I have nothing but wonderful memories of sharing my youth with an amazingly diverse culture of people in incredible pain. But when we banded together, oh, the joy! We were a family. 100% acceptance across the board. I'd like to offer you that olive branch.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I wish you well Sam. I really do. I am glad you got your vagina and you are the woman you deserved to be. I realize all I am doing is antagonizing you, so I will "shut my mouth" and still wish you well. don't bother responding because I will not be reading any more, it's rather pointless. Good night, god bless, ...
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RHP User
12 years ago
The thing about written words is that others can interpret any attitude/context they'd like into them. I need no allies and no olive branch, I "made it" to where I needed to be in spite of the difficulties, I am just an average woman now (in the eyes of most anyway). my concern is only really for others born like me still seeking treatment, soon thanks to laws like this and (false) "awareness" being raised in mainstream society they will have no choice but to be known by everyone, forced to be seen as "different" as "trans" and not just normal women and I can think of no worse torture than going through it all and still NOT having people understand you as a normal female, I think I'd sooner kill myself. So thanks for your kindness, but save it for people like Christie who is likely to need it more than me someday. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
With this, but as I'm only a guest it won't let me. Honestly, I'm not angry or hurt. I was once, but now I have a life, it's not perfect (no-ones is) but it's a life. I have a beautiful and uncomplicated man who (although he often has trouble showing it) worships me (we've a nice home together and our own business), 5 nieces and nephews ranging in age from 18 months to 18 years (all of whom think their aunt sam is "the coolest") beautiful and fiercely competitive (future) sisters-in-law and my partners brothers who're lovely. One day soon I'll have children and yes, they'll be adopted (my heart aches that I'll never have my own and I feel guilt that I'll never make him a father, he deserves that, he's to good for me really) but I'll love them as if I'd carried them myself, and I'll respect them as only a barren woman could respect children and how precious they are. So in truth, life is good, better that I ever imagined it could be as a young girl who everyone insisted was a boy. I got most of what I wanted And I'm confident Christie is getting what (s)he seeks as well All is as right in the world as it can be. Peace to you Sam - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'sam_jones' That said, even though I haven't asserted what you say I have, if I HAD my response would be: Go get your vagina, then shut your mouth and be nothing but a normal unremarkable woman, forever more! PROVE ME WRONG! But we both already know that we'll never meet and you'll never have to right? Have a good night Christie. - Posted from rhpmobile As said above I agree that you are coming across as bitter. My impression also, is that you feel you are better than another trans people who haven't had the gender reassignment surgery as yet. You make out that they are all degenerates and perverts. So, is that what you were then? But of course now you have a vagina you are a different person? I would assume that someone in your position would have real empathy and would be helping fellow human beings who have gender identity issues or are intersex, yet you seem to be mocking them. Where is the respect? I simply don't get it, except that it sounds as if some real bad things have happened to you in the past and I am really sorry if that is true. Of course, I am not qualified to make any opinions on this topic or on you at all, but I feel strongly about the number of times you have made this statement above. Christiets doesn't have to prove anything to you or to anybody else. She is her own person and is going on her own journey. Peace out.
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RHP User
12 years ago
So what you ladies are saying, Christiets & Sam_Jones, is that having the third category as non-specific would be damaging to the child and is pointing out their differences? So, it is a bad thing. I see your point.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Like everyone here (me included) you're entitled to your opinion FWIW though, in the world I live in, actions speak louder than words How many complain here about claim to be a great lay? Same rules apply as far as I'm concerned - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
*people* who claim to be a great lay... - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Looking back through this thread, I'm reminded why I don't share my story, and why I keep my own stupid mouth shut. People are to smart for their own good, and ignorance is bliss. Thank you all who've contributed, I've appreciated you time and thoughts Sam. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'sam_jones' WA? Two doctors willing to state that I'd undergone "treatment" to transition from male to female was all I needed. One psychaitirst was pretty helpful he never even examined me It's not so hard - Posted from rhpmobile Don't really talk about it much these days. Seems like so long ago. Too busy worrying about my career.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Understood - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
For school yard rules Meeka, I don't like them, I think they degrade no only me but women in general. I don't "compete" with anyone, and I guess that's why I don't fit very well in this place. That said, in terms even a girl like you should be able to understand: the difference between me and those born like me and those like Christie, is that she's simply trying to be a "bitch" whereas, I've always been one, and if the three of us happened to find ourselves in the same bar or club on the same night, I'd be happy to demonstrate for you NOT ONLY the difference between me and "her" but also some of the differences between me and you. And no, I don't think I'm better than her, nor better or worse than any other woman for that matter, YES, I'm aware that there is always someone younger and prettier than you, And NO I don't even think I'd have to degrade myself in order to do it. And with that, I'm done. Sam - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Inverted commas, forward slashes and hyphens, RELAX. "W/e" are done.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'sam_jones' forced to be seen as "different" as "trans" and not just normal women and I can think of no worse torture than going through it all and still NOT having people understand you as a normal female, I think I'd sooner kill myself. I could not agree more. My reasoning for agreeing for options is if the person having to choose an identity doesn't identify with M or F and would like an X or 3rd option available to them. It is my firm and consistent belief that as you originally commented, it should be your choice. The current system is wrong, that wasn't Meeka's question. I don't think you will find one person here that wouldn't support personal choice/identity 100% and resent what you and our other dear friends have had to deal with. We are all incredibly empathetic. If the new law is saying you have to wear a ticket you're not happy with, tell me. That's not what I got? If I'm wrong I'm dead against it. Can someone explain s...l...o...w...l...y...
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RHP User
12 years ago
"and just one more thing" Best of British Luck in your future and hope you get the joy and love you deserve. And, um, I hate to tell you this bet.... You get the kids you deserve
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RHP User
12 years ago
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RHP User
12 years ago
Miss Kay, I wonder if my parents feel they deserve me? Personally, although I'm constantly working on it, I don't always believe they do. Sadly, people and the world aren't always who or what they say they are, OR what we'd like them to be. I'm lucky, I got to learn that lesson as a child, some people live almost their entire life never having been forced to learn it. (I hope that it's not as painful for them when it happens as it was for me) In spite of all that, I love my parents VERY much, and I still (always) do the very best I'm capable of for them. I certainly hope that the world might someday (properly) understand girls born with my birth defect, so that my parents and theirs might be able to display openly that they are proud of the fine women their daughters become. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Perhaps it's an age thing, your profile says you're only 5-10 years younger than them... - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
I'm sure your folks love you very much and are proud of the fine woman you are. And my folks were 20 years older than me and had the same mindset I do, I think it's individual.
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RHP User
12 years ago
If so, how old? Do you think you'd be supportive? Proud? - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Sam the little shit I deserve is almost 7 and my other mini me that I really deserve is 9. I live in a quiet cul-de-sac that streams with a pack of kids. It's an awesome lifestyle for them. About 3 years ago it became so cool for them to call each other 'gay'. Well, I had all 10 of the little darlings sat down and gave them all an education. It was thorough, I didn't just say "it's not nice to call each other names", no, not me. I ended the talk with a pop quiz. There isn't a kid on this street that doesn't understand terms half their parents wouldn't have a clue about. I think I upset a few parents by doing so but I will not tolerate bullying and misunderstanding, especially amongst the young. These little kids are our future. Don't worry, I wasn't inappropriate, it was all in age appropriate language. If I got a quizzical look about boys that loved boys I'd remind them all about Aunty Damien & his boyfriend (who they all knew), "Oh Yeah - Can we have an ice block" Sure kids. Keep it simple and normal. I digress. If either my son or daughter had any issue, be it gender identity, sexual identity, wanted to become an Elvis Impersonator.... I would be their biggest champion. I get your scepticism but as for the person you addressed the question to..... There would be nobody more supportive, or more proud than me.
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madotara69
12 years ago
are a darling MissKay
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RHP User
12 years ago
Gay. Most people (think) they understand gay nowadays. So, your son, at 15 tells you he's a girl and that he wants a sex change... He's going to have surgery on his genitals.... He starts calling himself a girls name and dressing in overtly feminine manner Despite what everyone says or knows about him. People look, not just at him, but at you, they judge. The beatings and ridicule start, and none of your best friends or family come around any more. Pretty soon it's just you and your child every day. If you're a responsible parent, (and you're honest and taking this seriously) then chances are that like my parents, you'll be scared (it's understandable) Only question is, will you run away (like they did) ? And I don't think anyone can know that answer until they're in that situation. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Sorry, bad example, I knew exactly what you meant, I was just explaining that I'll stand up to bias and wont tolerate bigots of any age. And I can tell you unequivocally that if my son at 15 tells me he's a girl, yes I would be there 110%.
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RHP User
12 years ago
So now, how about if your son comes to you in his thirties, after 10 years of marriage to a beautiful young woman and having fathered two children, and says the same thing, that he's a woman.... ? Supportive still? My personal opinion, it's a VERY different thing, in spite of the fact that older men in Christie's position would have you believe (and anyone with half a brain should be able to see why) that they and their situation is the same as girls like mine. I refuse to believe it is and I refuse to believe they're like me/us. Not "better", not "worse" but certainly NOT the same. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
And, yep, just as supportive. Just more people to support. And women like Christiets don't deserve your constant derision. And I think you'd find she will happily agree she is nothing like you but for very different reasons.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Christiets get off lightly from people like me miss Kay, of that I can assure you. Go search an author named Christine benvenuto for a Wife's/woman's perspective experience, get your arse down off your high horse, and realise that some men make arsehole decisions that completely screw up women's lives. Perhaps it not your experience, but my experience as a woman has taught me that women don't get "excuses" in life, we pay a price for every decision we make and often pay a hefty price for decisions that other people make FOR us. If people in Christies position were accountable if they'd stand up and say "I screwed up.... I'm sorry" and then pay the (full) price for their actions (like every other woman would have to), they'd get far more traction, sympathy and understanding from me, but instead they try to hitch their wagon to girls like me, claiming they're the same as us, that they just didn't know they could do anything.... Or that it was social pressure.... Or familial pressure.... Or they didn't have money.... Or no-one helped or supported them or any of a million reasons depending on the person and the day. I faced every one of those and I still made it happen, I still didn't feel forced to go have sex with women, marry them and father children and be someone I always knew I was NOT. They're a joke and as usual, thanks to "enlightened" and "supportive" people such as yourself, I guarantee you some poor woman will be getting thrown under the bus once again thanks to people's ignorance and for the sake of "political correctness" - Posted from rhpmobile
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