M51 F50
Would you F&#K them ?
May 31 2011
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RHP User
15 years ago
Hmmm that's an interesting question and I'm puzzled for an answer. On one hand no one should have to have sex with someone they don't want to but then when it's couple on couple one would expect some reciprocation????? WOuldn't they???Just another post to keep us away from such places, we just don't get the completely nameless, anonymous sex - like that other forum topic there has to be some connection and I can't ever seeing us being able to form one with people at a swingers club. Now on the other hand say we were to bump into Brae and his oh so sexy lass at a bar and have a few drinks and a few laughs, well then if we got invited back to their place then we'd kinda think that they were interested in both of us, right?????
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RHP User
15 years ago
I guess the rules are different in a club then when you meet for drinks? We’ve never been to a club... I completely understand what you mean but you can’t take one for the team. I guess it takes a lot of character to look at someone’s husband and say no thanks when his wife is all over your partner. I just know how I’ve felt afterwards when I have taken one for the team and for me it’s not worth it, it’s not why I’m here.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Top question Brae. I think it must come down to the persons involved. For instance, I know that situation is not unusual... I see it happen regularly.. .and you cannot expect everybody to be attracted to everybody... For couples, that must get tricky.... However, I don't think I would be sitting around watching with my dick in my hand for very long. That's just me... I mean, I get bored easily... as it happens my buddy does whatever and whoever he wants to.... and when that doesn't involve me.. which is all the time nowadays... I do my own thing. Now that's probably not au fait in certain club situations... and maybe a good reason to change clubs.HugsStalky
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RHP User
15 years ago
We have talked over this one and our responce is we only play with couples, we both must be happy with the other couple. This is also be our answer if a single or just one half of a couple wants to play..."sorry we only play couple to couple where is your wife / husband?" We know there is a lot out there that says " No" release your partner but we dont subscribe to that school, we have each other if all else fails, and so what if we dont play with others that night. We owe no one a explanation or a screw!
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RHP User
15 years ago
You DO pose the tough questions don't you Brae!!!I guess it would all depend on the environment you're in. If you're in a club for example, I guess it could get a little free for all. And not everyone is attracted to each other, so in that instance, I'd say no. Never take one for the team. Find individuals who attract you both, even if this means you have to split for a while. And if you're not comfortable with that as a couple (or an individual), then I guess right here on RHP is probably a better option to find suitable partners that attract you both to save awkwardness...
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RHP User
15 years ago
iv been there partner is getting down and dirty with the girl but the man is small down there the foreplay was like digging for gold rough and no idea But i did"nt insult the guy by saying no i gentle guide him towards a 3some and made an excuse to go get a drink or go to the toliet then i wait long enough to give them time to play and them come back and say i got talking to some people and say maybe another time NOT lol
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RHP User
15 years ago
at no point during play does anyone 'have' to do anything they dont want to.... for as soon as they do, it becomes something other than play. if your parnter puts you in a situation where you feel 'compelled' to do something you dont wish to do, doesnt that then constitute rape? adultery without consent is rape, and just because someones a swinger, it doesnt mean that they for go their rights in any way. if she doesnt want to, she doesnt have to. simple. no is no.
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RHP User
15 years ago
oh well shit happens and in his case maybe it doesnt .. not her fault she didnt find him fuckable.
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RHP User
15 years ago
really... they went as a couple and should look after each other... if my missus left me there like that i'd dump her.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Why didnt he slide on over to girl 3 and have a chop at her..............................She may have been much more accommodating..................
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RHP User
15 years ago
Ok, firstly we will look at the scenario you describe and say that under no circumstances should Fem2 (she doing the watching) be obligated to have sex or play with Chap2just because MrFem2 (ie Chap1) is enjoying the female half of Chap2 - god that was convoluted so hope it makes sense. But, did these 4 go to the club together with the specific intention of enjoying the other or were they a random club based hookup, and does that make a difference?Now, to our rules as a couple.Under no circumstances would we expect or want one partner from a couple to feel that they should play with one of us simply because their partner is enjoying themselves with us as that is not what we want, seek or accept. For a partner to play they mus want to play and not be pressured so if they are not comfortable then we are fine with that and have no problems. Given that the guys of the couple (not that there have been many yet - hint thrown out) generally have no problems finding Sheba of interest and it is Gaz left sitting alone we are happy to say that if Gaz is not required or wanted that is all good, no problems as Sheba will ensure he isn't left out to much. That all said, we wonder in the original example how the two playing partners felt once they found out the story of what happened Basically, we do not expect both people in a couple to play unless they choose to play if/when they are with us and if they want to play with only one half then no problems from our sideShell and Gaz
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RHP User
15 years ago
My wife and I would not play with a couple where we didn't find them respectively attractive. I wouldn't be allowed to play with a girl if Mrs B wasn't attracted to the guy and vice versa. There is no way that I would be happy with my wife shagging a guy if I didn't get to/ want to shag his partner. But to each his own, if that's the way that couple rolls then good for them but I hope it would be discussed before hand, though that might be difficult in a club environment.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'mikeandshel' at no point during play does anyone 'have' to do anything they dont want to.... for as soon as they do, it becomes something other than play. if your parnter puts you in a situation where you feel 'compelled' to do something you dont wish to do, doesnt that then constitute rape? adultery without consent is rape, and just because someones a swinger, it doesnt mean that they for go their rights in any way. if she doesnt want to, she doesnt have to. simple. no is no. WOW they are some big calls guys ........... I am sure you will be right ......... have you seriously not ever seen a senario like this ? I think women have sex with there partners all across the world because the feel compelled to make thier partners satisfied ???Brae ......... wondering or wandering
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RHP User
15 years ago
There are no obligations in any of this it's all about fun. Personally there has to be a physical attraction. I've played as part of a couple as well as a single male. Personally if she wasn't into to him I would pass on her or vice versa. The sex we had as a couple was fantastic so if we didn't hook up we went home and shagged ourselves silly. Though you can't put your own perceptions on other people. It's whatever works for those involved.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'looking2try3' Quoting 'mikeandshel' at no point during play does anyone 'have' to do anything they dont want to.... for as soon as they do, it becomes something other than play. if your parnter puts you in a situation where you feel 'compelled' to do something you dont wish to do, doesnt that then constitute rape? adultery without consent is rape, and just because someones a swinger, it doesnt mean that they for go their rights in any way. if she doesnt want to, she doesnt have to. simple. no is no. WOW they are some big calls guys ........... I am sure you will be right ......... have you seriously not ever seen a senario like this ? I think women have sex with there partners all across the world because the feel compelled to make thier partners satisfied ???Brae ......... wondering or wandering yes we have 'seen' this scenario before, and have strong beliefs about one person being or feeling 'compelled' to satisfy another to 'keep the peace'. we have seen the refusal to do so end with a fist behind the ear of a woman who wouldnt do 'as her husband expected' while he got his 'jollies' (it didnt matter that the guy the woman rejected was a really unsavoury and unattractive man). the act of 'compelling' someone (usually the female) to do something she really doesnt want to is just another way of bullying. the 'compelling' may take away the weaker persons ability to say 'no', because of the guilt they may be loaded up with etc....... they are not 'big calls' at all. would you bed some ugly toad, just to keep your partner happy? there is no difference any where you go and what company you keep....no is no. sex (in this case termed as 'adultery') without consent is what then??? tea and scones?
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RHP User
15 years ago
I don't think that she did not stand my her man. Maybe they decided to go to the club and have fun with whoever they fancied. And maybe chap 2 assumed that she would play with him. I think chap 2 should have just gone and found someone else
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RHP User
15 years ago
You are too cute Romancefor4, that is very nice play xxMeeks
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RHP User
15 years ago
Mike, I think that is a little strong! Rape is when someone is forced against their will, however in the swingers situation if a woman feels that she should do something.. well it is still her choice to do it. It isn't rape. And there can be lots of reasons why someone goes further than they want... politeness, to avoid an awkward situation, etc. People do it all the time. I remember starting a thread yonks ago about something similar. My question was, if you were with someone and had got to the naked stage but realised that they were just not doing it for you. Is it okay to tell them that, put your clothes back on and walk out. There were lots of women who answered that this was too rude and they would root them anyway. They felt compelled to do it out of social politeness which is what Brae is getting at with his question.xxMeeka
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' Mike, I think that is a little strong! Rape is when someone is forced against their will, however in the swingers situation if a woman feels that she should do something.. well it is still her choice to do it. It isn't rape. And there can be lots of reasons why someone goes further than they want... politeness, to avoid an awkward situation, etc. People do it all the time. I remember starting a thread yonks ago about something similar. My question was, if you were with someone and had got to the naked stage but realised that they were just not doing it for you. Is it okay to tell them that, put your clothes back on and walk out. There were lots of women who answered that this was too rude and they would root them anyway. They felt compelled to do it out of social politeness which is what Brae is getting at with his question.xxMeeka not at all......... the compulsion is what i was on about....being made feel 'guilty' or 'obliged' in such a way that it leaves you without the ability to say 'no' ........ being 'compelled' or 'coerced' by feelings of 'obligation' or 'politeness' or 'moral responsibility' is how people end up in situations they later regret.... had the person been able to say a confident and final 'no' the position may have been avoided. the law is worded in such a way that a sexual assault has occured if the victim has been coerced by use of 'manipulation' or 'threat'. these manipulations and threats can be alluded to or hinted at, but if the weaker one says 'yes' or performs a 'sexual act' against their better judgement as a result of this, then a sexual assault has occurred. dont blame me for how the laws are written. in this I am only the messenger, but a messenger none the less who has seen a woman subjected to harassment and vilification as direct result of her refusing anothers advances in a group sex environment. the end result was that she did what she really didnt want to, just to keep the peace and to save her partner from 'humiliation'. she was coerced, by guilt and a feeling of responsibility. if the woman in question was not happy with the potential playmate as described in the OP's post, then its obviously her choice to say 'no' or not. By leaving him and making herself busy with another, she was saying 'no'. and its at this point that the story should end. theres no argument or discussion when someone says or indicates by actions that your advances have been rejected. its pretty simple we thought. in our eyes, this Brae shouldve stopped what he was doing (difficult but not impossible when its your partner needing you) and gone to the rescue and made 100% sure his girl was happy and content with proceedings before picking up (if possible) where he left off. she should never have been left stranded with someone she obviously wasnt interested in.......just our opinion, right wrong or indifferent......
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'HotSexyChilli' Put out for a long term partner when he/she felt like sex and we didn't but chose to have sex anyway because of regard for another person's feelings...Quoting 'mikeandshel' Quoting 'looking2try3' Quoting 'mikeandshel' if your parnter puts you in a situation where you feel 'compelled' to do something you dont wish to do, doesnt that then constitute rape? adultery without consent is rape, and just because someones a swinger, it doesnt mean that they for go their rights in any way. if she doesnt want to, she doesnt have to. simple. no is no. women have sex with there partners all across the world because the feel compelled to make thier partners satisfied ??? the act of 'compelling' someone (usually the female) to do something she really doesnt want to is just another way of bullying. the 'compelling' may take away the weaker persons ability to say 'no', because of the guilt they may be loaded up with etc.... sex (in this case termed as 'adultery') ...without consent is what then??? tea and scones? Do you consider that to be rape also??? No fists, no threats, no bullying, just helping out a partner when you wouldn't otherwise say yes...I personally see that as a great strength in the gift giver...Chilli xx playing semantics isnt a real clever way to have a discussion...if the woman really didnt want to, but was either too scared or unable to say no, or was manipulated into saying yes in spite of her really wanting not to, its coercion....... coercion is a polite way of saying 'bullied'..... if the woman (or male if you like) freely makes the decision and decides to indulge her/his partners desires, then thats an entirely different and healthy set of circumstances..... what i was saying is light years from what you are throwing back at me. its chalk and cheese.......... if it were drugs, and i didnt wish to indulge, but you threatened and manipulated me into saying yes (against all my wishes) then you have 'coerced' or 'bullied' me into making a choice that i would not have made under 'normal' and 'healthy' conditions.........its exactly the same with sex. if you really dont want to have sex with anyone but they or another put you in a position that you choose to begrudgingly say 'yes', against your best wishes and judgements, then you have been 'coerced' into sex. ...........sex as a result of a sense of obligation isnt really why we are here..its to freely and openly choose potential playmates and to indulge and enjoy... to suggest a woman made a decision that was less than acceptable, when she chose to not have sex with someone, is both unreasonable and irresponsible............... would you yourself, indulge with someone who you really didnt want to (and I'm not talking about your long-term partner here) out of some sense of 'obligation' or 'duty', even though it was really not what you wanted? .... I suspect not!.......... for if you did, and later felt disgusted and ashamed that you had, and felt that your 'no' obviously meant nothing, wouldnt it be fair to assume that you may then feel defiled and the need to seek some sort of explanation or resolution? .........if Shel and I met a couple and she was a hottie, but he was a nottie, but i bullied and teased and cajoled Shel into having sex with him even when she didnt want to, well i guess I'd be packing my bags by the time i got home....not to mention what else might be in store for me if she felt I had manipulated or coerced her into an unwanted sexual liaison..... the Queensland Criminal Code (sect 348/349/350) defines rape fairly explicitly.... and outlines what constitutes 'real consent'. consent is not considered real if obtained through force, intimidation or deception...... which pretty much describes 'coercion' doesnt it?...... now i know, as do you, that i was talking extremes, but cannot people make decisions based on preferences, way before it gets to extremes???... i know i do, as i have preferences, and have no problem saying 'nup not with her'........ its so easy it makes me dizzy with power lol and gee, here i was thinking i was standing up for the woman ...funny how things can get all twisted and turned around when others just wish to be controversial.........
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captainkaos
15 years ago
Whether I saw a couple playing or a single woman, I would always ask if i could join in. Obviously I am not everyones cup of tea so i would understand if they didn't want to play with me. A simple no thanks and i was happy to move on. (Not that it happened alot. lol.) I AM NOT AN ANIMAAAAAL. lol. There have been times when we met couples at peoples/our home and both my partner(at the time) and myself have taken one for the team but we did occasionally say "thanks but no thanks". My girlfriend didn't like older guys that reminded her of her ex. Needless to say we asked for face pics from then on.....
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'mikeandshel' Quoting 'HotSexyChilli' Put out for a long term partner when he/she felt like sex and we didn't but chose to have sex anyway because of regard for another person's feelings...Quoting 'mikeandshel' Quoting 'looking2try3' Quoting 'mikeandshel' if your parnter puts you in a situation where you feel 'compelled' to do something you dont wish to do, doesnt that then constitute rape? adultery without consent is rape, and just because someones a swinger, it doesnt mean that they for go their rights in any way. if she doesnt want to, she doesnt have to. simple. no is no. women have sex with there partners all across the world because the feel compelled to make thier partners satisfied ??? the act of 'compelling' someone (usually the female) to do something she really doesnt want to is just another way of bullying. the 'compelling' may take away the weaker persons ability to say 'no', because of the guilt they may be loaded up with etc.... sex (in this case termed as 'adultery') ...without consent is what then??? tea and scones? Do you consider that to be rape also??? No fists, no threats, no bullying, just helping out a partner when you wouldn't otherwise say yes...I personally see that as a great strength in the gift giver...Chilli xx playing semantics isnt a real clever way to have a discussion...if the woman really didnt want to, but was either too scared or unable to say no, or was manipulated into saying yes in spite of her really wanting not to, its coercion....... coercion is a polite way of saying 'bullied'..... if the woman (or male if you like) freely makes the decision and decides to indulge her/his partners desires, then thats an entirely different and healthy set of circumstances..... what i was saying is light years from what you are throwing back at me. its chalk and cheese.......... if it were drugs, and i didnt wish to indulge, but you threatened and manipulated me into saying yes (against all my wishes) then you have 'coerced' or 'bullied' me into making a choice that i would not have made under 'normal' and 'healthy' conditions.........its exactly the same with sex. if you really dont want to have sex with anyone but they or another put you in a position that you choose to begrudgingly say 'yes', against your best wishes and judgements, then you have been 'coerced' into sex. ...........sex as a result of a sense of obligation isnt really why we are here..its to freely and openly choose potential playmates and to indulge and enjoy... to suggest a woman made a decision that was less than acceptable, when she chose to not have sex with someone, is both unreasonable and irresponsible............... would you yourself, indulge with someone who you really didnt want to (and I'm not talking about your long-term partner here) out of some sense of 'obligation' or 'duty', even though it was really not what you wanted? .... I suspect not!.......... for if you did, and later felt disgusted and ashamed that you had, and felt that your 'no' obviously meant nothing, wouldnt it be fair to assume that you may then feel defiled and the need to seek some sort of explanation or resolution? .........if Shel and I met a couple and she was a hottie, but he was a nottie, but i bullied and teased and cajoled Shel into having sex with him even when she didnt want to, well i guess I'd be packing my bags by the time i got home....not to mention what else might be in store for me if she felt I had manipulated or coerced her into an unwanted sexual liaison..... the Queensland Criminal Code (sect 348/349/350) defines rape fairly explicitly.... and outlines what constitutes 'real consent'. consent is not considered real if obtained through force, intimidation or deception...... which pretty much describes 'coercion' doesnt it?...... now i know, as do you, that i was talking extremes, but cannot people make decisions based on preferences, way before it gets to extremes???... i know i do, as i have preferences, and have no problem saying 'nup not with her'........ its so easy it makes me dizzy with power lol and gee, here i was thinking i was standing up for the woman ...funny how things can get all twisted and turned around when others just wish to be controversial......... "playing semantics isnt a real clever way to have a discussion...".LMAO ............ I am sure you dont think you are ! .I know .......................... your right ! .LOL
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RHP User
15 years ago
but once a friend and I had sex while both so drunk we had no idea what we were doing, we didn't feel raped when we woke up in the morning but we both agreed we were both awful!!!! lol
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RHP User
15 years ago
Choosing to have sex with someone because your husband is screwing their wife.... or being raped... let's see. On the one hand you wake in the morning and you say to yourself... "that was really ordinary. Lets not do that again, darling".... compared with a lifetime of flashbacks, nightmares, anxiety and emotional numbness.... I think there seems to be a world of difference. hugsStalky
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RHP User
15 years ago
"consent is not considered real if obtained through force, intimidation or deception...... which pretty much describes 'coercion' doesnt it?."NO. Co-ersion is "take one for the team darling.. go on... be a good sport"... whereas intimidation is for example... "take one for the team or I'll cut your tits off"... or any other kind of threat.Having said that, I always subscribe to the idea that nobody should do anything they are not enjoying. If I sense that my lover is not enjoying whatever it is we are up to... I'll stop cold in my tracks. My goal is simply to share the love.HugsStalky
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RHP User
15 years ago
Not that feeling pressure to shag someone you don't want to is rape (Mike does have a tendancy for taking his points to this extreme), but his points about coersion and bullying.I'm also astounded that so many women on here are happy with that as the status quo - taking one for the team, keeping the peace, whatever.Helping a partner out, when s/he's toey, and you're not, by offering a hand job or whatever, without being nagged for it, that's not being coerced because ultimately she has made the decision that "It would please me to get my partner off tonight".Feeling like you "have" to take one for the team, and doing it anyway, just to keep the peace (the peace in someone elses partnership at that, going by Brae's original post) is icky. Vagina's are NOT weapons. They are NOT tools to be used to trade for affection, or peace. They are body parts (that feel nice when stimnualted correctly) attached to people who should have the ultimate say on who they let in there.Girl 2 did the right thing, she wasn't interested, she fucked off and left Dude 1 to it. Maybe a bit more communication, before people jump in, wet and moist and hard bits first, is the key lesson to be learnt from that story?
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'stalky' Choosing to have sex with someone because your husband is screwing their wife.... or being raped... let's see. On the one hand you wake in the morning and you say to yourself... "that was really ordinary. Lets not do that again, darling".... compared with a lifetime of flashbacks, nightmares, anxiety and emotional numbness.... I think there seems to be a world of difference. hugsStalky see, thats a very narrow minded and ignorant view of rape and its consequences. a lifetime of what? where do you get that these are the only things people go through...some may experience these things...or one of them.... or ......NONE of them.......
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'stalky' "consent is not considered real if obtained through force, intimidation or deception...... which pretty much describes 'coercion' doesnt it?."NO. Co-ersion is "take one for the team darling.. go on... be a good sport"... whereas intimidation is for example... "take one for the team or I'll cut your tits off"... or any other kind of threat.Having said that, I always subscribe to the idea that nobody should do anything they are not enjoying. If I sense that my lover is not enjoying whatever it is we are up to... I'll stop cold in my tracks. My goal is simply to share the love.HugsStalky again..its you who is 'mistaken' .......'coercion' is convincing someone to do something they would not normally do.it encompasses a range of tactics...from simple nagging, through to threats of violence and physical retribution.... 'torture' IS coercion....'waterboarding' is coercion.....'bullying' is coercion......usings 'rewards' is coercion.....using tactics of 'guilt' and 'blame' is coercion....... kapisch? I'm not doing this with 'mirrors' ........simply using plain and easily understood English.......
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'Polar_Bear_Girl' Not that feeling pressure to shag someone you don't want to is rape (Mike does have a tendancy for taking his points to this extreme), but his points about coersion and bullying.I'm also astounded that so many women on here are happy with that as the status quo - taking one for the team, keeping the peace, whatever.Helping a partner out, when s/he's toey, and you're not, by offering a hand job or whatever, without being nagged for it, that's not being coerced because ultimately she has made the decision that "It would please me to get my partner off tonight".Feeling like you "have" to take one for the team, and doing it anyway, just to keep the peace (the peace in someone elses partnership at that, going by Brae's original post) is icky. Vagina's are NOT weapons. They are NOT tools to be used to trade for affection, or peace. They are body parts (that feel nice when stimnualted correctly) attached to people who should have the ultimate say on who they let in there.Girl 2 did the right thing, she wasn't interested, she fucked off and left Dude 1 to it. Maybe a bit more communication, before people jump in, wet and moist and hard bits first, is the key lesson to be learnt from that story? thank you........ but what about the 'pressure'? how is that acceptable?
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RHP User
15 years ago
Why do some threads always have to get taken too far? Brae asked a simple question at the start of the thread:"Is it ok to tell someone you don't want to root them in a swing situation ? If your partners busy rooting his/her way to heaven over in the corner with that persons partner ? or do you just have to "swallow" ?"And now suddenly the topic has gone onto being that it's coercion into doing something that you don't want to do, and thats a form of rape?? Oh gimme a break!Whats gone wrong with the world? Can't we make our own decisions anymore?? Or do our own actions and feelings HAVE to be dictated by someone else - in this case our partner? If I were ever in the position where I felt uncomfortable, or I just didn't want to shag someone, I wouldn't do it. Period. But there, i guess I can think for myself. I would probably be a little more open to the idea because of my partner, but if I didn't want to do it, thats MY decision, and would follow through with MY decision accordingly.I guess I must live in a dream land. Where everyone has their own brain, own thoughts and feelings. And the ability to follow through with these thoughts with actions that benefit ones self. Sounds like that just can't happen anymore...right? *rolls eyes*
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RHP User
15 years ago
Why has this conversation turned to rape, bullying and coercion? It was a simple question.... in a swinging situation should you stand by your man. Yes you should... should you fuck someone you're not attracted too.... No you shouldn't. One would assume in a club situation the person who isn't keen would go off and do their own thing. No harm no foul. In a one off situation I am sure, or I would hope, that most couples would discuss it before hand so that if one person isn't keen, they wouldn't "go there". Simple.....with a million shades of grey. xx Meeka
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'mikeandshel' again..its you who is 'mistaken' ....... And what, you are aways right? Why do you have to term it in that way? Stalky was stating his opinion and you have to turn it into a pissing contest. And again, I no doubt will be accussed of playing favourites again. Meeka
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'mikeandshel' see, thats a very narrow minded and ignorant view of rape and its consequences. a lifetime of what? where do you get that these are the only things people go through...some may experience these things...or one of them.... or ......NONE of them....... If you've had a different experience then you've been very lucky.HugsS
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'stalky' Quoting 'mikeandshel' see, thats a very narrow minded and ignorant view of rape and its consequences. a lifetime of what? where do you get that these are the only things people go through...some may experience these things...or one of them.... or ......NONE of them....... If you've had a different experience then you've been very lucky.HugsS 'lucky'? wtf?
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RHP User
15 years ago
Not a word about co-ercion. But really... your just piss and vinegar so I don't really care what you think anymore.Quoting 'mikeandshel' again..its you who is 'mistaken' .......'coercion' is convincing someone to do something they would not normally do.it encompasses a range of tactics...from simple nagging, through to threats of violence and physical retribution.... 'torture' IS coercion....'waterboarding' is coercion.....'bullying' is coercion......usings 'rewards' is coercion.....using tactics of 'guilt' and 'blame' is coercion....... kapisch? I'm not doing this with 'mirrors' ........simply using plain and easily understood English....... In this chapter, consent means consent freely and voluntarilygiven by a person with the cognitive capacity to give theconsent.(2) Without limiting subsection (1), a person’s consent to an act isnot freely and voluntarily given if it is obtained—(a) by force; or(b) by threat or intimidation; or(c) by fear of bodily harm; or(d) by exercise of authority; or(e) by false and fraudulent representations about the natureor purpose of the act; or(f) by a mistaken belief induced by the accused person thatthe accused person was the person’s sexual partner.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' Quoting 'mikeandshel' again..its you who is 'mistaken' ....... And what, you are aways right? Why do you have to term it in that way? Stalky was stating his opinion and you have to turn it into a pissing contest. And again, I no doubt will be accussed of playing favourites again. Meeka gee? wasnt Stalky saying 'lets not make mistakes here'??......can we not respond? .......can you clear my posts for me so I dont embarrass myself, yet again? lol? its not a 'pissing contest' at all..its adult discussion.......
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15 years ago
Quoting 'stalky' Not a word about co-ercion. But really... your just piss and vinegar so I don't really care what you think anymore.Quoting 'mikeandshel' again..its you who is 'mistaken' .......'coercion' is convincing someone to do something they would not normally do.it encompasses a range of tactics...from simple nagging, through to threats of violence and physical retribution.... 'torture' IS coercion....'waterboarding' is coercion.....'bullying' is coercion......usings 'rewards' is coercion.....using tactics of 'guilt' and 'blame' is coercion....... kapisch? I'm not doing this with 'mirrors' ........simply using plain and easily understood English....... In this chapter, consent means consent freely and voluntarilygiven by a person with the cognitive capacity to give theconsent.(2) Without limiting subsection (1), a person’s consent to an act isnot freely and voluntarily given if it is obtained—(a) by force; or(b) by threat or intimidation; or(c) by fear of bodily harm; or(d) by exercise of authority; or(e) by false and fraudulent representations about the natureor purpose of the act; or(f) by a mistaken belief induced by the accused person thatthe accused person was the person’s sexual partner. ahh.......we must speak a different english to you then.....do you understand what 'coercion' is?, and did I say that it would be contained there? no.I said it would define rape... read what i wrote, dont read between the lines..........simple. match the meaning of 'coercion' to the laws definition of 'rape' ... b,c,d and e are 'coercive' tactics... doh! now look up 'coercive rape'............again..... pffft! heres just one for you, posted on an Education Facilities website....Coercion Coercion is the use of emotional manipulation to persuade someone to something they may not want to do – like being sexual or performing certain sexual acts. Examples of some coercive statements include: “If you love me you would have sex with me .”, “If you don't have sex with me I will find someone who will.”, and “I'm not sure I can be with someone who doesn't want to have sex with me.” Coercive statements are often part of many campus acquaintance rapes. Being coerced into having sex or performing sexual acts is not consenting to having sex and is considered rape/sexual assault. if you like I am sure I can obtain some printed literature on the subject for you......all part of the 'smiling' service......lol
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15 years ago
Looks like your deep in it again ,,,,,cheeky ass is after you!
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15 years ago
that's what we always go by
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15 years ago
You're still trolling way off topic Mike. Brae simply raising the specter of couples in which one partner freely and voluntarily takes one for the team. Not that I could ever imagine either Sara or Brae doing that. And so far as I can see, nobody has suggested than anyone should take one for the team... so you're really beating your chest like a fat silverback gorilla for no reason at all. That's right. You're pissing into the breeze mate. I suppose that should have come as no surprise to me as you've said you like piss play (but only as a couple). As for your statement about co-ersion.... well.. since co-ersion also includes saying something like "Be a good sport and take one for the team" then that's obviously not rape.. not here and fortunately not anywhere.. a point I made earlier if you wanted to hear it.... Sht mate.. that's not even considered to be rape in Queensland... which is, I would expect, precisely why the word "co-ersion" does not appear in the relevant enactment previously cited by you. C'mon big fella.... have a banana and tell me... are you carrying on like that just to be obnoxious or do you really just want more attention from your stalkyboy? Huh? Now... I don't want to state the obvious Mike... I mean people can make up their own minds about it and about you .. well ... I mean... you could just open up another profile and troll to your heart's content, even smile if you want to. You don't even need my permission... so be a sport... take one for the team.... eat your banana... there's a good boy.You could also do us a favour and edit down those ridiculously long quotes of quotes of quotes that you and others seem hell bent on thrusting on the rest of us... but then that would probably be too much to ask... You know nobody is reading all that crap right?HugsSQuoting 'mikeandshel' d define rape... read what i wrote, dont read between the lines..........simple. match the meaning of 'coercion' to the laws definition of 'rape' ... b,c,d and e are 'coercive' tactics... doh! now look up 'coercive rape'............again..... pffft! heres just one for you, posted on an Education Facilities website....bla bla bla google tripe.
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15 years ago
i would think there would be communication between couples before you go and "you know" i know with my partner the strick rule is we both play or no play at all (unless we make arrangements to do otherwise). but on the other hand i cant say i havent thought "well its soooo hard to find a single woman for a threesome but realisticly it would be easier to have sex with a couple to get the chick on chick action i want". but in the same breath no one should have to have sex with someone they dont want to that just screams bad experience.
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15 years ago
Quoting 'stalky' You're still trolling way off topic Mike. Brae simply raising the specter of couples in which one partner freely and voluntarily takes one for the team. Not that I could ever imagine either Sara or Brae doing that. And so far as I can see, nobody has suggested than anyone should take one for the team... so you're really beating your chest like a fat silverback gorilla for no reason at all. That's right. You're pissing into the breeze mate. I suppose that should have come as no surprise to me as you've said you like piss play (but only as a couple). As for your statement about co-ersion.... well.. since co-ersion also includes saying something like "Be a good sport and take one for the team" then that's obviously not rape.. not here and fortunately not anywhere.. a point I made earlier if you wanted to hear it.... Sht mate.. that's not even considered to be rape in Queensland... which is, I would expect, precisely why the word "co-ersion" does not appear in the relevant enactment previously cited by you. C'mon big fella.... have a banana and tell me... are you carrying on like that just to be obnoxious or do you really just want more attention from your stalkyboy? Huh? Now... I don't want to state the obvious Mike... I mean people can make up their own minds about it and about you .. well ... I mean... you could just open up another profile and troll to your heart's content, even smile if you want to. You don't even need my permission... so be a sport... take one for the team.... eat your banana... there's a good boy.You could also do us a favour and edit down those ridiculously long quotes of quotes of quotes that you and others seem hell bent on thrusting on the rest of us... but then that would probably be too much to ask... You know nobody is reading all that crap right?HugsSQuoting 'mikeandshel' d define rape... read what i wrote, dont read between the lines..........simple. match the meaning of 'coercion' to the laws definition of 'rape' ... b,c,d and e are 'coercive' tactics... doh! now look up 'coercive rape'............again..... pffft! heres just one for you, posted on an Education Facilities website....bla bla bla google tripe. ok settle down princess....theyre not my statements alone......and they are entirely 'on topic' so can the insults and stop with the deliberate baiting, its unbecoming of you, as an adult..... the content and context were pretty obvious.coercion (spelled correctly by the way) is not always 'obvious' and the 'taking one for the team' idea is well, to us and others quite distasteful. sex for sex's sake isnt why we are here, its to enjoy the ride...... seems like you lost the fun bit? made to feel guilty about 'not taking one for the team' isnt a healthy place to be.....the 'decision' to not play must always be made for healthy reasons......same as the decision 'to' play......do you not agree? so.it goes hand in hand that being 'coerced' by your partner by being made feel 'guilty' or 'slack' or 'responsible for someone elses enjoyment' is not fair, or reasonable. its this that constitutes coercion to do something that one wouldnt do under normal circumstance........having sex with someone as a direct result of being 'coerced' into it is 'rape'. not my call mate, as in this i am only the messenger...if you cant accept this then more the pity........so........get over yourself and learn something hey? you insulting us as a result of your frustrations only points out your shortcomings, not mine or ours.....besides, you not caring about us really does nothing to change the fact that the contribution i/we made here was based on fact, not on speculation or theorizing....... and hey...dont read the long quotes if they are too challenging. simple......
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15 years ago
Quoting 'Romancefor4' Looks like your deep in it again ,,,,,cheeky ass is after you! only ever 'deep in it' if i choose to be........is all good, this is just an 'aside' to our very busy but oh-so-average lives...... hey did you know theres a new Harley dealership opening in 2 weeks at Slacks Creek? Am seriously tempted to get me one of the new Road Kings.............. tho the Street Glides rather sharp looking too........ great thing this having 5 days off in every 8....lots of free time for me! lol.
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15 years ago
the whole thing is boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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15 years ago
Quoting 'desserts'I don't think that she did not stand my her man. Maybe they decided to go to the club and have fun with whoever they fancied. And maybe chap 2 assumed that she would play with him. I think chap 2 should have just gone and found someone else I agree totally.....! And as for others assuming....we've had a random come on over and try it on with us while we were playing with another couple at a club, no words spoken, just a finger up hubbys ass, then a sharp slap on the hand for her trouble, (yes her)....some people just think they can make their own rules as they go....needless to they that random didn't get any action with anyone that night.
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15 years ago
What happened to Romancefor4?? Did they get booted off again? M
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15 years ago
Quoting 'freqnasty' Coercing someone into sex is not rape Rape involves one party being in a position of social/physical/mental power over the 'victim' leading them to have sex with the victim without the victims consent Someone making an adult decision to have sex with someone they just aint that into is not rape, it is just terrible decision making You have been lawyered xx freq lol sorry...its not so simplistic.... in pure legal terms...the act of 'coercing' someone into a position wheer rape is the outcome is indeed a criminal offense....'coercion' is just a way of manipulating a person to an end..... rape, or whatever is an end........ no need to be lawyered..........bad or poor decision making is an entirely separate issue......
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15 years ago
Quoting 'HotSexyChilli' *eyes roll to heaven while a decidedly unsexy groan rumbles through her throat*You know you're having a really bad thread day when the Megalomaniac Purple Font is a welcomed alternative to Mike insulting and patronising others then accusing them of doing the same when they respond in kind!!!Quoting 'belabindi' the whole thing is boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Say it again for me BelabindiQuoting 'belabindi' the whole thing is boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go on, again...Quoting 'belabindi' the whole thing is boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And again...Quoting 'belabindi' the whole thing is boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And again...Quoting 'belabindi' the whole thing is boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And again...Quoting 'belabindi' the whole thing is boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I mean isn't this the thread for ceremoniously, pontificatingly, repe rep rep p p repea repeat repeat repeati repeati i i repeating ng ngggggggggg yourself????This isn't an adult discussion Mike, you've made it a dogmatic lecture.I think I'd rather go to hell than sit through another self righteous soapbox sermon.But thanks anyway Chilli xx Oh, and Stalky...? If I ever get to meet you, I'm sorry, but you're going to have to consent to me biting that deliciously cheeky bum you keep waving in my face... or suffer the consequences as I go all out to COERCE you just so I can have the thrill of "raping Stalky's ass" added to my list of misdemeanours... ok sweetness...............send us a postcard when you get there ok?????????????
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15 years ago
LIKE ! . Brae .............
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15 years ago
LIKE ! . Brae .............
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15 years ago
Quoting 'mikeandshel' Quoting 'Romancefor4' Looks like your deep in it again ,,,,,cheeky ass is after you! only ever 'deep in it' if i choose to be........is all good, this is just an 'aside' to our very busy but oh-so-average lives...... hey did you know theres a new Harley dealership opening in 2 weeks at Slacks Creek? Am seriously tempted to get me one of the new Road Kings.............. tho the Street Glides rather sharp looking too........ great thing this having 5 days off in every 8....lots of free time for me! lol. We like your posts and the responces you get, They are great entertainment value....Thankyou Glad to hear you are going away from those Gay bikes and looking at real bikes! (Seen the light?) And Meeka, we can count on both hands the number of times we have been booted....see butter would not melt! Love your aquired nickname ...Cheeky...! Cheers.....Sweetcheeks
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15 years ago
Quoting KD7884: Whats gone wrong with the world? Can't we make our own decisions anymore?? Or do our own actions and feelings HAVE to be dictated by someone else - in this case our partner? If I were ever in the position where I felt uncomfortable, or I just didn't want to shag someone, I wouldn't do it. Period. But there, i guess I can think for myself. I would probably be a little more open to the idea because of my partner, but if I didn't want to do it, thats MY decision, and would follow through with MY decision accordingly.I guess I must live in a dream land. Where everyone has their own brain, own thoughts and feelings. And the ability to follow through with these thoughts with actions that benefit ones self. Sounds like that just can't happen anymore...right? *rolls eyes* My thoughts exactly KD7884. To answer the original question, the lady has every right to choose who she will and won't have sex with and shouldn't have to justify her decision to anybody. If I were in a similar situation to the one discribed, I'd smile at her and then leave her alone to tickle her budgies tongue while I went and joined HER husband in pleasuring MY wife. Also I noticed a the similarities in stalky's and Meeka's photos......are you two twins? Just my thoughts S
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15 years ago
Quoting 'looking2try3' LIKE ! . Brae ............. yeah... a like button would be useful. I could then "like" KD7884's comment without him thinking I'm hitting on him. Not that I wouldnt hit on him.... what's not to like? His replies are always forthright ..so masculine....how can he not be attractive. Anyway... a like button.. yes. I like it.Quoting 'CnS_Playtime Also I noticed a the similarities in stalky's and Meeka's photos......are you two twins? haha... that just sounds so naughty it makes me want to say yes! :p Also... who have you been talking to?? I have requested of Meeka a small favour... vis vis.. to find identical twin men and line 'em both up for a shag. We want to know if they're identical in all respects... you know... how to make the perfect man sandwich :)Hugs
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15 years ago
A couple of things. I am more than sure Gaz doesn't need my support or ongoing commentary. More than capable of playing in the pit of lust and buggery ! But ....Thanks Gaz, You are right Sarah and I wouldnt play like that it was a merely a probing question.I must say I didnt realise it was going to become what it is - which appears to me a little more like a Dictatorial tyrade. Or "YOUR RIGHT as long as you agree with everything I say" ! PBGrrrrrrrrrrrl found that out ............ (Yeah I still read 95% percent of what you read J , despite not saying anything.).However I think this is all a bit of a game, a play for Mike and Shell , I think this is all about finding buttons about finding in what order to push them to get a result and attention. All appear similair to taking on Fi to me ..........nothing more than a game. Surely no one would waste life valuable time on these diatribes unless they were getting enjoyment from them? No matter how warped it is. . No matter the weather outside , I have more to do than , look up google dribble and stats from whogivesafuck.com , so I am off. . Brae ......... A bit of sport no doubt but remember kids - play the man , not the ball.
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15 years ago
Aren't you just the charmer!!! Rest assured the day I find the bi bone in my body, I'll be looking your ass up to give it to you... (Fuck....that came out quite dirtier than i thought!! Yeesh!!!!) Until then, if you want to be my promotions manager........ *beats chest and flexs arm muscles to keep this post all masculine and whatnot*
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15 years ago
Quoting 'looking2try3' A couple of things. I am more than sure Gaz doesn't need my support or ongoing commentary. More than capable of playing in the pit of lust and buggery ! But ....Thanks Gaz, You are right Sarah and I wouldnt play like that it was a merely a probing question.I must say I didnt realise it was going to become what it is - which appears to me a little more like a Dictatorial tyrade. Or "YOUR RIGHT as long as you agree with everything I say" ! PBGrrrrrrrrrrrl found that out ............ (Yeah I still read 95% percent of what you read J , despite not saying anything.).However I think this is all a bit of a game, a play for Mike and Shell , I think this is all about finding buttons about finding in what order to push them to get a result and attention. All appear similair to taking on Fi to me ..........nothing more than a game. Surely no one would waste life valuable time on these diatribes unless they were getting enjoyment from them? No matter how warped it is. . No matter the weather outside , I have more to do than , look up google dribble and stats from whogivesafuck.com , so I am off. . Brae ......... A bit of sport no doubt but remember kids - play the man , not the ball. its not.........wasting time writing 'diatribes' at all.......the point behind the whole topic was about choices......wasnt it??..........I offered up the scenario about informed choices being taken from a woman/man as a direct result of manipulation or coercion.........perhaps the feeling you conveyed in your posted topic was one that appeared to be manipulative and designed to foster a change of heart or even guilt in your partner so the episodes not repeated??.......... (ie a succinct and surreptitious way to 'beguile' your lady into remorse and regret?) .....................(no..... wait!........ that sounds like 'coercion').... and 'sex', as a result of 'coercion' is rape...(theres not always violence or the threat of violence in rape .......guilt is a wonderful motivator)......not my call here, the precedents already been established......and its this that I was sharing too.....that your partner has the right to choose yes or no, and either way, it has to be on her/his terms........ I/we get nothing from this, theres no "ego' boost or 'enjoyment' at all.......this is hardly the place either of us would come to for confirmation and encouragement.......so much for the 'adult discussions'??..........as to comparing to Fi? What are you on about? is there a veiled insult in there?
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15 years ago
KD7884 do you have a twin? JustEnough... I can't keep up with your name changes. So you think I should change my name? xx Meeka
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15 years ago
Twins?... but my arse is years younger! It's not like we both have birthmarks in the same place or anything. :P I can confirm that our fronts are a little different though, so we are not identical, just fraternal. xx Meeks
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15 years ago
Not biologically Meeka. I think the world is only big enough for the one of me anyway! Besides, nothing is as good as the original... Well...except maybe Heard It Through The Grapevine by Creedence Clearwater Revival. THAT was better than the original...
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15 years ago
I'm sure if the female was not happy with her hubby playing with said female then he would have stopped. We have been to the couples club on many occasions. I, the female might play with some guy and hubby might play with another female from another couple. Does it matter. Just cos you are in a couples club, do you have to do a staright swap with another couple?? As long asd everyone has fun does it matter?/Quite frankly i prefer to try and get an orgy thing happening, while hubby prefers a 1-1
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15 years ago
NO MEANS NO...NO EXPLAINATION NEEDED SIMPLE AS THAT.!!!!
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15 years ago
Quoting 'KD7884' Not biologically Meeka. I think the world is only big enough for the one of me anyway! Besides, nothing is as good as the original... Agree. Two of you would be ... painful most of the time *eyeroll*. And very hard work - But easier for Meeks and I when you get off your ass and come to Sydney Well...except maybe Heard It Through The Grapevine by Creedence Clearwater Revival. THAT was better than the original... I'll give you that one too. Barely. ..Flirty x
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15 years ago
I'm thinking .... Me, Flirty, KD7884 and Stalky all rolled into one big fuck off meat ball sandwich with extra mayo. Woo hoo!xxMeeks
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15 years ago
Pffffft .Brae ...........
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15 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100'I'm thinking .... Me, Flirty, KD7884 and Stalky all rolled into one big fuck off meat ball sandwich with extra mayo. Woo hoo!xxMeeks ... Cheaper. Meeks, not for the first time, I find myself liking how that mind of yours works. Let's just say, Stalky, I have it on very good authority, you won't need to dispense those 4 beers! . Slurpy .. Woopsie! I mean, Flirty x
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15 years ago
What are you saying Flirty? KD doesn't need 4 beers? Ooohhhh nice :)xxMeeka
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15 years ago
Seems the girls are getting a little distracted and have gone off topic. I do apologise...and will do my very best to try and keep them in line in future... Even if it means putting them both on a leash. *gets ready to duck thrown objects*
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15 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100'What are you saying Flirty? KD doesn't need 4 beers? Ooohhhh nice :)xxMeeka Yes Meeks, that was what I was saying ;-) Quoting 'KD7884'Seems the girls are getting a little distracted and have gone off topic. I do apologise...and will do my very best to try and keep them in line in future... Even if it means putting them both on a leash. *gets ready to duck thrown objects*. And you young man, can settle! *insert whip-cracking sound here* I am more than capable of making my own apologies to Brae for thread-hijacking and realised last night that I failed to answer the question that was asked, although it would seem to me it has been answered quite well already. Sorry Brae. . So, in answer to the original questions: . Is it ok to tell someone you don't want to root them in a swing situation? If your partners busy rooting his/her way to heaven over in the corner with that persons partner ? or do you just have to "swallow" ? . Yes, although I would like to avoid getting into that situation in the first place if possible. If I attended one of these parties as a couple, I would ensure we played as a couple, not merely arrive as a couple and then separate to scratch our own itches. ie. For me, it would be about mutual pleasure. . Is this fair ? Can you do that. I am new to the whole swinging thing (swallows , coughs and moves on hoping no one notices that) is that on can you just let your bloke go "willy nilly" bonking his head off all over the shop ? or is there an expectation you "stand by your man" ??? . I'm not really sure it is "fair", hence why I'd be trying to avoid getting into the position in the first place. Yes, you can do that, as should be your perogative (free will and all that stuff that got convoluted further up this thread), but I suppose if I were one of two in this situation, I would prefer to "stand by my man" and have that reciprocated. So, I (or rather, we) would select our playmates with a view to it satisfying BOTH of our needs, and if one member of the couple didn't quite fit our desire checklist, then I'd like to think we would sacrifice the 'hottie' and seek out the 'package deal' .. if that makes sense ... . Flirty x. And KD, you should know I bring my own restraints, no leash necessary ...
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15 years ago
Looks like it's Formatting Fuck-Up Sunday! *eyeroll*
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15 years ago
My profile states that I'm out to experience as many things as possible.So of late I have been exploring the local club scene. I go there with my single girl friends. So first time at this club.. I am told there is a sex swing further back. I then also have a nice single guy offer to help me use it. I made sure before I got on that he knows he is to wear a condom. We are then swinging away (hehe) attracting quite the voyeuristic crowd. One man moves behind the swing uninvited and starts playing with my boobs. I say.. "your interfering with the swing" my partner backs this statement up with an extra big thrust so the pattern of the swing gets interrupted when it hits the guys torso. Now I made a mistake there because I was trying to be subtle and polite instead of just saying No! The interferer then comes round to the side and continues touching me... so this time I say "No thank you... I want to do this one on one" Now he continues and my actual partner tells him to go. Just as well cos I was about to scream bloody murder! All good.A while later my random partner comes back to me and asks if I will play in the private room with another couple... he then adds that they wont play with him on his own they want to play couple to couple. Now here is where black and white becomes a grey area and why I wanted to share this.... To an outsider hearing this and then watching me go to play in the room they would be thinking I was only doing it because he wanted to... to help him out. But what an outsider can't hear is my own thoughts on the matter weighing up MY decision. 1... I am a single lady and not wanting to be in a relationship any time soon. 2... I have not experienced a couple to couple encounter and my current relationship status means unlikely to? So I agreed... for MY benefit alone!!!! Now if you are still reading my novel the next part gets VERY interesting.Entering the private room I note that it is a mature couple... lol probably not that many years older than me... The lady is quite attractive, the man was Ok looking if you like the old-school bank manager look... But not repulsive! I get on the bed and my random partner bless his cotton sox, Made sure the guy knew he was to wear a condom by handing him one and saying so. The guy grumbled saying it interfered with his erection. But after a bit of foreplay he proceeded to put the condom on and I watch his manhood disappear. He then kneeling over me starts wanking, trying to get a hard on then pulls the condom off and asks me to suck it. All the while I'm lying there playing with myself and thinking "fuck its after midnight and this guy is wasting valuable fucking time" So when he whips the condom off ... I get off the bed saying "Sorry guys have fun.. but this isn't what I signed up for" and left the room. Hehe I noted my random partner still got to stay in the room too!Now I share this story with you, because, what Brae may have seen at the club was not actually 2 couples trying to play... they could have been 2 FBs who linked up for the night to go swinging... but were actually free agents. I would also imagine, had they been a real couple.. there would have been negotiations.. before getting to the club... Can they play alone, or only together. Then at the club negotiations with the other couple.. "Hi we really like your wife, is it ok if I fuck her, as my wife gets off on watching me." It doesn't ring true. Especially as the missus jumped on guy 3 without batting an eyelid at her "partner" If that was the scenario then they would've bee lined for a single chick. I'd say they were just a random couple for the night.No always mean no. And for the record at another club when we (my fb partner that night) were being shown around.. it was stipulated that no uninvited intrusions would be tolerated! Viewing the shenanigans was no problem but to lay a hand on someone uninvited will see you escorted out!
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15 years ago
Quoting 'KD7884' Seems the girls are getting a little distracted and have gone off topic. I do apologise...and will do my very best to try and keep them in line in future... Even if it means putting them both on a leash. *gets ready to duck thrown objects* Thanks KD ....... truly appreciate it mate, but these very unruly mob know no bounds and it is beyond mere mortal such as you and I mate to control them ! .Nor may I say do I care too .....I kinda like them free and unruly. Oh and Flirty I am more than happy ....and in fact a little fond of thread Hijacking !!!!!!!! .Brae .........
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15 years ago
I know you're all good Brae, just couldn't resist the opportunity to take my good friend KD firmly in hand and blow a little hot air all over his ... Shite! Sorry, I mean ... Just so we all know where we stand and what position we are best manoeuvred into... Hell! I mean, I'm the first to get on my knees and plead forgiveness if it's required of me ... Oh God, Meeks, I think I'm suffering from your drought-related craziness! *oh woe is meeeeee!*
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15 years ago
Quoting 'flirty_bi_fem' I know you're all good Brae, just couldn't resist the opportunity to take my good friend KD firmly in hand and blow a little hot air all over his ... Shite! Sorry, I mean ... Just so we all know where we stand and what position we are best manoeuvred into... Hell! I mean, I'm the first to get on my knees and plead forgiveness if it's required of me ... Oh God, Meeks, I think I'm suffering from your drought-related craziness! *oh woe is meeeeee!* LIKE !
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15 years ago
Drought Flirty... mmmm..... I thought it was supposed to be raining men but all I get at the moment is my own big puddles. xxMeeks
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15 years ago
Quoting MeeksDrought Flirty... mmmm..... I thought it was supposed to be raining men but all I get at the moment is my own big puddles. But sometimes its like "What does a girl have to do to get a root around here!" LOL
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15 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100'Drought Flirty... mmmm..... I thought it was supposed to be raining men but all I get at the moment is my own big puddles. xxMeeks Twenty more days and I'll be breaking that drought with a gigantic big wet patch of Welcome Home!!!! ... In the meantime, it's all 'God bless the rabbit' and poorly lit mobile phone videos! PMSL . ... Maybe the time has come to visit one of those Gentlemens Clubs, you know, smoke some cigars, drink some fine liquor and find you a nice dam-busting hottie ... . Frisky Flirty x . PS. Thanks Brae ... We may need a chaperone ... wanna come?
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15 years ago
Good idea Flirty, maybe we should all meet at a certain club... you know just for a get together and that way, we can observe first hand Brae's special "fuck without a stitch" technique. xxMeeks
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15 years ago
Too right Annabella. xxMeeks
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15 years ago
Fuck without a stitch? Now this would be valuable educational stimulation and I am always open to learning something new. Show me the way oh wise one!
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15 years ago
Oh yeah... Brae, he be da Master :P xxMeeka
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RHP User
15 years ago
If we were to get all carried away and reeeallly hijack this thread, do you think Brae might make us wear masks and carry weapons? . .. ... Just wondering
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RHP User
15 years ago
God yes, lets hijack Brae what do you think?Masks we can definitely do and we will have to wear our matching corsets with our boobs spilling out and suspender belt and stockings. And, as we all know, I have my own weapon already and it's big, black and nasty. Brae, SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND. xxMeeks
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'KD7884' If I were ever in the position where I felt uncomfortable, or I just didn't want to shag someone, I wouldn't do it. Period. My sentiment completely! I utterly & whole-heartedly agree with you KD. Period. Be true to yourselves. KK x
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RHP User
15 years ago
When am I gonna learn?? *groan* I should know better than to encourage you by now! You were the kid that always took Dare over Truth, weren't you? The one to spin the bottle first, the girl who schemed the plan for the best way to avoid getting caught wagging school ... I should just know better. And here I was dancing around to P!nk's Bad Influence tonight thinking I was shit hot and she's written that song with ME in mind!! :-O
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'freqnasty' Quoting 'mikeandshel' Quoting 'freqnasty' Coercing someone into sex is not rape Rape involves one party being in a position of social/physical/mental power over the 'victim' leading them to have sex with the victim without the victims consent Someone making an adult decision to have sex with someone they just aint that into is not rape, it is just terrible decision making You have been lawyered xx freq lol sorry...its not so simplistic.... in pure legal terms...the act of 'coercing' someone into a position wheer rape is the outcome is indeed a criminal offense....'coercion' is just a way of manipulating a person to an end..... rape, or whatever is an end........ no need to be lawyered..........bad or poor decision making is an entirely separate issue...... You just proved my point. Coercion is very broad in definition and it isnt rape on its own it needs to lead to sex without consent..of course coercion leading to rape is rape thats like saying buying a knife leading to murder is still murder...talk about over simplifying things... Telling somone you are the worlds greatest lover as a pick up line is coering them into the sack, does that mean putting up a sub par performance in bed is rape....90% of rhp just went to jail noo....thats just spinning a yarn..... again ...i said that sex as a RESULT of coercion was rape..not that 'coercion' itself was rape!....coercion means to manipulate with threat, innuendo, reward or intimidation, a person into a position where they would behave in a manner thats not their normal manner, and to agree to do things they would not 'normally do'.........its not 'bullshitting, or exaggerating or embellishing' or anything of the sort.. 'coercion' isnt 'broad in definition' its a pretty specific set of tactics and behaviors............. as per; 'Blacks Law' 9th editioncoerce. to compel by force or threat.'The Essential Law Dictionary' 2008 edition coerce. V. To force someone to act against his or her wishes,through the use of verbal or physical threats or other forms ofcompulsion. N. coercion.'Ballentines Law' 3rd Editioncoerce. compulsion by the application of physical or mental force or persuasion.these are not 'Googled' quotes. I opened these books physically and found these entries.and i didnt allude to situations where anyone said 'oh-ok-why not?lol' I always meant a situation where the woman/man REALLY DIDNT WANT TO! BUT FELT "COMPELLED" TO, AGAINST THEIR WISHES..........
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'couplesint' NO MEANS NO...NO EXPLAINATION NEEDED SIMPLE AS THAT.!!!! but sometimes 'yes' really means 'no' too, doesnt it?..........
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RHP User
15 years ago
No means NO......if you wanted to say YES then Yes would be said.It is about communication....if you orginally say yes...but half way through you feel uncomfy...then you just speak up..It is not about others..it is about what YOU and YOUR partner want.A maybe is a NO....a whatever is a NO.....No means NO....simple and no explaination needed ever!!!!A yes is a yes, until further notice...hehe.
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RHP User
15 years ago
This is a very clear statement. I have no issue with it at all. It is compelling logic even if it is not strictly the subject of the topic of conversation... which is where the conflict lays. Quoting 'mikeandshel' at no point during play does anyone 'have' to do anything they dont want to.... for as soon as they do, it becomes something other than play. if your parnter puts you in a situation where you feel 'compelled' to do something you dont wish to do, doesnt that then constitute rape? adultery without consent is rape, and just because someones a swinger, it doesnt mean that they for go their rights in any way. if she doesnt want to, she doesnt have to. simple. no is no. Being "compelled" however is not necessarily being co-ersed. The term co-ersed is too loosey goosey in the context of defining a crime. Furthermore for a crime to be committed there must be an element of mens rea. If I was to say to my lover "c'mon take one for the team bebe", I'm not guilty of any crime for that. It goes without saying that if co-ersion results in a person having sex forced upon them against their will then the crime is the forceful act committed, the co-ersion may have been completely innocent.Anyway... I'm going to continue to co-erce people in a most gentlemanly way, into having sex with me... and if that's a crime, then I've woken up in a foreign land.Hugsstalky
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RHP User
15 years ago
does it really matter where you are everyone has the choice of who they have sex with If a couple have their rules of being able to play seperatly or one on one it doesnt have to be presumed the other partner will play with the other partner we are a couple with a huse age difference If my lady fancies a young male and wants to enjoy him I dont automatically think that his young lady will fancy me, and its totally her choice its called respect and a persons choice It might be her lose but its her choice
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'mikle1' I didn't read the whole thread so I dont know if this was covered. Was there any reason the guy with his dick in his hand - Chap2 could not have joined Chap1 in pleasureing Chap2's Wife? She is after all his partner... Chap1's Wife shouldnt have to take one for team and it seems she found a nice lollipop anyway. Chap2 allways had this possibility even if as a couple they had a rule to play as a couple. You know what I mean.. Chap 2 finding a random might have been against their couple rules. Swinging, great when it works, sux when it dont. Mikle Hey Mate welcome back !.The interesting thing is that the above twists and turns are for Mikenad shell , which we have all gleemed is for thier own gratification or terribly self indulgent attempt to, as Gaz has described, be the Gorilla in the pits ( Gaz the pits bit is for you mate Pardon the pun !) .Lets face it firstly you are right , there are a terrible amount of other possibilities isnt there. Many many things could have happened and in fact did ! Chap 2 wasnt slow he went on to find himself another smoking hot chicky babe and serviced her like a mechanic. She loved it he loved it they all loved it ! it did work , I just pose questions..NO one was ever forced into anything .....Mike knows that he is being a tool pissing on tree's , cocking his leg trying to prove his intellect. I have always found the more you have to prove the less capacity you have ! Sorry Mike I enjoy your bits here and there but your going on like a dill and its just getting boring :( this thread has not impressed me it has disapointed me. Yeah yeah I know ........ your leg cocking, will have you say you have nothing to prove and your your own man and you do this for yourself no one else .......ra ra ra ....... your superior (Eye's roll ,sincerity flys out the door)..Brae ............ lovin a sunny winter day.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'looking2try3' .....Mike knows that he is being a tool pissing on tree's , cocking his leg trying to prove his intellect...PMSL... Twice in one week that you've been called a tool Mike?? Yeesh!!
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'KD7884' Quoting 'looking2try3' .....Mike knows that he is being a tool pissing on tree's , cocking his leg trying to prove his intellect...PMSL... Twice in one week that you've been called a tool Mike?? Yeesh!! if it was from someone i liked and respected, then maybe it would have an impact, but as its only here, i dont really care........ the name callings not going to make me feel bad, but will point out to others, the shortcomings of those who would stoop to schoolyard insults while in a supposedly 'adult' discussion on a 'supposedly' adult site...........
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'mikeandshel' Quoting 'KD7884' Quoting 'looking2try3' .....Mike knows that he is being a tool pissing on tree's , cocking his leg trying to prove his intellect...PMSL... Twice in one week that you've been called a tool Mike?? Yeesh!! ...........if it was from someone i liked and respected, then maybe it would have an impact, ................ Yes but Mike that list is looking like it has only one person on it ........... YOU ! .Brae ..............
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RHP User
15 years ago
I think the responces and the way the thread goes depends on the way we are treated by others. We are all at fault at times, we are! Maybe should all know when to laugh its not the end of the world.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'looking2try3' Quoting 'mikeandshel' Quoting 'KD7884' Quoting 'looking2try3' .....Mike knows that he is being a tool pissing on tree's , cocking his leg trying to prove his intellect...PMSL... Twice in one week that you've been called a tool Mike?? Yeesh!! ...........if it was from someone i liked and respected, then maybe it would have an impact, ................ Yes but Mike that list is looking like it has only one person on it ........... YOU ! .Brae .............. lol.....my list of 'friends' is your business suddenly? Why?
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'JustEnough' I think the responces and the way the thread goes depends on the way we are treated by others. We are all at fault at times, we are! Maybe should all know when to laugh its not the end of the world. LIKE ............
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'JustEnough' I think the responces and the way the thread goes depends on the way we are treated by others. We are all at fault at times, we are! Maybe should all know when to laugh its not the end of the world. theres not been a point yet where this forum stuff has wiped any smile from my face.... Its conversational for the most part, even if others get a little heated about things....but all good in the end if even one person has a moment of enlightenment as a result of what we all share here.........good, bad or indifferent, theres a lesson in everything......... we live to learn. as much as we learn to live....
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RHP User
15 years ago
we have been lucky not to be in that situation in a club...but, we did swap at home with a couple once, and after a while i just couldn't sleep with his missus... all was ok(sort of) until she took her clothes off...lol. i felt kind of rude but i could see my wife was having a great time with her man... luckily they ended up calling it off.since then we have always decided not to go through with it unless we were 100% sure, no matter how goodlooking the other partner was...
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RHP User
15 years ago
If im not attracted to the other guy, there is no chance im having sex with them, and yes i would be trying to find another couple or guy to be with as you would be turn on, the guy who is missing out can always go threeway his his misses anyway, or maybe she doesn't want a bar of him either ha ha...
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RHP User
15 years ago
haha you kind would feel pretty shitty if that was the case. pretty harsh
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