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Too young for sexy?

August 09 2011

There has been a lot of controversy in the media of late with regard to child beauty pageants. Harmless fun for the child (who as the parents quickly point out - want to do it) or an insidious rape of their innocence, with resultant exposure to issues that a child should not have to consider for many more years (the agony of body image and the pain of trying to measure up to ideals of 'beauty' - narrow and restrictive and unrelenting in expectation ). Recently, a young model of pre-teen years lay reclining in a series of provocative shots in a popular fashion magazine (overseas), complete with leopard print cfm heels. Her Lolita pout and bedroom eyes brought about howls of protest from some camps, while others considered it to be a bona fide (and even desirable) occupation for a child of undeniable beauty to be involved in. Opinions seem to be split with regard to 'appropriateness of this kind of activity. Is it exploitation? Is it harmless emulation of what they see in the world around them? Is there a point where we should consider our youth 'too young for sexy'?

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  • RHP

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    14 years ago

    There has to be a point where "to young for sexy". To one extreme i think it is only promoting pedophilia. Isn't that what these people look for???? IMO it is exploitation... little kids like to dress up ... yes but leave it as a game that little girls/boys play at home. How can a 2,3 or 4 year old know and fully understand the enormity of a beauty pageant!!! Is there really a need for 'teens' or 'pre-teens' to dress in a way to look sexy? I cant think of one Let kids be kids and not play grown-ups in public view!I have worked in an area where i monitored CCTV in major shopping centers and the things you see with pre-teens and teens use to make me cringe!mrs playmatewantd42

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    14 years ago

    I want my two girls to look nice, but the "sexy" look IMO is reinforcing stereotypes in children far too young to understand. Bad enough that we have to endure those Proactiv ads..."I can't get up and perform in front of 30,000 screaming fans because I have a pimple!!!"...which are clearly aimed at the pre-teen and teenage markets.My girls love to dress up in fairy or princess costumes, and they are beautiful (just ask them!). They don't need no pageant to confirm that.

  • RHP

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    14 years ago

    Anyone that has problems with Beauty Pageants should just stay away from them! So what? These kids are loving what they do and all look adorable! Only the mothers need to be toned down a bit! I felt so sorry for that little girl and her mother who were holed up in their hotel room with security guards because of death threats! Who the fuck gives death threats to a kid? As for the protestors that were outside the pageant...get a bloody life....shave your armpits and your legs and go and get a root! Too much other shit going on in the world to bother with a harmless pageant! As for it being a "ground" for pedophiles I don't agree....a pedophile can stalk a school or even a shopping centre where they take the photos of kids....they are everywhere and you can't stop them! You only need to look at priests and teachers... < If a child is really beautiful enough to be on the cover or in a magazine, I see nothing wrong with that either...from memory there was an uproar about some of Elle's pics when she was just 15! It's not as if they have their vagina is in full view for everyone to see! Remember...what may be "sleazy" to one person....may be classy to another...we all have our own views on pictures that are taken! xFunlovingx

  • RHP

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    14 years ago

    Sometimes we spend too much time and energy pushing the morality of adults off on the kids. Now, do the kids think they look "sexy" or just playing dress-ups. If you want to bust someone...hammer the media that portrays them as sexy and toughen up the laws around the commission of child related sex crimes or crimes on any sort for that matter. | Ain't no big thing...until you make it one.

  • RHP

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    14 years ago

    They dont need to be exploited... they dont need heavy makeup, wigs, and false nails ... by all means let children dress up and play as kids ... but keep the media out of it .. keep the makeup under lock and key .... they truly are not children long enough...

  • RHP

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    14 years ago

    Funloving, the girl that crackup was referring to was a 10 year old girl who they dressed up as a cougar with high heel leopard skin high heels, makeup, etc. Looked ridiculous and I think the sexualisation of young children is wrong. I mean what was the point of it? Why do grown women want to look at a 10 year old dressed up like a 30 year old. Makes no sense. As for beauty pageants... they are ridiculous too. :(

  • RHP

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    14 years ago

    Now, I have something to say. I don't agree with it. I'm against it - BUT I acknowledge that innoncence died tthe day Miley Cyrus pole danced on an ice-cream truck at the kids' choice awards. And have yall seen the shit they put on the disney channel now? I find myself watching the odd episode of The Suite Life on Deck and I get a bit around because a couple of those girls are pretty fucking hot. Is that my fault? Nope.

  • RHP

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    14 years ago

    IMO it is blatant sexualisation of our children. They only have a few years of being a child. Let them enjoy it without all the pressure involved in becoming a performing monkey for thier underacheiving mothers. It is not only the fault of the mothers out there though, it goes across the whole board right down to the clothes that designers make for little girls. How many of you have actually looked at the clothing available for little girls these days? They are exactly the same as for adults but in smaller sizes. Do three and four year old girls need to wear a bra? Do they need to wear hipster jeans and black suede boots? I am constantly telling kids that nine year olds are NOT sexy. That anyone who thinks a child of nine is sexy has problems. I am constantly telling them that they are too young for a boy / girl friend. Children as young as five can and do suffer from anhorexia nervosa these days. A five year old should be running, skinning knees, climbing trees and playing with her dollies....not worrying about her body image. Now we all remember Jon-Bennet Ramsey dont we?

  • RHP

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    14 years ago

    I can see both sides here, but this is something I'm not comfortable with. I can understand little girls wanting to dress up and looking pretty and just have fun, but it disturbs me that it has to be done in front of complete strangers with god knows what in their head. OK. you could say mine is a over protective veiw, but there's alot of sick puppies out there and there's no way I could put my daughter out there in the name fashion or any other name you like to call it.It would be difficult for any parent to stop little girls full of innocence from something they no doubt would love to do, but isnt this where your parental roll kicks in ? We only feel this way because the alarm bells tell us something's not quite right.I say' let them dress up with their friends in a safe enviorment and keep them protected from the things they do not yet understand. They dont know the difference. we do. Thats what responsible parents are for...I would love to say' yes' just get out there and have a good time, but I just cant.. Mr JJPS... Mrs JJ has a different view from me , she's quite OK with it...

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    14 years ago

    While I dislike the beauty pageants for small fry I don't think they are anything more than some dress up fun and a song and dance routine or two. It's the pushy parents that should be banned. If the kids are having fun then where is the harm? I viewed the shoot of the ten year old in the boudoir with mixed feelings. Whilst I know that my daughter of similar age would love to dress up like that with the heels and make-up, I would hate to see her in the same provocative poses. They start the make up and heels a bit early these days and providing it is done in a fun way I can't see the harm in it.How many of us adults like to wear nice clothes to go out? How many of you ladies won't leave the house without your make up? I think in a way we are all still dressing up one way or another. We do need to be careful that we let our children have fun and look pretty dressing up, not sexing up.

  • RHP

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    14 years ago

    Kids love to play dress ups and pretend to be adults and princesses and cops and robbers and cowboys and indians and darth vader... so why not this pageant thingy? My daughter loved "physsie"... and it was good for their co-ordination to do those gym things... the only traumatic bit was getting on all the fake tan and doing the big hair... we did neither. I used to do her makeup and hair cause mum was too ruff!! lmfao... so we played all that crap down and it was just as much fun. That's the important bit... is it fun? There are so many other things to do than have to deal with discontented children doing something because their parents want them to.I dont think these activities are sexual in the least. They're role play games for kids... meant ot be fun, meant to provide an opportunity to improve posture and balance and co-ordination... and public speaking.. and talent.... HUgsStalky

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    14 years ago

    Quoting 'MistressT' While I dislike the beauty pageants for small fry I don't think they are anything more than some dress up fun and a song and dance routine or two. It's the pushy parents that should be banned. If the kids are having fun then where is the harm? The harm is that pageants vindicate other atrocious behaviour by the parents - as I understand it, particularly mothers. Google "breast implants seven year old" and you'll find a story about a mother (extensively worked) who gave her daughter a $10,000 gift certificate for a breast implant for when she turns 16. Imparting that sort of body image concern on a child that age is disgusting. None of us should define ourselves primarily by our sexuality or attractiveness - it can only lead to disappointment and insecurity as we get older. Teaching a child to be confident and secure in themselves may be more difficult than picking up a gift certificate, but it's worth infinitely more than $10k.

  • RHP

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    14 years ago

    Last note here as this has all the hallmarks of an up and coming "War of the Roses" but...the sexual fantasies and promotion of kids doing this, goofing around and having some fun is really an adult problem. Sure, you will run into parents living vicariously through their kids...but have you checked out the parents at a kids footy match or netball game? Oh my, young girls in shorts running up and down the court to cheers of the adoring crowds. Line call...but is that much different? | Where it comes undone...and again an adult problem, is like the Brooke Shields thing. Remember her in that movie "Pretty Baby" and to some extent "The Blue Lagoon"....gimme a break. The should have been handing out handy wipes to the folks wearing raincoats into the theatres in middle of summer. | They're just kids...of course we could repress them and not let them enjoy their imaginations, enjoy their fantasies and everything that lives in the playground of a child's mind. | I am sure they will grow up to be model citizens...our jails are full of them.

  • RHP

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    14 years ago

    Quoting 'ChasingMidnight' Sure, you will run into parents living vicariously through their kids...but have you checked out the parents at a kids footy match or netball game? Oh my, young girls in shorts running up and down the court to cheers of the adoring crowds. Line call...but is that much different? Team sports are a worthy pursuit for people of any age. They teach cooperation and commitment as well as promoting good physical health, so I don't put them anywhere near child beauty pageants.Perhaps the fact that I'm the father of a young girl makes me overly-sensitive, but I find the fact that you single out "girls in shorts" to be a bit off.

  • RHP

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    14 years ago

    do six year olds know about pageants? no. do six year olds know about makeup and how to wear it? no. do six year olds understand what pelvic thrusts and gyrating hips mean? no. do six year olds visit beauty salons for style makeovers? manicures? pedicures? eyebrow plucks? no no no and no. what these 'adults' are doing to their children is not parenting...its something hateful........little girls shouldnt dress in provocative clothing, dance to provocative music, or wear makeup and adult hairstyles...............they should be little girls and be innocent of these things

  • RHP

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    14 years ago

    In my opinion the way pageants are now are just encouraging sickos, If you want to have beauty pageants for girls of a young age there should be limits like no cosmetics of any kind that includes hair extentions, fake eyelashes and veneers as well as age appropriate clothing.I think thats the problem they glam them up with all that shit making them look older then they are, let them be young if they want to dress themselves up that way when they are older thats their choice but at the age they are they might say that is what they want but they are impressionable and they only want it because their parents tell them they want it enough for them to start believing it their self.

  • RHP

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    14 years ago

    Quoting 'Snowshoe' Quoting 'ChasingMidnight' Sure, you will run into parents living vicariously through their kids...but have you checked out the parents at a kids footy match or netball game? Oh my, young girls in shorts running up and down the court to cheers of the adoring crowds. Line call...but is that much different? Team sports are a worthy pursuit for people of any age. They teach cooperation and commitment as well as promoting good physical health, so I don't put them anywhere near child beauty pageants.Perhaps the fact that I'm the father of a young girl makes me overly-sensitive, but I find the fact that you single out "girls in shorts" to be a bit off.no...its more than a bit 'off'....its downright insulting to parents, and to young girls........we have 2 girls....and protecting them from leering freaks at sports events is just one of the myriad of difficulties we faced........theres no comparison between sports events and pageants.....ones something children are exposed to in a healthy and usually supportive way...the others more akin to child exploitation than it is to pageantry....

  • RHP

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    14 years ago

    As usual' I find myself agreeing with your comments. Little girls are being lead into these masquerades by over zealous mothers who appear to be living their life through the eyes of their daughters.When my son was younger I would have loved him to follow me into the NRL , but he choose soccer instead and I more than supported his decision all the way. It was not about me, it was about what he wanted to play. There is a big difference... These little girls dont have that choice, they only follow their mothers excitement and thats all they understand.. if mummy is happy then so am I...

  • RHP

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    14 years ago

    Quoting 'mikeandshel'do six year olds know about pageants? no. do six year olds know about makeup and how to wear it? no. do six year olds understand what pelvic thrusts and gyrating hips mean? no. do six year olds visit beauty salons for style makeovers? manicures? pedicures? eyebrow plucks? no no no and no. what these 'adults' are doing to their children is not parenting...its something hateful........little girls shouldnt dress in provocative clothing, dance to provocative music, or wear makeup and adult hairstyles...............they should be little girls and be innocent of these things

  • RHP

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    14 years ago

    ...then I am off this one. The insult mongering has started already...although I didn't take your comment as such, Snow and equally have close friends who are shuddering at the thought of their teenage daughters even coming of age where they will start dating. I think that's all part of being a good parent. | Quoting 'Snowshoe' They teach cooperation and commitment as well as promoting good physical health, so I don't put them anywhere near child beauty pageants. Perhaps the fact that I'm the father of a young girl makes me overly-sensitive, but I find the fact that you single out "girls in shorts" to be a bit off. | Before coming here, I lived in a very small community and as part of our self-determining school district, was elected to the board. As part of both a personal and business contribution...I also coached kids baseball at several level and to this day very glad that my co-coach was also a police officer. Nice to have your own built in "parent control mechanism" built right in to the team as the parent of the kids were horrific at times...until of course you asked the to volunteer or help out. | I think some of the "sports parents" across the boards can be equally obsessed and perhaps drive their own children right out of some sports simply by being too aggressive in wanting their children to achieve what they may not have. I am sure you have observed that...and we literally had my co-coach eject some of the parent spectators. It's that same obsession that was intended...I think a few of the parents need to be kicked out of the pageant game. | The analogy of the the girls playing netball...could have been better chosen perhaps and I did help out with our school's co-ed basketball teams. Great fun and very healthy way for the kids to learn social skills and appropriate ways for boys/girls to interact. | This same little town had a "Little Miss Sunshine" pageant every year for girls across three age groups. The could sing, dance, read something they had written or even bake if they wanted to...anything and no, not a glitzy costume in sight. You could always tell which kids were doing something they liked and which were looking nervously at the parents when the judging start...guess who had probably done the writing or the baking, and the singing well what can I say. | It was a lot of fun for the whole community, and the three little girls that won each year were almost always the ones that you would have wanted as your own daughter if you had one...they were just that darn cute. | I think anything can be what the parents make of it...and will leave it right there. | Now on with the show....

  • RHP

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    14 years ago

    Quoting 'fionabee' Quoting 'mikeandshel'do six year olds know about pageants? no. do six year olds know about makeup and how to wear it? no. do six year olds understand what pelvic thrusts and gyrating hips mean? no. do six year olds visit beauty salons for style makeovers? manicures? pedicures? eyebrow plucks? no no no and no. what these 'adults' are doing to their children is not parenting...its something hateful........little girls shouldnt dress in provocative clothing, dance to provocative music, or wear makeup and adult hairstyles...............they should be little girls and be innocent of these things on this one, i kinda thought you would... thanks.

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    14 years ago

    Quoting 'stalky'Kids love to play dress ups and pretend to be adults and princesses and cops and robbers and cowboys and indians and darth vader... so why not this pageant thingy? Why not pageants, because this is not a game, it is serious business and these pageants perpetuate the idea that girls and women can and should be judged on their looks and their appearance. So dressing like cowboy and Indians is fun, and my nieces certainly love dressing up as princesses and have been wearing nail polish since they were about three years of age just for a bit of fun. But I would hate for them to be judged on their looks at 3, 4 or 5 or whatever the age is... and what? Be essentially told you are not pretty enough? Have you ever seen Little Miss Sunshine? xx Meeks

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    14 years ago

    Quoting 'Meeka100'Why not pageants, because this is not a game, it is serious business and these pageants perpetuate the idea that girls and women can and should be judged on their looks and their appearance.I agree all the way. Imagine if they had pageants for boys, with them parading around striking sexually suggestive poses? I don't know about anyone else, but it would feel more than slightly sick to me. Given that women are arguably more vulnerable to body image issues as it is, it seems mad to plant those ideals on purpose and at a young age... or ever.

  • RHP

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    14 years ago

    My son won first prize in a pageant when he was around 2 years old! Only put him in the one pageant but you should see his head now...lmfao! EVERY mother thinks that their child is the prettiest baby around or the most handsome! I agree that if the child loves doing it and it gives them self esteem and allows them to catch up with all their other pageant friends then there is nothing wrong with it! There is a show on Foxtel about Child Pageants and I have seen kids in tears saying they don't want to do it...so the parent pulls them out (not all parents but a good majority)! Then you hear from the little tikes that LOVE being dressed up and LOVE make-up and LOVE performing for the audience...if they LOVE it...why should it bother anyone else? I remember when I was 6-7 years old and I would sneakily put on my mum's dresses and wedding dress and put makeup on! I loved it...until I got caught! Hehe! < As for Pageants making kids think about body image? You only need to see the prepies at schools that give that one poor overweight kid a hard time! I have seen it over and over...they don't need pageants to give them body issue problems, they get it everywhere they look! Even the Target/Kmart catalogues are full of skinny kids...never once do you see an overweight child as a model! < In the end we all have our views on them and to me...if the kids love doing it...then why stop them? xFunlovingx

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    14 years ago

    In the form of a child wearing more makeup than Tammy Faye Baker?? There is no beauty in that!...

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    14 years ago

    Quoting 'fionabee' Quoting 'mikeandshel'do six year olds know about pageants? no. do six year olds know about makeup and how to wear it? no. do six year olds understand what pelvic thrusts and gyrating hips mean? no. do six year olds visit beauty salons for style makeovers? manicures? pedicures? eyebrow plucks? no no no and no. what these 'adults' are doing to their children is not parenting...its something hateful........little girls shouldnt dress in provocative clothing, dance to provocative music, or wear makeup and adult hairstyles...............they should be little girls and be innocent of these things

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    14 years ago

    It appears that some of these Mothers are living thier lives through thier kids. It looks Wrong It Looks Sad And the kids just need to be kids your only a child for so long and i think we would all go back and have that time again if we could

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    14 years ago

    Quoting 'ChasingMidnight' | This same little town had a "Little Miss Sunshine" pageant every year for girls across three age groups. The could sing, dance, read something they had written or even bake if they wanted to...anything and no, not a glitzy costume in sight. You could always tell which kids were doing something they liked and which were looking nervously at the parents when the judging start...guess who had probably done the writing or the baking, and the singing well what can I say. | It was a lot of fun for the whole community, and the three little girls that won each year were almost always the ones that you would have wanted as your own daughter if you had one...they were just that darn cute. |This 'Little Miss Sunshine" event .. you clearly say there was not a glitzy costume insite .. does that also include the inappropriate adult style outfits, the inappropriate adult style make up. hair doos including extensions and wig.NO massive entry fee paid I recond there was not the TV cameras, the magazines and the international coverage either .. Thus a very distinct difference between what might have been an innocent local childrens fancy dress day .... AND an INTERNATIONAL EXPLOYTATION EVENT Being the mother of 3 boys and 2 girls .. i allowed my children to play fun games in dressing up at home with friends and at preschool .. which WAS NOT on National and International TV ... were my children cute and pretty ... Yes i consider they were .. one of whom is now walking the catwalk with Miranda Kerr and the MYERS fashion parades .. but she is old enough at nearly 19 to chose to do that on her own ... there is NO way I or she would have been doing that at 6y/o AS Fionabee said "Now we all remember Jon-Bennet Ramsey dont we? " .... if you dont .. then Google her name ..

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    14 years ago

    In a sleepy little coastal town of about 5000 and a background in farming and timber...glamour was a new gingham dress and a high fashion hair do meant pony tails. A couple of the judges rocked up wearing their Sunday best overalls...nobody else had the courage to taste the baked goods. Simply an alternative consideration of events that are held around the world everywhere from county fairs to Sunday schools. Kids having fun and competing on some level and often driven more by the parents ambitions that what they really wanted...a bit of fun. I'm wasn't even trying to get into the discussion of an extreme example, or a few...those are simply abusive and no one supports that. However, I don't think you can categorically say that 100% of anything can be painted with the same brush and rubber stamped as wrong. You can I guess...but then you are painting yourself with a pretty bad brush too. Even a casual reference to a film title can get some folks feathers all ruffled up...oh well.|"Little Miss Sunshine" ...is a 2006 American comedy-drama film, the road movie's plot follows a family's trip to a children's beauty pageant. The film received critical acclaim, nominated for four Academy Awards, including Best Picture, and won two: Best Original Screenplay for Michael Arndt and Best Supporting Actor for Alan Arkin. It also won the Independent Spirit Award for Best Feature and received numerous other accolades.|The pageant aspect at the end was nearly the antithesis of the entire movie...more about a dysfunctional family, the journey and a surprise ending. |Arndt developed his script lampooning the thought process: "And I thought there's something so wrong with that attitude ... I wanted to ... attack that idea that in life you're going up or you're going down ... So to a degree a child beauty pageant is the epitome of the ultimate stupid meaningless competition people put themselves through." Co-director Jonathan Dayton also commented on the importance of the pageant to the film: "As far as the pageant goes, it was very important to us that the film not be about pageants. It's about being out of place, it's about not knowing where you're going to end up." This anecdotal information about the movie has been gathered from the 'net. |Don't need to how the "War of the Roses" will end...I saw that movie too.

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    14 years ago

    I'll say it again... it should be fun but only if the parents involved make it so. That means.... funny business... not very serious business. Like in physsie for toddlers for example, where team events are the go. I mean, sensible parenting.. that's what is required. No more, no less. Who said these gorgeous lil monsters need to be judged on looks and appearance? Maybe they're judged on their talent for example! Maybe they're judged on their cartwheels this week... and their fingernails next week. I mean, what is needed is a holistic view of the overall vibe... little kids socialising in some way... and somewhat independently, at their own volition.... can't be bad... even if their make up is horrid this week.HugsStalkyQuoting 'Snowshoe' Quoting 'Meeka100'Why not pageants, because this is not a game, it is serious business and these pageants perpetuate the idea that girls and women can and should be judged on their looks and their appearance.I agree all the way. Imagine if they had pageants for boys, with them parading around striking sexually suggestive poses? I don't know about anyone else, but it would feel more than slightly sick to me. Given that women are arguably more vulnerable to body image issues as it is, it seems mad to plant those ideals on purpose and at a young age... or ever.

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    14 years ago

    Quoting 'stalky' Who said these gorgeous lil monsters need to be judged on looks and appearance? Maybe they're judged on their talent for example! Maybe they're judged on their cartwheels this week... and their fingernails next week. I mean, what is needed is a holistic view of the overall vibe... little kids socialising in some way... and somewhat independently, at their own volition.... can't be bad... even if their make up is horrid this week. Call me crazy, but I think that judging based on looks and appearance is kind of fundamental to a beauty pageant. As I understand it they do also have a talent segment, which I’m sure is a lot of fun – after all, whoever gets tired of seeing a six year old Marilyn breathlessly singing ‘Happy Birthday Mister President’?Judging cartwheels and fingernails, kids socialising independently and on their own terms sounds like a great time. I always found that a sunny day, a couple of calls, a ball and a walk over to the park was all that was needed to achieve that. It didn’t ever occur to me to sexualise her by spray-painting her with make-up, vaselining her teeth and telling her that she had to be prettier than the other girls. Maybe she would have liked it, but she was no more likely to find that out than to find out whether she liked smoking cigarettes.

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    14 years ago

    See... maybe you should just sit still for a minute and let your daughter put make up on your face for a while. Sure you will look like a fucking idiot but your kids are going to love it. We've had pool parties here where all the kids got to make their own outfits out of paper with sticky tape, feathers, feather bowas, then apply makeup... then parade in front of each other... with prizes... that entertained them for well over an hour ... then they all went and jumped in the pool to wash it all off. I can assue you that they all had fun... there were a few pop star impersonators with all the moves... and everybody laughed. really, I do not see the issue so long as the right attitude from supervising adults is involved.I'm thinking of doing a similar event with leather, latex and tartan for an adults only parade. :p I'm going to have to buy a new coffee table though.. the last one got hammered with ... err break dancing or moon walking... I can;t remember which..HUgsStalky Quoting 'Snowshoe' Call me crazy, but I think that judging based on looks and appearance is kind of fundamental to a beauty pageant. As I understand it they do also have a talent segment, which I’m sure is a lot of fun – after all, whoever gets tired of seeing a six year old Marilyn breathlessly singing ‘Happy Birthday Mister President’?Judging cartwheels and fingernails, kids socialising independently and on their own terms sounds like a great time. I always found that a sunny day, a couple of calls, a ball and a walk over to the park was all that was needed to achieve that. It didn’t ever occur to me to sexualise her by spray-painting her with make-up, vaselining her teeth and telling her that she had to be prettier than the other girls. Maybe she would have liked it, but she was no more likely to find that out than to find out whether she liked smoking cigarettes.

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    14 years ago

    Quoting 'stalky'See... maybe you should just sit still for a minute and let your daughter put make up on your face for a while. Sure you will look like a fucking idiot but your kids are going to love it. We've had pool parties here where all the kids got to make their own outfits out of paper with sticky tape, feathers, feather bowas, then apply makeup... then parade in front of each other... with prizes... that entertained them for well over an hour ... then they all went and jumped in the pool to wash it all off. I can assue you that they all had fun... there were a few pop star impersonators with all the moves... and everybody laughed. really, I do not see the issue so long as the right attitude from supervising adults is involved.Put make-up on my face? The parent who hasn't been there has no sense of humour. I've also had my daughter cut mohawks into my hair with the trimmers and experiment while removing my beard, starting at muttonchops and gradually progressing down to a Hitler moustache. All good fun...The difference between your pool party and a pageant is the fact that the latter is a competition. You had prizes at the pool party, but of course everyone got something, right? At a pageant, there are at least three motivators that make them insidious - the first is the parent living vicariously through the child, the second is the parent's desire to instil self-confidence in their child by winning and the third is the natural protectiveness we feel for our own kids, even if that's at the expense of other's kids. Combined, they're volatile.You're quite right that it's the parent's attitude that makes the difference, but a competitive environment has the potential to turn the nicest parent feral. Surely you'd agree that the pageant environment facilitates bad behaviour in a way that your pool parties never would have?

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    14 years ago

    Quoting 'Newy_Bloke'In my opinion the way pageants are now are just encouraging sickos, If you want to have beauty pageants for girls of a young age there should be limits like no cosmetics of any kind that includes hair extentions, fake eyelashes and veneers as well as age appropriate clothing Seems kinda pointless if the only effort the contestants have to go to is wack on a fresh Dora the Explorer tracksuit... That's not a beauty pageant - it's a birthday party. I think sensible limits should apply, like say no more than 2 Litres of fake tan and make up. It's not hard - you just weigh them 'dry' and then 'wet'. It gets done all the time in horse racing and motorsport. . As for the poor little 10yr old girl dressed up in a leopard skin - well that's just plain wrong - that sort of shit should be confined to it's natural habitat... Over28's nights at outer-suburban 'nightclubs'.

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    14 years ago

    The term "Exploitation" comes to mind....Children are the innocence of the world and should be protected thus. . "Childhood is measured out by sounds and smells and sights and feeling, before the dark hour of reason grows" . John Betjeman

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    14 years ago

    ...Hamlet would have said:   "There is nothing either good nor bad but thinking makes it so"

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    14 years ago

    It is a rape of there innocence completely.Imagine starting to worry about your looks at the age of 5 or 6!!! They will totally loose out on developing themselves as individuals. I personally would not put a child of mine in2 something like that, I would not want to enforce body image issues on her until it starts to happen much later in life, let them enjoy they're childhood b4 parading in a clown suit with make up at the age of 5 !!!