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The times they are a changin' ....really?
March 15 2011
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RHP User
15 years ago
Maturity reaches most of us in the mid thirties to forties and not much earlier. We become more aware of the mess we as an entire species have made of things. Those of us with children start to wonder what will be left when our grandkids are adults. Most of it is all relative though. A little chinese peasant in the field is happy with his bowl of rice a day. All of a sudden the ducks are laying and he feels like he is extremely wealthy as his family now have duck eggs to add to thier meager diet. He sits on his verandah in the evenings quite content with his lot in life. As a society we do live a life of excess and I am constantly battling this with the kids when they tell me they need something. I point out the things that they do actually need and then make them use the word want. I then let them know that what they want and what they are gonna get are two different things. It was over 20 years ago when I first became aware of the difference between organics and mass produced. To this day I recycle, reduce my carbon imprint and grow as much of my food as I can. I am not a fanatical greeny but I do like my running hot water and electricity. I also want to ensure that these things are around for a long time to come.
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RHP User
15 years ago
So far I’ve gotten that plastic surgery is for self centred silly people, the money could be used to instead stop raging wars?! People in less fortunate countries 'seem more liberated' I don’t see that with the poor health care available and the high rates of disease. Not to mention so few opportunities’ available to these’ liberated’ people to get an education and better job oppourtunities to afford a higher standard of living. Is it if we all recycle or only buy little Jimmy one toy for xmas instead of a few, then that should solve our global limited resource problems, coupled with the huge population growth?! I am soooo confused... What exactly this forum is trying to point out? I think the comments so far maybe gross generalisations. Puppy are you suggesting that we all live in a global communist regime where people are treated equal regardless of education, and what you do for a living, where the world’s wealth and resources are distributed equally to everyone? I am not sure people would be too happy to give up our current freedem and our market place where we have a choice in available goods and services that are supplied due to what we actually want and demand. Puppy and GirlTuesday, you two may not be in the market for a nip and a tuck (but like you mentioned you maybe in the market for cars or say holidays, new homes, new technologies, whatever can be bought etc etc subscriptions to RHP, a laptop, an internet account, and electricity account etc). But plastic surgery is not a legitimate service to spend money on? This might be your opinion, and that is fine. But other people are entitled to a different one, doesn’t mean it is wrong? For them this service can maybe improve their self esteem more than a new wardrobe of equal value (shame on Channel, D&G and the whole fashion industry for the way they charge! High end labels could choose to only recover the cost of each fashion item for a month, then donate the other few thousand dollars per item to Japan relief, one month should do it) or a self defence course/ build your self esteem and confidence courses, or that eternity 10k diamond ring! Or if you were in glamour modelling or porn, a huge set of norks seems to increases your job opportunities’, so u could consider it an investment into your future career prospects! Then there are situations such as the two girl friends i had and botht at age 15, both had breast reductions as they were tiny girls and their boobs grew so big that they both look stupidly out of proportion, and then they also suffered back/neck/shoulder pain lugging them around, not to mention the unwanted attention in the school yard. Another friend in year 5, a beautiful smart girl, had the WORST flapper ears I have EVER seen, and of course she was not known for her beauty, brains and lovely personality around the school yard, instead she was called ‘Flapper.’ Then there was the ski jump nose girl and the Roman nose bump girl, they had surgery too, the roman nose is covered under Medicare too, there are absolutely no issues around health having a bump at the top of your nose either... I was on one of the plastic surgery forums and I do not believe anyone there was self centred, nor looking for silly ways to spend their money. Many woman post babies, like myself ended up with a completely different body to what you started with, nature can be cruel! My boobs grew 3 sizes bigger, and only went back one size, so i have nearly two neck/shoulder/back massages a week coz the damm things are so heavy, i gave up breastfeeding at 6 months coz i just couldn’t endure the weight of them full of milk! Then on the otherside of the pregnancy coin there is my girlfriend, she has had two kids so far, her beautiful boobs (she is Swedish and topless bathing was totally normal, but not anymore...) her boobs are already resembling raisins, and after the two more she wants, she is totally considering getting some work done, after four children in you 30s boobs, belly and other parts of your new rearranged body can affect how u feel about yourselves, your esteem and happiness. A lot of woman need to get their career sorted first these days, so they are having babies later and later and it really takes a toll on a body that isn’t as elastic as mum in her teens or 20s, which is the age that the body is designed to carry a baby. Plus in our thriving industry of technology and media, a lot of the population earn a living now in the very critical public eye and their looks can be a huge variable in their employment, there are not a lot of people in those industries that wouldn’t feel the pressure to be the best they can be for their employment, as that is now part of your ‘resume’. There aren't many ugly daggy pop stars, and i don’t see many models with deep aging lines, blemished skin and hair moles on their face with saggy boobs on the cover of mags etc, or news readers with flapper ears and/or ski jump noses either (these types of peole are all on radio! kidding...). So tell me what is excessive?What isn’t in our western world after a bunch of years slogging your guts out at maccas, while you are at uni paying higher fees every year, you then finally get that career you have been working towards, and people look down on you for spoiling yourself, with a holiday, car, house, corrective surgery etc? Should everyone be forced to maybe give a percentage of their income to a charity, or a 3rd world country or green initiatives or be forced to work for not for profit/charity orgs for a year of their career?
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RHP User
15 years ago
Mr Pup - I'm the same! Except I'm actively planning my drop out and retreat. End of the year I will have my land, then following that the next couple of years will be working and spending all other free time building my mud brick (or straw bale, I haven't decided yet) house, with recylcing and waste systems, and setting up vege patches and an orchard with an aim to be as self-sustainable as possible. if I find some willing people to help me with my dream (this is where it gets really hippy) I'd love to build a little community - happy to have people build their own houses on my land too - provided we all have similar goals and ideas in mind about how we should live and treat the world.I think society is completely fucked up. Everything is about money and looks and superficial stuff. Creating superannuation was a genius stroke by the government, not only does it enable retirees to support themselves, but it means that mum & dad investors are now involved in the share market, and they want to see profits and dividends above all else. This means accepting outrageous bank fees and spiraling costs for everything. It means we love the industries that destroy the environment, it means we'd rather say "nuclear power is safe" rather than invest in developing renewable energy resources/harvesting. Water doesn't initiall come from a tap. Milk, eggs, meat - they don't come in nice packaging from a supermarket. the plastic disposable things we fill our lives with - they originally come from the same holes in the ground as the stuff we pump into our cars and drive everywhere in.Saying all the above, the decisions others make with how they live their lives, are up to them. At the moment society needs people to consume, be it beer, or cheese, or ice cream, cosmetic surgery or expensive diets plans. This is so other people can work making those things, selling those things, moving those things, insuring those things and lending other people money to buy those things. I'm turning away from capitalism but happy for it to exist as it is at the moment because it does keep society structured and ordered. I have anarchist leanings, but I think there are too many people around for such a thing to work. Ever the realist, but dreaming of the day I can drop out.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Sorrounded by blonde hair , boobs, tans and mining money. I went to the horsebeach in Kwinana when I was there last, and there is a massive plant there claimed to be a desalination plant but I suspect it's actually a government funded project to keep the supply of peroxide to WA reliable. Ahhh heaven. . Personally I think it's the yoof of today. There has always been pressure to 'show wealth' to attract a partner, and the best way to do that is to consume. I mean look how many 'P' platers are driving around in brand new cars and have a 42" plasma that barely fits in their room. The bar is set much higher to stand out. For whatever reason you would feel insecure having to pick up your date in your mums 1982 Camira or having friends over to watch tele in your room on a 34cm screen. Of course the difference is that it's also getting cheaper to consume, so we can buy more junk for less. Thanks China!! . As for cosmetic surgery.. oh that's a topic on it's own, but it's the same the bar of perfection is higher.. why put up with small breasts when you can have big ones. Why have your face muscles move when you can freeze them. And what happens when these people have kids. I mean mummy's got massive awesome gravity defying breasts, while daughter Betty is born with genes to provide nothing more than an A cup. Of course fashion shifts... and I suspect small petite breasts will become so rare that they will be the ultimate accessory. Ebay will be chockas with 'used' silicone breast implants! The irony is that it's not a perfect breast that makes you want to have that persons belly pressed against yours every morning... . PS - Try the pork ribs at the Trigg Beach Cafe if you're that way inclined!! Nothing like perving while your hands and lips are covered in barbeque sauce. Smear some on Mrs Pups breasts for me, just.. well.. cause you can
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RHP User
15 years ago
I don't care what you say pups... I'm still buying a new Trumpy first chance I get. :pSeriously, the natural disaster stuff going on lately is horrific and unmanageable. Could it be that our excessive lifestyles has contributed to the cause? I now doubt it. The third rock from the sun has been here a lot longer than we have. Maybe it's been here before.. you know... like a dog with fleas, it just shakes a few off every now and again... and all we can do is hang on to each other as tight as possible.HugsS
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RHP User
15 years ago
Ohhhh all great replies so far and here I was thinking I was just moving into premature Grumpy Old Man syndrome!Stalky, I know a Trumpy would make you oh so happy so yes you should have it but why a new one? Aren't the old ones better anyway and by snagging an old one you are reducing your carbon footprint by not necessitating the need for the whole manufacturing process. See all us caring types go out and buy new hybrids or diesels but really what is the total effect of manufacturing all this new stuff compared to utilising the slightly less efficient old stuff? Yes I love cars and won't give up my reasonably sized flat screen tv as I love watching Top Gear and dreaming about driving all those flash cars. Hey I've even worked myself into a position where I could buy one but I desist as I just can't warrant wasting so much money when there are people so less fortunate than me out there. I once put a little clause on my auto desires than if I spent over 200K on a car I had to first give the same amount to charity and I just am not in that league! This helped calm the desire but these days the desire isn't there, sure I still appreciate and want them but I'm oh so happy with the couple of old classics I have and they give a better driving experience than any new car anyway - although sometimes I'd kill for aircon!Jean, you maybe spot on although it seems WA is blessed with a whole lot of natural beauty. Us Pups are feeling decidedly ugly over here and maybe subconsciously feeling we need a bit of whole body plastic surgery to keep up to date! Oh don't start me on the absurdity of paying people shitloads to rape the earth then burn their money as fast as they can dig it out of the ground!!!!Polar, I do hope you invite us to see your little world. It's a fanciful idea but definitely one worth having a go at!GirlTue yes the youth of today are fucked up but then again the youth of everyone's day were always fucked up. Surely they get their cues from the adults so surely we're to blame?FeeBee - woohoo we finally agree on something I'm sure there's plenty more we would agree on too and plenty more to ruffle each others feathers I dare say. I too am far from a fanatical greenie but glad they exist as even though they really should don suits and present themselves better to the media we do need some resistance to the big downhill slide we're hurtling down. You bring up a great point, FOOD. The most basic of needs. Forget about cars, motor bikes and boob jobs, the provision of food to the masses might possibly be the largest environmental disaster we face. Let's build all our McMansions on the most fertile land we have so we have no farm land left near our cities to provide fresh food, no worries as we can get it all mass produced overseas and shipped in, fook we're smart!Boobs, oh a little exaggeration makes for a fun read. I tend to do a bit of it myself! Oh hang on I think I'm going to try and be tricky here......
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RHP User
15 years ago
...Oh this should be easier...Quoting 'BoobaliciousFG' So far I’ve gotten that plastic surgery is for self centred silly people, the money could be used to instead stop raging wars?! ...Noooo not ALL, great plastic surgery is done on people with great deformities - I'm not talking saggy boobs here, more like syndromes with half their face missing kind a shit. No money wont stop wars but being more concerned about what's happening around the world than with how our boobs look might mean we put more pressure on governments to prevent them???People in less fortunate countries 'seem more liberated' I don’t see that with the poor health care available and the high rates of disease. Not to mention so few opportunities’ available to these’ liberated’ people to get an education and better job oppourtunities to afford a higher standard of living. ...nah they are not more liberated, it is us that should be more liberated and live our fortunate lives in a more ethical manner???Is it if we all recycle or only buy little Jimmy one toy for xmas instead of a few, then that should solve our global limited resource problems, coupled with the huge population growth?! I am soooo confused... What exactly this forum is trying to point out? ...well it would be a start wouldn't it? I have a very successful friend who buys his kids clothes and toys from Vinnies, not to be a cheapskate but why manufacture tonnes of new baby clothes when most could look brand new after the 5th child outgrows them and what little boy hasn't dismantled any toy within 5 minutes of getting it so does it matter if a bit is broken when he first gets it? I think the comments so far maybe gross generalisations. Puppy are you suggesting that we all live in a global communist regime where people are treated equal regardless of education, and what you do for a living, where the world’s wealth and resources are distributed equally to everyone? ...Now you know you're exaggerating here, as I said I do like my fortunate life and like to have a few pleasures all of my own but I do worry about falling in the consumer pit and think about how I can balance things out. Not that I'm an expert on it but counties like Sweden have high taxes and less wage differences but provide all healthcare and education to the masses. I'm sure it's not perfect but seems like a step in the right direction?I am not sure people would be too happy to give up our current freedem and our market place where we have a choice in available goods and services that are supplied due to what we actually want and demand....of course they wouldn't as "people" just don't give a shit about how much damage having every goodie and service available at a convenience store just down the road actually does! Puppy and GirlTuesday, you two may not be in the market for a nip and a tuck (but like you mentioned you maybe in the market for cars or say holidays, new homes, new technologies, whatever can be bought etc etc subscriptions to RHP, a laptop, an internet account, and electricity account etc). But plastic surgery is not a legitimate service to spend money on? This might be your opinion, and that is fine. But other people are entitled to a different one, doesn’t mean it is wrong? ...you are right but I am more having a dig at our need to undergo needless surgery purely for vanity's sake - every surgery takes up hospital time that could be used for more important people, you know the ones that are say dying and stuff!!! Now maybe frivolous surgeries could give hospital coffers an injection but I have a suspicion that the profits go into the pockets of the surgeons and there would be a residual cost borne by the tax payer???For them this service can maybe improve their self esteem...exactly my point, how wrong is it that anyone has to feel they need to be cut up as they are not worthy of respect unless they look like someone else!!!!!!! more than a new wardrobe of equal value (shame on Channel, D&G and the whole fashion industry for the way they charge! High end labels could choose to only recover the cost of each fashion item for a month, then donate the other few thousand dollars per item to Japan relief, one month should do it) or a self defence course/ build your self esteem and confidence courses, or that eternity 10k diamond ring! ...again yep you're on the right track here...see how easy this ethical society is able to be achieved?Or if you were in glamour modelling or porn, a huge set of norks seems to increases your job opportunities’, so u could consider it an investment into your future career prospects!...maybe valid Then there are situations such as the two girl friends i had and botht at age 15, both had breast reductions as they were tiny girls and their boobs grew so big that they both look stupidly out of proportion, and then they also suffered back/neck/shoulder pain lugging them around, not to mention the unwanted attention in the school yard. Another friend in year 5, a beautiful smart girl, had the WORST flapper ears I have EVER seen, and of course she was not known for her beauty, brains and lovely personality around the school yard, instead she was called ‘Flapper.’ Then there was the ski jump nose girl and the Roman nose bump girl, they had surgery too, the roman nose is covered under Medicare too, there are absolutely no issues around health having a bump at the top of your nose either......yes there are times that even the simple boob job can be warranted as a health issue, whether due to breaking backs or a deep emotional issue BUT how many women with boob jobs had a mandatory psych assessment to see if it were indeed necessary? It's a pity that just a nice strong nose is covered under medicare but someone with no teeth has to eat with gums. Again I''m talking about needless surgery, I have a lot of friends considering and a few that have had a boob job and ALL of them have nice boobs (i've seen most in the flesh ). I just think it's so sad that they feel they need to change the beautiful body they were given. Now I know motherhood changes things and a few it ravages severely, again surgery is likely an option to consider. But now we have teenagers lining up for boob jobs just to get bigger boobs..shit if a 17 year old girl can't be happy with her boobs at 17 then she's in for a lifetime of self doubt and pain!!!! I was on one of the plastic surgery forums and I do not believe anyone there was self centred, nor looking for silly ways to spend their money. Many woman post babies, like myself ended up with a completely different body to what you started with, nature can be cruel! ...it can be, some people are born deformed in such a way that they become social outcasts....in OUR world people are starting to become social outcasts because at 40 years of age they don't look like they are 20 any more!My boobs grew 3 sizes bigger, and only went back one size, so i have nearly two neck/shoulder/back massages a week coz the damm things are so heavy, i gave up breastfeeding at 6 months coz i just couldn’t endure the weight of them full of milk! Then on the otherside of the pregnancy coin there is my girlfriend, she has had two kids so far, her beautiful boobs (she is Swedish and topless bathing was totally normal, but not anymore...) her boobs are already resembling raisins, and after the two more she wants, she is totally considering getting some work done, after four children in you 30s boobs, belly and other parts of your new rearranged body can affect how u feel about yourselves, your esteem and happiness....I understand this and know Mrs Pup has the same fears. Wouldn't it be nice if our society valued its Mothers, put them on a pedestal instead of the hot, skinny, blonde 40yo that looks like she's 20? A lot of woman need to get their career sorted first these days, so they are having babies later and later and it really takes a toll on a body that isn’t as elastic as mum in her teens or 20s, which is the age that the body is designed to carry a baby....again the Pups are in this boat arrghhhH!!!! Plus in our thriving industry of technology and media, a lot of the population earn a living now in the very critical public eye and their looks can be a huge variable in their employment, there are not a lot of people in those industries that wouldn’t feel the pressure to be the best they can be for their employment, as that is now part of your ‘resume’. ...again agreed and what a pity!There aren't many ugly daggy pop stars, and i don’t see many models with deep aging lines, blemished skin and hair moles on their face with saggy boobs on the cover of mags etc, or news readers with flapper ears and/or ski jump noses either (these types of peole are all on radio! kidding...)....how quickly we have sunk into stupidity, look at the pop stars of the 50's, 60's, 70's, and even 80's - my god there are some uglies in there. Oh yes we are moving in the right direction when our musicians need no talent or our reporters no intelligence all they need is to look good! So tell me what is excessive?...you've answered this question adequately yourselfWhat isn’t in our western world after a bunch of years slogging your guts out at maccas, while you are at uni paying higher fees every year, you then finally get that career you have been working towards, and people look down on you for spoiling yourself, with a holiday, car, house, corrective surgery etc? ...Everyone should spoil themselves a little but to what extent? Just because someone CAN do something does it mean they SHOULD? A few people out there slog just as hard but choose thankless (and financially poor) careers that help people in true need. Do they not have the right to look down their roman nose at us just a little bit?Should everyone be forced to maybe give a percentage of their income to a charity, ...YES or a 3rd world country ...YES or green initiatives...YES or be forced to work for not for profit/charity orgs for a year of their career? ...OH DEFINITELY YES!!! I said on another forum, anyone deemed to be choosing to go under surgery for vanity issues should have to work in a hospital in a developing country for just a week or two, I still have a little faith in humanity that they would come back with a different view!!Now Boobs come over here and let me have a squeeze xxxx
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'puppy' Ohhhh all great replies so far and here I was thinking I was just moving into premature Grumpy Old Man syndrome!Stalky, I know a Trumpy would make you oh so happy so yes you should have it but why a new one? Aren't the old ones better anyway and by snagging an old one you are reducing your carbon footprint by not necessitating the need for the whole manufacturing process. SSure there's some very beautiful old thumpers around I wouldn't mind owning... but I'm pretty keen on the 2011 Speed triple with its revised performance enhancements to the 1050 motor and ABS brakes, plus a full two year warrantee.... I mean to say... otherwise I'd keep my existing 2009 Street triple which is a delightful bike even without abs brakes. Of course, I could walk and catch public transport.. but I'm not a martyr for the cause... going on trains dressed in nothing but a pair of nipple tassles and some mesh boxers can be life seriously threatening! ... No, I made a lifestyle choice a little while back and my carbon footprint has dramatically reduced now that I leave the car in the garage.... trade for trade on the new bikes, I'm still in front by not using the car, I think... and why shouldn't someone enjoy my "old" trumpy as much as I have?HugsS
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RHP User
15 years ago
Come on Pup... Words can not describe what is going on in todays world..Nature takes it's course as do bullies in school yard or a dickhead at the local.. The way we behave or grow is in our control.. We may make light of the fun we have here but the release we get in having fun with nice people keeps our head space right to go forward with a positive mind.. So party at 1101 ...!!
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RHP User
15 years ago
Well you certainly could pull off the hippy look Stalky...get a haircut you long haired git you!!!! ha only jokes you're a sexy man!
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RHP User
15 years ago
Man I nearly quit writing this soooooooooooo many times (when u see how long it is, u and everyone would wish I got myself another hobby/life/spent the time helping sick kids/open a soup kitchen for the homeless and did stop this tidal wave of soooooo many words, I am thinking it might’ve been for the best too), but I just kept coming back to it…ova and ova and ova and ova and ova and ova and ova, I have a headache now and I don’t think I have gained much more clarity either :( So I am wondering if this will even get published after how much time I spent! Maybe I’ll win a prize 4 longest post eva (or get a warning to NOT do it again), or could only get 1/10th published due to size limits or putting people into comas (the people that have to look at it b4 it is published) or cause them RSI from having to arrow down so much! Even if no one reads this, I’ll finish it anyway, least that way I’ll never want to talk about these issues eva again!! Out of my system, GONE! So I guess this is round two of our ‘debate’’? BTW we are actually on the same side I think, but my expectations aren’t very high. I can’t help but think the way the world is going, we just don’t have much of chance of catching up just with all these ‘little’ changes everyone bangs on about these days…(I’d love to be wrong?) When I think of ‘Go Green!’ and ‘Ethics’ I believe there is awareness now where there wasn’t so much b4, but it feels more like a trend a the moment, and that is everyone is talking the talk, but the walk so far seems to me to tiny baby steps. Just awareness and small initiatives won’t help us catch our population growth in time b4 our limited resources start depleting … (I have never eva talked politics b4 in my life, done my best to avoid it actually? Maybe I have a mild case of old grumpy syndrome too?!! ). Puppy, if you could get elected as head of the/a global political power for a few terms, then maybe we’d have a chance? But history shows that us humans are willing to kill one another to reclaim a larger piece of … land, power, oil , money, man, woman, diamonds, drugs, pure race, woteva… etc? Plus now some companies seem to be taking ova the world, everywhere u look, same franchise, no variety, nearly impossible to crack into a market and have a chance to compete against this big guys.. I feel one day our global village will end up with just a few big players controlling everything, scary…. I work at a utility, some stats: in WA between 1996 and 2006 our population grew at an average rate of 1.7%, the residential consumption per capita increase at an ave annual rate of 2.7% and the total power consumed was an increase of 5% per year! Wind farms do not supply much electricity and upset people when they start taking up too much of coast line for little benefit. There is nonstop education and initiatives to try and get people to reduce their consumption, but it doesn’t look like we are going to give up many of our current plug in products, we are all aware of when building a house now, the amount of power points people need is fuck loads! Especially in the popular Mc.Mansions popping up everywhere, where the 2 people living in them can’t ever find each other, until they get that intercom system that ‘just had to be installed’ And then they decide to close up half of the house as they are sick of having to clean it, cool it, heat it, have to walk to so many rooms to find something etc but they need it, for the annual party or rellie bash… (oh and to look well to do). But business is the main oinker, hard to run a business if you’re not plugged in! In the last 18 months (after a year on maternity leave b4 then) Info and talk has significantly increased around sustainability, green initiatives, use less energy, less water, create less waste, eat organic, do exercise, catch public transport, work more, be home with your child more, but still make more money, treat your work place like u would your own company but have no power to do anything except suggest, give to charity, volunteer for charity, don’t consume too much, but can’t live without x, y z….! Keep up with current affairs and news, don’t watch it as it is fear mongering and adds to mental health issues?! Plus this week this will prevent cancer, next week it will give u cancer….Some days I really don’t know what I should be striving for, what to think and what to believe? But I do know that I want freedom, independence and options available that I have the right to decide if it is for me or not. Plus I believe if u are excessive, then it just complicates and clutters your life and you pay for it one way or another. But my excessive may not be your excessive or vice versa, not your right or mine to judge the other to the point of saying that they shouldn’t do that (when it isn’t causing any harm to anything or anyone). The energy retailer in WA had a metering trial a couple years ago where they came round and put a smart meter on my house to help me use power at off peak times, and I guess make me aware of how I used energy and how to reduce it blah blah…. The project never got far enough in the trial to see any results… the project ran for a couple years, budget over ran by a few million so the Minister decided to shut down the project, tax payers money well spent eh? My city council recently had me on a year go green trial by invitation, I didn’t have to do it, measuring and comparing all my energy and water and waste etc month to month, and how to reduce it all, they rang me every month to talk about energy saving, quick showers, wear jumpers in winter instead of heating, went on and on, power everything down every day when leaving the house, buy energy smart white goods and appliances, it went on….Initially it seemed like a great idea, but then I realized, the changes I could/would make weren’t gonna add up to very much and it started to make me feel bad, I’d ignore their calls, but MY GOD, they rang SOOO many times that I had to talk to them to make the calls stop… as I couldn’t afford to chuck all my energy consuming household things out, to replace with energy smart stuff, new water tank, sun energy thing on the roof, new light fittings all thru the house, catch public transport instead of driving, buy stuff that isn’t in packaging? So in effect to achieve a green household I might as well revert back to my student days, only the need for a pot, stove and 2 minute noodles for food as that was pretty much my diet back then… Not sure that is good parenting to feed the toddler fried noodles every day and have nothing in the house for stimulation and not ever go out and spend money coz we might leave too much of a footprint consuming? I’d have plenty of unused powerpoints too as I owned next to no technology back then except a CD player, no heating, cooling, dishwasher, dryer, 4wd, computers, foxtel, hard drives, tv’s, dvd players, kitchen appliances, electric cooling and heating, reticulation, bath for baby every day (lotsa water) plus filling and emptying a kiddy pool every day of summer 6 feet wide and 2 or 3 up…. I didn’t even have a washing machine,! So now I have tonnes of spare time to see if public transport can get me and my toddler to 10 different places in a day to get the necessary goods and services a house needs to run, now go to a Laundromat, shopping – groceries, clothes, housey stuff and I put all the stuff where, when I am needing to go to a tonne of places, how do I carry it all? Cooking and cleaning with only organic products with no packaging, working, play dates, powering down my pre-programmed everything to not work automatically now, so all conveniences GONE!! Have some semblance of social life, but not excessive, think of those poor people that work 7 days a week for nothing… ramble ramble At work we have new measures in place to produce less waste (they took everyone’s bin away and now provide even smaller ones to a group of 6, then u have to get up and walk to the big bins for recycle, food scraps and general waste bins. We are encouraged to print black and white where possible and double sided r all printer defaults. Turning the aircon off one day in summer when a power station was on fire up north, CEO didn’t make that mistake a second time, most people left and the computer room was so hot it coulda crashed the corporate systems, which coulda led to power outages due to no one knowing where the faults were! I am a little disturbed wondering why I have so much to say on this topic… Then I realized what the reason might be?! I have a toddler and as a parent I obviously wonder what her life is going to be like and it freaks me out, like it would most parents I guess? I have such a conflicted view at the moment, my parents were all work work work, must not have u and your kids struggle like we did growing up, we were hungry, cold, not educated etc etc But things are VERY far removed from growing up coming out of the great depression and WWII. Their focus was making ends meet and increasing their standard of living so they wouldn’t have to go without ever again. Now things seemed to have gone too far the other way! In the western world the kids of today aren’t starving, they are instead becoming under nourished fat bastard junk food eating, media driven, lazy shits, saying give me, give me, give me (well that is what I am told anyway), no respect for anyone or anything, if u you try to discipline them they call an abuse hotline and say they are being abused, they have too much information at their finger tips and are too immature to process it all, then they find an emo forum and blogg how cool suicide is or join the anorexia size less than zero club, for tips on how to get so skinny that u die b4 u hit 20 etc I am hoping here that parent could stop them from such things or finding, paying and having surgery just coz sally did, I believe a parent has a job to do until their ‘kid’ grows a mature brain at least…But there are a lot of out of control teens out there, and home schooling will just make them a freaky social leper, so what to do…? Tell my kid to go join a hippy commune in a small country town and never go to the big bad capitalist city, or encourage her to a career path, but ton not conform and compromise her beliefs (in a society that wants you to jump thru a lot of hoops to belong and be accepted) and as a consequence have issues within fitting in to society. Or just suppress your real self and start the baa baa to not stick out and disadvantage yourself. So far I’ve gotten that plastic surgery is for self cantered silly people, the money could be used to instead stop raging wars?! ...Noooo not ALL, great plastic surgery is done on people with great deformities - I'm not talking saggy boobs here, more like syndromes with half their face missing kind a shit. No money wont stop wars but being more concerned about what's happening around the world than with how our boobs look might mean we put more pressure on governments to prevent them??? Hmmmm… no boob jobs = more concern for other countries = getting governments to not defend their county? Lol now I have heard everything ;) People in less fortunate countries 'seem more liberated' I don’t see that with the poor health care available and the high rates of disease. Not to mention so few opportunities’ available to these’ liberated’ people to get an education and better job oppourtunities to afford a higher standard of living. ...nah they are not more liberated, it is us that should be more liberated and live our fortunate lives in a more ethical manner??? I am all for it, but tell that to the power hungry corrupt people in or at the top of political parties and black market mafia don’s? It is very hard to get accurate stat’s but right back in the late 90s The Economist reported that the world’s GDP was $39 trillion US and almost $9 trillion came from the shadow economy, and it is on the increase. Is it if we all recycle or only buy little Jimmy one toy for xmas instead of a few, then that should solve our global limited resource problems, coupled with the huge population growth?! I am soooo confused... What exactly this forum is trying to point out? ...well it would be a start wouldn't it? I have a very successful friend who buys his kids clothes and toys from Vinnies, not to be a cheapskate but why manufacture tonnes of new baby clothes when most could look brand new after the 5th child outgrows them and what little boy hasn't dismantled any toy within 5 minutes of getting it so does it matter if a bit is broken when he first gets it? When I and my mates were time rich most of our wardrobe and other stuff came from op shops, it was like treasure hunting, it was great fun. Same goes with gum tree. But the busier I get and my mates too, the less time we have to go to places where ‘we might’ find what we need… When I was at home with my bub, I got most of her clothes from a recycled kids store, because I could drop in and spend time and if I didn’t find anything, I could go again on the other 6 days I had with no commitments other than mum. Now I am back at work, even thou the shop emails me when there is new stock and specials on, I want and intend to drop in but I only remember when I am driving by and I am either too busy to stop when I drive by as I am on my way to ‘something’ or they are closed, coz I am coming home from work. Plus if I really need something, then I’ll most likely go to a department store as I just don’t have the time to go back and forth, depending on the type of stock they have at the time. Plus when it comes to toys, your kid can be ostracized at school if they are the few ‘without woteva’, when I was in year 5, everyone who ‘belonged’ HAD to have a cabbage patch kid, we had bloody birthday parties at our homes for the ugly things and those without a cabbage patch were NOT EVER invited. Most of us live in ‘society’ and it is a speedy, crazy, unfair, insane rat race at times, and for many and with that comes social trends u feel like being apart of for a variety of reasons, it is all well and good to be ‘above’ all that, but in an already challenging world, it is hard to make it a point to not fit in. Heck when I was in year one only the kids with vegemite sandwiches could sit with us! Clothes can at least be reused, but wasting food upsets me :( When I lived in the London, all the supermarkets had REALLY yummy fresh ‘ready meals’ with like a 2 or 3 day expiry on them as they were meant to be for bunging in the oven after the ridiculous commute home after work, coz cooking is just not as easy as picking up something that u probably could not match for taste and they were super healthy ones to choose from too and reasonably priced. But b4 store closing every night it was obscene how much food went straight into garbage! So many homeless?? My granny hated food waste so much too, especially going thru the depression and 2 wars in Greece, and having her husband shot in WWII, she had 4 kids to look after with no real income, so she always made them meals with what she could find (and she couldn’t always find, so the kids had to go to orphan schools, all separate ones for some weird reason, not sure the total time of that), for dinner granma wouldn’t have her own plate she would wait to eat their scraps, and I guess kids are fussy regardless…?, coz my mum has mentioned this story, so it must have been years later when things weren’t so tight, when granny went to town one day, she was walking past a shop window, she caught a reflection of a lady’s butt in the window, and she thought, OMG look at the size of that lady’s bum!! She turned to take a look at the person, and there was no one there, it was her OWN butt reflection that she caught in the shop window lol! Ummm a little off topic, but funny! I think the comments so far maybe gross generalisations. Puppy are you suggesting that we all live in a global communist regime where people are treated equal regardless of education, and what you do for a living, where the world’s wealth and resources are distributed equally to everyone? ...Now you know you're exaggerating here, as I said I do like my fortunate life and like to have a few pleasures all of my own but I do worry about falling in the consumer pit and think about how I can balance things out. Not that I'm an expert on it but counties like Sweden have high taxes and less wage differences but provide all healthcare and education to the masses. I'm sure it's not perfect but seems like a step in the right direction? Funny that your example happened to be Sweden, one of my close friends is from Sweden and 4 years ago she moved to Australia as they were offering great benefit highly skilled work visa’s, she told me the perks, but I can’t remember wot they were exactly. But she and a lot of her Swedish mates, who are here, came here due to the fact that skilled workers can’t earn as much back home in Sweden, coz the tax man takes it! She wants four kids, so she wanted to be in the best financial position that she could be, sounds pretty reasonable to me? Plus just say it just so happened that the whole world adopted Sweden’s way, would people then maybe not strive for the top jobs? When they could have a pretty reasonable quality of life in a less stressful job? Would we start to have global skill shortages in certain areas? I like my job, but I accidently ended up in it due to market forces at the time, Y2K, and this IT/Business role paid double any other job I could get outta uni, so I thought, just a few months? I am sooo poor! Over a decade later, stayed coz I ended up liking it! But no way I woulda took the job if it wasn’t for the salary as I never imagined it as a role for me! I am not sure people would be too happy to give up our current freedom and our market place where we have a choice in available goods and services that are supplied due to what we actually want and demand....of course they wouldn't as "people" just don't give a shit about how much damage having every goodie and service available at a convenience store just down the road actually does! Actually I think a lot of people do care, but when it comes to food but certain green/healthy commodities are priced out of their range, fresh, nutritious meals are constantly going up in price and were already so much more expensive than poor quality foods. Healthy foods are harder to find in some regions, Monsivais said. They also tend to require preparation and skill -- another roadblock for some consumers. the gap between the price of healthy and unhealthy food is growing larger, The most nutrient-dense category saw a 30 percent price increase between 2004 and 2008. The price of items in the least healthy category only increased 16 percent. Puppy and GirlTuesday, you two may not be in the market for a nip and a tuck (but like you mentioned you maybe in the market for cars or say holidays, new homes, new technologies, whatever can be bought etc etc subscriptions to RHP, a laptop, an internet account, and electricity account etc). But plastic surgery is not a legitimate service to spend money on? This might be your opinion, and that is fine. But other people are entitled to a different one, doesn’t mean it is wrong? ...you are right but I am more having a dig at our need to undergo needless surgery purely for vanity's sake - every surgery takes up hospital time that could be used for more important people, you know the ones that are say dying and stuff!!! Now maybe frivolous surgeries could give hospital coffers an injection but I have a suspicion that the profits go into the pockets of the surgeons and there would be a residual cost borne by the tax payer??? Vanity these days more than eva, is a commodity, so some see it as an investment for particular careers, therefore there are more people doing it to keep up their employment opportunities, therefore the pressure to look good increases even if it is for nothing other than to just not be left behind! Our public eye is brutal, these forums a brutal. So if there is a pill for it, or a surgery for it, people will weigh up the opportunity cost and for some, they would never say they made the wrong decision Why don’t we try the equation again: Plastic Surgery = increasing a person’s confidence, happiness for either personal, health or career reasons = successful, focused and passionate people = an understanding in what it is like to suffer (somehow, It may not be big for one person, but could be a huge mental issue for another?) and now have the ability to give a little back to help others become happy somehow, pay it forward Even if that sounds like total utter dogs bollix, my main point is (and what I live by), the oxygen mask theory - on an airplane, you must put your own mask on first; otherwise you won't be able to effectively take care of anyone else. I’d like to add, that is with the intend to want to help others, there are always gonna be selfish fuckers in this world that are only ever about themselves and would sit back and let others suffer and just watch! For them this service can maybe improve their self esteem...exactly my point, how wrong is it that anyone has to feel they need to be cut up as they are not worthy of respect unless they look like someone else!!!!!!! When we are young a lot of us get sucked into peer pressure and wag school, shop lift, smoke and drink lotsa booze, then cough and vomit on the policeman that caught us for the shop lifting, fun day out, especially when ya parents ground u for the rest of your life… why did I do it (an example, not’ all’ me, but others at my school)?? That is nothing compared to the gangs we have now and all the weapons they carry AND use… I met a 16 year old that moved to Perth from Rocko to do a chef apprenticeship when I was 23 and I asked why he moved up here to do it, he said because he was sick of going to funerals, he could name more than a dozen school friends that died of heroin overdoses!! Oh and now YOUNG kids are jumping into sex younger and younger… blah blah for adults it is the media, the rich, then the fact that a lot of things don’t cost as much as they once did, so that it was only proced for the wealthy, now a lot of these goods and services are attainable to the middleclass, and human nature says they can, I can? I deserve too. Advertising has a lot of psychology involved, so even though we all know that maccas and coke has no nutrition what so ever, most likely is gonna put us in an early grave, we just can’t seem to go a year without being sucked into something on their menu… more than a new wardrobe of equal value (shame on Channel, D&G and the whole fashion industry for the way they charge! High end labels could choose to only recover the cost of each fashion item for a month, then donate the other few thousand dollars per item to Japan relief, one month should do it) or a self defense course/ build your self esteem and confidence courses, or that eternity 10k diamond ring! ...again yep you're on the right track here...see how easy this ethical society is able to be achieved? Do you see them volunteering?? Or if you were in glamour modeling or porn, a huge set of norks seems to increases your job opportunities’, so u could consider it an investment into your future career prospects!...maybe valid Worked for Krystal on big brother, Zoo mag’s main gal! Then there are situations such as the two girl friends i had and both at age 15, both had breast reductions as they were tiny girls and their boobs grew so big that they both look stupidly out of proportion, and then they also suffered back/neck/shoulder pain lugging them around, not to mention the unwanted attention in the school yard. Another friend in year 5, a beautiful smart girl, had the WORST flapper ears I have EVER seen, and of course she was not known for her beauty, brains and lovely personality around the school yard, instead she was called ‘Flapper.’ Then there was the ski jump nose girl and the Roman nose bump girl, they had surgery too, the roman nose is covered under Medicare too, there are absolutely no issues around health having a bump at the top of your nose either......yes there are times that even the simple boob job can be warranted as a health issue, whether due to breaking backs or a deep emotional issue BUT how many women with boob jobs had a mandatory psych assessment to see if it were indeed necessary? It's a pity that just a nice strong nose is covered under medicare but someone with no teeth has to eat with gums. Again I''m talking about needless surgery, I have a lot of friends considering and a few that have had a boob job and ALL of them have nice boobs (i've seen most in the flesh ). I just think it's so sad that they feel they need to change the beautiful body they were given. Now I know motherhood changes things and a few it ravages severely, again surgery is likely an option to consider. But now we have teenagers lining up for boob jobs just to get bigger boobs..Shit if a 17 year old girl can't be happy with her boobs at 17 then she's in for a lifetime of self doubt and pain!!!! Well at least they are not demanding to have a limb amputated because they know that it doesn’t belong to them and they want it cut off!! Then they can move on and live happily… Whether you consider that odd or not, acceptable or not, it is their obsession and seems affect them to such an extent that they can’t be happy in life. People get veneer teeth, fake hair, wigs, merkins, piercing, tatts, branding, stretch their earlobes, inject labia with saline to see what big balls feel like, born with 2 lots of sex organs your parents picking the wrong one and needing it changed back, others that r sure they are born in the wrong sexes body, suck blood from their partners because ‘they are vampires’… humans….. all different, your reality might not be deemed acceptable to others, does that mean it is wrong, and that you should be criticized for what makes you happy? Why do u single out plastic surgery? There are way more extravagant spends out there, in our society people do and spend money on all sorts of oddities!? Certain cultures mourn their dead every year and add yet another story of marble to a monument that just make people cry and feel sad? The Greeks have soooo many churches, the reason is that if you built a church in your village, it was a status symbol to how successful and well off u were, they have toooo many churches, most empty…. My previous opinion was the same as yours, I always thought elective surgery was for idiots, y put yourself up for sooo many risks? General anesthetic, staph infection, a doctor fucking it up, hating the result, dying! I honestly thought people were lunatics and what a barbaric practice for the sake of trend and fashion etc shallow fuckers…But then I went thru child birth and fuck me, that didn’t seem natural in any way owwwwwwwwwwwww, then the recover, more owwwwwwww and then the not snapping back I guess it is even more owww (all worth the little perfect human, so there was good that did make it all worthwhile, but still…it doesn’t make me blind to what happened)!! It seems to be hit and miss with peeps, some always snap back, some first time yes, not second blah etc But we all feel how we feel about what has changed, and even thou I am too chicken for all the risk and pain, I think about it a lot, coz then I wouldn’t feel so shit, I’d feel good about myself again…. The media has brainwashed me maybe, or it is my preference, I dunno I can’t change how I feel. I haven’t heard anyone that is in love with the flaws of a post baby body either, only talk about how to and how long it will take to get back to what u were b4 or ‘they let themselves go’ it isn’t always that simple. Just check how brutal these forums are! If u can’t hop into a person’s shoes, then it is ok to have your opinion, but it might not be right for all of society… We all are and think different, there is a shit load of variety of humans on our globe… plus linking one thing to the world’s problems is a little rich… it is similar to people finding out we are on this site, labeling us swingers and not be able to see us as anything but that, which is perverted, disgusting, disrespectful and we are all going to hell, it should be made illegal? If I lost my freedom of choice I’d be miserable. I don’t want anyone’s choices taken away from them if it isn’t causing suffering (sweat shop workers, killing elephants for tusks, stealing girls passports and forcing them into the sex trade) I was on one of the plastic surgery forums and I do not believe anyone there was self centred, nor looking for silly ways to spend their money. Many woman post babies, like myself ended up with a completely different body to what you started with, nature can be cruel! ...it can be, some people are born deformed in such a way that they become social outcasts....in OUR world people are starting to become social outcasts because at 40 years of age they don't look like they are 20 anymore! And this I believe is mores so for woman than men, with the added pressure of being career driven/baby incubator/home maker/super model it is just getting harder to feel good about yourself sometimes trying to fit into societies hard questions and judgment. Some days u think fuck society, but then if u don’t play by the rules u could lose out of freedom and the ability to choose what you want and they way you want to live My boobs grew 3 sizes bigger, and only went back one size, so i have nearly two neck/shoulder/back massages a week coz the damm things are so heavy, i gave up breastfeeding at 6 months coz i just couldn’t endure the weight of them full of milk! Then on the otherside of the pregnancy coin there is my girlfriend, she has had two kids so far, her beautiful boobs (she is Swedish and topless bathing was totally normal, but not anymore...) her boobs are already resembling raisins, and after the two more she wants, she is totally considering getting some work done, after four children in you 30s boobs, belly and other parts of your new rearranged body can affect how u feel about yourselves, your esteem and happiness....I understand this and know Mrs Pup has the same fears. Wouldn't it be nice if our society valued its Mothers, put them on a pedestal instead of the hot, skinny, blonde 40yo that looks like she's 20? Yep and again I feel woman are in the spotlight more, I work mainly with men, and even thou many are nothing to look at, they are soo quick at rating any new female that may role up, EVERYTHING is judged, she has to like prove herself in every way, but a bloke just has to be easy going, and be able to do his job, tick! Not look what he is wearing today and your hair looked better yesterday and is she as good as the men in that role previously? Even if she is, she’ll neva be paid for it. Julia Gillard initially all the media attention was around her looks, none of the male PMs coped as much crap about their looks, and they weren’t lookers for the most part… But I have to say I love working with men coz it is all out and honest and done, whereas girls and a bunch of Queens are nasty and it is all whispering and plotting, the bigger the group the worse it is… My preference is always for a jumble of sexes and preferences, to balance things out! A lot of woman need to get their career sorted first these days, so they are having babies later and later and it really takes a toll on a body that isn’t as elastic as mum in her teens or 20s, which is the age that the body is designed to carry a baby....again the Pups are in this boat arrghhhH!!!! I am lucky that I wasn’t forced to work more days than I was willing to or be demoted because it was a full time job only, like my other girl friends at the same time and even the same company, the laws have loop holes and companies can pretty much do whatever. Hell if it was my company who would I want a full time single person focused on work as no.1 or a sleep deprived parent, that is gonna have a million sick days as the kids gets one sickness after another the second they start daycare! It seems like people’s favourite questions are, you in tomorrow? Ummmmm for the 94th week back, I am still working the same work pattern… and the comments of oh long work week again eh? Being part time you have to work twice as hard and fast and get treated worse (I know it isn’t intentional, but it what u have to deal with), whilst running on no sleep and one sickness after another, no one remembers that that had happened to them too, and they keep telling u that you aren’t looking after your health, there must be something REALLY wrong. So fucking annoying, it is FUCKING NORMAL!!! Plus in our thriving industry of technology and media, a lot of the population earn a living now in the very critical public eye and their looks can be a huge variable in their employment, there are not a lot of people in those industries that wouldn’t feel the pressure to be the best they can be for their employment, as that is now part of your ‘resume’. ...again agreed and what a pity! There aren't many ugly daggy pop stars, and i don’t see many models with deep aging lines, blemished skin and hair moles on their face with saggy boobs on the cover of mags etc, or news readers with flapper ears and/or ski jump noses either (these types of peole are all on radio! kidding...)....how quickly we have sunk into stupidity, look at the pop stars of the 50's, 60's, 70's, and even 80's - my god there are some uglies in there. Oh yes we are moving in the right direction when our musicians need no talent or our reporters no intelligence all they need is to look good! So tell me what is excessive?...you've answered this question adequately yourself What isn’t in our western world after a bunch of years slogging your guts out at maccas, while you are at uni paying higher fees every year, you then finally get that career you have been working towards, and people look down on you for spoiling yourself, with a holiday, car, house, corrective surgery etc? ...Everyone should spoil themselves a little but to what extent? Just because someone CAN do something does it mean they SHOULD? A few people out there slog just as hard but choose thankless (and financially poor) careers that help people in true need. Do they not have the right to look down their roman nose at us just a little bit? No one has the right to look down their nose at anyone, we are all made from flesh and blood, and I believe every person has something special about them, value they can add to someone’s life if they were given the opportunity, all people should be considered equal, but that isn’t quite the case for so many reasons. Actions can be analyzed many ways too, some people who are selfless like your example, may also want the family and kids etc But their passion is so strong that they have no time for the family, they slog their guts out for a cause that helps people they do not know and their flesh and blood are left wishing they were the ones in need? Therefore just coz this person COULD have a family, SHOULD that person have done that, when their passion was soo massive for a cause? Should everyone be forced to maybe give a percentage of their income to a charity, ...YES or a 3rd world country ...YES or green initiatives...YES or be forced to work for not for profit/charity orgs for a year of their career? ...OH DEFINITELY YES!!! I said on another forum, anyone deemed to be choosing to go under surgery for vanity issues should have to work in a hospital in a developing country for just a week or two, I still have a little faith in humanity that they would come back with a different view!! Thank Christ, finished! I am never writing a post this long eva again! EVA! Now Boobs come over here and let me have a squeeze Maybe you just wanna strangle me now, coz it would’ve taken a fair bit of time to get down to the end of a topic that I still have no real clue about, what is right and wrong, as everything that was said, there is a reason for and against, bad idea now, great idea later… I guess if I remain open and not strongly opinionated on just the ‘one’ side, then maybe I’ll have a less stressful time of it? Hope so anyway? Xxxx Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I am exhausted, maybe best I stick to sex topics from now on. I also gave up trying to read it thru to see if it made any real sense. Mental mum episode FINISHED!
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15 years ago
WOW I was just thinking before I logged on that so few people have replied to this topic and this is probably indicative of how few people out there really give a shit. Yep is it worth thinking about? The few replies here are well thought out and mighty intelligent but where's it get us when it's only a few and I bet all the replies are from people who don't consider themselves hard core greenies (I certainly don't). But damn it's nice to see that some RHPers who must by definition be highly hedonistic can also care about what effects their choices may have.Boobs have you ever typed out a long winded response only to accidentally knock some special couple of keys and have the whole lot deleted...happens on my mac all the time - if anyone knows what keys they are please tell me so I can remove one of them!Boobs I've only read up to where you start to respond to my postings and so far we are in 100% agreement. Gee I don't know what is right or wrong either and I can't stand a dirty smelly greenie as much as an arrogant self centred super consumer so who to believe eh? What I do know that is mass apathy is what has got us where we are now and us Aussies seem to lead the way on the "she'll be right mate" ethos. This is very nice in some ways but also leads to us missing the deepening problems and making them harder to fix. We're still a highly racist, sexist, thisist, thatist bunch of people but we're kinda happy and sweep it all under the carpet so it just seems we're not that istist at all (sorry for my misappropriation of the language but it's the only way I can describe it).So can we change things by trying a little? Well of course we can, otherwise we should all buy guns and just go out and appropriate whatever we can get our hands on. Oh a little over exaggeration hehe. This is kinda at the core of what I was saying - we've had it so good and are sheltered from the bad stuff in the world that we start to forget our ethics, our core values, our humanity (well humanitarian part of humanity). I remember in the early 80s as a kid seeing shit on Appartheid that made be bawl infront of all my class mates. How could people treat each other this way? It had to be stopped and through enough people banding together it was - change can happen. But how disappointing as an adult to see that the world is still full of such injustices. But what worries me more is that we just seem to have given up and thought we can't change it so we should just forget the woes and have lots and lots and lots of fun!Yep things are so amazingly hard these days but why when we have more than anyone has ever had before? Maybe this easy life we're all trying to buy isn't working? Maybe if we simplified things then one corner store would be able to stock all we needed so we didn't need to travel vast distances to 20 different Bunnings sized stores just to buy what we need for the week - oh and more people would have local jobs and interact within their communities too! Yes maybe in the quest for convenience we've stuffed up - maybe we need to wind things back a bit? I traveled Europe not too long ago and was amazed at the number of local produce markets in every suburb of large cities...can it be too late for us?OK off to read the rest of your post...
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15 years ago
So far I’ve gotten that plastic surgery is for self cantered silly people, the money could be used to instead stop raging wars?! ...Noooo not ALL, great plastic surgery is done on people with great deformities - I'm not talking saggy boobs here, more like syndromes with half their face missing kind a shit. No money wont stop wars but being more concerned about what's happening around the world than with how our boobs look might mean we put more pressure on governments to prevent them??? Hmmmm… no boob jobs = more concern for other countries = getting governments to not defend their county? Lol now I have heard everything ;) ... haha yep it's gotta start with boobs, they are waaaay too distracting anyway! People in less fortunate countries 'seem more liberated' I don’t see that with the poor health care available and the high rates of disease. Not to mention so few opportunities’ available to these’ liberated’ people to get an education and better job oppourtunities to afford a higher standard of living. ...nah they are not more liberated, it is us that should be more liberated and live our fortunate lives in a more ethical manner??? I am all for it, but tell that to the power hungry corrupt people in or at the top of political parties and black market mafia don’s? It is very hard to get accurate stat’s but right back in the late 90s The Economist reported that the world’s GDP was $39 trillion US and almost $9 trillion came from the shadow economy, and it is on the increase.... again corrupt governments and black markets only work when they have people to buy into what they are offering. Do we just throw our hands up and give up and buy good off the back of a truck? Sorry I've never been one to blame the government..we put the bastards in there so we have to take responsibility. We get the government we deserve, if we were more proactive we might just get a better one. Blaming the government is the biggest cop out. People in other countries stand up to their governments and fight machine gun fire with pebbles. Again apathy takes over and us fortunate ones just forget about it and hope someone else will make the world better Is it if we all recycle or only buy little Jimmy one toy for xmas instead of a few, then that should solve our global limited resource problems, coupled with the huge population growth?! I am soooo confused... What exactly this forum is trying to point out? ...well it would be a start wouldn't it? I have a very successful friend who buys his kids clothes and toys from Vinnies, not to be a cheapskate but why manufacture tonnes of new baby clothes when most could look brand new after the 5th child outgrows them and what little boy hasn't dismantled any toy within 5 minutes of getting it so does it matter if a bit is broken when he first gets it? When I and my mates were time rich most of our wardrobe and other stuff came from op shops, it was like treasure hunting, it was great fun. Same goes with gum tree. But the busier I get and my mates too, the less time we have to go to places where ‘we might’ find what we need… When I was at home with my bub, I got most of her clothes from a recycled kids store, because I could drop in and spend time and if I didn’t find anything, I could go again on the other 6 days I had with no commitments other than mum. Now I am back at work, even thou the shop emails me when there is new stock and specials on, I want and intend to drop in but I only remember when I am driving by and I am either too busy to stop when I drive by as I am on my way to ‘something’ or they are closed, coz I am coming home from work. Plus if I really need something, then I’ll most likely go to a department store as I just don’t have the time to go back and forth, depending on the type of stock they have at the time. Plus when it comes to toys, your kid can be ostracized at school if they are the few ‘without woteva’, when I was in year 5, everyone who ‘belonged’ HAD to have a cabbage patch kid, we had bloody birthday parties at our homes for the ugly things and those without a cabbage patch were NOT EVER invited. Most of us live in ‘society’ and it is a speedy, crazy, unfair, insane rat race at times, and for many and with that comes social trends u feel like being apart of for a variety of reasons, it is all well and good to be ‘above’ all that, but in an already challenging world, it is hard to make it a point to not fit in. Heck when I was in year one only the kids with vegemite sandwiches could sit with us! Clothes can at least be reused, but wasting food upsets me :( When I lived in the London, all the supermarkets had REALLY yummy fresh ‘ready meals’ with like a 2 or 3 day expiry on them as they were meant to be for bunging in the oven after the ridiculous commute home after work, coz cooking is just not as easy as picking up something that u probably could not match for taste and they were super healthy ones to choose from too and reasonably priced. But b4 store closing every night it was obscene how much food went straight into garbage! So many homeless??... again we're on the same side - isnt this all just ridiculous BUT unless WE, yes you and I, unless WE start to change then who the hell else will? Maybe Boob and Pup can start the new world revolution hey!!Oh and I had nothing of the "cool" must haves of my day. I saved and saved for everything. I once swapped a body board that i'd saved so long for for a brand named surf shirt - the one and only shirt that didnt come from Big Damn W. But it really didn't hurt me, it did make me go a little nuts when I worked my way to excess and I have a hard time saying no to anything for Mrs Pup as I just love being able to provide everything she desires. But she loves her op shop clothes and mixes and matches and it always asked where she gets such lovely things by the Goochiii crowd! My granny hated food waste so much too, especially going thru the depression and 2 wars in Greece, and having her husband shot in WWII, she had 4 kids to look after with no real income, so she always made them meals with what she could find (and she couldn’t always find, so the kids had to go to orphan schools, all separate ones for some weird reason, not sure the total time of that), for dinner granma wouldn’t have her own plate she would wait to eat their scraps, and I guess kids are fussy regardless…?, coz my mum has mentioned this story, so it must have been years later when things weren’t so tight, when granny went to town one day, she was walking past a shop window, she caught a reflection of a lady’s butt in the window, and she thought, OMG look at the size of that lady’s bum!! She turned to take a look at the person, and there was no one there, it was her OWN butt reflection that she caught in the shop window lol! Ummm a little off topic, but funny! I think the comments so far maybe gross generalisations. Puppy are you suggesting that we all live in a global communist regime where people are treated equal regardless of education, and what you do for a living, where the world’s wealth and resources are distributed equally to everyone? ...Now you know you're exaggerating here, as I said I do like my fortunate life and like to have a few pleasures all of my own but I do worry about falling in the consumer pit and think about how I can balance things out. Not that I'm an expert on it but counties like Sweden have high taxes and less wage differences but provide all healthcare and education to the masses. I'm sure it's not perfect but seems like a step in the right direction? Funny that your example happened to be Sweden, one of my close friends is from Sweden and 4 years ago she moved to Australia as they were offering great benefit highly skilled work visa’s, she told me the perks, but I can’t remember wot they were exactly. But she and a lot of her Swedish mates, who are here, came here due to the fact that skilled workers can’t earn as much back home in Sweden, coz the tax man takes it! She wants four kids, so she wanted to be in the best financial position that she could be, sounds pretty reasonable to me? Plus just say it just so happened that the whole world adopted Sweden’s way, would people then maybe not strive for the top jobs? When they could have a pretty reasonable quality of life in a less stressful job? Would we start to have global skill shortages in certain areas? I like my job, but I accidently ended up in it due to market forces at the time, Y2K, and this IT/Business role paid double any other job I could get outta uni, so I thought, just a few months? I am sooo poor! Over a decade later, stayed coz I ended up liking it! But no way I woulda took the job if it wasn’t for the salary as I never imagined it as a role for me! ...choices choices choices...you say you are too time poor to care about the world and just have to fit in. So you love your job, it earns you lots of money and all the things it can buy you but you feel stressed at the lack of time you have to enjoy your family and friends? You're on the merry-go-round!!!! I am not sure people would be too happy to give up our current freedom and our market place where we have a choice in available goods and services that are supplied due to what we actually want and demand....of course they wouldn't as "people" just don't give a shit about how much damage having every goodie and service available at a convenience store just down the road actually does! Actually I think a lot of people do care, but when it comes to food but certain green/healthy commodities are priced out of their range, fresh, nutritious meals are constantly going up in price and were already so much more expensive than poor quality foods. ...yes the lovely organic stuff is ridiculously priced but if we stop eating Maccas and demand goes up for good stuff then more resources go into producing more and hey there's more good stuff out there - supply is up and prices down! Now I know if I go to a upper crust suburban Woolies on a monday they have great specials on all the good stuff that those rich folks didn't hovel down over the weekend - the 1.5kg organic marinated roast I had the other day was beautiful and only $10 thank you very much!!! Healthy foods are harder to find in some regions, Monsivais said. They also tend to require preparation and skill -- another roadblock for some consumers. the gap between the price of healthy and unhealthy food is growing larger, The most nutrient-dense category saw a 30 percent price increase between 2004 and 2008. The price of items in the least healthy category only increased 16 percent.... you are what you eat...again let's all give up or maybe we learn how to cook???? Puppy and GirlTuesday, you two may not be in the market for a nip and a tuck (but like you mentioned you maybe in the market for cars or say holidays, new homes, new technologies, whatever can be bought etc etc subscriptions to RHP, a laptop, an internet account, and electricity account etc). But plastic surgery is not a legitimate service to spend money on? This might be your opinion, and that is fine. But other people are entitled to a different one, doesn’t mean it is wrong? ...you are right but I am more having a dig at our need to undergo needless surgery purely for vanity's sake - every surgery takes up hospital time that could be used for more important people, you know the ones that are say dying and stuff!!! Now maybe frivolous surgeries could give hospital coffers an injection but I have a suspicion that the profits go into the pockets of the surgeons and there would be a residual cost borne by the tax payer??? Vanity these days more than eva, is a commodity, so some see it as an investment for particular careers, therefore there are more people doing it to keep up their employment opportunities, therefore the pressure to look good increases even if it is for nothing other than to just not be left behind! Our public eye is brutal, these forums a brutal. So if there is a pill for it, or a surgery for it, people will weigh up the opportunity cost and for some, they would never say they made the wrong decision ... so we accept how fucked up this is and go with it? Why don’t we try the equation again: Plastic Surgery = increasing a person’s confidence, happiness for either personal, health or career reasons = successful, focused and passionate people = an understanding in what it is like to suffer (somehow, It may not be big for one person, but could be a huge mental issue for another?) and now have the ability to give a little back to help others become happy somehow, pay it forward Even if that sounds like total utter dogs bollix ...hehe yes!, my main point is (and what I live by), the oxygen mask theory - on an airplane, you must put your own mask on first; otherwise you won't be able to effectively take care of anyone else. I’d like to add, that is with the intend to want to help others, there are always gonna be selfish fuckers in this world that are only ever about themselves and would sit back and let others suffer and just watch!...yes and it seems really from all you say that any effort not to be one of them is futile so we all should and we all are becoming the selfish fucker!!! For them this service can maybe improve their self esteem...exactly my point, how wrong is it that anyone has to feel they need to be cut up as they are not worthy of respect unless they look like someone else!!!!!!! When we are young a lot of us get sucked into peer pressure and wag school, shop lift, smoke and drink lotsa booze, then cough and vomit on the policeman that caught us for the shop lifting, fun day out, especially when ya parents ground u for the rest of your life… why did I do it (an example, not’ all’ me, but others at my school)?? That is nothing compared to the gangs we have now and all the weapons they carry AND use… I met a 16 year old that moved to Perth from Rocko to do a chef apprenticeship when I was 23 and I asked why he moved up here to do it, he said because he was sick of going to funerals, he could name more than a dozen school friends that died of heroin overdoses!! Oh and now YOUNG kids are jumping into sex younger and younger… blah blah for adults it is the media, the rich, then the fact that a lot of things don’t cost as much as they once did, so that it was only proced for the wealthy, now a lot of these goods and services are attainable to the middleclass, and human nature says they can, I can? I deserve too. Advertising has a lot of psychology involved, so even though we all know that maccas and coke has no nutrition what so ever, most likely is gonna put us in an early grave, we just can’t seem to go a year without being sucked into something on their menu…... YES YES YES you keep supporting our need to fight against it all eh? more than a new wardrobe of equal value (shame on Channel, D&G and the whole fashion industry for the way they charge! High end labels could choose to only recover the cost of each fashion item for a month, then donate the other few thousand dollars per item to Japan relief, one month should do it) or a self defense course/ build your self esteem and confidence courses, or that eternity 10k diamond ring! ...again yep you're on the right track here...see how easy this ethical society is able to be achieved? Do you see them volunteering??... oh yes it's all "Them's" fault!!! Or if you were in glamour modeling or porn, a huge set of norks seems to increases your job opportunities’, so u could consider it an investment into your future career prospects!...maybe valid Worked for Krystal on big brother, Zoo mag’s main gal! Then there are situations such as the two girl friends i had and both at age 15, both had breast reductions as they were tiny girls and their boobs grew so big that they both look stupidly out of proportion, and then they also suffered back/neck/shoulder pain lugging them around, not to mention the unwanted attention in the school yard. Another friend in year 5, a beautiful smart girl, had the WORST flapper ears I have EVER seen, and of course she was not known for her beauty, brains and lovely personality around the school yard, instead she was called ‘Flapper.’ Then there was the ski jump nose girl and the Roman nose bump girl, they had surgery too, the roman nose is covered under Medicare too, there are absolutely no issues around health having a bump at the top of your nose either......yes there are times that even the simple boob job can be warranted as a health issue, whether due to breaking backs or a deep emotional issue BUT how many women with boob jobs had a mandatory psych assessment to see if it were indeed necessary? It's a pity that just a nice strong nose is covered under medicare but someone with no teeth has to eat with gums. Again I''m talking about needless surgery, I have a lot of friends considering and a few that have had a boob job and ALL of them have nice boobs (i've seen most in the flesh ). I just think it's so sad that they feel they need to change the beautiful body they were given. Now I know motherhood changes things and a few it ravages severely, again surgery is likely an option to consider. But now we have teenagers lining up for boob jobs just to get bigger boobs..Shit if a 17 year old girl can't be happy with her boobs at 17 then she's in for a lifetime of self doubt and pain!!!! Well at least they are not demanding to have a limb amputated because they know that it doesn’t belong to them and they want it cut off!! Then they can move on and live happily… Whether you consider that odd or not, acceptable or not, it is their obsession and seems affect them to such an extent that they can’t be happy in life. People get veneer teeth, fake hair, wigs, merkins, piercing, tatts, branding, stretch their earlobes, inject labia with saline to see what big balls feel like, born with 2 lots of sex organs your parents picking the wrong one and needing it changed back, others that r sure they are born in the wrong sexes body, suck blood from their partners because ‘they are vampires’… humans….. all different, your reality might not be deemed acceptable to others, does that mean it is wrong, and that you should be criticized for what makes you happy? Why do u single out plastic surgery? ... not just singled out but one of many things I am concerned about and pretty damn serious stuff to get cut up and undergo GA's and associated morbitities - it's one excess that is becoming way too socially accepted There are way more extravagant spends out there, in our society people do and spend money on all sorts of oddities!? Certain cultures mourn their dead every year and add yet another story of marble to a monument that just make people cry and feel sad? The Greeks have soooo many churches, the reason is that if you built a church in your village, it was a status symbol to how successful and well off u were, they have toooo many churches, most empty…. My previous opinion was the same as yours, I always thought elective surgery was for idiots, y put yourself up for sooo many risks? General anesthetic, staph infection, a doctor fucking it up, hating the result, dying! I honestly thought people were lunatics and what a barbaric practice for the sake of trend and fashion etc shallow fuckers…But then I went thru child birth and fuck me, that didn’t seem natural in any way ... how twisted it is when child birth isn't natural owwwwwwwwwwwww, then the recover, more owwwwwwww and then the not snapping back I guess it is even more owww (all worth the little perfect human, so there was good that did make it all worthwhile,............ SHOULDNT THIS BE THE POINT but still…it doesn’t make me blind to what happened)!! It seems to be hit and miss with peeps, some always snap back, some first time yes, not second blah etc But we all feel how we feel about what has changed, and even thou I am too chicken for all the risk and pain, I think about it a lot, coz then I wouldn’t feel so shit, I’d feel good about myself again…. The media has brainwashed me maybe, or it is my preference, I dunno I can’t change how I feel. I haven’t heard anyone that is in love with the flaws of a post baby body either, only talk about how to and how long it will take to get back to what u were b4 or ‘they let themselves go’ it isn’t always that simple. Just check how brutal these forums are! ...yes horrible and again if we valued our mothers we wouldnt speak so harshly of them If u can’t hop into a person’s shoes, then it is ok to have your opinion, but it might not be right for all of society… We all are and think different, there is a shit load of variety of humans on our globe… plus linking one thing to the world’s problems is a little rich…...not linking just one thing but using it as an example of how silly we're getting - you've given ample other examples yourself it is similar to people finding out we are on this site, labeling us swingers and not be able to see us as anything but that, which is perverted, disgusting, disrespectful and we are all going to hell, it should be made illegal? If I lost my freedom of choice I’d be miserable. I don’t want anyone’s choices taken away from them if it isn’t causing suffering (sweat shop workers, killing elephants for tusks, stealing girls passports and forcing them into the sex trade... and forcing women to cut up their bodies to fit in societies ideal - oh no sorry this is a choice right?) I was on one of the plastic surgery forums and I do not believe anyone there was self centred, nor looking for silly ways to spend their money. Many woman post babies, like myself ended up with a completely different body to what you started with, nature can be cruel! ...it can be, some people are born deformed in such a way that they become social outcasts....in OUR world people are starting to become social outcasts because at 40 years of age they don't look like they are 20 anymore! And this I believe is mores so for woman than men, with the added pressure of being career driven/baby incubator/home maker/super model it is just getting harder to feel good about yourself sometimes trying to fit into societies hard questions and judgment. Some days u think fuck society, but then if u don’t play by the rules u could lose out of freedom and the ability to choose what you want and they way you want to live... not if we change the way society thinks! My boobs grew 3 sizes bigger, and only went back one size, so i have nearly two neck/shoulder/back massages a week coz the damm things are so heavy, i gave up breastfeeding at 6 months coz i just couldn’t endure the weight of them full of milk! Then on the otherside of the pregnancy coin there is my girlfriend, she has had two kids so far, her beautiful boobs (she is Swedish and topless bathing was totally normal, but not anymore...) her boobs are already resembling raisins, and after the two more she wants, she is totally considering getting some work done, after four children in you 30s boobs, belly and other parts of your new rearranged body can affect how u feel about yourselves, your esteem and happiness....I understand this and know Mrs Pup has the same fears. Wouldn't it be nice if our society valued its Mothers, put them on a pedestal instead of the hot, skinny, blonde 40yo that looks like she's 20? Yep and again I feel woman are in the spotlight more, I work mainly with men, and even thou many are nothing to look at, they are soo quick at rating any new female that may role up, EVERYTHING is judged, she has to like prove herself in every way, but a bloke just has to be easy going, and be able to do his job, tick! Not look what he is wearing today and your hair looked better yesterday and is she as good as the men in that role previously? Even if she is, she’ll neva be paid for it. Julia Gillard initially all the media attention was around her looks, none of the male PMs coped as much crap about their looks, and they weren’t lookers for the most part…...lookers...geez if John Howard can't get his teeth fixed then what hope do the average Australians have to stay out of dentures! But I have to say I love working with men coz it is all out and honest and done, whereas girls and a bunch of Queens are nasty and it is all whispering and plotting, the bigger the group the worse it is… My preference is always for a jumble of sexes and preferences, to balance things out! A lot of woman need to get their career sorted first these days, so they are having babies later and later and it really takes a toll on a body that isn’t as elastic as mum in her teens or 20s, which is the age that the body is designed to carry a baby....again the Pups are in this boat arrghhhH!!!! I am lucky that I wasn’t forced to work more days than I was willing to or be demoted because it was a full time job only, like my other girl friends at the same time and even the same company, the laws have loop holes and companies can pretty much do whatever. Hell if it was my company who would I want a full time single person focused on work as no.1 or a sleep deprived parent, that is gonna have a million sick days as the kids gets one sickness after another the second they start daycare! It seems like people’s favourite questions are, you in tomorrow? Ummmmm for the 94th week back, I am still working the same work pattern… and the comments of oh long work week again eh? Being part time you have to work twice as hard and fast and get treated worse (I know it isn’t intentional, but it what u have to deal with), whilst running on no sleep and one sickness after another, no one remembers that that had happened to them too, and they keep telling u that you aren’t looking after your health, there must be something REALLY wrong. So fucking annoying, it is FUCKING NORMAL!!!...should it be though? If we didn't want all the do dads and fads and shite then maybe we'd all have more time. Yes we have so little "Me" time that we replace this need with stuff or boobs or whatever to try and make ourselves feel better - again we're chasing our fuckin tails!!! I've worked my arse off to get to a successful point and now I can work a very long week and earn X dollars which would give me all of the riches I so desire (yes I could have that 300K car) BUT the more dollars you earn the less time and the more stress you usually have to endure. So my solution, I take X and I halve it and guess what, I have more time on my hands. I definitely can't afford all the luxuries I may want but really I don't need them. Now I feel blessed that through hard work I've been given the opportunity to do this, many people just don't get to this stage. But this ever increasing expectation of what we need to have to be successful is making it harder and harder for anyone to achieve. So I'm lucky, but should I just step over the rest and enjoy my hard earned wealth? Oh yes I will enjoy myself but I must, I just must try and give something back here and there - it'll make me feel good about myself (more so than better boobs on my wife) and I may just help someone less fortunate. Plus in our thriving industry of technology and media, a lot of the population earn a living now in the very critical public eye and their looks can be a huge variable in their employment, there are not a lot of people in those industries that wouldn’t feel the pressure to be the best they can be for their employment, as that is now part of your ‘resume’. ...again agreed and what a pity! There aren't many ugly daggy pop stars, and i don’t see many models with deep aging lines, blemished skin and hair moles on their face with saggy boobs on the cover of mags etc, or news readers with flapper ears and/or ski jump noses either (these types of peole are all on radio! kidding...)....how quickly we have sunk into stupidity, look at the pop stars of the 50's, 60's, 70's, and even 80's - my god there are some uglies in there. Oh yes we are moving in the right direction when our musicians need no talent or our reporters no intelligence all they need is to look good! So tell me what is excessive?...you've answered this question adequately yourself What isn’t in our western world after a bunch of years slogging your guts out at maccas, while you are at uni paying higher fees every year, you then finally get that career you have been working towards, and people look down on you for spoiling yourself, with a holiday, car, house, corrective surgery etc? ...Everyone should spoil themselves a little but to what extent? Just because someone CAN do something does it mean they SHOULD? A few people out there slog just as hard but choose thankless (and financially poor) careers that help people in true need. Do they not have the right to look down their roman nose at us just a little bit? No one has the right to look down their nose at anyone,... I agree but you justify plastic surgery so we all fit into a mould, surely there is no sense to surgery unless we look down our noses at those that dont do it! we are all made from flesh and blood, and I believe every person has something special about them, value they can add to someone’s life if they were given the opportunity, all people should be considered equal, but that isn’t quite the case for so many reasons. Actions can be analyzed many ways too, some people who are selfless like your example, may also want the family and kids etc But their passion is so strong that they have no time for the family, they slog their guts out for a cause that helps people they do not know and their flesh and blood are left wishing they were the ones in need? Therefore just coz this person COULD have a family, SHOULD that person have done that, when their passion was soo massive for a cause? ... I know many such people, as Kermit said "It's hard being green!" Should everyone be forced to maybe give a percentage of their income to a charity, ...YES or a 3rd world country ...YES or green initiatives...YES or be forced to work for not for profit/charity orgs for a year of their career? ...OH DEFINITELY YES!!! I said on another forum, anyone deemed to be choosing to go under surgery for vanity issues should have to work in a hospital in a developing country for just a week or two, I still have a little faith in humanity that they would come back with a different view!! Thank Christ, finished! I am never writing a post this long eva again! EVA! Now Boobs come over here and let me have a squeeze Maybe you just wanna strangle me now, coz it would’ve taken a fair bit of time to get down to the end of a topic that I still have no real clue about, what is right and wrong, as everything that was said, there is a reason for and against, bad idea now, great idea later… I guess if I remain open and not strongly opinionated on just the ‘one’ side, then maybe I’ll have a less stressful time of it? Hope so anyway?... strangle you? Not at all. I wanna give you a big hug (and hopefully a booby squeeze) Xxxx Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I am exhausted, maybe best I stick to sex topics from now on. I also gave up trying to read it thru to see if it made any real sense. Mental mum episode FINISHED!... ha I dont read over mine either as it'd drive me insane but for what it's worth I really enjoyed reading your post, even though Mrs Pup is now pissed as I've wasted a lovely morning!!!! Praise the Mumxxxx
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15 years ago
Yeah Yeah Mr.Dickens it does appear that we should instead go out and get a life or do something worthwhile instead of just talking about it... But this has been fun :) It just accidently turned out this way, I haven't really gotten into the forums until recently and it was just strange to actually have so much to work through on this one, it has truly been quite relevant to me in the last year. A little sad it isn't anything to do with this site and sex? But oh well... Probably not appropriate for other readers having posts this long, but as not many people got into the topic Puppy and I took care of it lol! And here we go with round 3: I swing both ways when it comes to this topic, funny that (that word is all this thread has in common with the site too lol!)? Boobs I've only read up to where you start to respond to my postings and so far we are in 100% agreement. Gee I don't know what is right or wrong either and I can't stand a dirty smelly greenie as much as an arrogant self centred super consumer so who to believe eh? What I do know that is mass apathy is what has got us where we are now and us Aussies seem to lead the way on the "she'll be right mate" ethos. This is very nice in some ways but also leads to us missing the deepening problems and making them harder to fix. We're still a highly racist, sexist, thisist, thatist bunch of people but we're kinda happy and sweep it all under the carpet so it just seems we're not that istist at all (sorry for my misappropriation of the language but it's the only way I can describe it). So can we change things by trying a little? Well of course we can, otherwise we should all buy guns and just go out and appropriate whatever we can get our hands on. Oh a little over exaggeration hehe. This is kinda at the core of what I was saying - we've had it so good and are sheltered from the bad stuff in the world that we start to forget our ethics, our core values, our humanity (well humanitarian part of humanity). I remember in the early 80s as a kid seeing shit on Appartheid that made be bawl infront of all my class mates. How could people treat each other this way? It had to be stopped and through enough people banding together it was - change can happen. But how disappointing as an adult to see that the world is still full of such injustices. But what worries me more is that we just seem to have given up and thought we can't change it so we should just forget the woes and have lots and lots and lots of fun! Your passion is worth bottling, but how are you going to infect people with the same passion and band them together?? And once you’ve banded people together, then what? What is your plan? Again what are you proposing IN DETAIL, what needs to be done for it to be enough, what are the specifics of what you want changed? How to you then get our whole country to jump up and down about it enough so the government does what, what exactly is on your list?? This is the detail that I haven’t seen in your posts yet…? I know I can control what I do and work on improving my actions in terms of respecting the planet more, as I can ultimately take control of my life choices. I could extend that to friends, family and work too. But I am not willing to drop my whole life for a cause, especially when there is no plan Pup! Are you willing to? Yep things are so amazingly hard these days but why when we have more than anyone has ever had before? Maybe this easy life we're all trying to buy isn't working? Maybe if we simplified things then one corner store would be able to stock all we needed so we didn't need to travel vast distances to 20 different Bunnings sized stores just to buy what we need for the week - oh and more people would have local jobs and interact within their communities too! Yes maybe in the quest for convenience we've stuffed up - maybe we need to wind things back a bit? I traveled Europe not too long ago and was amazed at the number of local produce markets in every suburb of large cities...can it be too late for us? Sometimes (a lot of the time lately lol!) I feel like running away to Fiji and living on one of the islands that only have electricity for 2 hours a day on a generator and pretty much live off what is around them, 316 islands of pure paradise, great culture to, love the people, but unfortunately capitalism has it’s tentacles in there slowly ruining that paradise too, one island at a time :( OK off to read the rest of your post... So far I’ve gotten that plastic surgery is for self cantered silly people, the money could be used to instead stop raging wars?! ...Noooo not ALL, great plastic surgery is done on people with great deformities - I'm not talking saggy boobs here, more like syndromes with half their face missing kind a shit. No money wont stop wars but being more concerned about what's happening around the world than with how our boobs look might mean we put more pressure on governments to prevent them??? Hmmmm… no boob jobs = more concern for other countries = getting governments to not defend their county? Lol now I have heard everything ;) ... haha yep it's gotta start with boobs, they are waaaay too distracting anyway! People in less fortunate countries 'seem more liberated' I don’t see that with the poor health care available and the high rates of disease. Not to mention so few opportunities’ available to these’ liberated’ people to get an education and better job oppourtunities to afford a higher standard of living. ...nah they are not more liberated, it is us that should be more liberated and live our fortunate lives in a more ethical manner??? I am all for it, but tell that to the power hungry corrupt people in or at the top of political parties and black market mafia don’s? It is very hard to get accurate stat’s but right back in the late 90s The Economist reported that the world’s GDP was $39 trillion US and almost $9 trillion came from the shadow economy, and it is on the increase.... again corrupt governments and black markets only work when they have people to buy into what they are offering. Do we just throw our hands up and give up and buy good off the back of a truck? Sorry I've never been one to blame the government..we put the bastards in there so we have to take responsibility. We get the government we deserve, if we were more proactive we might just get a better one. Blaming the government is the biggest cop out. People in other countries stand up to their governments and fight machine gun fire with pebbles. Again apathy takes over and us fortunate ones just forget about it and hope someone else will make the world better Not blaming the government for the shadow economy, just stating that there are a lot of bent people in the world that don’t follow the basic rules of contributing by paying tax. What they do to people I don’t want to even try to imagine. They are powerful, dangerous and there is no chance of getting any help from them!? Any suggestions on how to disbanded mafia cartels and corrupt governments?! So how are you expecting to stop the people from using there illegal goods that they can’t get on the free market? Weapons, drugs, sex trade, smuggling all that nasty crap that is worth Trillions!! Puppy you are reminding me of a Nike ad, you seem to just keep barking the same tune ‘Just do it!’ get people to ‘Just do it!’ Not very descriptive on how u r gonna influence that… I wonder if you have anything. What were you expecting to see in this forum? Is it if we all recycle or only buy little Jimmy one toy for xmas instead of a few, then that should solve our global limited resource problems, coupled with the huge population growth?! I am soooo confused... What exactly this forum is trying to point out? ...well it would be a start wouldn't it? I have a very successful friend who buys his kids clothes and toys from Vinnies, not to be a cheapskate but why manufacture tonnes of new baby clothes when most could look brand new after the 5th child outgrows them and what little boy hasn't dismantled any toy within 5 minutes of getting it so does it matter if a bit is broken when he first gets it? When I and my mates were time rich most of our wardrobe and other stuff came from op shops, it was like treasure hunting, it was great fun. Same goes with gum tree. But the busier I get and my mates too, the less time we have to go to places where ‘we might’ find what we need… When I was at home with my bub, I got most of her clothes from a recycled kids store, because I could drop in and spend time and if I didn’t find anything, I could go again on the other 6 days I had with no commitments other than mum. Now I am back at work, even thou the shop emails me when there is new stock and specials on, I want and intend to drop in but I only remember when I am driving by and I am either too busy to stop when I drive by as I am on my way to ‘something’ or they are closed, coz I am coming home from work. Plus if I really need something, then I’ll most likely go to a department store as I just don’t have the time to go back and forth, depending on the type of stock they have at the time. Plus when it comes to toys, your kid can be ostracized at school if they are the few ‘without woteva’, when I was in year 5, everyone who ‘belonged’ HAD to have a cabbage patch kid, we had bloody birthday parties at our homes for the ugly things and those without a cabbage patch were NOT EVER invited. Most of us live in ‘society’ and it is a speedy, crazy, unfair, insane rat race at times, and for many and with that comes social trends u feel like being apart of for a variety of reasons, it is all well and good to be ‘above’ all that, but in an already challenging world, it is hard to make it a point to not fit in. Heck when I was in year one only the kids with vegemite sandwiches could sit with us! Clothes can at least be reused, but wasting food upsets me :( When I lived in the London, all the supermarkets had REALLY yummy fresh ‘ready meals’ with like a 2 or 3 day expiry on them as they were meant to be for bunging in the oven after the ridiculous commute home after work, coz cooking is just not as easy as picking up something that u probably could not match for taste and they were super healthy ones to choose from too and reasonably priced. But b4 store closing every night it was obscene how much food went straight into garbage! So many homeless??... again we're on the same side - isnt this all just ridiculous BUT unless WE, yes you and I, unless WE start to change then who the hell else will? Maybe Boob and Pup can start the new world revolution hey!! Again, your passion is magnificent, but where are the steps in your plan of attack for this new world revolution?? What is the first step Pup? You and me with a placard board strapped to our backs, riding push bikes round oz trying to get people to join us? Oh and I had nothing of the "cool" must haves of my day. I saved and saved for everything. I once swapped a body board that i'd saved so long for for a brand named surf shirt - the one and only shirt that didnt come from Big Damn W. But it really didn't hurt me, it did make me go a little nuts when I worked my way to excess and I have a hard time saying no to anything for Mrs Pup as I just love being able to provide everything she desires. But she loves her op shop clothes and mixes and matches and it always asked where she gets such lovely things by the Goochiii crowd! My granny hated food waste so much too, especially going thru the depression and 2 wars in Greece, and having her husband shot in WWII, she had 4 kids to look after with no real income, so she always made them meals with what she could find (and she couldn’t always find, so the kids had to go to orphan schools, all separate ones for some weird reason, not sure the total time of that), for dinner granma wouldn’t have her own plate she would wait to eat their scraps, and I guess kids are fussy regardless…?, coz my mum has mentioned this story, so it must have been years later when things weren’t so tight, when granny went to town one day, she was walking past a shop window, she caught a reflection of a lady’s butt in the window, and she thought, OMG look at the size of that lady’s bum!! She turned to take a look at the person, and there was no one there, it was her OWN butt reflection that she caught in the shop window lol! Ummm a little off topic, but funny! I think the comments so far maybe gross generalisations. Puppy are you suggesting that we all live in a global communist regime where people are treated equal regardless of education, and what you do for a living, where the world’s wealth and resources are distributed equally to everyone? ...Now you know you're exaggerating here, as I said I do like my fortunate life and like to have a few pleasures all of my own but I do worry about falling in the consumer pit and think about how I can balance things out. Not that I'm an expert on it but counties like Sweden have high taxes and less wage differences but provide all healthcare and education to the masses. I'm sure it's not perfect but seems like a step in the right direction? Funny that your example happened to be Sweden, one of my close friends is from Sweden and 4 years ago she moved to Australia as they were offering great benefit highly skilled work visa’s, she told me the perks, but I can’t remember wot they were exactly. But she and a lot of her Swedish mates, who are here, came here due to the fact that skilled workers can’t earn as much back home in Sweden, coz the tax man takes it! She wants four kids, so she wanted to be in the best financial position that she could be, sounds pretty reasonable to me? Plus just say it just so happened that the whole world adopted Sweden’s way, would people then maybe not strive for the top jobs? When they could have a pretty reasonable quality of life in a less stressful job? Would we start to have global skill shortages in certain areas? I like my job, but I accidently ended up in it due to market forces at the time, Y2K, and this IT/Business role paid double any other job I could get outta uni, so I thought, just a few months? I am sooo poor! Over a decade later, stayed coz I ended up liking it! But no way I woulda took the job if it wasn’t for the salary as I never imagined it as a role for me! ...choices choices choices...you say you are too time poor to care about the world and just have to fit in. So you love your job, it earns you lots of money and all the things it can buy you but you feel stressed at the lack of time you have to enjoy your family and friends? You're on the merry-go-round!!!! Yes, I am currently on the merry-go-round and I had a plan to get off, but that blew up in my face after 9 years of planning, you simply cannot predict human behaviour sometimes? Some things just don’t work out in life no matter how sure you are about it? Quick explanation: So I thought I had a had the perfect plan for my life and was hitting each and every goal, until the last one, and bamm perfect plan blown to a trillion pieces… I was with Mr.Boobs 9 years b4 baby boobs came, we both agreed that when we’d see some of the world, work hard, play hard, get setup first. Then when a baby boobs came, we’d not go all old school like our parents and do the traditional mama at home and papa working a million hours to PROVIDE, we were going to do it ‘our’ way, take both our feet off the corporate pedals and work part time and share the parenting, plus do more time off to enjoy it especially for the first couple years, then do a sea change for a year to a developing country (my friends are in Vanuatu with 2 kids and have been doing an ATV bike tourist business for 6 months – that WAS MY DREAM!! They left Australia, I left Mr.Boobs…), we planned to keep variety in our lifestyle, not go get lost in the suburbs and do groundhog day for 30 years with separate roles and lives! The short of hoe it played out, baby Boob came, Mr.Boobs had 2 weeks off and we basically didn’t see him much until he was given the marching orders last March (he saw Baby Boobs on Saturdays and some of Sunday’s but defaulted parenting to me, and if on a weeknight he got home b4 8, it would usually only be one hour, so much for the shared roles, the worst was baby boobs didn’t have much of a bond, took months after to get there, hard and horrible. It was the craziest shit, he became a different person the minute she came out of my body! He became our parents, and to make it even better, it felt like I was married to his old school ma, lecturing me, instructing me, even following up that I was doing what she said. It took all my strength to not get violent on her ass, there was no changing her from where I sat. I warned and told Mr.Boobs ova anv ova that things had to change, he was deaf to it? Anymore time spent in that situation and I woulda gone to the insane asylum! Hence me being on the merry go round and being time poor, I have to do it all now, poof went the family dream! Which was going to be a balanced lifestyle for us for the first time… Saw lots of others achieve it…. Grrrr So after a decade I am now Ms.No Plans and single with all sorts of baggage (that wasn’t on my goals list?! How did I get here?)! I don’t love my job, it is just a job and I just didn’t feel the need to go into a different industry I was comfy there, as I saw a future that suited me, it was fair work, fair hours for fair pay, fit in lots of life too. Mr.Boob’s job was give them your blood, be available 365 days/year, 24/7, cancel holidays or leave the family on the other side of the world for an emergency fly back and ‘do you really need to go to that funeral? Oh you do…could you leave early then?’ I was an idiot to believe that he was gonna control them and change his life overnight, it instead went worse the other way… I am not sure people would be too happy to give up our current freedom and our market place where we have a choice in available goods and services that are supplied due to what we actually want and demand....of course they wouldn't as "people" just don't give a shit about how much damage having every goodie and service available at a convenience store just down the road actually does! Actually I think a lot of people do care, but when it comes to food but certain green/healthy commodities are priced out of their range, fresh, nutritious meals are constantly going up in price and were already so much more expensive than poor quality foods. ...yes the lovely organic stuff is ridiculously priced but if we stop eating Maccas and demand goes up for good stuff then more resources go into producing more and hey there's more good stuff out there - supply is up and prices down! Now I know if I go to a upper crust suburban Woolies on a monday they have great specials on all the good stuff that those rich folks didn't hovel down over the weekend - the 1.5kg organic marinated roast I had the other day was beautiful and only $10 thank you very much!!! My point is that the mass advertising gets into peoples heads from all the franchised places, their sponsorship and charity causes, it isn’t easy for society to be cut off, how do u propose it is done Mr. ‘Just do it! Plus I am not sure Monday shopping will solve the price problems for the less fortunate, you are a funny one! Healthy foods are harder to find in some regions, Monsivais said. They also tend to require preparation and skill -- another roadblock for some consumers. the gap between the price of healthy and unhealthy food is growing larger, The most nutrient-dense category saw a 30 percent price increase between 2004 and 2008. The price of items in the least healthy category only increased 16 percent.... you are what you eat...again let's all give up or maybe we learn how to cook???? Puppy and GirlTuesday, you two may not be in the market for a nip and a tuck (but like you mentioned you maybe in the market for cars or say holidays, new homes, new technologies, whatever can be bought etc etc subscriptions to RHP, a laptop, an internet account, and electricity account etc). But plastic surgery is not a legitimate service to spend money on? This might be your opinion, and that is fine. But other people are entitled to a different one, doesn’t mean it is wrong? ...you are right but I am more having a dig at our need to undergo needless surgery purely for vanity's sake - every surgery takes up hospital time that could be used for more important people, you know the ones that are say dying and stuff!!! Now maybe frivolous surgeries could give hospital coffers an injection but I have a suspicion that the profits go into the pockets of the surgeons and there would be a residual cost borne by the tax payer??? Vanity these days more than eva, is a commodity, so some see it as an investment for particular careers, therefore there are more people doing it to keep up their employment opportunities, therefore the pressure to look good increases even if it is for nothing other than to just not be left behind! Our public eye is brutal, these forums a brutal. So if there is a pill for it, or a surgery for it, people will weigh up the opportunity cost and for some, they would never say they made the wrong decision ... so we accept how fucked up this is and go with it? Over the centuries humans have and still do far more barbaric practices, female circumcisions, with a dirty knife outside in a village, if they don’t die from infection, then they just get to enjoy painful sex for the rest of their lives. Tribes all over the world have very painful rituals that people are proud to take part in to become a man or a woman. If you compare plastic surgery to other cultures ‘trends’ you may find, that it is one of the less risky options. No one is asking you to have anything done. People are entitled to make their own choices in life, you aren’t them, why should your opinion count more than them! Build a bridge it is a free market and it is legal. People have been doing absurd things for centuries to try and look this way or that. This is just another crazy option some are willing to take as current society ‘norms’ portrayed thru mass media just wear people down and make them feel like shit and if they would rather go thru something to have one thing less to worry about and increase confidence and esteem, then so be it. Why don’t we try the equation again: Plastic Surgery = increasing a person’s confidence, happiness for either personal, health or career reasons = successful, focused and passionate people = an understanding in what it is like to suffer (somehow, It may not be big for one person, but could be a huge mental issue for another?) and now have the ability to give a little back to help others become happy somehow, pay it forward Even if that sounds like total utter dogs bollix ...hehe yes!, my main point is (and what I live by), the oxygen mask theory - on an airplane, you must put your own mask on first; otherwise you won't be able to effectively take care of anyone else. I’d like to add, that is with the intend to want to help others, there are always gonna be selfish fuckers in this world that are only ever about themselves and would sit back and let others suffer and just watch!...yes and it seems really from all you say that any effort not to be one of them is futile so we all should and we all are becoming the selfish fucker!!! No, I just meant to enable a person to be capable of helping others to the best of their ability, they first need to attend to their own needs, if you don’t look after yourself, ie. Put steps in place to be healthy and happy, then you will end up needing the help instead of giving any. And for 9 people that are willing, there will always be someone who could care less, it is just fact, we are all different! For them this service can maybe improve their self esteem...exactly my point, how wrong is it that anyone has to feel they need to be cut up as they are not worthy of respect unless they look like someone else!!!!!!! When we are young a lot of us get sucked into peer pressure and wag school, shop lift, smoke and drink lotsa booze, then cough and vomit on the policeman that caught us for the shop lifting, fun day out, especially when ya parents ground u for the rest of your life… why did I do it (an example, not’ all’ me, but others at my school)?? That is nothing compared to the gangs we have now and all the weapons they carry AND use… I met a 16 year old that moved to Perth from Rocko to do a chef apprenticeship when I was 23 and I asked why he moved up here to do it, he said because he was sick of going to funerals, he could name more than a dozen school friends that died of heroin overdoses!! Oh and now YOUNG kids are jumping into sex younger and younger… blah blah for adults it is the media, the rich, then the fact that a lot of things don’t cost as much as they once did, so that it was only proced for the wealthy, now a lot of these goods and services are attainable to the middleclass, and human nature says they can, I can? I deserve too. Advertising has a lot of psychology involved, so even though we all know that maccas and coke has no nutrition what so ever, most likely is gonna put us in an early grave, we just can’t seem to go a year without being sucked into something on their menu…... YES YES YES you keep supporting our need to fight against it all eh? more than a new wardrobe of equal value (shame on Channel, D&G and the whole fashion industry for the way they charge! High end labels could choose to only recover the cost of each fashion item for a month, then donate the other few thousand dollars per item to Japan relief, one month should do it) or a self defense course/ build your self esteem and confidence courses, or that eternity 10k diamond ring! ...again yep you're on the right track here...see how easy this ethical society is able to be achieved? Do you see them volunteering??... oh yes it's all "Them's" fault!!! Or if you were in glamour modeling or porn, a huge set of norks seems to increases your job opportunities’, so u could consider it an investment into your future career prospects!...maybe valid Worked for Krystal on big brother, Zoo mag’s main gal! Then there are situations such as the two girl friends i had and both at age 15, both had breast reductions as they were tiny girls and their boobs grew so big that they both look stupidly out of proportion, and then they also suffered back/neck/shoulder pain lugging them around, not to mention the unwanted attention in the school yard. Another friend in year 5, a beautiful smart girl, had the WORST flapper ears I have EVER seen, and of course she was not known for her beauty, brains and lovely personality around the school yard, instead she was called ‘Flapper.’ Then there was the ski jump nose girl and the Roman nose bump girl, they had surgery too, the roman nose is covered under Medicare too, there are absolutely no issues around health having a bump at the top of your nose either......yes there are times that even the simple boob job can be warranted as a health issue, whether due to breaking backs or a deep emotional issue BUT how many women with boob jobs had a mandatory psych assessment to see if it were indeed necessary? It's a pity that just a nice strong nose is covered under medicare but someone with no teeth has to eat with gums. Again I''m talking about needless surgery, I have a lot of friends considering and a few that have had a boob job and ALL of them have nice boobs (i've seen most in the flesh ). I just think it's so sad that they feel they need to change the beautiful body they were given. Now I know motherhood changes things and a few it ravages severely, again surgery is likely an option to consider. But now we have teenagers lining up for boob jobs just to get bigger boobs..Shit if a 17 year old girl can't be happy with her boobs at 17 then she's in for a lifetime of self doubt and pain!!!! Well at least they are not demanding to have a limb amputated because they know that it doesn’t belong to them and they want it cut off!! Then they can move on and live happily… Whether you consider that odd or not, acceptable or not, it is their obsession and seems affect them to such an extent that they can’t be happy in life. People get veneer teeth, fake hair, wigs, merkins, piercing, tatts, branding, stretch their earlobes, inject labia with saline to see what big balls feel like, born with 2 lots of sex organs your parents picking the wrong one and needing it changed back, others that r sure they are born in the wrong sexes body, suck blood from their partners because ‘they are vampires’… humans….. all different, your reality might not be deemed acceptable to others, does that mean it is wrong, and that you should be criticized for what makes you happy? Why do u single out plastic surgery? ... not just singled out but one of many things I am concerned about and pretty damn serious stuff to get cut up and undergo GA's and associated morbitities - it's one excess that is becoming way too socially accepted The carbon footprint on surgery wouldn’t be as high as trips around the world, buying boats, cars, motorbikes, weddings, lavish parties etc There are way more extravagant spends out there, in our society people do and spend money on all sorts of oddities!? Certain cultures mourn their dead every year and add yet another story of marble to a monument that just make people cry and feel sad? The Greeks have soooo many churches, the reason is that if you built a church in your village, it was a status symbol to how successful and well off u were, they have toooo many churches, most empty…. My previous opinion was the same as yours, I always thought elective surgery was for idiots, y put yourself up for sooo many risks? General anesthetic, staph infection, a doctor fucking it up, hating the result, dying! I honestly thought people were lunatics and what a barbaric practice for the sake of trend and fashion etc shallow fuckers…But then I went thru child birth and fuck me, that didn’t seem natural in any way ... how twisted it is when child birth isn't natural It is twisted because before you have one you don’t have a clear picture of how to keep it natural. Myself and other friends learnt the hard way. One intervention, leads to another, which leads to another and then all of a sudden there are complications. Our system, both public and private really do not explain the impact of the options and seem to suggest and push interventions, and not even let you know or not encourage you to take it slower and try to be totally natural, as the benefits are xyz, because of abc. None of us knew this stuff until after, and we all had drama… Puppy, so many opinions in areas you couldn’t possible understand, and these areas aren’t gonna wreck our planet! Are you just having fun, pushing my buttons, so I waste what spare time I have? I could be making ake a compost bin to recycle food scraps, or dig a bore to use to water the garden, or rip all my ‘pretty plants’ out and plant a veggie garden OR I could be door knocking and asking people to fill in a survey on what they do in their homes to help our future generations, and make them feel REALLY BAD… See our environmental problems are coming down to you here :p owwwwwwwwwwwww, then the recover, more owwwwwwww and then the not snapping back I guess it is even more owww (all worth the little perfect human, so there was good that did make it all worthwhile,............ SHOULDNT THIS BE THE POINT When you are out and about without the baby post birth, u feel compelled to put a sign around your neck saying, I have a new born, that is why I am this fat! Those feelings don’t go away coz bub is at home, you are still a separate person and people are critical, when u don’t look like u used to, I am not alone all my mates felt the same, at least we felt comfortable around each other and their partners who understood. but still…it doesn’t make me blind to what happened)!! It seems to be hit and miss with peeps, some always snap back, some first time yes, not second blah etc But we all feel how we feel about what has changed, and even thou I am too chicken for all the risk and pain, I think about it a lot, coz then I wouldn’t feel so shit, I’d feel good about myself again…. The media has brainwashed me maybe, or it is my preference, I dunno I can’t change how I feel. I haven’t heard anyone that is in love with the flaws of a post baby body either, only talk about how to and how long it will take to get back to what u were b4 or ‘they let themselves go’ it isn’t always that simple. Just check how brutal these forums are! ...yes horrible and again if we valued our mothers we wouldnt speak so harshly of them If u can’t hop into a person’s shoes, then it is ok to have your opinion, but it might not be right for all of society… We all are and think different, there is a shit load of variety of humans on our globe… plus linking one thing to the world’s problems is a little rich…...not linking just one thing but using it as an example of how silly we're getting - you've given ample other examples yourself it is similar to people finding out we are on this site, labeling us swingers and not be able to see us as anything but that, which is perverted, disgusting, disrespectful and we are all going to hell, it should be made illegal? If I lost my freedom of choice I’d be miserable. I don’t want anyone’s choices taken away from them if it isn’t causing suffering (sweat shop workers, killing elephants for tusks, stealing girls passports and forcing them into the sex trade... and forcing women to cut up their bodies to fit in societies ideal - oh no sorry this is a choice right?) Men and woman spend god knows how much in beauty salons, spas, hair dressers, with stylsts, shoppers, deportment classes, speech classes, people will do pretty much anything for vanity in society they always have. Fish eat the dead skin of feet, leaches do something else. People pay hundreds to be wrapped in mud, or they sit in a bath of it! This is just another thing that goes on the list, along with all the new procedures that exist to remove hair, blemishes, wrinkles, peel layers of skin off, to get new fresh skin. To some people, they want to try it all, lots of people are born vein narrisists and want to be ahead of the pack and will do anything for it. “Puppy says, Just DON’T DO IT!” I give up on this, we will NEVA agree I was on one of the plastic surgery forums and I do not believe anyone there was self centred, nor looking for silly ways to spend their money. Many woman post babies, like myself ended up with a completely different body to what you started with, nature can be cruel! ...it can be, some people are born deformed in such a way that they become social outcasts....in OUR world people are starting to become social outcasts because at 40 years of age they don't look like they are 20 anymore! And this I believe is mores so for woman than men, with the added pressure of being career driven/baby incubator/home maker/super model it is just getting harder to feel good about yourself sometimes trying to fit into societies hard questions and judgment. Some days u think fuck society, but then if u don’t play by the rules u could lose out of freedom and the ability to choose what you want and they way you want to live... not if we change the way society thinks! My boobs grew 3 sizes bigger, and only went back one size, so i have nearly two neck/shoulder/back massages a week coz the damm things are so heavy, i gave up breastfeeding at 6 months coz i just couldn’t endure the weight of them full of milk! Then on the otherside of the pregnancy coin there is my girlfriend, she has had two kids so far, her beautiful boobs (she is Swedish and topless bathing was totally normal, but not anymore...) her boobs are already resembling raisins, and after the two more she wants, she is totally considering getting some work done, after four children in you 30s boobs, belly and other parts of your new rearranged body can affect how u feel about yourselves, your esteem and happiness....I understand this and know Mrs Pup has the same fears. Wouldn't it be nice if our society valued its Mothers, put them on a pedestal instead of the hot, skinny, blonde 40yo that looks like she's 20? Yep and again I feel woman are in the spotlight more, I work mainly with men, and even thou many are nothing to look at, they are soo quick at rating any new female that may role up, EVERYTHING is judged, she has to like prove herself in every way, but a bloke just has to be easy going, and be able to do his job, tick! Not look what he is wearing today and your hair looked better yesterday and is she as good as the men in that role previously? Even if she is, she’ll neva be paid for it. Julia Gillard initially all the media attention was around her looks, none of the male PMs coped as much crap about their looks, and they weren’t lookers for the most part…...lookers...geez if John Howard can't get his teeth fixed then what hope do the average Australians have to stay out of dentures! So it is OK to get painful work done on ugly teeth? Hmmm But I have to say I love working with men coz it is all out and honest and done, whereas girls and a bunch of Queens are nasty and it is all whispering and plotting, the bigger the group the worse it is… My preference is always for a jumble of sexes and preferences, to balance things out! A lot of woman need to get their career sorted first these days, so they are having babies later and later and it really takes a toll on a body that isn’t as elastic as mum in her teens or 20s, which is the age that the body is designed to carry a baby....again the Pups are in this boat arrghhhH!!!! I am lucky that I wasn’t forced to work more days than I was willing to or be demoted because it was a full time job only, like my other girl friends at the same time and even the same company, the laws have loop holes and companies can pretty much do whatever. Hell if it was my company who would I want a full time single person focused on work as no.1 or a sleep deprived parent, that is gonna have a million sick days as the kids gets one sickness after another the second they start daycare! It seems like people’s favourite questions are, you in tomorrow? Ummmmm for the 94th week back, I am still working the same work pattern… and the comments of oh long work week again eh? Being part time you have to work twice as hard and fast and get treated worse (I know it isn’t intentional, but it what u have to deal with), whilst running on no sleep and one sickness after another, no one remembers that that had happened to them too, and they keep telling u that you aren’t looking after your health, there must be something REALLY wrong. So fucking annoying, it is FUCKING NORMAL!!!...should it be though? If we didn't want all the do dads and fads and shite then maybe we'd all have more time. Yes we have so little "Me" time that we replace this need with stuff or boobs or whatever to try and make ourselves feel better - again we're chasing our fuckin tails!!! I've worked my arse off to get to a successful point and now I can work a very long week and earn X dollars which would give me all of the riches I so desire (yes I could have that 300K car) BUT the more dollars you earn the less time and the more stress you usually have to endure. So my solution, I take X and I halve it and guess what, I have more time on my hands. I definitely can't afford all the luxuries I may want but really I don't need them. Now I feel blessed that through hard work I've been given the opportunity to do this, many people just don't get to this stage. But this ever increasing expectation of what we need to have to be successful is making it harder and harder for anyone to achieve. So I'm lucky, but should I just step over the rest and enjoy my hard earned wealth? Oh yes I will enjoy myself but I must, I just must try and give something back here and there - it'll make me feel good about myself (more so than better boobs on my wife) and I may just help someone less fortunate. So why don’t u give half of your income to this cause, I think bill gates gives half if his to charity? Don’t step on people?! The definition of success would be based on the goals that you have set for yourself, not everyone sets goals that high? A lot of people do not have career aspirations, they instead enjoy home life, sports, friends and their quality of life. Your opinions aren’t necessarily those of the rest of the population! My friend is a GP and she right from the beginning has never ever worked a day week, at the very start of her career, she choose life over ‘the norm for work’ she did 3 full days and 2 half days, she was very happy with that. Plus in our thriving industry of technology and media, a lot of the population earn a living now in the very critical public eye and their looks can be a huge variable in their employment, there are not a lot of people in those industries that wouldn’t feel the pressure to be the best they can be for their employment, as that is now part of your ‘resume’. ...again agreed and what a pity! There aren't many ugly daggy pop stars, and i don’t see many models with deep aging lines, blemished skin and hair moles on their face with saggy boobs on the cover of mags etc, or news readers with flapper ears and/or ski jump noses either (these types of peole are all on radio! kidding...)....how quickly we have sunk into stupidity, look at the pop stars of the 50's, 60's, 70's, and even 80's - my god there are some uglies in there. Oh yes we are moving in the right direction when our musicians need no talent or our reporters no intelligence all they need is to look good! So tell me what is excessive?...you've answered this question adequately yourself What isn’t in our western world after a bunch of years slogging your guts out at maccas, while you are at uni paying higher fees every year, you then finally get that career you have been working towards, and people look down on you for spoiling yourself, with a holiday, car, house, corrective surgery etc? ...Everyone should spoil themselves a little but to what extent? Just because someone CAN do something does it mean they SHOULD? A few people out there slog just as hard but choose thankless (and financially poor) careers that help people in true need. Do they not have the right to look down their roman nose at us just a little bit? No one has the right to look down their nose at anyone,... I agree but you justify plastic surgery so we all fit into a mould, surely there is no sense to surgery unless we look down our noses at those that dont do it! Build a bridge !!! the records broken here we are all made from flesh and blood, and I believe every person has something special about them, value they can add to someone’s life if they were given the opportunity, all people should be considered equal, but that isn’t quite the case for so many reasons. Actions can be analyzed many ways too, some people who are selfless like your example, may also want the family and kids etc But their passion is so strong that they have no time for the family, they slog their guts out for a cause that helps people they do not know and their flesh and blood are left wishing they were the ones in need? Therefore just coz this person COULD have a family, SHOULD that person have done that, when their passion was soo massive for a cause? ... I know many such people, as Kermit said "It's hard being green!" Should everyone be forced to maybe give a percentage of their income to a charity, ...YES or a 3rd world country ...YES or green initiatives...YES or be forced to work for not for profit/charity orgs for a year of their career? ...OH DEFINITELY YES!!! I said on another forum, anyone deemed to be choosing to go under surgery for vanity issues should have to work in a hospital in a developing country for just a week or two, I still have a little faith in humanity that they would come back with a different view!! Thank Christ, finished! I am never writing a post this long eva again! EVA! Now Boobs come over here and let me have a squeeze Maybe you just wanna strangle me now, coz it would’ve taken a fair bit of time to get down to the end of a topic that I still have no real clue about, what is right and wrong, as everything that was said, there is a reason for and against, bad idea now, great idea later… I guess if I remain open and not strongly opinionated on just the ‘one’ side, then maybe I’ll have a less stressful time of it? Hope so anyway?... strangle you? Not at all. I wanna give you a big hug (and hopefully a booby squeeze) Xxxx Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I am exhausted, maybe best I stick to sex topics from now on. I also gave up trying to read it thru to see if it made any real sense. Mental mum episode FINISHED!... ha I dont read over mine either as it'd drive me insane but for what it's worth I really enjoyed reading your post, even though Mrs Pup is now pissed as I've wasted a lovely morning!!!! Praise the Mum Xxxx Thank god, I made it to the end! I might actually get to do some of that green stuff now ;) Hope you pups had a nice run around in the sun, sniffed a few hot bums and had a roll around on the grass 2gether xxx
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Four to Five lines is as much as we can normally handle: Hippies in training for that great grey nomad Aussie caravaners hehe 60klm max speed on the open road towing! and a new sex partners every town. In the interest of reducing our carbon footprint! Flower Children from the 60-70ies.
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The change has to start somewhere. It is okay to say "How can we make a difference? We are only one family" One little twig on its own is easy to snap. A whole bunch together is difficult. If we all think that we cannot make a difference and do nothing, then no difference will be made. Yes we have all worked hard and should be entitled to reap the rewards for all that sacrifice while studying / raising kids / working shit jobs to get through. The answer is easy really. We all do what we can. Coles and Woolworths now have a fantastic range or organic produce and most of it is comparitively priced. It certainly tastes better. I still peruse the op shops. Not so much for clothing but for furniture and collectables. I refurnish many things. A while ago I purchased over a dozen pure wool blankets....for $8 each. I have an amazing colection of specific art deco dishes that are rising in value each week. I picked them up for 50 cents or so. Yes we are becoming increasingly time poor due to the pressures of work and the modern day lifestyle. I still cook my own meals, bake my own cakes and biscuits, make my own jams and even knit the occassional jumper for the kids out of pure wool. If we each undertake to just buy 80% of our food in the fresh food aisles the world...and our health will be far better off. If we use more greener methods of cleaning our houses and eliminated the causeof the odour instead of spraying chemicals around it would be better. Change can be as easy as teaching our kids to re-use, reduce recycle. All this talk about boobs and pre-childbirth bodies. I have large boobs and breast fed successfully, I have always wanted a boob reduction as I get sick of buying my trousers and skirts a size smaller than my tops and jackets. But I wont have the surgery. Our bodes are never going to be the same as they were before childbirth and no amount of surgery will make it happen. It is up to us. We are the ones who are raising the next generation. We are the ones setting the example. I feel fortunate that I can live on a third of an acre only two blocks from the CBD of my town and have the room for chooks and a vege patch...a few fruit trees. (Yes I do have a verandah out the front and a plum tree up the back...as it happens) Even growing a few herbs in a sunny windowsill in an inner city apartment is a start.
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Which hat should I put on first? Maybe that too is a sign of the times…how many hats do you need to have that fit before you have enough…or join that group of educated idiots that do earn a quid and happy to spend it. Equally contributory…be in this group and have children, then rather than spend time with them to help them understand what the quality of life is really all about, just shut them up and buy them whatever they saw advertised on the Disney Channel, Sex in the City or the Family Guy.|Parents don’t discipline their children any more by sending them to their rooms for the day…that’s like saying you broke the rules so lock yourself away and indulge in paradise lost, along with anything that looks like what should be the blush of your youth. PS…you forgot they also have wireless internet and the security to access youporn is that “yes/no” screen. That works…I know at 15 I would have clicked on “no”. Anything more substantial when they are told, no wait…that’s suggested, no one has the time anymore to back it up so all behaviour has consequence both good and bad but only when it does not violate the strangely enforceable Child’s Rights Act that they are now taught in school at an early age. I think I was born in the wrong generation…I used to have privileges not rights…and if I made a mess of things lost my privileges, even if it was just driving the family station wagon to the drive in movies on a date. No, the car wasn’t flash but thanks, mom..it had one hell of a back seat and the windows fogged up nicely. Those were the good old days though so maybe I am glad I had privileges and some responsibility to earn them.|Over-consuming…I will just plead out on no lo contender and although got over my fetish for things that go fast in the night with 4 wheels and massive screened mind warping devices in the lounge room, am sitting here working on one 24” digital monitor and typing this on the other. Shhh don’t tell but even the really good brands from Japan are now outsourcing to the new Japan in China. I remember when “Made in Japan” translated to caveat emptor but now head straight for brands like Sony, Samsung, Canon, Toyota and even my beloved Mitsubishi. Now if you can explain why our government decided that an economic stimulus package giving up just enough to buy a $900 flat screen from Japan helped anyone but Harvery Norman and JB…please tell me? Must have been China...as of the approximate 3 out of every 5 cars carrying the Rolls Royce logo are now sold there.|The economy…don’t even ask. We took the hit when the GFC did but now come the aftershocks in the global capital markets and the earthquake in Japan. Uh-oh…what are all those really great brands we know and love, let alone the fact that the Japanese economy owns about 6% or more of everything listed on the exchange on the street in New York. When we hit that Wall…I hope we are all ready for a few more tsunamis.|Plastic surgery...well, okay if your psychiatrist has said that's a better alternative than anti-depressants but I tend to think that a woman's body in particular is canvas that natures uses to paint the story of her life. Yes, the artful brush will touch you if you have brought a new life into this world. Perhaps I seem them as laugh lines rather than wrinkles or even like me...a sign that you have spent some time reading in dim light or chased around the mountains, deserts and other places on this earth when you should have been covered in zinc creme and wearing the best of sunnies. I just couldn't be bothered. Nature makes you beautiful regardless of your age. Hollywood makes you appear that way in spite of it. Unless of course you get a bad plastic surgeon or become addicted to it, but there is always a career for you in those new full feature length cartoons. | I am a guilty as anyone and maybe more. My real company car hopefully runs around on the ground with only three wheels touching and yes, it’s held behind a veil of corporate tax benefits, but still…and now it’s cheaper to fly commercial and only ego puts the Midnight in the air these days. Besides, we stole it on the early front end of the GFC from an over extended consumer and knew we had an immediate gain. Could be we should take the money and run for cover...and keep our heads out of the clouds.| If you really stop and think about it…was is it that we are going to walk away with and what do we really want to leave behind? A very wise man once told me…|“The best we can hope for is to make a good friends, invest in your memories, learn how to share laughter and leave a few footprints for those coming behind us that make their adventure a little easier and more enjoyable along the way”.|.I like that…and if I do manage to write a check that barely covers the cost of the huge party I hope they throw to celebrate what I left behind rather than defend or fight about it all in court…I would say I have played the game pretty well and will be quite happy to then begin the next adventure on the journey that never ends.|My apologies for the length of this post. I liked this topic and have just over-consumed both your time and the bandwidth on this site. Of course the BRW 500 predicts that one of the best investments in the next decade with be in companies that are developing advanced internet infrastructure so maybe I just helped raise the share price. |Thanks...I needed that!
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..well I started it so I have to give it my full attention so I'll come back to this in a day or two to read the new posts in their entiretyxxx
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Quoting 'BoobaliciousFG' Yeah Yeah Mr.Dickens it does appear that we should instead go out and get a life or do something worthwhile instead of just talking about it... But this has been fun :) It just accidently turned out this way, I haven't really gotten into the forums until recently and it was just strange to actually have so much to work through on this one, it has truly been quite relevant to me in the last year. A little sad it isn't anything to do with this site and sex? But oh well... Probably not appropriate for other readers having posts this long, but as not many people got into the topic Puppy and I took care of it lol! And here we go with round 3: ...woohoo, got my spectacles on... Your passion is worth bottling, but how are you going to infect people with the same passion and band them together?? ...haven't I started already ;) And once you’ve banded people together, then what? What is your plan? Again what are you proposing IN DETAIL, ...oh I'm not wanting to run the world (actually I probably do!!!) what needs to be done for it to be enough...can't say but everyone just trying to be just a little bit less self centred and a little bit more happy with their lots would help, what are the specifics of what you want changed? How to you then get our whole country to jump up and down about it enough so the government does what...the govt will do anything we want if we withhold our votes from them, what exactly is on your list?? This is the detail that I haven’t seen in your posts yet…? ... it's not up to me for the detail, it's up to US...who is us? friends, family, community, state, country, species, planet? I know I can control what I do and work on improving my actions in terms of respecting the planet more, as I can ultimately take control of my life choices. I could extend that to friends, family and work too. But I am not willing to drop my whole life for a cause... not asking you to drop your whole life, just to respect it and the fortunes and misfortunes in it, especially when there is no plan Pup! Are you willing to?... I have adjusted my life for a better balance. I earn less to achieve a work-life balance, I curb my material desires so I can achieve this..I understand I am fortunate that I can do this and know people in other situations can't even contemplate it...but there are a lot more than COULD that don't. Not blaming the government for the shadow economy, just stating that there are a lot of bent people in the world that don’t follow the basic rules of contributing by paying tax. What they do to people I don’t want to even try to imagine. They are powerful, dangerous and there is no chance of getting any help from them!? Any suggestions on how to disbanded mafia cartels and corrupt governments?! So how are you expecting to stop the people from using there illegal goods that they can’t get on the free market? Weapons, drugs, sex trade, smuggling all that nasty crap that is worth Trillions!!... so we just give up? Puppy you are reminding me of a Nike ad, you seem to just keep barking the same tune ‘Just do it!’ get people to ‘Just do it!’ Not very descriptive on how u r gonna influence that… I can't by myself babe I wonder if you have anything. What were you expecting to see in this forum? Again, your passion is magnificent, but where are the steps in your plan of attack for this new world revolution?? What is the first step Pup? You and me with a placard board strapped to our backs, riding push bikes round oz trying to get people to join us?... yes but we must ride naked! I'm only on step one and that is to air my concerns whenever and where ever I can. Not to just let people say crap and turn a blind eye. It's no revolution, people around the world fight their whole lives for a better world just for themselves and their families - a lot of these people are in such a bad position that they can't think about what effect they have on the greater world. The peasant cutting up old ships on the coast of India cannot be blamed fo the disaster...well who can? who shall we blame? Their govt? Our govt? Well how about we blame ourselves a little as it is our mass overconsumption that necessitates such disastrous activities. But hey it's easier to blame someone else.So what is my plan? Well if everyone took responsibility for their part in all the horrible shit that happens in this global economy of ours then each and every one of us might start to change their own ways...just a little bit at a time...we may suprise ourselves and find a better way? Funny that your example happened to be Sweden, one of my close friends is from Sweden and 4 years ago she moved to Australia as they were offering great benefit highly skilled work visa’s, she told me the perks, but I can’t remember wot they were exactly. But she and a lot of her Swedish mates, who are here, came here due to the fact that skilled workers can’t earn as much back home in Sweden, coz the tax man takes it! She wants four kids...want want want..she got her country's support to BECOME the highly skilled worker payed by her fellow countrymen then just because she only cares for her wants she ditches her responsibility of paying her dues to this country and fucks off to another country that she can rape for it's benefits to her wants. OK step 2 is sterilise selfish so and so's like this so they can't breed!!!! Harsh aren't I? Well I worked so bloody hard to get where I am and have only just started to get my head above the line, so should I just charge as much as I can to reap the highest income I possibly can..well I do an essential service and you and everyone else wants me to be cheaper...again some people have ETHICS and some people have no idea what that word means!, so she wanted to be in the best financial position that she could be, sounds pretty reasonable to me? ...sorry not to me - it's pure survival of the fittest and that is morally wrong - or should we eliminate anyone that is not beneficial to us? Plus just say it just so happened that the whole world adopted Sweden’s way, would people then maybe not strive for the top jobs? ...a lot of people want to be lawyers, doctors, politicians etc to actually do good and make a difference - hey maybe if we cut out the selfish people only doing the top jobs for monetary gain we'd actually get better people in the jobs? Again many of the top brains in the world go into science and research where there is very little money - without these people we wouldnt have to worry about all this shit as our life expectancy would still be in the 30's When they could have a pretty reasonable quality of life in a less stressful job? Would we start to have global skill shortages in certain areas? I like my job, but I accidently ended up in it due to market forces at the time, Y2K, and this IT/Business role paid double any other job I could get outta uni, so I thought, just a few months? I am sooo poor! Over a decade later, stayed coz I ended up liking it! But no way I woulda took the job if it wasn’t for the salary as I never imagined it as a role for me!... imagine if you like just what you might have done if you did it purely for the love of it and imagine if the wage difference wasn't so great...wouldn't this be a better world? ...choices choices choices...you say you are too time poor to care about the world and just have to fit in. So you love your job, it earns you lots of money and all the things it can buy you but you feel stressed at the lack of time you have to enjoy your family and friends? You're on the merry-go-round!!!! Yes, I am currently on the merry-go-round and I had a plan to get off, but that blew up in my face after 9 years of planning, you simply cannot predict human behaviour sometimes? Some things just don’t work out in life no matter how sure you are about it? Quick explanation: So I thought I had a had the perfect plan for my life and was hitting each and every goal, until the last one, and bamm perfect plan blown to a trillion pieces… I was with Mr.Boobs 9 years b4 baby boobs came, we both agreed that when we’d see some of the world, work hard, play hard, get setup first. Then when a baby boobs came, we’d not go all old school like our parents and do the traditional mama at home and papa working a million hours to PROVIDE, we were going to do it ‘our’ way, take both our feet off the corporate pedals and work part time and share the parenting,...... well that's our plan too...should I ditch it because it may not work? I don't think so..it's a great plan, wish me luck that it might work for us! plus do more time off to enjoy it especially for the first couple years, then do a sea change for a year to a developing country (my friends are in Vanuatu with 2 kids and have been doing an ATV bike tourist business for 6 months – that WAS MY DREAM!! They left Australia, I left Mr.Boobs…), we planned to keep variety in our lifestyle, not go get lost in the suburbs and do groundhog day for 30 years with separate roles and lives! The short of hoe it played out, baby Boob came, Mr.Boobs had 2 weeks off and we basically didn’t see him much until he was given the marching orders last March (he saw Baby Boobs on Saturdays and some of Sunday’s but defaulted parenting to me, and if on a weeknight he got home b4 8, it would usually only be one hour, so much for the shared roles, the worst was baby boobs didn’t have much of a bond, took months after to get there, hard and horrible. It was the craziest shit, he became a different person the minute she came out of my body! He became our parents...please shoot me if I become my father!, and to make it even better, it felt like I was married to his old school ma, lecturing me, instructing me, even following up that I was doing what she said...Oh my ma is a bewty though It took all my strength to not get violent on her ass, there was no changing her from where I sat. I warned and told Mr.Boobs ova anv ova that things had to change, he was deaf to it? ...sillt Mr Boobs Anymore time spent in that situation and I woulda gone to the insane asylum! Hence me being on the merry go round and being time poor, I have to do it all now, poof went the family dream! Which was going to be a balanced lifestyle for us for the first time... but we should all at least TRY shouldn't we?… Saw lots of others achieve it…. Grrrr So after a decade I am now Ms.No Plans and single with all sorts of baggage... I feel for you and maybe you can't be No.1 recruit in the New World Party but the more people that start looking around and helping others then the sooner they might notice you and introduce you to Mr Leaves Old Mr Boobs For Dead and you can get back onto the dream (that wasn’t on my goals list?! How did I get here?)! I don’t love my job, it is just a job and I just didn’t feel the need to go into a different industry I was comfy there, as I saw a future that suited me, it was fair work, fair hours for fair pay, fit in lots of life too. Mr.Boob’s job was give them your blood, be available 365 days/year, 24/7, cancel holidays or leave the family on the other side of the world for an emergency fly back and ‘do you really need to go to that funeral? Oh you do…could you leave early then?’ I was an idiot to believe that he was gonna control them and change his life overnight, it instead went worse the other way…...again I feel even more sorry for Mr Boobs as he's lost to this crap world and forever stuck on the merry go round I am not sure people would be too happy to give up our current freedom and our market place where we have a choice in available goods and services that are supplied due to what we actually want and demand....of course they wouldn't as "people" just don't give a shit about how much damage having every goodie and service available at a convenience store just down the road actually does! Actually I think a lot of people do care, but when it comes to food but certain green/healthy commodities are priced out of their range, fresh, nutritious meals are constantly going up in price and were already so much more expensive than poor quality foods. ...yes the lovely organic stuff is ridiculously priced but if we stop eating Maccas and demand goes up for good stuff then more resources go into producing more and hey there's more good stuff out there - supply is up and prices down! Now I know if I go to a upper crust suburban Woolies on a monday they have great specials on all the good stuff that those rich folks didn't hovel down over the weekend - the 1.5kg organic marinated roast I had the other day was beautiful and only $10 thank you very much!!! My point is that the mass advertising gets into peoples heads from all the franchised places, their sponsorship and charity causes, it isn’t easy for society to be cut off, how do u propose it is done Mr. ‘Just do it! Plus I am not sure Monday shopping will solve the price problems for the less fortunate, you are a funny one!...bugger I went back to the same shop on monday and no cheap organic meat...bugger..what I did check out though is the used by dates and I'm gonna try and get back the day before the meat is out of date and score me another tasty morsel. OK Mr Just Do It would ban all such advertising..dead easy really..oh but we just can't you might say? Why not! Healthy foods are harder to find in some regions, Monsivais said. They also tend to require preparation and skill -- another roadblock for some consumers. the gap between the price of healthy and unhealthy food is growing larger, The most nutrient-dense category saw a 30 percent price increase between 2004 and 2008. The price of items in the least healthy category only increased 16 percent.... you are what you eat...again let's all give up or maybe we learn how to cook???? Puppy and GirlTuesday, you two may not be in the market for a nip and a tuck ...oh if I look at what we all expect the I should be first in line for massive nips and tucks (but like you mentioned you maybe in the market for cars or say holidays, new homes, new technologies, whatever can be bought etc etc subscriptions to RHP, a laptop, an internet account, and electricity account etc). But plastic surgery is not a legitimate service to spend money on? This might be your opinion, and that is fine. But other people are entitled to a different one, doesn’t mean it is wrong? ...you are right but I am more having a dig at our need to undergo needless surgery purely for vanity's sake - every surgery takes up hospital time that could be used for more important people, you know the ones that are say dying and stuff!!! Now maybe frivolous surgeries could give hospital coffers an injection but I have a suspicion that the profits go into the pockets of the surgeons and there would be a residual cost borne by the tax payer??? Vanity these days more than eva, is a commodity... and it shouldnt be, so some see it as an investment for particular careers...very few are valid, therefore there are more people doing it to keep up their employment opportunities, therefore the pressure to look good increases even if it is for nothing other than to just not be left behind! Our public eye is brutal, these forums a brutal. So if there is a pill for it, or a surgery for it, people will weigh up the opportunity cost and for some, they would never say they made the wrong decision ... so we accept how fucked up this is and go with it? Over the centuries humans have and still do far more barbaric practices, female circumcisions, with a dirty knife outside in a village, if they don’t die from infection, then they just get to enjoy painful sex for the rest of their lives. ...I was going to use this as an example before too but just dont like thinking about it....but really a society that pressures it's women to feel inadequate and "choose" to cut them selves up (cosmetic surgery sounds much nicer eh), well is this more moral than female circumcision? what really is the difference? In the end it's pretty much MEN saying WOMEN need to damage themselves Tribes all over the world have very painful rituals that people are proud to take part in to become a man or a woman. If you compare plastic surgery to other cultures ‘trends’ you may find, that it is one of the less risky options. No one is asking you to have anything done... I'm sure if you asked a lot of women who have femal circumcision they would say they chose it too as a part of their custom. People are entitled to make their own choices in life...what makes us a society or community is that we don't have 100% freedom of choice but we have laws and morals that limit freedom of choice for the good of the community. Complete freedom of choice means who are you to say tell a pedophile his choice is wrong? Again so bloody obviously wrong but if you got a room full of pedophiles together they would all think they are quite normal eh? , you aren’t them, why should your opinion count more than them... fact of life some people just can't make the right choices! Build a bridge it is a free market and it is legal...and who is to say what one govt considers legal is then freedom of choice. I read recently that Japan was considering reducing the age of consent to 12 or 13 - so if this is legal then is it right???? THis is exactly why we need to stand up and shout when we think things are going wrong. People have been doing absurd things for centuries to try and look this way or that. This is just another crazy option ...YES some are willing to take as current society ‘norms’ portrayed thru mass media just wear people down and make them feel like shit and if they would rather go thru something to have one thing less to worry about and increase confidence and esteem, then so be it. ...so let's all give in to complete freedom...um that's called anarchy Why don’t we try the equation again: Plastic Surgery = increasing a person’s confidence, happiness for either personal, health or career reasons = successful, focused and passionate people = an understanding in what it is like to suffer (somehow, It may not be big for one person, but could be a huge mental issue for another?) and now have the ability to give a little back to help others become happy somehow, pay it forward Even if that sounds like total utter dogs bollix ...hehe yes!, my main point is (and what I live by), the oxygen mask theory - on an airplane, you must put your own mask on first; otherwise you won't be able to effectively take care of anyone else. I’d like to add, that is with the intend to want to help others, there are always gonna be selfish fuckers in this world that are only ever about themselves and would sit back and let others suffer and just watch!...yes and it seems really from all you say that any effort not to be one of them is futile so we all should and we all are becoming the selfish fucker!!! No, I just meant to enable a person to be capable of helping others to the best of their ability, they first need to attend to their own needs, if you don’t look after yourself, ie. Put steps in place to be healthy ... cosmetic surgery does not make one healthier!!! and happy, then you will end up needing the help instead of giving any. And for 9 people that are willing, there will always be someone who could care less, it is just fact, we are all different! For them this service can maybe improve their self esteem...exactly my point, how wrong is it that anyone has to feel they need to be cut up as they are not worthy of respect unless they look like someone else!!!!!!! Why do u single out plastic surgery? ... not just singled out but one of many things I am concerned about and pretty damn serious stuff to get cut up and undergo GA's and associated morbitities - it's one excess that is becoming way too socially accepted The carbon footprint on surgery wouldn’t be as high as trips around the world, buying boats, cars, motorbikes, weddings, lavish parties etc ... if speaking purely cost versus benefit then cosmetic surgery fails dismally..wasted surgery time (people are dying waiting for a bed you know), wasted expertise - lots of people with gross disfigurements cant get access to surgery and carbon..well who do you think is flying first class around the world..the damn Boob Surgeons that's who!!! There are way more extravagant spends out there, in our society people do and spend money on all sorts of oddities!? Certain cultures mourn their dead every year and add yet another story of marble to a monument that just make people cry and feel sad? The Greeks have soooo many churches, the reason is that if you built a church in your village, it was a status symbol to how successful and well off u were, they have toooo many churches, most empty…. My previous opinion was the same as yours, I always thought elective surgery was for idiots, y put yourself up for sooo many risks? General anesthetic, staph infection, a doctor fucking it up, hating the result, dying! I honestly thought people were lunatics and what a barbaric practice for the sake of trend and fashion etc shallow fuckers…But then I went thru child birth and fuck me, that didn’t seem natural in any way ... how twisted it is when child birth isn't natural It is twisted because before you have one you don’t have a clear picture of how to keep it natural. Myself and other friends learnt the hard way. One intervention, leads to another, which leads to another and then all of a sudden there are complications. Our system, both public and private really do not explain the impact of the options and seem to suggest and push interventions, and not even let you know or not encourage you to take it slower and try to be totally natural, as the benefits are xyz, because of abc. None of us knew this stuff until after, and we all had drama… Puppy, so many opinions in areas you couldn’t possible understand, and these areas aren’t gonna wreck our planet! Are you just having fun, pushing my buttons... not at all, I hope you take this as a two way intelligent conversation..maybe ridiculous to have it here but people don't have to read it if they dont want to hey!, so I waste what spare time I have? I could be making ake a compost bin to recycle food scraps, or dig a bore to use to water the garden, or rip all my ‘pretty plants’ out and plant a veggie garden OR I could be door knocking and asking people to fill in a survey on what they do in their homes to help our future generations, and make them feel REALLY BAD… See our environmental problems are coming down to you here :p ...haha nooo flowers are natures pretty things, keep em and look at them not the fake boobies :) owwwwwwwwwwwww, then the recover, more owwwwwwww and then the not snapping back I guess it is even more owww (all worth the little perfect human, so there was good that did make it all worthwhile,............ SHOULDNT THIS BE THE POINT When you are out and about without the baby post birth, u feel compelled to put a sign around your neck saying, I have a new born, that is why I am this fat! Those feelings don’t go away coz bub is at home, you are still a separate person and people are critical, when u don’t look like u used to, ... again it's wrong wrong wrong and these people are the ones we need to change I am not alone all my mates felt the same, at least we felt comfortable around each other and their partners who understood. but still…it doesn’t make me blind to what happened)!! It seems to be hit and miss with peeps, some always snap back, some first time yes, not second blah etc But we all feel how we feel about what has changed, and even thou I am too chicken for all the risk and pain, I think about it a lot, coz then I wouldn’t feel so shit, I’d feel good about myself again…. The media has brainwashed me maybe, or it is my preference, I dunno I can’t change how I feel. I haven’t heard anyone that is in love with the flaws of a post baby body either, only talk about how to and how long it will take to get back to what u were b4 or ‘they let themselves go’ it isn’t always that simple. Just check how brutal these forums are! ...yes horrible and again if we valued our mothers we wouldnt speak so harshly of them If u can’t hop into a person’s shoes, then it is ok to have your opinion, but it might not be right for all of society… We all are and think different, there is a shit load of variety of humans on our globe… plus linking one thing to the world’s problems is a little rich…...not linking just one thing but using it as an example of how silly we're getting - you've given ample other examples yourself it is similar to people finding out we are on this site, labeling us swingers and not be able to see us as anything but that, which is perverted, disgusting, disrespectful and we are all going to hell, it should be made illegal? If I lost my freedom of choice I’d be miserable. I don’t want anyone’s choices taken away from them if it isn’t causing suffering (sweat shop workers, killing elephants for tusks, stealing girls passports and forcing them into the sex trade... and forcing women to cut up their bodies to fit in societies ideal - oh no sorry this is a choice right?) Men and woman spend god knows how much in beauty salons, spas, hair dressers, with stylsts, shoppers, deportment classes, speech classes, people will do pretty much anything for vanity in society they always have. Fish eat the dead skin of feet... oh but that feels so nice!, leaches do something else. People pay hundreds to be wrapped in mud, or they sit in a bath of it! This is just another thing that goes on the list, along with all the new procedures that exist to remove hair, blemishes, wrinkles, peel layers of skin off, to get new fresh skin. To some people, they want to try it all, lots of people are born vein narrisists... very few actually but more and more are becoming hooked on narcissism as a fashion and want to be ahead of the pack and will do anything for it. “Puppy says, Just DON’T DO IT!” I give up on this, we will NEVA agree I was on one of the plastic surgery forums and I do not believe anyone there was self centred, nor looking for silly ways to spend their money. Many woman post babies, like myself ended up with a completely different body to what you started with, nature can be cruel! ...it can be, some people are born deformed in such a way that they become social outcasts....in OUR world people are starting to become social outcasts because at 40 years of age they don't look like they are 20 anymore! And this I believe is mores so for woman than men, with the added pressure of being career driven/baby incubator/home maker/super model it is just getting harder to feel good about yourself sometimes trying to fit into societies hard questions and judgment. Some days u think fuck society, but then if u don’t play by the rules u could lose out of freedom and the ability to choose what you want and they way you want to live... not if we change the way society thinks! My boobs grew 3 sizes bigger, and only went back one size, so i have nearly two neck/shoulder/back massages a week coz the damm things are so heavy, i gave up breastfeeding at 6 months coz i just couldn’t endure the weight of them full of milk! Then on the otherside of the pregnancy coin there is my girlfriend, she has had two kids so far, her beautiful boobs (she is Swedish and topless bathing was totally normal, but not anymore...) her boobs are already resembling raisins, and after the two more she wants, she is totally considering getting some work done, after four children in you 30s boobs, belly and other parts of your new rearranged body can affect how u feel about yourselves, your esteem and happiness....I understand this and know Mrs Pup has the same fears. Wouldn't it be nice if our society valued its Mothers, put them on a pedestal instead of the hot, skinny, blonde 40yo that looks like she's 20? Yep and again I feel woman are in the spotlight more, I work mainly with men, and even thou many are nothing to look at, they are soo quick at rating any new female that may role up, EVERYTHING is judged, she has to like prove herself in every way, but a bloke just has to be easy going, and be able to do his job, tick! Not look what he is wearing today and your hair looked better yesterday and is she as good as the men in that role previously? Even if she is, she’ll neva be paid for it. Julia Gillard initially all the media attention was around her looks, none of the male PMs coped as much crap about their looks, and they weren’t lookers for the most part…...lookers...geez if John Howard can't get his teeth fixed then what hope do the average Australians have to stay out of dentures! So it is OK to get painful work done on ugly teeth? Hmmm...umm last time I checked you need teeth to masticate....those ugly things are there for a purpose...ooops no i forgot they are just there to whiten after you have the boob job to complete the perfect picture right? But I have to say I love working with men coz it is all out and honest and done, whereas girls and a bunch of Queens are nasty and it is all whispering and plotting, the bigger the group the worse it is… My preference is always for a jumble of sexes and preferences, to balance things out! A lot of woman need to get their career sorted first these days, so they are having babies later and later and it really takes a toll on a body that isn’t as elastic as mum in her teens or 20s, which is the age that the body is designed to carry a baby....again the Pups are in this boat arrghhhH!!!! I am lucky that I wasn’t forced to work more days than I was willing to or be demoted because it was a full time job only, like my other girl friends at the same time and even the same company, the laws have loop holes and companies can pretty much do whatever. Hell if it was my company who would I want a full time single person focused on work as no.1 or a sleep deprived parent, that is gonna have a million sick days as the kids gets one sickness after another the second they start daycare! It seems like people’s favourite questions are, you in tomorrow? Ummmmm for the 94th week back, I am still working the same work pattern… and the comments of oh long work week again eh? Being part time you have to work twice as hard and fast and get treated worse (I know it isn’t intentional, but it what u have to deal with), whilst running on no sleep and one sickness after another, no one remembers that that had happened to them too, and they keep telling u that you aren’t looking after your health, there must be something REALLY wrong. So fucking annoying, it is FUCKING NORMAL!!!...should it be though? If we didn't want all the do dads and fads and shite then maybe we'd all have more time. Yes we have so little "Me" time that we replace this need with stuff or boobs or whatever to try and make ourselves feel better - again we're chasing our fuckin tails!!! I've worked my arse off to get to a successful point and now I can work a very long week and earn X dollars which would give me all of the riches I so desire (yes I could have that 300K car) BUT the more dollars you earn the less time and the more stress you usually have to endure. So my solution, I take X and I halve it and guess what, I have more time on my hands. I definitely can't afford all the luxuries I may want but really I don't need them. Now I feel blessed that through hard work I've been given the opportunity to do this, many people just don't get to this stage. But this ever increasing expectation of what we need to have to be successful is making it harder and harder for anyone to achieve. So I'm lucky, but should I just step over the rest and enjoy my hard earned wealth? Oh yes I will enjoy myself but I must, I just must try and give something back here and there - it'll make me feel good about myself (more so than better boobs on my wife) and I may just help someone less fortunate. So why don’t u give half of your income to this cause, I think bill gates gives half if his to charity? Don’t step on people... I dont step on people, I step on the ideals our society is accepting as normal. You say we'll never agree but we seem to agree completely it what we choose at the end of it that differs. To continue wanting things to be better or to give up. ?! The definition of success would be based on the goals that you have set for yourself, not everyone sets goals that high? A lot of people do not have career aspirations, they instead enjoy home life, sports, friends and their quality of life. Your opinions aren’t necessarily those of the rest of the population! My friend is a GP and she right from the beginning has never ever worked a day week, at the very start of her career, she choose life over ‘the norm for work’ she did 3 full days and 2 half days, she was very happy with that. Plus in our thriving industry of technology and media, a lot of the population earn a living now in the very critical public eye and their looks can be a huge variable in their employment, there are not a lot of people in those industries that wouldn’t feel the pressure to be the best they can be for their employment, as that is now part of your ‘resume’. ...again agreed and what a pity! There aren't many ugly daggy pop stars, and i don’t see many models with deep aging lines, blemished skin and hair moles on their face with saggy boobs on the cover of mags etc, or news readers with flapper ears and/or ski jump noses either (these types of peole are all on radio! kidding...)....how quickly we have sunk into stupidity, look at the pop stars of the 50's, 60's, 70's, and even 80's - my god there are some uglies in there. Oh yes we are moving in the right direction when our musicians need no talent or our reporters no intelligence all they need is to look good! So tell me what is excessive?...you've answered this question adequately yourself What isn’t in our western world after a bunch of years slogging your guts out at maccas, while you are at uni paying higher fees every year, you then finally get that career you have been working towards, and people look down on you for spoiling yourself, with a holiday, car, house, corrective surgery etc? ...Everyone should spoil themselves a little but to what extent? Just because someone CAN do something does it mean they SHOULD? A few people out there slog just as hard but choose thankless (and financially poor) careers that help people in true need. Do they not have the right to look down their roman nose at us just a little bit? No one has the right to look down their nose at anyone,... I agree but you justify plastic surgery so we all fit into a mould, surely there is no sense to surgery unless we look down our noses at those that dont do it! Build a bridge !!! the records broken here ... huh? we are all made from flesh and blood, and I believe every person has something special about them, value they can add to someone’s life if they were given the opportunity, all people should be considered equal, but that isn’t quite the case for so many reasons. Actions can be analyzed many ways too, some people who are selfless like your example, may also want the family and kids etc But their passion is so strong that they have no time for the family, they slog their guts out for a cause that helps people they do not know and their flesh and blood are left wishing they were the ones in need? Therefore just coz this person COULD have a family, SHOULD that person have done that, when their passion was soo massive for a cause? ... I know many such people, as Kermit said "It's hard being green!" Should everyone be forced to maybe give a percentage of their income to a charity, ...YES or a 3rd world country ...YES or green initiatives...YES or be forced to work for not for profit/charity orgs for a year of their career? ...OH DEFINITELY YES!!! I said on another forum, anyone deemed to be choosing to go under surgery for vanity issues should have to work in a hospital in a developing country for just a week or two, I still have a little faith in humanity that they would come back with a different view!! Thank Christ, finished! I am never writing a post this long eva again! EVA! Now Boobs come over here and let me have a squeeze Maybe you just wanna strangle me now, coz it would’ve taken a fair bit of time to get down to the end of a topic that I still have no real clue about, what is right and wrong, as everything that was said, there is a reason for and against, bad idea now, great idea later… I guess if I remain open and not strongly opinionated on just the ‘one’ side, then maybe I’ll have a less stressful time of it? Hope so anyway?... strangle you? Not at all. I wanna give you a big hug (and hopefully a booby squeeze) Xxxx Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I am exhausted, maybe best I stick to sex topics from now on. I also gave up trying to read it thru to see if it made any real sense. Mental mum episode FINISHED!... ha I dont read over mine either as it'd drive me insane but for what it's worth I really enjoyed reading your post, even though Mrs Pup is now pissed as I've wasted a lovely morning!!!! Praise the Mum Xxxx Thank god, I made it to the end! I might actually get to do some of that green stuff now ;) Hope you pups had a nice run around in the sun, sniffed a few hot bums and had a roll around on the grass 2gether xxx We all have times in our life where things go to shit and I understand your time has been more recent so I can understand that the baggage is ruling your thoughts. It's lucky we all dont go through the bad stuff at the same time else we'd all give up at the same time and be stuffed. Boobs I hope the yellow brick road is just around the corner for you and you find the path to happiness and I hope you'll be there with some encouraging words when fate next deals me a hard blow.Come for a run in the sun with us, we'll gladly sniff your bits tooxxx
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15 years ago
Quoting 'fionabee' The change has to start somewhere. It is okay to say "How can we make a difference? We are only one family" One little twig on its own is easy to snap. A whole bunch together is difficult. If we all think that we cannot make a difference and do nothing, then no difference will be made. Yes we have all worked hard and should be entitled to reap the rewards for all that sacrifice while studying / raising kids / working shit jobs to get through. The answer is easy really. We all do what we can.... OK these few lines almost sum up what I'm about..the only thing I'd add is that we all SHOULD do what we can but more and more of us SEEM not to be pulling our weight. I'm not expecting people who are caught at the bottom of the many pits to put all their energy into making the world a better place. I'm talking to the ones who have got out of the pit to do what they can. And I think if you can really afford to spend tens of thousands of dollars on purely cosmetic surgery then you are deeming yourself out of the pit so STOP think about what is real and necessary in the world and CHOSE to do something better. Love the body you're in and then maybe as a society we can love more of the bodies around us and not put so much pressure to be the vision of perfection???? Coles and Woolworths now have a fantastic range or organic produce and most of it is comparitively priced. It certainly tastes better. I still peruse the op shops. Not so much for clothing but for furniture and collectables. I refurnish many things. A while ago I purchased over a dozen pure wool blankets....for $8 each. I have an amazing colection of specific art deco dishes that are rising in value each week. I picked them up for 50 cents or so. Yes we are becoming increasingly time poor due to the pressures of work and the modern day lifestyle. I still cook my own meals, bake my own cakes and biscuits, make my own jams and even knit the occassional jumper for the kids out of pure wool. If we each undertake to just buy 80% of our food in the fresh food aisles the world...and our health will be far better off. If we use more greener methods of cleaning our houses and eliminated the causeof the odour instead of spraying chemicals around it would be better. Change can be as easy as teaching our kids to re-use, reduce recycle. All this talk about boobs and pre-childbirth bodies. I have large boobs and breast fed successfully, I have always wanted a boob reduction as I get sick of buying my trousers and skirts a size smaller than my tops and jackets. But I wont have the surgery. Our bodes are never going to be the same as they were before childbirth and no amount of surgery will make it happen. It is up to us. We are the ones who are raising the next generation. We are the ones setting the example. I feel fortunate that I can live on a third of an acre only two blocks from the CBD of my town and have the room for chooks and a vege patch...a few fruit trees. (Yes I do have a verandah out the front and a plum tree up the back...as it happens) Even growing a few herbs in a sunny windowsill in an inner city apartment is a start. ...ohh we love plums, better watch out for Pups in your backyard stealing your plums!!!
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RHP User
15 years ago
Ohh Chasing Midnight, words like those make me weak at the knees. Now before you go getting excited it's Mr Pup here not the one with the hot bum! With guys with intelligence, wit and hot bums like you and stalky around here I might be tempted to jump ships one day...haha who am I kidding no one will take my attention away from Mrs Pups hot bum even if it isn't quite as hot as it was when she was 20!!!!
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RHP User
15 years ago
Yeah I am a little bitter and twisted at the moment, but am in the process of straightening myself out (mentally anyway)... thank you for your kind words You two sound like you are in good stead for your future 2gether and with more puppies coming into the picture down the track (i have been dreaming about puppies lately?! weird huh? I love puppies...i met my staffie when she was 2 days old, she looked like a guinea pig! anyway...). I am sure your experience will be wonderful as you have thought about life so much already, as long as you can keep this level of communication up, nothing should stop you from achieving the balance that you are after, with the understanding of what you can both handle within your comfort zones. I am an expert at baby showers now, just tell me when? lol!! xoxo
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RHP User
15 years ago
I've loved your open and honest thoughts and sure I feel some of the bitterness but it's also apparent there's a great woman behind it so I'm pretty sure you'll come out on top too. Well our challenge at the moment is to get the puppies in the oven....too much planning and we're hoping we haven't left our run late....then you'll see the bitter me!!!!Oh you have absolutely made my day seeing your muff burger
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