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Text Speak for Dummies.
June 11 2011
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RHP User
15 years ago
Reading an email with correct spelling and punctuation is a big turn on. Proper use of words shows that the other person has taken the time and put some thought into the message , even if it is only asking for a root. Nuthn worse thn gettn a msg with shrtnd txt and havn to re read the whole thng to make sense of it.. n
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RHP User
15 years ago
Totally agree with you! If they communicate in txt speak one wonders how they would communicate face to face? Pusscat xxx
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RHP User
15 years ago
is ok when sending a text..i use it frequently when texting, text speak saves the cost of sending a lenghty message and paying for 2 or 3 messages, but it would depend on who I am sending the text to, I couldn't get away with "hey ma c u 2 moro in da a.m ily :) dare say my mother would be like WTF?! IDK WTF U tlkn bout stupid illiterate girl ROFLMAO. But text speak is very draining to read and comprehend at times, it is annoying to have to ask for clarification on the "monkey jibber funky text speak" But this lady may be used to communicating with men your age in this style and thought that you would appreciate it, or she may be self concious of her lack of good grammer and spelling, who knows...I can understand why you would be annoyed, I get very annoyed with the use of the word "Discete" instead of "Discreet" and people who say "Pacific" when they mean to say "Specific" If you would like a laugh Supernatural_man, go to a website called damn you autocorrect. It contain screen shots of real text messages sent by iPhone users..maybe your lady friend had this issue.
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RHP User
15 years ago
I think I have splinters in my bottom from the fence-sitting I'm doing on this one! I actually see some very valid points in both Supernatural_Man's post and in Chilli's response. I agree with what both of you are saying ... .. Text speak absolutely does my head in, however I have been known to use it in text messages for the purpose with which it was intended. However, I am a spelling and grammar nazi and no amount of trying to desensitise myself to this growing trend will change that. However, times are changing and this is the age of the smart phone, the internet, the abbreviated word *shrug* . I try very hard not to judge a person's character or intelligence by their use of text speak, but I still believe it is a tad lazy. As a lover of the English language - the reading, writing, speaking and interpretation of it - I would perhaps be guilty of thinking we are not likely to be all that compatable if you were to send me a message (especially a first, introductory one) using text speak. . Flirty x
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RHP User
15 years ago
i no wot u mean andy.If I receive message all in text speak I think....hmmmm.....they cannot take the little extra time to catch my attention with words....does that reflect how they will be in person and how they approach foreplay?
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RHP User
15 years ago
Text speak...or 'txt spk' as it's also referred to nowadays, is my biggest pet peeve. It's just downright fucking lazy!! I mean, I can understand a little if it's coming from an 18 yr old, 'tryn 2 b kewl'. But from 30 and 40 year olds too?? And theres nothing quite like the crappy feeling of sitting down, spending a bit of time typing out a decent msg to someone in full, punctually correct (cmon...you don't have to be the best speller in the world, but theres a friggin inbuilt dictionary on here!!), and with effort...only to get back something along the lines of "oh hai yeh u sound kewl as well so umm yeh if u wnna meet den dat wld b swt lol".....fuck. Thats an instant deal breaker for me...I could rant all day about it (honestly i could...just ask a couple of my friends on here whom I've had the conversation about this with!), but at the end of the day, theres nothing sexier than a woman who appreciates having a brain, and loving to show and use it... Oh, and Chilli, as long as you keep your txt speak on your iphone and off here, you'll still have me drooling over that intelligent little mind of yours for a long time to come...
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'HotSexyChilli'an i so glad 2 c u stil b droolg ova my sxy hed coz i wld b devast8d 2 hav lost ur luv n respct KD mwahBAHAHAHA....oh god you're a dork! A sexy, intelligent dork, but a dork nonetheless. xx
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RHP User
15 years ago
And has. Gone all night. About shitful grammar and lazy messagers ... and poor spellers.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Gone ON all night *eyeroll* Typos at the most inopportune time are my specialty! *giggle*
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RHP User
15 years ago
You could've just left it at the first one!!!! I would've taken that boost! Can we just publicise it anyway?? KD x
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'caitsidhe' If you would like a laugh Supernatural_man, go to a website called damn you autocorrect. It contain screen shots of real text messages sent by iPhone users..maybe your lady friend had this issue. Literally crying - can't breathe for laughing - soooo funny.... Thanks for that Oh and Supernatural_Man - I think I love you... Emails with real sentences and punctuation and spelling turn me on...
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RHP User
15 years ago
That non-sense text speak really came into it's own about the time the guy that gave us :-) sent it in an email, but at least it never started it's virulent breeding until mobile phones...and more so as the original ones had those damn keys that you either had to hit several times to find one letter or better still had the intuitive type override turned on...that was just freaking gr8. | A little of it from a friend, say substituting u for you is not all that bad...but trying to figure out a whole message in that crap? No thanks, but if you like we can use unicode ... | ☞ ♀ ☞ ♂ = ☺ | ...now that, I understand.
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RHP User
15 years ago
I understand most text speak as I get and receive many of them each day from the teenagers in my care. When I trext back using normal correct English many times they do not understand what I am saying. Oh and they do use text speak when talking to each other. I often here them say 'lol' or 'Ily" to each other and also to me. In years to come when watching a comedy I can imagine all the kids just saying 'lol' or 'rflmao' instead of actually laughing. To some degree we all use some forms of text speak. English is a living language and like any living thing it is constantly evolving. It needs to in order to keep up with todays world. Imagine the confusion 100 years ago if people started using words like computer, internet, google it, even microwave, television, cassette, DVD. All the things we take for granted were not in the English language then and now when I talk about a cassette tape or worse, a record player...the kids look at me like I am from another planet. These are things they do not know about. They are now obsolete. I do agree that there is a time and place for everything and I do get a little put out when an initial message is all in text speak. I have also seen kids at university wonder why they get a fail mark on an assignment when it is all done in text speak. Like it or not, text speak is here to stay and those that hate it, refuse to understand it or ridicule those that use it are the ones that will eventually be left behind. You remind me of the old aged pensioner standing at the bank tellers window because they can not understand how an ATM works. Hey, they learnt.....in the end. So as annoying as it may be...suck it up princesses...it is now a part of your life!
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RHP User
15 years ago
LOL
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'HotSexyChilli' I'm highly amused that you make assumptions based on a person's choice of media and particularly that you'd erroneously reject a person on such a faulty premise.Yes, I've read the reports on the detrimental effect text speak is having on the human language and literacy, but I've also read about the evolution (or maybe devolution) of all languages over time as meanings change as the centuries march on. Why alienate yourself from the people you live alongside? Actually, there have been a few studies coming out stating that kids who use text speak have a better grasp of language than those who don't. The consensus was that in order to pick up a second language, they must have some linguistic ability. (For those who don't believe that it's a language, Google "german text abbreviations" and you'll find that many of the same terms are used by speakers of other native languages.) It's perhaps not the most apt analogy ever, but few would suggest that if a significant percentage of the world's population learned French, English would suffer as a result.I don't use text speak myself and I'd be turned off by a first contact that relied on it too heavily, but it's a personal preference, not an age thing. I watched the internet roll out in the early 90's and worked in that domain for 20 years, so text speak didn't take me by surprise. To each, their own...
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RHP User
15 years ago
Extra points, Supernatural_Man for mentioning 1984. I also made the connection between txt spk and Newspeak. I found it equally ironic and terrifying that it wasn't a totalitarian government that simplified the language so that the Proles can't discuss dissent. It was the Proles themselves. Aldous Huxley wrote Brave New World Revisited commenting on some of the "predictions" he made in Brave New World that came to pass in one way or another. I wonder what George Orwell would have written in 1984 Revisited had he lived long enough? . I don't like txt spk either and would also be turned off by receiving a message in that language. I wouldn't bother to meet with the person because I'd have such a clear indication that we wouldn't get on at all. Not necessarily argumentative, it'd be much more likely we just wouldn't click at all. . But I try to keep in mind that it's a preference of mine. I'm sure I alienate as many people with my unintentionally pompous language and long posts. I try not to see it like I'm "better" than folks who write in txt spk all the time. I'm just different. And different is OK.
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RHP User
15 years ago
There are still many people on this site that agree with you and appreciate a well thought out and crafted piece of written communication. I consider myself to be one of them and like to think that I compose somewhat decent messages, yet I'm not nearly so talented with my prose as some. For me a well written message shows an intelligent mind. Intelligence can often be associated with open mindedness, creativeness, tolerance, understanding and a willingness to explore. Of course this isn't always the case but I've found it often to be true. An intelligent woman is a sexy woman and there are a few brains out there in forum land that I'd like to lick... ... ahem, I mean pick. The type of person I'm looking for would hopefully possess those traits and share a similar appreciation of them as I do.That doesn't mean that I would reject someone straight off for using text speak but, depending upon what I was expecting from the contact, it may cool my ardour a little..I consider myself quite adaptable and believe that I can mix and communicate with a diverse range of people. I think I'm reasonably well educated and learned (I also acknowledge that there's a hell of a lot that I don't know) but I can talk badly, swear and carry on with the best of them when the crowd's a little bit rougher. As I learnt growing up, there's paddock talk and there's proper talk and you bloody well should know when to use proper talk. .I believe, as Cait, Chilli and Fiona have pointed out, that there IS a time and place for text speak and it comes down to what type of relationship you have with the person you're communicating with. Still, I hardly ever use it but an occasional u or r will creep into my text messages and usually only with my mates. .Talk of evolution and devolution could go on and on with both sides being right and wrong. The English language after all is a hodge podge bastardisation of many langauages (mainly Latin and French, which is based on Latin as well).The English we speak today is different to how it was in 1788, in Shakespearian times it was different again and would we even be able to communicate with the Angles pre Norman invasion? Words and language are just commonly accepted symbols and sounds used to communicate (I think I might have read that in a Dan Brown novel). Otherwise they are just meaningless scribbles and noises.So if text speak has become commonly accepted we can choose not to use it but we can't hide from it. .On an interesting side note. A guy that worked for the Oxford Dictionary was asked whether he lamented the devolution of the English language. He answered clearly that he thought English was evolving and that he was excited by all the new words and meanings being created.I mean he would wouldn't he? Otherwise he'd be out of a job. .Cheers.RustyI may not use text speak but you may well note the overuse of emoticons in my posts.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Yuck!... Damn foot in mouth again. .I've just realised that my last post may have come across as elitist and didn't fully convey what I meant. .Intelligence/smarts isn't defined by our education, the words we use or the way we communicate with others..I know a number of people who failed/dropped out of school and have very successful businesses/lives now.I also know people for whom the reverse is true.The school of hard knocks and real life experiences can create amazing character and the stories of some people are truly fascinating. .So to clarify.I wouldn't write someone off because they use text speak in a message but if it carried over into face to face conversations and I didn't feel a connection with that person, then I might have a problem with it. .There, clear as mud. .Cheers..Rusty
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RHP User
15 years ago
I actually liked your first attempt better and not in the slightest bit elitist! ... Flirty x
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RHP User
15 years ago
Is that text talk is not english. It is a separate communication language all of its own. Quite a few years ago now when black vernacular was increasing in USA in places like the Bronx it actually became manditory for the teachers there to understand and use black vernacular. The reason being that if the students all used this language, it was all they understood and spoke then how were they expected to excell at school or even learn anything at all for that matter if they could not understand thier teachers and the teachers could not understand them. The same principle actually does apply here. I personally feel that it is not correct to lament text talk as a bastardisation of the english language when it is clear to me that it is separate and if not a completely new language then at least could almost be considered a different dialect. One that does not have an accent so is universal.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Whilst text-speak has it's place in SMS I hate it's use in emails and messages on RHP. I want to know who you are, not spend my time trying to interpret what you are trying to say.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Text talk itself could be defined as a dialect as I can imagine that each language would have it's own form of text speak and abbreviations. However wouldn't the text speak we are talking about be considered part of the English language?If it weren't then how can we understand the shortened forms of English words? I'm sure that I wouldn't be able to understand Italian shorthand even though I know enough Italian to read aloud a book written in Italian (I may not understand it but I can pronounce it correctly, with a Calabrian accent even). I mean rhyming slang can be terribly difficult to understand but it still uses English words (that English English bit in Goldmember still cracks me up) and I would class black vernacular as a similar dialect of English.The meanings given to words and how we use them may have changed but the word itself is still the same..Due mainly to television and the internet, English has become more widely known globally and as such many words are known to non English speakers and have entered their vocabularies. To say that text talk is universal however may be overstating it a bit..I myself don't particularly lament the introduction of text talk, I do see it as an evolution of the English language and agree that it is now here to stay.What I lament is the use of it in what I see as an inappropriate manner. I do think that in this point in time however, it's use as shorthand amongst friends and family who will understand your use of it is where it belongs. I think that at the moment there are too many variables in definitions for everyone to understand everyone else.Whilst it may sound implausible to everyone now, there may indeed be a day when text talk is an accepted way of writing an assignment for Uni. Probably not in our lifetimes though..Finally to clarify my bastardisation comment. I was referring to the English language itself rather than text speak. English words have been, for the most part, created from Latin words and meanings. Due to the Norman influence there are also many words derived from the French language. English has developed over the years to what we know today by absorbing new words from many cultures, particularly during the period of colonization.I'm quite sure that most other languages around the world have evolved similarly. For example "weekend" is now in the Italian vocabulary even though the Italian alphabet doesn't contain the letters W or K..I think we probably agree more than we disagree Fiona but possibly the vagaries of the written word are not allowing me to fully explain my thoughts. .Cheers..Rusty
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RHP User
15 years ago
I always use full sentences in SMS. Which means I've spent hundreds of dollars more sending messages that spilled over into 2, 3 or 4 texts. I've communicated some very complex and interesting ideas however.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'slippery_halo' I always use full sentences in SMS. Which means I've spent hundreds of dollars more sending messages that spilled over into 2, 3 or 4 texts. I've communicated some very complex and interesting ideas however. I can identify with that. .I'm more likely to take a simple, interesting idea and turn it into a complex, uninteresting one with my full sentences though. .Cheers..Rusty
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RHP User
15 years ago
So I'm the old man at the counter complaining about ATM's ? Fine by me. Seems there are a few of us in the queue though. I should make it clear that I'm not fighting the inclusion of new words. And honestly if you want to type out a quick text speak text between mates on the phone go for it. I'm talking about using text speak as a absolute communication tool. Like when you create your profile, send messages via e-mail or write on the forums. Ironically for the ladies that protest so much about what I wrote seem to have used all forms of correct writing styles in their argument. Please, ladies, stand behind your own words. Write your responses in the text speak you defend it with such gusto. Please show us an example of your texting style, layith the smackdown with some sexy, texting. Slay me with your missing syllables and nouns. However, my original post was all about observation. And I have one more to share from the eyes of the old man in the queue. I look out at the ladies in the room who have taken umbrage from my comments... and well I would have spent hours, writing some sort of witty response. But then I noticed that one of them had a picture of a cat with a box on its head. And the other clearly wants to castrate all men. Guys, if you want the written equivalent of a cold shower go read Fiona's profile, you'll be emasculated and terrified all at once. I love a hard headed woman, but really I think I will take my table spoon of concrete and stand back in line. On that whole 'princess things' it's such a dated and somewhat sexist comment only used by older women. It's true. I never hear a man saying that to another man, and I never hear it said by any female younger than say 35. Perhaps, the younger generation choose to listen when a man has a point to raise instead of brushing it off with a shocking set of default clichés. You old chooks must know what I mean? Speaking of which, if that was mean, then perhaps you need to re-adjust your tiaras. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. Do you honestly think that texting like an 18 year old, to an 18 year old is going to be taken with anything but contempt. Do you think that writing that way to a peer is going to be taken seriously. I'm sorry the time for diplomacy of words is over. If I'm the old man at the counter, you're the sad old bag at a night club trying to dance to Teenage Dreams by Katy Perry, with a glass of bubbly in her hand, her mini skirt hitched, taking photos of yourself to post on facebook. But really you're just wishing they would turn off Teenage Dreams and put on Love Shack, cause you love Love Shack don't you!! You might be all modern and funky and perhaps English is being re-written. Great, bring it on, but I thank god the schools still teach, Reading Writing and Maths. Not rding n wting n mths n lol n smiley faces n FFS!! As for the rest of you people. Well done, well pondered, well argued. Andrew
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RHP User
15 years ago
can dance to it without popping a hip out...
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'Supernatural_Man'Do you honestly think that texting like an 18 year old, to an 18 year old is going to be taken with anything but contempt. Do you think that writing that way to a peer is going to be taken seriously. I'm sorry the time for diplomacy of words is over. If I'm the old man at the counter, you're the sad old bag at a night club trying to dance to Teenage Dreams by Katy Perry, with a glass of bubbly in her hand, her mini skirt hitched, taking photos of yourself to post on facebook. But really you're just wishing they would turn off Teenage Dreams and put on Love Shack, cause you love Love Shack don't you!! So much anxiety! I don't like using using text speak at all, but I have a daughter in high school. We IM (it's like fax, only faster and with no paper...) sometimes when she's at her mother's place, so I have to understand text speak and in the spirit of change, I use it with her too. I spend plenty of time critiquing her sentence structure and grammar in her homework - if you think I'm going to do it at the expense of conversing with her on IM, you're in Disneyland. Text speak is used because it is efficient and it works - if that wasn't the case, it would never have flourished. Think about it - if I'd constructed this more efficiently, you'd already be back to your Flintstones reruns. (That Barney Rubble is such a card...)
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'Supernatural_Man' So I'm the old man at the counter complaining about ATM's ? Fine by me. Seems there are a few of us in the queue though. I should make it clear that I'm not fighting the inclusion of new words. And honestly if you want to type out a quick text speak text between mates on the phone go for it. I'm talking about using text speak as a absolute communication tool. Like when you create your profile, send messages via e-mail or write on the forums. Ironically for the ladies that protest so much about what I wrote seem to have used all forms of correct writing styles in their argument. I do not use text speak as that was not how I was raised. I always use the more formal. And the kids always complain that they do not understand me when I send them a text message. Please, ladies, stand behind your own words. Write your responses in the text speak you defend it with such gusto. Please show us an example of your texting style, layith the smackdown with some sexy, texting. Slay me with your missing syllables and nouns. However, my original post was all about observation. And I have one more to share from the eyes of the old man in the queue. I look out at the ladies in the room who have taken umbrage from my comments... and well I would have spent hours, writing some sort of witty response. But then I noticed that one of them had a picture of a cat with a box on its head. And the other clearly wants to castrate all men. Clearly? Is that so? Does she say this ? Or is that just your interpretation? Guys, if you want the written equivalent of a cold shower go read Fiona's profile, you'll be emasculated and terrified all at once. Oh so funny. The cold water at your place must be pretty warm then and you must be particularly thin skinned as the majority of men tell me they love my profile. Just because I dont kow-tow does not mean I want to emasculate men...althoug I do have a set of emasculators handy..... I love a hard headed woman, but really I think I will take my table spoon of concrete and stand back in line. On that whole 'princess things' it's such a dated and somewhat sexist comment only used by older women. Really now? The teens I work with use it all the time. Maybe you are a little out of touch at what........36? It's true. I never hear a man saying that to another man, and I never hear it said by any female younger than say 35. Perhaps, the younger generation choose to listen when a man has a point to raise instead of brushing it off with a shocking set of default clichés. You old chooks must know what I mean? Obviously you do not spend much time in the company of teens. I have yet to see an 18 year old want to listen to ANYTHING a man of your vintage has to say unless of course it is "Thats okay, I will pay!" Speaking of which, if that was mean, then perhaps you need to re-adjust your tiaras. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. Do you honestly think that texting like an 18 year old, to an 18 year old is going to be taken with anything but contempt. Actually they appreciate it when I do as they can then understand what it is I am getting at Do you think that writing that way to a peer is going to be taken seriously. I'm sorry the time for diplomacy of words is over. You were being diplomatic? When? Where? Sorry I missed it. If I'm the old man I did say old people. If you wish to take it as a ersonal affront, how can I be to blame? at the counter, you're the sad old bag Is there any need for this personal attack because I dissagree with you? at a night club trying to dance to Teenage Dreams by Katy Perry, trying? Sweetie...I dont TRY anything. I succeed with a glass of bubbly in her hand, her mini skirt hitched, taking photos of yourself to post on facebook. But really you're just wishing they would turn off Teenage Dreams and put on Love Shack, cause you love Love Shack don't you!! Not a skirt in my wardrobe, mini or not. But then what else would you expect from a ball breaker such as I? Certainly not into clubbing You might be all modern and funky and perhaps English is being re-written. Great, bring it on, but I thank god the schools still teach, Reading Writing and Maths. Not rding n wting n mths n lol n smiley faces n FFS!! As for the rest of you people. Well done, well pondered, well argued. Andrew Dont you forum regulars just love it when someone dissagrees with a person, they have to make it a personal and scathing attack? What is the matter Supernatural_man? Can not handle a strong woman expressing HER opinion? Does it get too much for you when an old bag, an old chook of my vintage actually has the unmitigated gall to sugest that maybe, just maybe you could be left behind in the technology round-about as you dont understand nor can you tollerate the changes in our society? No I dont use text speak very often. I am from a different generation and the lecturers at the university I study at would be appalled as most of them are actually over 65. Law and economics being rather formal subjects to study. That does not mean that I do not understand it. The teenagers in my care use it constantly and If I want to know where they are, what they are up to at any given time, I need to be able to interpret this stuff. The two younger kids in my care, being nine and ten constantly give each other pop quizes on text speak and what it all means. So please, dont worry about the cold shower, just have another look at my profile and swallow that cement...princess!
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RHP User
15 years ago
Really, it's not about profiles, people or pitures...it's about preferences and we all have them. I will happily admit that until I picked up my iPhone I had sent no more than 5 text messages off my phone in my life...ever. I didn't like the keys, the intuitive type and having to hunker over that damn little keypad even on some of the more flash phones up to then. Hell I had sent about 2 dozen by the time I had left the store and won't even admit to how many I send now every month. | That said...it is my preference to complete a sentence when I can and yes, the odd out interpretive text has made some of the messages quite funny when I don't back up and override them, but that's me and that's my choice. If others choose to use it for speed or convenience (a/c Shoe and his daughter) ...who really cares? Honest, eg. who does it bother and what is the point carry on and launch into personal assaults et al etc. There are a lot of different types of accepted "shorthand and shortcuts", ie. ones that we all agree to agree on. | Bottom line...I also have a "delete" key and if it really bugs me that much, I use it freely. It's just like call forward or block sender and if it gives you that much grief...use the force, Mr. Supernatural and come back down to earth with the rest of the mere mortals. | ...really, what are you doing in that pic?
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RHP User
15 years ago
I think it's because it makes it really hard for me to tell right away if you are downright stupid or not. I don't mind a few abbreviations for the sake of speed but i just can't fuck stupid people.I think my limit is the word 'what' being spelled as 'wot'. I have to draw the line somewhere and that seems to be the one that makes me want to yell 'GET OFF MY LAWN!'xx Sarah
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'lil_bit_rusty'Text talk itself could be defined as a dialect as I can imagine that each language would have it's own form of text speak and abbreviations. However wouldn't the text speak we are talking about be considered part of the English language? If it weren't then how can we understand the shortened forms of English words? Bcse f th wy our brns r wired we cn ndrstnd mst f th wrttn wrds wthout vwls. The linguistic part of our brain remembers and stores obvious patterns in the english language. It is the same priciple that we use when children are learning to speak and by the time of around four years of age, many of them know to use terms like "rode" instead of "rided" Our mind associated and similates words of a familiar sound and look and we will automatically intuit that the word is not correct. This only works on our primary and first language. I'm sure that I wouldn't be able to understand Italian shorthand even though I know enough Italian to read aloud a book written in Italian (I may not understand it but I can pronounce it correctly, with a Calabrian accent even). I mean rhyming slang can be terribly difficult to understand but it still uses English words (that English English bit in Goldmember still cracks me up) and I would class black vernacular as a similar dialect of English. The meanings given to words and how we use them may have changed but the word itself is still the same. . Due mainly to television and the internet, English has become more widely known globally and as such many words are known to non English speakers and have entered their vocabularies. To say that text talk is universal however may be overstating it a bit. Yes it has along with many words from other languages being absorbed into English such as "pizza", "anime" "ciao" . I myself don't particularly lament the introduction of text talk, I do see it as an evolution of the English language and agree that it is now here to stay. What I lament is the use of it in what I see as an inappropriate manner. I do agree. There is a time and place for text speak just as there is slang or profanity. I do think that in this point in time however, it's use as shorthand amongst friends and family who will understand your use of it is where it belongs. I think that at the moment there are too many variables in definitions for everyone to understand everyone else. Whilst it may sound implausible to everyone now, there may indeed be a day when text talk is an accepted way of writing an assignment for Uni. Probably not in our lifetimes though. . Finally to clarify my bastardisation comment. I was referring to the English language itself rather than text speak. English words have been, for the most part, created from Latin words and meanings. Due to the Norman influence there are also many words derived from the French language. English has developed over the years to what we know today by absorbing new words from many cultures, particularly during the period of colonization. I'm quite sure that most other languages around the world have evolved similarly. For example "weekend" is now in the Italian vocabulary even though the Italian alphabet doesn't contain the letters W or K. The English language is the most bastardised language of them all. It is made up of so many other languages, latin and german being only two. We no longer use expressions like "thee" or "thou" in everyday language whereby we once did. I think we probably agree more than we disagree Fiona but possibly the vagaries of the written word are not allowing me to fully explain my thoughts. Yes I agree. . Cheers. . Rusty
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RHP User
15 years ago
Wit Andy on this 1. Cnt txt spk prply n dnt wnt 2 lrn. My daughter is 11. She told me she wanted a journal and I suggested she use her laptop to keep her journal on. Imagine how thrilled I was when she told me that she would rather have paper and pen because it is better (in her opinion) to express herself in her own handwriting than in type/text. She went on to tell me if she were to write a book or song or poetry she would use pen and paper too... I guess that is how I feel about text speak versus using up three sms in one go because I have composed my text message in longhand. Words and how we use them are a form of self expression. If someone chooses to express themselves in text speak there will be those that judge them for it. Rightly or wrongly we all judge others everyday and in all kinds of situtations and we are lying if we try to claim otherwise. On RHP we do it even more so...who has scanned the profiles and chosen not to send a message or flirt because they did not like something about someones profile? Who has recieved a flirt or message and chosen not to reply for the reason? Who has listed preferences as to gender, age, etc on their profiles? I believe Andrew is expressing a preference, this is his right. Maybe you don't agree with his reasonings but they are his. I have seen text speak used in profiles and in the forums, I have had messages and texts sent to me all in text speak, and to be honest those messages hurt my head and I have no inclination to even try and translate them. Too bad if the composer had anything meaningful to say as it is lost on me. What I have seen reading the posts in this forum topic is that Andre has been called a Princess then ridculed for making a personal attack? I therefore have to assume that calling him Princess was not a personal attack? what was it then? If Andrew can be blamed for anything here it was thinking he has a right to a preference and stooping to the level of other posters... There is a time and place for text speak and it is my preference that it is used lightly. Cum ova wnt 2 fck u wont get me to come over to yours at all, ever for any reason except to take your phone and smash it! xx Salina
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'Salina79'My daughter is 11. She told me she wanted a journal and I suggested she use her laptop to keep her journal on. Imagine how thrilled I was when she told me that she would rather have paper and pen because it is better (in her opinion) to express herself in her own handwriting than in type/text. She went on to tell me if she were to write a book or song or poetry she would use pen and paper too... There is a time and place for text speak and it is my preference that it is used lightly. Cum ova wnt 2 fck u wont get me to come over to yours at all, ever for any reason except to take your phone and smash it! Being 11, your daughter is probably in year six. Next year, she'll have fewer opportunities to do things on paper, as they'll have to be emailed to the teacher. You could scan it, but that's going a long way for the sake of quaintness...The OP does have a right to prefer full text over text speak of course, but I got the impression that he was running us down for using it. Perhaps I haven't followed this thread as closely as I could have though.From what I know of you, a message that said "Come over as I want to fuck you" wouldn't get you over either. If so, it's the content that's the dealbreaker, not the syntax.
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RHP User
15 years ago
It's funny, I can happily sit there and work out those sentences created with all the vowels taken out, or the ones where just the first and last letter of a word are correct, but my head can start to hurt too trying to decipher a text or message written almost entirely in text speak. .Now Fiona are you agreeing that we agree or are you agreeing that I tend to trip over my own words? If you are in agreement with both then I fully agree with you. .No need to respond to that question as I think we're just going around in circles agreeing with each other. ..(Mumbles apologetically to the crowd)Sorry, sorry. I know my posts are too long and I'm sorry for any confusion or boredom that I may have created. I think I even managed to confuse myself along the way.I'll just go and sit quietly in the corner now and let the rest of you continue your discussion. .Cheers..Rusty
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RHP User
15 years ago
is a commonly used, every day expression.....not a personal attack. Being called a sad old bag or an old chook is a personal attack as is telling people that my profile is like having a cold shower and that all I want to do is emasculate all men. This last is not true I only want to emasculate SOME men...not all Yes he is entitled to his opinion and no one denies this so why then am I not entitled to mine? Just because trying to read text speak gives many people over the age of thirty a headache, this does not mean that the person should automatically be discarded as stupid. I understand and can read basic french and german and maori but reading a message in that language while trying to understand it is going to give me a major headache as well. That does not mean that the person writing the message is less intelligent than myself. I would probably head to the linguistics department at the uni for a translation. You have an eleven year old daughter Salina? Get used to text speak if you want to know where she is, what she is up to and with whom in a few years time. l Times they are a changing.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'lil_bit_rusty' There are still many people on this site that agree with you and appreciate a well thought out and crafted piece of written communication. I consider myself to be one of them and like to think that I compose somewhat decent messages, yet I'm not nearly so talented with my prose as some. For me a well written message shows an intelligent mind. Intelligence can often be associated with open mindedness, creativeness, tolerance, understanding and a willingness to explore. Of course this isn't always the case but I've found it often to be true. An intelligent woman is a sexy woman and there are a few brains out there in forum land that I'd like to lick... ... ahem, I mean pick. The type of person I'm looking for would hopefully possess those traits and share a similar appreciation of them as I do.That doesn't mean that I would reject someone straight off for using text speak but, depending upon what I was expecting from the contact, it may cool my ardour a little..I consider myself quite adaptable and believe that I can mix and communicate with a diverse range of people. I think I'm reasonably well educated and learned (I also acknowledge that there's a hell of a lot that I don't know) but I can talk badly, swear and carry on with the best of them when the crowd's a little bit rougher. As I learnt growing up, there's paddock talk and there's proper talk and you bloody well should know when to use proper talk. .I believe, as Cait, Chilli and Fiona have pointed out, that there IS a time and place for text speak and it comes down to what type of relationship you have with the person you're communicating with. Still, I hardly ever use it but an occasional u or r will creep into my text messages and usually only with my mates. .Talk of evolution and devolution could go on and on with both sides being right and wrong. The English language after all is a hodge podge bastardisation of many langauages (mainly Latin and French, which is based on Latin as well).The English we speak today is different to how it was in 1788, in Shakespearian times it was different again and would we even be able to communicate with the Angles pre Norman invasion? Words and language are just commonly accepted symbols and sounds used to communicate (I think I might have read that in a Dan Brown novel). Otherwise they are just meaningless scribbles and noises.So if text speak has become commonly accepted we can choose not to use it but we can't hide from it. .On an interesting side note. A guy that worked for the Oxford Dictionary was asked whether he lamented the devolution of the English language. He answered clearly that he thought English was evolving and that he was excited by all the new words and meanings being created.I mean he would wouldn't he? Otherwise he'd be out of a job. .Cheers.RustyI may not use text speak but you may well note the overuse of emoticons in my posts. Like.. Like ..Agree....Agreeyou took the words right out of my mouth...
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RHP User
15 years ago
Gotta say I totally respect everyones likes n dislikes on txt speak , personally it doesn't usually bother me at all and sometimes I kinda think it's cute and/or inventive. It only annoys me when it goes on too long , like reams of it , solely coz it just takes so much longer for me to process than the Queen's fucking English. Maybe with a little more practice at deciphering the 'code' though I'd be a happier bloke , but who can say. Yeah I do think proper english full words are best (although Spanish does it for me lol) , the exception being 18-25 yr old hot girls , if they txt speak me it's HOT as , and if I had to spend an hour transdiddling it in my leetle cerebellum then so be it ; it'd be a very hard study hour indeed ;-)
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RHP User
15 years ago
Btw Salina did I mention that you're hot and very very right about EVERYTHING lol oh god I'm a such a winner....right better go to another thread and say something way kewl lol
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RHP User
15 years ago
Flirty, Fiona and Nudie,.As authors of some of the profiles that I genuinely adore and whose posts I enjoy and respect (sorry I haven't told you sooner Flirty and Fiona, and Nudie, I find myself drooling with desire when I read yours and that's before I even look at your pics), to receive agreement with and approval of my thoughts from the three of you gives boost to this man's confidence in his writing abilities..Just wanted to say thanks and I'll be over in that corner if anyone needs me. .Cheers..Rusty
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RHP User
15 years ago
The trouble is people get lazy. Nothing to do with end of world events... lol
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RHP User
15 years ago
"For me a well written message shows an intelligent mind. Intelligence can often be associated with open mindedness, creativeness, tolerance, understanding and a willingness to explore." I believe the art of actually writing a letter the old fashioned way with a pen and paper is well and truly on the way out if not already gone, however when sending a text using so called shorthand it can be construed as ambiguous as different people have decipher things differently and then that causes more texts to be sent back forth explaining the first so why not just type it out in full words and proof read before sending to ensure that what you want to say is actually conveyed to the receiver as you meant it! I have received messages from women that have had all text speak through it in a first contact message and found it just to damn time annoying to send messages back and forth asking them to explain what they actually meant. On the other hand I agree that it has its place but only after you actually know the person and can understand or imagine what they are saying, if you catch my drift??In saying that and call me a hypo
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RHP User
15 years ago
Iam a good pom and had proper english beat into me as a child :) So i can certainly string a sentence together.. However, on the phone or even on here, i dont want to read 20 to 50 lines of an answer?? As soon as a see an answer longer than 10 lines i skip it..lifes too short for sagas, unless iam reading a sexy story. text talk is great, but stupid spelling is totally different. We are all busy and on phones dont have time to write whole words...so i find it very handy.
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RHP User
15 years ago
txt speak doesn't bother me as such, sometimes it can be irritating trying to decipher what the hell the person is talking about and I'm also to blame at times because i do user the shortened versions of words as its faster,cant stand predictive txt! BUT one thing that does bother me is the use of the F and C words constantly in speech no matter how old the person is. THAT instantly puts me off and the lack grammar or spelling mistakes and the the use of "dat" etc like ur some god holy gang member.txt speak is now a part of our lives,we don't have to use it ourselves but their is nothing much we can do about it except ignore the person that we are conversing with and hopefully they get the hint but I doubt it. 1984 was a book we HAD to read in high school ,many long year ago:) ahh I remember it well. but times are changing constantly we have to get over it.more important things in life to worry about :0
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RHP User
15 years ago
i myself find text talk extremely annoying most of the times....(that of course could be partially because most of the time i do not understand it...LOL) i believe that if one is hoping to make an impression on someone, then taking the time to write properly is not that muchh to hope for.... i do agree, that there are times, when text talk can be very handy (i.e. when you're letting your friends know that you are running late for dinner) ,but as in general i do not like it.... as someone has mentioned it earlier...if you can't be bothered trying to impress me with your mind, your words, etc....how much effort will you be putting into exciting me, teasing me, getting me all hot and bothered in person...:) to me - especcialy on here- it is a sign of how interested you really are in me....and how much effort you are willing to put into getting me interested in you.... we ourselves like to exchange a few messages, have a few chats before we catch up in person...and untill we meet, the only indication of what you are like, what you are about, whether we would acctually connect....is thru your written communication.... so why not try to be as colourful and impressive as you can be? the way i see it...english is my second language, so if i can put the effort in to show my interest and respect thru proper communication...then so can someone who has english as their native tounge....
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RHP User
15 years ago
That is just too funny Sarah lol...Agrees wholeheratedly... Quoting 'curiousnewgirl78' I think it's because it makes it really hard for me to tell right away if you are downright stupid or not. I don't mind a few abbreviations for the sake of speed but i just can't fuck stupid people.I think my limit is the word 'what' being spelled as 'wot'. I have to draw the line somewhere and that seems to be the one that makes me want to yell 'GET OFF MY LAWN!'xx Sarah
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RHP User
15 years ago
Its wanting to tap my fingers on a table as if Im typing whilst chatting to a friend in real life..that's kinda embarassing.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Thanks for the compliment Rusty, I love reading your profile too. I confess to dropping in on your presentation occasionally, patiently awaiting the day you work out how to attach those forms you make mention of :-P No need to thank me though, I simply have a rather annoying habit of telling it like it is, that's all :-D Flirty x
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RHP User
15 years ago
the only thing i must admit into in regards to grammar and spelling is writing DONT instead of DON'T etc etc...
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'Supernatural_Man' And the other clearly wants to castrate all men. Guys, if you want the written equivalent of a cold shower go read Fiona's profile, you'll be emasculated and terrified all at once. I love a hard headed woman, but really I think I will take my table spoon of concrete and stand back in line. On that whole 'princess things' it's such a dated and somewhat sexist comment only used by older women. It's true. I never hear a man saying that to another man, and I never hear it said by any female younger than say 35. Perhaps, the younger generation choose to listen when a man has a point to raise instead of brushing it off with a shocking set of default clichés. You old chooks must know what I mean? Speaking of which, if that was mean, then perhaps you need to re-adjust your tiaras. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. Do you honestly think that texting like an 18 year old, to an 18 year old is going to be taken with anything but contempt. Do you think that writing that way to a peer is going to be taken seriously. I'm sorry the time for diplomacy of words is over. If I'm the old man at the counter, you're the sad old bag at a night club trying to dance to Teenage Dreams by Katy Perry, with a glass of bubbly in her hand, her mini skirt hitched, taking photos of yourself to post on facebook. But really you're just wishing they would turn off Teenage Dreams and put on Love Shack, cause you love Love Shack don't you!! You might be all modern and funky and perhaps English is being re-written. Great, bring it on, but I thank god the schools still teach, Reading Writing and Maths. Not rding n wting n mths n lol n smiley faces n FFS!! As for the rest of you people. Well done, well pondered, well argued. Andrew You think hers is emasculating??? Bahahaha if you really want a cold shower believe me when I say there are worse ones out there (mine included) go on I dare you...tell me I'm wrong...mine will make you want to run away fast and in fear.....well I am trying to make it that way - just cant seem to get the point across . I am under that 35 mark and often call the men I work with Princess - especially when they are having a whinge about something they have no control over - you do realise this dont you Cupcake??? You have no control over the language/dialect that someone uses to converse with you......oh and I work in a warehouse environment in case you were curious... Must tell you that old chook doesnt drink bubbles, does enjoy Katy Perry and the day we can get her into a skirt (especialy if its a mini) then there will be serious fights over who gets to post those pics on facebook - oh yes she does indeed have an account. . Kisses Focus
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RHP User
15 years ago
As I can only manage a text message using one finger on the iPhone...the bruising on my index finger is embarrassing as hell too... | Quoting 'Saturn65'Its wanting to tap my fingers on a table as if Im typing whilst chatting to a friend in real life.. | Where I really come undone, Ms S...is that half the time I have headphones plugged in listening to music and always sing along? Not only do my friends get annoyed at the finger thumping but when I start to sing to them rather than just talk... | ...most of them leave the room. | | Then try singing in txt spk...you are soooo screwed. They just say "wot d fuk" and walk away.
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RHP User
15 years ago
I find text speak ok if it is in a text message (not that i use it myself), but i dont see the point in emails etc. I can only see laziness as the reason. If there is a fully functioning qwerty keyboard in front of you, use it! So yes i think there is a time and place for it, but not poor spelling..... Poor spelling is what really shits me. (Mr)
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RHP User
15 years ago
Did you kown taht no mettar how you wirte it if you put the frist and lsat ltteers in teihr crorcet pacle our sbconuioucs wlil awyals raed it crreotcly. So sleplnig has gnoe out the wdniow. Get taht itno you.
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RHP User
15 years ago
u hav 2 much time on ur hnds thinkin abt stf like dis
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RHP User
14 years ago
I think text speak should remain where it started. In SMS. If you want to give someone a thoughtful message where character count does not exist... use proper english.
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RHP User
14 years ago
If I come across a date who actually says "LOL" when something funny comes up in a converstation, I know straight away they are TOO YOUNG!!! I think there is a time and place for all sorts of language - generally its polite to respond to someone in a similar way to how they communicated to you.... ie proper english or slang, etc etc... and so adversely it can come across rude not to make an effort or use language which you know the other person may not be savvy too.what do they say?? Imitation is a form of flattery....?
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