F47
Singles of QLD
February 19 2017
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RHP User
9 years ago
I think you'll find that the marketplace dictates the operations of such clubs. The First Law of economics is Supply & Demand. There will always be an oversupply of "single" men and an under supply of single women. The fees charged are intended to help address the imbalance. Fees aside, the mater of Supply v Demand ensures that charging women will highly likely reduce their numbers and further affecting the ratio. So then you end up with some rather interesting screening/vetting/rating principles for attendees which also alienates those who either don't make the grade, or don't want to be graded in the first place. The point you are making is fair enough..... but the practicality of it makes it a real problem - Posted from rhpmobile
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MsSuperFoxy
9 years ago
You will find there's a reason why clubs set the single men fees at the rates they do. It sniffs out the "If I pay the entry fee, so I should be entitled to a fuck" expectation/attitude. For a single man, it's probably wise to go with a single lady and split the entry cost of a couple fee. It's not guaranteed a root tho. 😉 Ms Foxy
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RHP User
9 years ago
I'd be curious to see what, if any, organisational/balance problems arose. I love playing with couples, bit this could potentially be a lot of fun as well. - Posted from rhpmobile
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DynamicCouple36
9 years ago
How would an event, only for singles, than be seen as a swingers event? - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
DynamicCouple36 So single people who engages freely in promiscuous sex or group sex aren't classed as swingers? - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
I think the intention of the post is to highlight that a lot of single women go to these clubs... and we are not always interested in just couples. .. it is nice to have choice and variety. Payment of any fees does not guarantee sex for anyone. .. i understand the point of charging less for men and girls paying a fee. These clubs are trying to increase the numbers yes... but by attracting more guys.. they will ultimately attract more women... the greater the choice the more interest. On the nights I have attended there is a good number of single ladies probably more than couples on some occassions... These clubs are also there to provide a safe environment for women to meet men... many have this written in thier description of events. .. but why would we go as a couple and possibly be caught in a situation if that meet does not go to plan... it is ideal to invite guys and then play it by ear... no expectations. I am interested to see if anyof the clubs is game to host a singles night similar to vixens and see how the numbers stack up. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
I know what you mean, and agree, particularly with single men being charged more, that sucks. I would only be interested now in singles events and agree singles are overlooked and treated badly. About time they got with the program and catered for our needs. Also cougar/cub events. I was recently asked to an under 30's event, or maybe under 35's? Can't remember exactly, and to that guy, who was under 35, thank you for the offer. I would have accepted and gone with you, but women under 35 could take older men, and that was the reason I declined. Sorry dude, thanks for the offer 😉
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RHP User
9 years ago
It appears you have to be a couple to be officially classed as a 'swinger'. Wait for it, the dictionary will come out soon lol that's okay, I always hated the term anyway 😉
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RHP User
9 years ago
'Kinky fuckers' 😀
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RHP User
9 years ago
Fetish and bdsm venues charge a set rate. No gender is cheaper. No couples rates. Bi's, straights, TG,CD,TV's Just likeminded people on an even playing field
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DynamicCouple36
9 years ago
Most, if not all, clubs are businesses in it to make money. They have rent and other overheads to pay. Management of 3 clubs in Melbourne, told us that they make far more money, on the nights that single guys are allowed in. And that because there is such demand, by the single guys to get in (and places limited) they (the clubs) charge a lot more for single guys. They then went on to say that couples and single females pay a cheaper entry fee for a few reasons (1) they are subsidised by the higher paying single guys (2) without the couples / female half of the couple, and the single females, there would be no "bait" / incentive to attract the higher paying single guys. It's when the ratios of single guys, to females, are too high, when problems arise. The entry fee only gets you entry to the premises and does not guarantee sex. We went to a well advertised "house party" once. There were just 4 couples, including ourselves, and upwards of 36 single guys. When the majority of the guys realised they were not going to get laid (neither us nor the couple we were chatting with were at all interested in the snagfest selection on display ) they became all aggressive towards the hosts, demanding their money back. The hosts refused. Clearly they were only in it for the money, hence allowing as many single guys in as possible. If you make the price for single females / couples too high, they will perhaps stay away, and this will impact negatively on the ratio of males to females, and then the profit of the club/business. - Posted from rhpmobile
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Naughtydouble
9 years ago
We generally cant get anywhere and yes we have been to few clubs and yes not cheap but when off set with the drink prices probably not that expensive, however to be told yes heaps here and enter to find a very small crowd after paying prices is disappointing. Open discussions initiate change so yes would we attend more if we paid less and also allowd to get in 1 guy yes two very rare. SWINGING thats a reference to a life style choice not a demographic
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RHP User
9 years ago
I would be interested in coming to a singles party because I am not interested in playing with couples. Too many restrictions with some couples. I wouldn't care about paying its really not fair single guys having to pay and single women don't. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
This sounds like a great idea to cater to singles, as going to the clubs with just the idea of 90% couples that are mostly there looking for other couples makes it is a but harder on the singles guys,or girls. So yes this idea would be great, sign me up - Posted from rhpmobile
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DynamicCouple36
9 years ago
Most of the Melbourne swingers clubs (paid entry) cater for single guys, more often than they do for couples. For example Attunga, Shed16, Blondeez (there are several more) have open nights (single guys allowed ) every Saturday. Attunga only has a "couples only night" once a month, and so the preferences are certainly tipped in favour of single males for most of the nights. Single females are however allowed in for free , and couples for a fee, on the single nights (obviously if there were no couples / single females on these "open nights" then there would just be a club filled with guys. At Attunga, the % of single males to couples/females is now strictly monitored. In the past it was not, and there could be upwards of 44 single males to just 4 couples. This caused problems for the couples/single females, and various complaints were made on the forum posts of another swingers site. Management did not want to listen (they were making big bucks out of the single males) and so the single females / couples stayed away from Attunga, and only then did management wake up. In the 20 odd times we have been to Attunga, we have only ever seen 3 single females in total over this time. They are very rare and they only attended on Couples nights. From experience, would there be more single females if more single males attended? Certainly not in our experience / observations at Attunga / Shed16 & Wet on Wellington. Maybe a singles club, go singles only, where the ratios were kept to one single girl yo one one guy, or perhaps one girl to two guys would work better. Historically though, more single guys would turn up at the club wanting to get in. Unicorns on here are hard to find and even rarer at swingers clubs. At the end of the day, the club owners are in it for the money, and means that their priority is thus to get as many people to attend, and pay the entry fee as possible. At attunga we sit at the bar, on have noticed that on those nights that single guys are allowed in, the phone rings constantly, and the first thing that the callers ask (management has told us this ) is how many couples are there ? Followed by how many single females are there. Perhaps it's different for other swingers clubs, who may have a different demographic. We have also been to several private, invite only house parties. Free entry. And can confirm there were no single guys at all, but that besides the couples, there were also several single females. Not sure why, but perhaps because the attendees were well screened and as such the single females felt safer ? Killing Kittens is another example of a party (albeit paid) that attracts a high number of single females. - Posted from rhpmobile
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Sawadee
9 years ago
If I ever was to go to a swingers club it would need to be as welcomed addition , not a cash cow. Why would any man part with his hard earned on a maybe ? Obviously the organisers use the old bait and switch method at the expense of the vuneralbility of men desperate for some action. ? If I was to go , it would be with female friend not as a single.. But then again , I don't go looking . Suppose I should pull the finger out and ask... Any females thinking the same way are quite welcomed to join me... As far as having singles swingers venue , I think it's a great idea. Don't know the logistics or how you would go about it ... But I'm sure there's room for such a venue somewhere.. ?
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RHP User
9 years ago
If clubs are all about making money then why would they have a club open with only 4 patrons? Surely staff and overhead costs outway any profits made on nights like these. I would happily pay my share to attend a club that caters to my needs. If this is all about money then clubs are missing out big time. Money is to be made with singles whom enjoy this lifestyle. Surely a club with single patrons is better then a club with no patrons. It's common sense! - Posted from rhpmobile
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DynamicCouple36
9 years ago
There were 4 couples & approx 44 single males. Attunga makes its money from the single males. They now have changed the ratios depending on how many couples on the night in question. During the week it's a gay club (same as shed 16 and wet in wellington. Were it not for the gay club aspect, we don't think it would survive financially - Posted from rhpmobile
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DynamicCouple36
9 years ago
Then you will end up with a club filled with single males, and very few single females. Look at the ratios on RHP. Mainly single male profiles. Many couples profiles / single female profiles are actually males posing as females/ couples, and so the ratios are skewed even more. We have some clients/friends who are exploring opening up a swingers club and so have been privy to the research & business model - Posted from rhpmobile
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MnauMnau
9 years ago
HornyBitch6969 thanks for this Topic. Yes, I'm in. Some might not notice but fee for a single male went up at few clubs already, just saying. Mischeviouslad, I'm trying to understand what you are saying "The First Law of economics is Supply & Demand. There will always be an oversupply of "single" men and an under supply of single women." On RHP you are right, more guys here. At the clubs you are limited by how many can attend. So you shouldn't have an oversupply of men, even they are required to pay a fee. And saying that, females entry is free and not limited, so it should be full. But its not. SuperFoxxxy "For a single man, it's probably wise to go with a single lady and split the entry cost of a couple fee." Very true but, why would single lady split the cost if she can go for free, and pretty much at any party on her own? purplehaze4u "Too many restrictions with some couples." You are so right, couples have wide range of singles too choose from. Specially the ones where male partner sets the conditions "we don't play with single men", but in RHP profile they have something else. DynamicCouple36 "Killing Kittens is another example of a party (albeit paid) that attracts a high number of single females", you have forgot to mention that single guys are not allowed to any party, last time I checked. So again, couples venue and for couples only. HornyBitch6969 "Making Money" you are right, its no-brainer. If clubs can make money on Friday nights, because single males are allowed to come and pay ridiculous fee $80-$150, and next day can't go any vernue as only couples and single females are allowed for free or $20-$80. If there is a high demand for single men why there is no single night for them? let say once a month or every 3rd and in limited numbers? Instead, it looks that single men are paying for all the couples parties.
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RHP User
9 years ago
You are very wrong. I know of 15 single woman whom would gladly pay and attend a club full of single men. It's what we want! I don't need to look at ratios or statistics. I've been down the coast and personally attended these clubs were it was not viable for the clubs to be open on those nights. I've personally meet these woman and it's been a topic we have discussed on several occasions so don't tell me only very few single woman will attend when I'm speaking on behalf of them! I've done my research so can back myself up. You only have second hand information so I'm not interested in what you have to say. - Posted from rhpmobile
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DynamicCouple36
9 years ago
Ask yourself why there are more single females at killing kittens, and / or at attunga, on a night where there are no single males. Yes killing kittens does not cater for single males. Perhaps this is why there are so many single females that attend? Attunga does have nights (every Sat except last Sat of the month) when single males are allowed. You will rarely find any single females at the club on the single guy nights, but rather a few couples. If females don't pay an entry fee ( why? Because the clubs use them as bait to attract the premium paying males) why are there not more single females in the swingers clubs ? (Especially on single male nights?) What would happen, if one of the nights was reserved exclusively for single males & single females ? Chances are you would end up with just single males and no single females? Many single men, bring along a female ( friend or stranger) just to be able to get into the club as a couple. Once inside they part company and the guy reverts to being single, leaves his companion sitting at the bar. We have , in the past, got chatting to several single females (at Attunga & Wet on Wellington) who were not there to play, but simply came along as their male friend wanted to get in. We don't think there is a quick fix and or easy solution for singles. It is clear that there is a huge oversupply of single males who want to get into swingers clubs. But what's the point of allowing them in, in large numbers, if there are only 1 or 2 single females? Would the majority of females be happy with the ratios? From past experience, we say not. There are more single females at Killing Kittens, Attunga on a couples night, and at well screened, free private parties (no single males ). This seems to indicate that single females (or at least the ones who attend Attunga , KK & the private parties we have been to) prefer not to attend if there are single males around. Maybe they just get inundated with messages and requests (on here) and this makes them feel as if they are being hounded. Perhaps they fear the same at a swingers club on single male Nights ? - Posted from rhpmobile
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DynamicCouple36
9 years ago
How about all the available, and willing, single females (on here and other swinger sites) get together and open (or even hire) hire a swingers club one night. That way they can then allow as many single males into the club as they wish. They would be able to pick and choose ( and be spoilt for choice ) They can then either charge the single males an admission fee or not. Or perhaps the single females can pay the fee. We are not sure what it would cost to hire a swingers club for the night, but if there are enough single females willing to share the costs of the venue, amongst themselves, we are sure that they would have a lot of fun. - Posted from rhpmobile
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MsSuperFoxy
9 years ago
Because I want to feel safe (going with a male), knowing he has my back. Yes, I've done that before. Yes, they've had my back. So why not. Ms Foxy
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RHP User
9 years ago
Yes i would definitely be interested in this case. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Count me in Honey! - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
A club filled with single males and very few single females? I don't see the problem, so long as I'm one of the few females 😛😜
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RHP User
9 years ago
I'm working on a singles party. So you may get your wish! - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Sorry just realised your in Perth but I'm sure some sort accommodation can be sorted. - Posted from rhpmobile
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MnauMnau
9 years ago
Quoting 'SuperFoxxxy' Because I want to feel safe (going with a male), knowing he has my back. Yes, I've done that before. Yes, they've had my back. So why not. Ms Foxy I am all for everyone safety, but not everyone has the "partner in crime" to go with as you can. There are many single females that are not as lucky as you are to have a male friend to go to clubs. I have offered to few females to meet me at the club which was ok but to go together its a bit unsafe at first which I completely understand. Just curious about your friend, how it works. If you go together as a couple than at the club, both of you go different ways, or he waits for you or? My question is what the ratio male:female you think should be? and How much you willing to pay?
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RHP User
9 years ago
getting seriously sick of men floating along on their wife's coat tails, and bagging out on single men. I wonder how many couples take one for the team when one partner of the other couple is unattractive, overweight, much older, any or all of that seems quite common with many couples profiles I've seen. So one does wonder if they'd even get in the door if they were single. Hang on to your partner is all I can say, without whom you could be washed up 😉 and be nice to the single men who you might be sharing a beer with at the bar one day 😃
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RHP User
9 years ago
I can say I'm single happy as well, would be a great event with singles instead of been look upon as just so,some wanting to get there rocks so to speak with a couple it's not what it's about. Couples are great yet once they where single as well. Wanting to find the person whom makes you laugh share good and challenging times together I'm sure most of us on here are willing to put ourselves out there and I return find a person we share our lives with. So bring on a singles night we can relax knowing we found the night on here we are all open and just looking to make our life better sharing with whom we regard as that special person.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I would like to think that I am a very active sexual being however I have never experienced a party. I would definitely support and attend a singles party which was fair for all. Knowing that all singles in the room were in the same boat as the next person makes it a very exciting night. My flights are already booked 😉😎
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RHP User
9 years ago
Good for you and thank you. I'd love to come if I were closer, I can't travel right now, but I'd definitely be there if I could. Something I've been wanting to do myself, gaggin to host my own parties, though I can't currently, hopefully soon. If you're able to now, don't hesitate, life is too short and I imagine you'd be knocked over in the rush 😜😉
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RHP User
9 years ago
Can I ask if anyone has hosted singles parties with a younger age group, in a hotel, and were they successful. Without extra play rooms, people attending would need to be comfortable playing in front of others, or all in lol 😛 although that would be to my taste, I've found not everyone is comfortable with that. So if you hosted a party, did you have trouble finding people open enough to play that way, or is it more something that we become comfortable with as we get older, that's certainly the case for me. And with the financial side, can you get payment in advance, and refund if it doesn't go ahead, which can happen with low numbers etc. Just interested to hear from people who have done this 😃
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RHP User
9 years ago
the concept sounds fun and interesting. It would be exciting to know that everyone there was single, and hoping to meet/find someone too.
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MsSuperFoxy
9 years ago
Well, each person I've gone with, has been different, on each occasion, so it depends. Communication and discussion prior is the key, that way we know where we stand and boundaries. Well, that's what I've done on each occasion including costs, play etc. I would never met with a man (whom I haven't met before, a total stranger) at the front door. I did it once, coupled up with a man to get in, but he was part of a large group of us. People knew him and it was discussed prior the night. I got the choice. I did feel ok with that and fine. However, we had no obligation to each other once we were inside (discussed prior). As for ratio, I guess it depends on what the organisers want who plan, as each event would be different. Single nights are great as there is not much out there in the community that really caters for single ladies, where they can feel safe. Sure, there's titty bars/gentlemen clubs for men..but nothing really caters for the "single" ladies, besides Adult clubs. Ms Foxy
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RHP User
9 years ago
Re your remarks about safety in a few of your posts, generally speaking, they don't want to cut us up and put us in the freezer. Most times they just want to have sex 😉 where did anyone ask about safety? Men and women need to all take care but women aren't any more at risk than men. This topic is also about singles, not single women exclusively. But as a single woman, I haven't been chopped up once 😀 the inferrence or idea that every woman is a nervous, shaking butterfly, lacking in confidence, needing a man or friend to hold their hand, is a bit old school isn't it? If you need that, fine, but don't be implying all women do 😃
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RHP User
9 years ago
Shrinking violet I meant, coffee coming up, need more coffee 😀
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RHP User
9 years ago
Great idea! Don't over think or out balance the ratio. Start a new trend and you'll probably trend the care factor...
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RHP User
9 years ago
From my understanding, if only singles? With the ratio of willing men to woman attending.... Essentially a gang bang event! Mmmmm.
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RHP User
9 years ago
As a single guy spending around a hundred dollars to go to a club just isn't rationale. And obviously there isn't a guarantee of sex, which is totally appropriate but I look at what else I can buy with a hundred dollars and it just seems silly. There has to be a way to bring the two camps together, maybe a second room where one can only go if you have someone to have sex with or something I don't know. I get the economics and that there are a lot more guys but there are also a lot of guys who would be scared away if they got the offer of sex and would never come back. I have been invited to a few parties where the guy has to pay and no one else and I just havnt gone, I'm quite happy to pay for costs of a room if everyone does but if its just me that feels more like prostitution without the guarantee of sex than horny people meeting, in the same way that I have never bought a girl I am trying to sleep with a drink who isn't a friend, it may be naïve but I want someone to kiss me because they want to not because I have paid money and they havnt. Having said that house parties are always more fun than clubs haha much more fun :-)
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Dorey12
9 years ago
Where have you gone to HornyBitch6969? Your profile seems to have dropped off
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RHP User
9 years ago
From what I've read / heard elsewhere, that even if you had a 1/1 ratio male to female, in general you'd have unhappy customers. There's a fair number of single females who are quite content to justify go along, with low expectations of participating. Even in this thread, amongst a more enlightened group, many males come across as they wouldn't go to an event unless almost guaranteed sex. There's also the 'sexual persuasion' aspect of it. You don't need to view many RHP profiles before you see the numbers of females that are bisexual, bi-curious, experimental or unsure is much higher then men. So there's plenty of females quite happy (/wanting) to play with both of a couple. Or just another woman at parties. Single Guys who'd go along expecting/wanting to do this? Negligible (and that's fine, I'm not one of the rare ones). It does further push the ratio of females to males required (for ongoing parties not clearly stated party where males going in know they'll be one of many to every female). So outside of an event specifically catering for ladies who want a skewed ratio (and all power to them!) and men happy to be part of that, I'd hazard a bare minimum to have an event with singles not grind to a halt would be 1.5 females to 1 male. So a lay females not wanting to be outnumbered (if planned as a recurring event that wasn't quickly found out as a cash cow), ladies would have to be confident such a ratio was strictly enforced. Good luck getting enough numbers to make it viable then. Clubs do want to make money. If there was a way to do it, they would. As it stands with perceptions and expectations of clubs from both genders, except for clubs ripping guys off with crazy ratios of men/women (who get found out fairly quick these days), it's not going to happen (or very rarely) anytime soon. - Posted from rhpmobile
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Paradisepair
9 years ago
Book a space, host a singles houseparty, give it a go. In the UK, KK hosts singles nights but they also host women only nights, everyone is looking for something different. I play as a single sometimes and most of the time as a couple, singles parties are fun, but the ones I have been to handpick the cream of the crop when it comes to men. That works for me, as does having slightly more guys than girls. These parties also allowed couples to attend but not to pair off, it's the pairing off and the illusion of 'cliques' which can make coming to a party solo feel lonely. I've also witnessed singles coming as a couple having dramas, due to one feeling abandoned, a real enough scenario and sensation to feel if it's a couples party. My advice if you have only just met, take the time to explore and enact on your chemistry first, then work the party...
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