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Show cause at work because ive been seen on RHP
May 03 2011
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RHP User
15 years ago
I would want to know how they know you are a member.
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RHP User
15 years ago
As long as you haven't used RHP on work computers then I don't see what their case is. In fact I think legally you'd have a very good case for unfair dismissal. There's actually quite a series of hurdles they have to jump through to sack you if you're a permanent employee. I use RHP on the work computer but that's because I'm the boss ! Guess I can get away with it. I think being a swinger or a player or sex addict or a simply a horny fucker has NO relation to work UNLESS you are doing it ON WORK TIME or WORK PROPERTY (eg, sex in the office). Maybe check your contract before the meeting. Do you have an ex who would have informed on you ? I've heard of that happening before. Good luck , Saturn
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RHP User
15 years ago
Even if you are not they may still be able to give you some advice. Otherwise say as little as possible, after all it is none of their business what you do in your private life. Good luck.
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RHP User
15 years ago
have you got HR/union representation? If so, take advantage of it! Do not going into that meeting without someone batting for you!Geez, who do you work for, Sanitarium?
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RHP User
15 years ago
I would want to know why they think you may be a member. Get them to provide proof, basically let them do all the talking and I would be openly recording the conversation as well. I think the only question would be how your private life (outside work) has any impact on your work.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'Polar_Bear_Girl'have you got HR/union representation? If so, take advantage of it! Do not going into that meeting without someone batting for you!Geez, who do you work for, Sanitarium? Don't go into this meeting alone! Get your mouthpiece to do all the talking! Cause as you know there will be more than one "Boss" in that meeting beating down on you! xFunlovingx
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RHP User
15 years ago
and the person who placed these allegations against you is of course receiving the same treatment?? Yes??? Because how else would they know??? I cant (currently) see a pic of you publicly so wouldnt the accuser have met you somehow through the site?? Or have you just removed your pics??? . Agree with the other statements - take your union rep or lawyer with you...definately have someone else with you (you are entitled to a witness of your own - union or not) and record it in some way...belonging to an adult dating and social networking site is not illegal . Kisses Focus
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RHP User
15 years ago
So... errrrm. Have you been rejecting the boss's wife?I can appreciate that this is a serious concern to you but really... how did your employer ...errrr... come .... by this information?I'd be asking for letter detailing the nature of the complaint and the reason you are required to show cause.. e.g. what company employment policy is it alleged has been traversed. If they're serious about it, then they'll provide it in writing... and we all know legal evidence is better when available in writing when you show up with your lawyer informing them of the potential for a wrongful dismissal claim.HugsStalky
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RHP User
15 years ago
You employer would not be entitled to sever your employment for being a RHP member.1. Refuse to acknowledge whether you are or not as it is none of their business!2. If they claim that you used company equipment to access RHP then they are entitled to give you a warning for this and you will not be able to do this any longer aalthough at no point agree that you did it. I am sure anyone at work could know your password in any case? Their equipment is their equipment and they are entitled to direct it's use. Unless you had already agreed not to use the equipment this way, and they can prove you have done so despite this agreement with them then at worst you should be warned.3. If they try to end your employment over this issue you need to contact now Fair Work Australia asap. You will need to decide whether you want your job back or whether you want compensation while you find another.Unfortunately many employers are not aware of the restrictions on them in dismissing staff unfairly..Good luck )
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RHP User
15 years ago
The Association of Professional Engineers, Scientists and Managers, Australia is your representative union, by the way. You might like to phone them for a little advice.HUgsS
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RHP User
15 years ago
Have you recently jilted/upset anyone lately who may know where you work? There are a stack of crazies out there and someone may have contacted your employer with made up BS.
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RHP User
15 years ago
....how they can prove it is you. I would be asking them the questions first.... Quoting 'Polar_Bear_Girl'Have you recently jilted/upset anyone lately who may know where you work? There are a stack of crazies out there and someone may have contacted your employer with made up BS. What PBG said....
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RHP User
15 years ago
It's much more fun to hang your head in shame, be unfairly dismissed and THEN walk in there to collect your severance pay and settlement. My company always fires people without using their brains and then just pays them a wad of cash as an apology of sorts. Don't know what's taking them so long with me... . Like everyone else said - what policy could you possibly have breached.
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Letsgetcrazy09
15 years ago
How do they know about RHP.......for that matter how do they know that you know about RHP...........deny all Then again are they of the opposite sex, have they seen you on RHP ........... mmmm .......perhaps they are trying to get in your pants........ Cootar......seriously, follow Lustbirds & Stalky's advice........ JMO Lets
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RHP User
15 years ago
If you've never used their resources it's none of their business!Record notes about every thing and say nothing off the cuff. Just collect information and save your questions for a later time when you've been able to go over your notes and properly absorb their rhetoric.
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BradBrisCanHost
15 years ago
Firstly I wish you well in protecting your life and privacy against people who have no right to stick their nose into your personal life. I suggest there is some good advice here for you to follow. In terms of using their equipment, it may include a company provided mobile or home internet connection etcHowever I would also suggest you prepare yourself for the likelihood that information will be leaked/gossiped and your private life will known by the rest of the company. It is a tactic often used to make a person quit rather than they sacking you. As hard as it will be, make sure you don't lose your tenper and say something offensive, swear etc during the meeting, it will give them easier grounds.I would also suggest you check your contract for a hidden 'morals' clause as they are sometimes included but most people don't even notice them - after all we are all sure we are morally sound - its others who may disagree. On another note, when people say they don't wish to post face pics on their public profile, I hope that the critics remember this situation and are a bit more understanding. It doesn't matter if a person is fully comfortable with their own sexuality or sexual tastes, we exist in the real world and there will always be those that think they are moral guardians of the world who will try to impose their restrictions on everyone, and the majority who will sit back and say nothing because it isn't happening to them. Brad
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RHP User
15 years ago
You could always show up in a wig, latex corset, high heels with a whip and a gimp ball and say Right who's up for a flogging Bitches!!!!
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'wowwow09'You could always show up in a wig, latex corset, high heels with a whip and a gimp ball and say Right who's up for a flogging Bitches!!!! Are you suggesting his outfit for when he applies for a job as Stalky's barista....?
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RHP User
15 years ago
I would : not enter into a discussion with my employer about this without having an independent witness.. : definitely contact an Industrial relations lawyer .. : definitely contact my union ....Please Do not take this as anything but a violation of your personal rights and you must make sure you get the advice . Good luck Sassy x
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'sassyme'I would : not enter into a discussion with my employer about this without having an independent witness.. : definitely contact an Industrial relations lawyer .. : definitely contact my union .... Please Do not take this as anything but a violation of your personal rights and you must make sure you get the advice . Good luck Sassy x Just the fact that they have initiated this is very disturbing. Do not expect reasonablness from them. Protect yourself. Good luck xx
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RHP User
15 years ago
Oh dear goodness, what an awful predicament to find yourself in. I must agree with the comments above. Firstly, It is none of their business provided you have not/do not use their time/equipment or 'upset' someone you work with via an encounter from this site (even then, if it was on personal time, not really their concern still).Secondly, know your rights as an employee and the details of your contract of employment (including the small print). Know in your mind if there are any points in that contract that you MAY have violated and know how you can respond at the appropriate time.Thirdly, don't go in alone. Make sure you have representation. Don't confirm anything. Ask for their complaint against you in writing along with their evidence to back up their claim so that you may consider an appropriate response. You have the right to reply and they should be willing to give you reasonable time to respond.It really does highlight how open to criticism members of this (or other) adult sites are. Take care all.Please post to let us know how you get on. Good luck.
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RHP User
15 years ago
to be on redhotpie, SEX is the most natural thing in the world! xxx
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RHP User
15 years ago
...is why I am not keen on putting my pic up!I've already spotted a few familiar workplace faces here, can't end well.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Thanks for all the kind and sensible words of advice will let everybody know tomorrows outcome, i have fantastic legal representation , my younger, smarter, hotter, brother, lol, wont be letting anyone violate my rights or privacy any further than they already have. And to all those that have taken the time to send me personal messages, thank you for the effort and concern that you have shown with regard to this blatant disregard to my private life. This sort of nonsense cannot be allowed nor condoned and i will not tolerate this intursion into my life. Thanks again and will keep you posted Brad
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RHP User
15 years ago
I just want to wish you the best for tomorrow...I am sure that alot of us will be thinking of you and hoping that all goes your way xo xFunlovingx
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RHP User
15 years ago
Hope all goes well tomorrow.Wowwow that's my job!!
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RHP User
15 years ago
The new FWA Act - 2009 covers virtually all of this including "constructive dismissal" as well as "unfair dismissal" with reasonalble compensation albeit capped under the Act itself. | If you are working for a firm that is large enough to have a written workplace policy (generally employers with over 15 employees) and/or must comply with the regulations pertaining to "enterprise agreements" then you may have a violation that could be deemed as harassment and/or bullying...as well as breach of due process, such as performance councilling. | If it's the latter...the door will be hitting a few folks in the ass and none of them will be you...and get your brother to drop the golden bomb with a huge price tag...agree to settle without too much public scrutiny, sign the hold harmless agreements then head for Mexico. | I always did like "The Shawshank Redemption".
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RHP User
15 years ago
1. the employers are female - bonus 2. the employer has hot wife who is a player - bonus 3. the employer has seen you tugging the sausage in full frame cam show and you are in a "public" position - gonskis
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RHP User
15 years ago
What happend!
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RHP User
15 years ago
Because it impacts how others in society view you. Allows others to judge you and then from there possibly not want to use your professional services or the companys professional services because of their personal opinion of you.Let me tell you right now if I actually went to uni and was actually successful at what I do for a career I certainly wouldnt have my photo anywhere online because I would want my personal life to be exactly that... PersonalIm not anyone special and even now theres no way I would put my profile pics public.......
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RHP User
15 years ago
C'mon, tell us what we're dying to know..... is your brother a member? :p xx Sarah
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RHP User
15 years ago
Well it seems that whilst i was away working in adelaide at the v8 supercar event a nosey work colleague who i had never met and never roomed with previously, decided he would without my permission or knowledge use my computer to log into some damn church and its facebook profile that he is associated with . My computer was still loged into rhp as i had just walked down to the ice machine and i had only minimised the page as i knew i would be back in around 5 mins and id been having trouble loging on , I might add that whilst we were sharing a motel we were both in seperate rooms and my door was never open and i have never discussed this site with anybody i am even remotely associated with in the work field, i have never logged on whilst at work or using any work computers or telephones, never had a fling or even asked a workmate out for a drink. My brother, a barrister read my work contract and assured me that there is nothing in the agreement that would allow them to pursue a termination on these grounds or to even have the authority to move in this direction based on the heresay evidence of one individual.So on that basis they have no case and have been put on notice in writing and my concerns have been lodged with the appropriate people ( Chasingmidnight was right, and thanks for the advice, thats the route my brother took ) Thanks to everybody for their concen, this could happen to anyone, via any means , but our privacy our personal choices and rights ( provided that their lawful )should be protected at all costs . This happened all to easily because one person decided that their personal rights allowed them to have acess to my computer without my consultation, i ask who is really wrong here. Anyway ironically ive got to get to work Cootar
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RHP User
15 years ago
I hate religious people that take a "holier than thou" approach and are too bloody nosey for their own good. I have been a victim of that myself but thankfully it didn't effect my work. Hope he gets a kick in the butt for being a stickybeak and wasting people's time.Happy that all is ok now.Jealous that you were in Adelaide for the V8's!
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RHP User
15 years ago
Should have been reprimanded for entering your room without your permission and using your computer without your permission. That is a breach of trust in my opinion.I'm pleased you had a positive outcome. Go wellWPG
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RHP User
15 years ago
I really hope your nosey work collegue, invading your privacy received more than a slap on the wrist....! It would be very funny if his "church" is some sort of cult.....lol
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RHP User
15 years ago
You are one of the nice guys ...What happened with a reprimand to the Holier than though Prick ??? I sure hope he got his ...Sass xx
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RHP User
15 years ago
There are quite strict constraints around the Act that protect all parties...even ones that you weren't really invited to attend. Not that I am a vindictive prick...but if I had documentation on this one and it was me, I think a copy would be headed for places where the sun doesn't shine too often. At the very least, an extra 4 weeks company paid annual leave... | ...might just ease the "pain and suffering". | | Go on...nail their ass. I would probably ask for a raise, too!
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RHP User
15 years ago
But the question that really does need to be answered is if any action has been undertaken by the company against the person whom made the 'report' given that they utilised your pc without your permission and accessed your room without permission.If not, why not?If no action is raised against the individual by the organisation it could be assumed that not all are equal within the eyes ofyour employer, although it could well be your decision as to whether action is taken against the other individual.Good for you that it has 'kind of' worked out as no doubt there will have been office scuttlebutt raised by the accuser and potentially those within the HR area etc regarding the 'offence'. Best of luck for the future as well and hope that there is no 'follow up' issue as a result.Shell and Gaz
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RHP User
15 years ago
The employer should have thrown the complaint against you out when it was first came to them. Espeacially seen as they knew how the info was gathered. Despite the invasion of privacy your profile is clean and respectful with nothing over the top, that offence could be taken from. So congrats with your win. And I hope the other guy has gone through the same treatment for using your personal effects without concent.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Cootar you really do deserve compensation!! they have caused you such grief !! and how dare they judge you on the say so of somebody who wasn't even suppose to be on your computer !! how damm rude!! glad its all worked out for you anyway !! way to go
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RHP User
15 years ago
WOW Cootar, i remember you talking about this issue in the chatroom the other night. I cant believe it got to the point where you had to go to a meeting with your employer!!!! I agree with everyones comments above and Im glad to see it was a good outcome!!!See you again in chat Tigesx
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RHP User
15 years ago
Some guy breaks into your room, accesses your personal computer for his own personal use, rifles through your corrospondence and then reports you to your employer because of your inappropriate behaviour... and the morons you work for put you on notice? Seriously... are they still in business because those fuckers are dumb arses given the way they handled that situation. How long do you think the job is secure before their customers realise how poorly they manage? Go and get a new job and ditch these losers! Hugs Stalky
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'Rwoby' I would want to know how they know you are a member. Could make the bosses look a bit hypocritical me thinks! And seriously, is that the worst that someone can do in their personal life? They might be doing you a favour dude! They sound like a bunch of tossers to be working for anyways
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one4thetaking
15 years ago
Hi What are your brothers thoughts that this Hughes committed trespass by entering your roomwithout your permission and used your pc and Internet account without permission? My daughter had police charge someone with theft for using her mobile phone after having stolen it - as well as the theft of the phone 14tt
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RHP User
15 years ago
We had a male teacher (Catholic School) leave his profile up on his screen by accident. The kids all saw it and distributed his profile address around the school within minutes. It was to Australia's number one gay site. He is still working at the school and the kids had their fun and nothing has been said since!!I doubt there is anything anyone can do about what you get up to in your own time.
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RHP User
15 years ago
One of my male colleagues at the Airport told me that he used to be on RHP two yrs back. Couple of guys with similar employer coincidentally came across his photos in general browsing and knowing his personal email already , started to correspond with him , pretending to be an attractive female. He ended up taking leave on a couple of occasions to go on dates with a person that did not exist and they used to make fun of him knowing his reasons for the occasional sick leave or TIL. When he found out what happened to him, he could do nothing and was devastated because he already had lied to our area manager about the reason he needed the leave at short notice so kept quiet about it. Being too obvious and visual in profile can cause unexpected problems at work ! Often enough by other practical idiots.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Cootar: Charge the colleague with a few issues.. "Theft of information" "Invasion of privacy" "Unlawful use of property" "Unlawful access of private property" "Unlawful access and use of private information" "Libel and/or Slander" "Vilification" "Defamation" etc etc etc or etc etc etc :) Meaningless... ha ha.. been caught before.. years ago in Kalgoorlie when an office girl realized a personal add in the "Miner" was mine, and wrote to me.. giving the company's "Unknown to me", OTHER phone number. Of course I called...and they had a awfully good laugh at my expense... I think I am smart enough to do suitable checks and not get caught again. I HAD a ummm RACY photo of myself on RHP at one time, and it appears it is still on ANOTHER social site. someone at work recently found it and copied it, blew it up, and it is now posted in every crib room on site and underground with all sorts of terrible stuff done to it.. *grins* When the boys comment about it to me.. I just reply with something along the lines of.. "It really scares me that a hundred construction workers are all getting so fckn excited about an old grey man in his underware..." And laugh with them. BUT.. the office and domestic staff...? Hmmm.. now there are some interesting prospects.. :) "your local caveman"
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