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Should Misogyny be Treated as a Hate Crime?
January 14 2019
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RHP User
7 years ago
Another man hater
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RHP User
7 years ago
Any crime... ...that is perpetrated because of gender, age, race or vulnerability et al is a hate crime, Peachy. I’m sure sure you already know my opinion on the ultimate sanction. Stop hate for the sake of humanity...stop it dead in its tracks. ⚡️
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RHP User
7 years ago
Any crime... ...that is perpetrated because of gender, age, race or vulnerability et al is a hate crime, Peachy. I’m sure sure you already know my opinion on the ultimate sanction. Stop hate for the sake of humanity...stop it dead in its tracks. ⚡️
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RHP User
7 years ago
I think you've either leapt to an assumption about me based on my topic or you mean something I don't understand. Peachy, I'd be interested in hearing your answer to the question. xo
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madotara69
7 years ago
My ancestors of 40000 years living together in a communal spirit, belong was given great meaning, taught from elders to the young, belong was recognised by the elders, dreamtime stories, paintings in caves about the lands, tribal law allowed belong because the elders recognised it. There were no meanings, dreamtime stories, paintings in caves about the lands for ownership, entitlement, possession.None were recognised so by tribal law..not allowed. Society in as short a few hundred years, a couple hundred in these lands.. embrace, teach, build careers, given and taken as a common rite, state of power with influence over other of lesser, given authority at every level of every thing, everything is recognised, therefore it is allowed. Consequence is for the hands of the beholder as to whether a price to pay on the balance of the scales. Often, more than not, it's the insecurities of folk, lost for to belong, taught possessive entitlement throughout life as they know from day 1 to memory. Screaming Jets, Dave Gleason sings 'Helping Hand' (he is a good kind man) Sometimes, things get a little hazySometimes, I think I'm just a little crazyI don't even know my own nameSoon all of me will go up in flames Wearing scars, on my arms and in my eyesAre you friends or enemies in disguiseSo hard, when everything just runs against meJealous words, turn into a love/hate frenzy Won't someone, lend me a helping handTime is up, to the time that's left undoneTime to grab my hat, grab my coat, I gotta load my gunSilly things always always are the ones that turn out worst And it seamsThe ones that love you always hurt you the mostWon't someone, please understandWon't someone, lend me a helping hand Won't someone, please take the time to thinkThat your actions and wordsThey don't always say what they meanSince I was a child, I used to dream of many things Superstars, the bizzare, kings and their pretty queensNow it seems, I need a shot, a drink to jog my thoughtsWhy does this happen all the timeIs ti, is it just because Because no-one will understandWon't someone, lend me a helping handWon't someone, take the time to thinkThat your actions and words They don't always say what they mean. In the best interests of society, labelling something but not limited is killing the very thing that can save it. belong, the label 'hate crime' the word 'misogyny' bare little to none effect with the fit of rage an insecure person becomes consumed, nor reasoned to consequence, just gets worse and worse. Thing is they hate themselves, the victim is not the crime of hate, the victim is the victim, always will be, it's the nature of the beast, the crime should never been allowed, the consequence is raging beyond control, by the people who took children from family in community of 40000 years balancing mother nature, caretaker of the lands, in peace with law and order, to belong, taken because they were not able to properly raise their children and because they did not have a flag. In order to have title, one must have a flag, one cant have title to these lands if he does not have a flag" Sorry Peachy xox Mado Mado Tara xx
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RHP User
7 years ago
does that mean "Misandry" would be so classified also?
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RHP User
7 years ago
I have shared an article from Sky News in the interests of getting opinions. Personally Cavey, I expected the question you have put to be raised because it is one I wondered about myself. It's not mentioned in the article obviously but it would make sense not to be sexist if we're going to go there In my opinion. 🍑
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FeistyFatty
7 years ago
No. Simple.
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RHP User
7 years ago
Ought also be good for the goose. Not to turn this into a ''us-versus-them'' gender war thread, but if women realized just how much sexism is a knife that cuts both ways. I am going to use my workplace as the template here. Just the other week at work, there was heaps of the usual junk food left over from Christmas in the staff fridge. A couple of female colleagues found a tray of rum balls and made much mirth of ''nothing like balls in your mouth at lunch'' and jokes of a similar nature. It was funny, I laughed and so did everyone else present - male and female. But reverse the genders in that scenario - if I made a joke about female bits in my mouth in a lunchroom, imagine the silence that would probably descend. I would quite possibly be in a bit of poo to be honest. And why? Me making a comment like that would be interpreted as being disrespectful toward the women present, that I viewed them as sexual objects and lesser beings, thus I felt comfortable about making sexually suggestive comments in front of them. Ergo, I would be misogynist (because we don't go from A to B anymore in such matters, it's A straight to K). In very said same lunch room, I have on occasion been the only male present and listened to my female colleagues discuss how they like to suck a dick, how attractive this male co-worker or that male co-worker is. Again, I find the conversations humorous but flip it gender-wise. What do you get? Toxic masculinity? A group of men asserting their dominance over the only woman present by making sexually explicit comments? I had a female colleague (who actually promotes herself quite actively as a feminist at work) walk in on me in the unisex shower and make a comment about my arse. Instant dismissal for such a thing were the genders reversed, no ifs or buts. On yer bike buddy. My point in all this is - if you are going to criminalize disrespectful behavior from men to women as a ''hate crime'', on the basis of ''disrespect = misogyny'', then the reverse must also apply. I really am not sure that women understand just how often they commit the same acts of disrespect.
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RHP User
7 years ago
Lol where does it end?? Making it illegal to be an idiot?? I hope not as I’d be in gaol really Fucken quick 😂😂
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RHP User
7 years ago
I just realised low bad my level of maturity is.... “The letter was sent to Metropolitan Police Commissioner Cressida Dick” I was unable to focus on the article after this Mrs LAL
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RHP User
7 years ago
Now to answer :) To designate as a hate crime..... hmmm..... nope. I can only see courts and law enforcement being strained to crisis with the number of complaints that would be lodged - justified and unjustified! Mrs LAL
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RHP User
7 years ago
Is like swallowing poison and expecting the other person to die.
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RHP User
7 years ago
Just like a lot of anti discrimination issues all the legislation won't do diddly squat without an attitudinal cultural change to back it up. Do we still have workplace bullying? Do we still have racism? Do we still have elder abuse? Are the less economically priviliged still exploited? Are the...ZZZZZZZ zzzzOH sorry fell asleep at the wheel. There's plenty of existing legislation which can be used for a variety of issues in a number of ways.Was it Ben Franklin who said those who would give freedom for security deserve neither.
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RHP User
7 years ago
I don't know what the words "hate crime" mean exactly. I'm nervous about what they do mean though. I think we should define what actions are crimes and leave people's motivations out of it because hate crime sounds a lot like thought crime and I think we should all still be allowed to have whatever thoughts we have because I'm not sure they are controllable. I think discriminating against somebody on the basis of gender should be illegal. I think that hating women and thinking they're all total cunts should be a valid personal choice, it's a personal value judgment we are all entitled to make*. *for the record I would like to clarify that I don't actually think they are
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egr2please69
7 years ago
Like others here and for similar reasons, simply put, No. Same problem exists in both directions but society needs major generational change so men aren't totally accounted for all blame and the reverse double standards don't exist either. Here's a new thought i'm sure no-one has ever thought of before, how about we all be nice to everyone and treat everybody equally and with respect 😆🤣
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RHP User
7 years ago
It goes both ways miss peachy not just about woman all the time, but this day and age it’s all we hear about, There’s no doubt female abuse and the lack of strength to defend it is amongst us. but there’s child abuse out there just as importantly and that goes unseen more than anything and believe it or not but there’s abuse on men to which goes unheard of, go back to the Vietnam war when men where sent to die for no cause, that’s abuse coming come our own governments
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RHP User
7 years ago
Would this also mean it’s a crime to exclude single males from swingers events? If yes then i’m all for it 😁haha Any deliberate discrimination is in itself a crime, but honest how will you put a line on what is or what is not misogyny? There are so many blur and grey areas. And what if the female enjoys misogyny eg. dom sub relationship ect and what about sugar daddying or financial domination? Would that also consider a crime? Where female use their sexual power to take advantage of volunerable men?
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RHP User
7 years ago
Quoting 'egr2please69' how about we all be nice to everyone and treat everybody equally and with respect 😆🤣 That is exactly what we should be teaching in my opinion.
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RHP User
7 years ago
I wish I could unsee this thread and all of the comments added. Still, like air, I rise.
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countrytouch82
7 years ago
The question is whether we are allowed to hate at all and for what reason. A hate crime is an existing criminal offence done with the background of the hatred of someone or their type/cause etc. If you bash someone because they are a certain ethnicity, that is a hate crime, but the bashing alone is still a criminal offence even if was done randomly. The problem is making it an offence even where no actual action occurs, bordering on thought crime, which is the essence of totalitarianism. Now, I understand about the concept of hate speech (which can blur with apparent right to be a bigot or to be a hypocrite), and to try to avoid things obviously likely to cause offence. But it seems even the most conservative and worldly aware and compassionate and empathetic people out there, are still quite happy to hate say... certain people because of their choice of employment eg politicians, lawyers etc. But don't worry, they are all the same :P Essentially, it is unfair and unjust to hate anyone based on a stereotype. Right now, misogyny has it's time for scrutiny. Then however, can you hate an individual? Even the actual word hate also gets overused. People say they hate... cricket, golf or brocolli. In my opinion and reflected above in some comments, people should choose to hate less in general, and try to uncover why they hate (as opposed to a dislike for) any particular thing. Now, back to hating politicians, something perfectly acceptable that we can all agree on...
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RHP User
7 years ago
I don't honestly think this sounds like a good idea for so many reasons, many that are mentioned here already. But I wanted to get opinions simply because I'm interested in the different points, something the RHP forum is definitely good for. LOL, no need to be sorry Mado, I will reply that in a lot of cultures women are treated like crap, it is not something we see so much of for men but saying that, I have no intention to push men out of the picture at all. A sense of balance from both sides would be welcome. I don't think I've heard that song before, will have a listen! OkeyDoke, it is an interesting dilemma that. Is it that the women you know are different from the women complaining?Because I am terrible at the amount of double entendres I make in company but, I am not into girly gossip about guys. I agree with your point that the reverse must apply (rather than following society standards about men) when we are being hypocritical. Anti, I'm sure someone would offer you a get out of jail card. LOL Mrs LAL! Funny some of the convo we were just having here with the son telling me I can call him dick because he has one and balls too. Okaaay then. Good point about the level of necessary policing and court times in a world that is stretched already. Summersolstice, yes, I get that. Mojo, are those issues improving because ignoring them doesn't make them go away. It is about attitudes needing to change and I agree about over-complicating it though which is how I believe you mean to come across. Deepest. I'm thinking if people kept their thoughts and actions to themselves, this question wouldn't have been raised. But too many pass on their bias' to people around them and effect their world view. I have to recognise that women are behind the 8 ball and that is due to a world view. Egr, simple to say but ineffective in practice? I think I have a degree of agreement that women need to know they deserve to be treated well, as they have not been for the majority of history, and many are still not, but that they don't get to have their cake and eat it too? Mutual respect must be had that we can't blame all men or all women because that is unreasonable. Charlz, good to see you again. Interesting perspectives you have there. I agree there are a lot of hidden problems that need to be addressed. I am a strong supporter for recognising that women need to be recognised as not being just victims. Too many of the abuse stories I read lately involve women so I am well aware we are not Saints. And your last point, I have a couple of avenues of thought on that. A) Women are now being introduced more frequently to our protection forces and men have taken the brunt of protecting and supporting the home. But still not entirely where you are coming I think, our governments have a lot to answer for in many areas and that includes 'care' of the most vulnerable youngsters and the elderly too. Boytoy, mmm, I don't think consensual situations would count. GetMePlease, hmmm... are you not into exploring thoughts for and against. One of my favourite courses I attended back in the day focused on communication and exploration of thoughts. Gah, cheers everyone, it's rewarding to have a somewhat functioning brain this year. I hope I read you all properly and you get what I mean in reply, Peachy
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RHP User
7 years ago
Has anyone else seen it? It supports the #metoo movement. I'll have to watch it again, that was a bit weird. 🍑
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RHP User
7 years ago
The big question is why? Is it as Mado says ,hate is aa manifestation of a fragile or insecure person? Is the behaviour just learnt behaviour and how can we educate and reverse the trend? Who are the role models for young boys and girls? Attitudes are learnt not innate. Imagine as Mr Lennon once said"-imagine as others have said air we were all just loving and kind towards one another. Women and children in this country would no longer be killed at the hands of someone they love or once loved. Bystanders would no longer be killed when trying to stop someone from the act of harming another. Young men would no longer be harmed or killed when enjoying a night out with friends. People would no longer need to flee their homelands in fear of their lives. Imagine the change in the world with just an attitudinal shift. I think it was Einstein who said "Be the change you want to see in the world" Should misogyny be a crime? The thought is one thing,the action another. Hugs Q
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RHP User
7 years ago
I Hate Crime, but I Love MissOgyny, also Miss Candy and Miss Jones...…. At the moment I MissOut. Sorry, still no as I am not convinced it is a hate thing, could also be an ignorance thing or just bad upbringing, possibly a few other reasons as well, not all necessarily hateful. Anything hateful is not good, but not necessarily criminal. I absolutely hate the amount of adverts on TV, and come to think of it it should be a crime to put so many adds on. :-)
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RHP User
7 years ago
As beautiful as it is that the world is possibly going to change overnight. Beside the fact John Lennon was a hypocrite himself. There is a lot of idealism being offered on the thread but it does not recognise the reality of the situation at hand. The news story I shared points out the why of the situation, and I can see the reasoning behind it. And the why not by police who recognise the situation and their inability to deal with it. Abuse of sexual orientation is recognised as a hate crime in the story. It makes sense to me to recognise the seriousness of the situations women face as well. And I believe it should go both ways considering men cop a lot of flack though it's not talked about or recorded so much. Analysis of crime figures by the Fawcett Society estimated there were around 67,000 incidents of hate crime based on gender last year - with 57,000 of those being targeted at women, the charity said. .Peachy
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madotara69
7 years ago
Quoting 'Qefenta3' The big question is why? Is it as Mado says ,hate is aa manifestation of a fragile or insecure person? Is the behaviour just learnt behaviour and how can we educate and reverse the trend? Who are the role models for young boys and girls? Attitudes are learnt not innate. Imagine as Mr Lennon once said"-imagine as others have said air we were all just loving and kind towards one another. Women and children in this country would no longer be killed at the hands of someone they love or once loved. Bystanders would no longer be killed when trying to stop someone from the act of harming another. Young men would no longer be harmed or killed when enjoying a night out with friends. People would no longer need to flee their homelands in fear of their lives. Imagine the change in the world with just an attitudinal shift. I think it was Einstein who said "Be the change you want to see in the world" Should misogyny be a crime? The thought is one thing,the action another. Hugs Q From feeling a little lonely, it's moe a feeling privileged you are here now :)My grandad would tell me "it's not only the words of your deeds where you will be judged by your peers, it.s the actions of your deeds you will be"He also would tell me "it's not chasing women that will wear you out, it's once they 'let' you catch them, may will"I agree, please allow me to be the first, I love you MissQ, with a kiss and a hug sent into the breeze, xo
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RHP User
7 years ago
I love you to my Mado. Hugs xxx Q
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