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Poetic Justis
January 04 2013
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RHP User
13 years ago
ya takes ya chance.
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RHP User
13 years ago
However poetic justice ??? It happens occassionally But my own experience in life is this Rotten things happen to good people, good things happen to rotten people and there is the bit in between - which is called life.....things happen everyday to everyone and the earth keeps spinning Everyone has a story of someone who is going thru hell and so doesnt deserve it Everyone has a story of someone who deserves to go thru hell and isnt Is there Karma, its there a correction of the rites and wrongs in life...............??? I dont believe so It just IS !!! What matters is how your living your life in your own corner of the world NOW and if you can live with that..then so be it.
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RHP User
13 years ago
I think it's poetic justice for the people he would have sold to, but in most cases these drug dealers/makers are addicts themselves. I make no excuses and have no pity for people that endanger others doing this kind of thing especially their children, but there's usually a bit more to it than the black and white dealers and users. Especially with meth as its fairly easy to make.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Limmerical There was a young ass from Ascot.Who rode the tracks of asphalt.Stepped on the pedal.Crashed just a little.Then died from the bill of the damage.A man of savage desire.Made love too way to many.Lying to all involved.As if they where stone.And now he gets nothing at all.A lovely young lady with glamour.To shy to find a lover.She was so kind.Now has a great time.Married to good man with karma.Sorry all, but what the hell. i have nothing better to say, and in my little way, I just contribute for joy.
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RHP User
13 years ago
I know its not much that this one arse wipe got what he deserved, as he probably hurt hundreds of other people before he blow up his drug lab..But his karma did catch up with him GT
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RHP User
13 years ago
a whole new meaning to blow and go really...
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RHP User
13 years ago
Justice and Love are blind but this is for an other forum....No I believe every human life deserves to live no matter what they do with out any exceptions....i am not the one who will judge others people life and what they deserve as a punishment....I do congrat the best of everyone....So did his wounds bring back lifes....That would be justice....
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RHP User
13 years ago
It takes all kinds to make up this world. Personally I think that getting behind the wheel of a car pissed off your brain is just as bad as a drug dealer but alcohol is legal. I feel that some of the corporate dealings are just as underhand, damaging and nasty as a drug dealer. Other types of crime including rape and pedophilia are just as damaging. As long as the money is there to be made then the drug dealers and manufacturers will make it. Mayhaps the government would be far better off just legalising amounts for personal use and then there would no longer be that much money to be made. End of the drug dealers. They would have to become legitimised business owners. But hey, what would I know. I am not paid the amount of money the pollies are paid to stuff it all up.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Do you smoke or be a little boozy from time to time?Should we also blow up Dan Murphy or the local newsagent cigarette seller? They kill and hurt way more than some clown with a bunsen burner. The number of women I've chatted to on here who've told me stories about how booze got them beaten up or split their family.. ~sheesh~The only difference is the social propaganda pushed by the establishment. Be careful to what you listen to or they'll have you believing boat people are terrorists and Ponting was a great captain..Nah.. when ever someone hurts them selves I feel a little sorry for them.. No matter who they are.
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RHP User
13 years ago
LittleRedEngine A voice of reason. Oh dude you are so refreshing. Shame you are a lone voice in a large crowd set in its ways.Totally agree with every word you say...
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RHP User
13 years ago
... smoke - less crap for the feds to deal with. But someone getting burnt - nah, not good. KK xx
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RHP User
13 years ago
It's a messy subject, drugs. But I shed a tear each time I hear the newsreader announce "police have seized $2 billion worth of cocaine coming through Australian customs", as if it was a good thing?! There's your cost of living pressures blowing through the roof (pun intended.)I agree with Handmaiden and LRE though - to my way of thinking, the fact that we have underground drug labs at all is the problem. We should instead have highly regulated, licensed labs with enforced safety and quality standards, and start looking at drugs as a medical issue and not a legal issue. The war on drugs has failed, criminalising our kids has failed, and countless lives have been lost in this fruitless political beat up.
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RHP User
13 years ago
A drug manufacturer getting blown up in his lab or getting shot in a bad deal is just a case of death by natural causes for these people. They take the risk, they get the cash, they ruin lives and then they pay a hefty price. Just ask Carl Williams, oh wait you can't hahaha
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'gtbi_mm'I know its not much that this one arse wipe got what he deserved, as he probably hurt hundreds of other people before he blow up his drug lab.. I work with drug addicts on a daily basis and, though I will never know know how many, a number of them are drug dealers. Hotdiggetty makes a very good point in saying things are not black and white. My patients deal to support their own habits, not to hurt others. A few years back a lady with a big heart I had known for a long time got badly burnt in a similar explosion and spent months in hospital. She never complained and figured it was karma. I disagreed, and still do. HM, LRE, Drift and Peachy: Thanks for your well thought-out responses.
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RHP User
13 years ago
I have watch close friends die from drugs, to much drinking and buying fast cars they cant handle when getting a license...But karma can be a bitch and I am sorry I don't have any feelings for people who get blown up in their own drug lab with them in it, I rather they do that than with our police or innocent people getting hurt ....Yes drugs are out of control and do cost our government a lot of money.... But thank you all for shearing.....GT
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RHP User
13 years ago
I think that seeing that the news report never confirmed it WAS a drug lab, when I saw it on tv last night, and things may well have been confirmed by now, but I think it's somewhat irresponsible to be making this out to be something it may NOT be......that said I'm sure that noone likes hearing of others being hurt in ANY circumstance as LRE has said....I'd sure as hell hate to be their family, or those professionals dealing with the aftermath of such an incident....and I say professionals to also encompass the ambos and the fireys, doctors etc, that deal first hand with shit flying from the fan.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'LittleRedEngine' Do you smoke or be a little boozy from time to time?Should we also blow up Dan Murphy or the local newsagent cigarette seller? They kill and hurt way more than some clown with a bunsen burner. The number of women I've chatted to on here who've told me stories about how booze got them beaten up or split their family.. ~sheesh~The only difference is the social propaganda pushed by the establishment. Be careful to what you listen to or they'll have you believing boat people are terrorists and Ponting was a great captain..Nah.. when ever someone hurts them selves I feel a little sorry for them.. No matter who they are. Well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking would be more inclined to think that Drugs are a medical/social issue ... it has been made into far too much of a legal issue over time. Seems to me we (humans)have an somewhat skewed disposition to declare a self-interest war on any problem that we can not seem to find a creative solution for that works within today's societal framework and cultures.Interesting that rather than employ the technology that came out of the largest opium producing region in the world ( Afghanistan, Uzbekistan,Tajikistan etc ) that cures people of their heroin addiction in a process taking less than 3 days (under medical supervision) our government ( the voters) choose a life time support of Methadone and criminalization.The politicians and the media are forever talking about things that separate us, things that make us different from one another. That is the way the ruling class operates in any society.Here is another way to look at it care of George Carlin... An interesting form of murder we've (humans) come up with is assassination. You know what's interesting about assassination? Well, not only does it change those popularity polls in a big fucking hurry.....but it's also interesting to notice who it is we assassinate. Did you ever notice who it is...? Stop to think who it is we kill? It's always people who've told us to to live together in harmony and try to love one another like:Jesus, or Gandhi, Lincoln, John Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King,Malcolm X, John Lennon. They all said "Try to live together peacefully.Then" BAM! Right in the fuckin' head. Apparently, we're just not ready for that!I like to form my own opinions! I don't just roll over when I am told to "The Australian Dream", cause you have to be asleep to believe it.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'MrsPeachyPear' the Mr was relating to me the high percentage of people attending the emergency departmen because of alcohol related injuries on a daily basis and how that almost doubles over the weekend to become close to half of all admissions. You can't tell me that's not a problem. Thank Mr Peachy for his comment. Alcohol is often forgotten when it comes to discussing Australia's drug problems. In hospitals it is called "Alcohol and other drugs" for a reason. And quoting gtbi: I have watch close friends die from drugs, to much drinking and buying fast cars they cant handle when getting a license... You said it. There is personal responsibility involved here. Would you say the bottleshop selling under-aged kids alcohol was responsible for their deaths? Or the car dealership, selling P-Platers fast cars?
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RHP User
13 years ago
WOW, I never knew about that?!That sounds really cool. It seems I need to do a little googling.And thanks everyone for their comments ~hugs~ Quoting 'Nudierudie2'Interesting that rather than employ the technology that came out of the largest opium producing region in the world ( Afghanistan, Uzbekistan,Tajikistan etc ) that cures people of their heroin addiction in a process taking less than 3 days (under medical supervision) our government ( the voters) choose a life time support of Methadone and criminalization.
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RHP User
13 years ago
I am of a slightly different opinion as we are human and humans like to get out of their skulls sometimes. Whether that is because we don't like what's in there as in the mentally ill or just because its fun humans have always wanted to alter their conciuosness. Drug use is a health debate not a justice debate, perhaps if the drugs were cheaper it wouldn't be a law and order issue. Mike
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'Nudierudie2' Interesting that rather than employ the technology that came out of the largest opium producing region in the world ( Afghanistan, Uzbekistan,Tajikistan etc ) that cures people of their heroin addiction in a process taking less than 3 days (under medical supervision) our government ( the voters) choose a life time support of Methadone and criminalization. It does not cure people of any addiction, it gets their body "clean" from drugs in a very short time. Two very different things. Think of it like this: when you quit smoking, it only takes a day for all the nicotine to be out of your system. Does that mean you've cured your addiction? If only it were that easy. I've worked with heroin addicts for almost twenty years now. Methadone is the lesser of two evils, but thank god it's there. As for criminalisation: Legalise heroin already!
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RHP User
13 years ago
Absolutely agree Ms.D,decrimalise drugs immediately,in whose interest is it not too.
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madotara69
13 years ago
Sorry, your last little comment blew it. who are you to judge with something you are in one way or another involved with.(ecstasy) was prescribed to our grandads to help mend their marriage after the war, poor buggers.(amphetamines) they were issued to soldiers for fighting longer hours and to dull the pain. some so they could fly an airplane on a one way long journey into battle, to protect their family. They had a funeral before take off.The majority of those soldiers died from the smokes they were issued with, or the alcohol addiction.The lowest life forms may indeed start from the top, people who you admire the mosthave you seen the effects of anti depressant dependency, worse than heroin, i believewhat of the children sniffing petrol or thinnersunkind words and thoughtless snubs are but the echoes from a small and frightened person.If this upsets everyone, then so be it.
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RHP User
13 years ago
I do give a fuck!!!!!!But I guess this is up to U in the end!!!Upset GT
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RHP User
13 years ago
You are most definitely the voice of reason. I agree with you wholeheartedly, I had a discussion about this sort of thing with an acquaintance who is a drug/alcahol and family counsellor. She has seen so much more heartache caused by alcohol, as you mentioned LRE, violence against women and children, alcohol is widely accepted so people think it is not on a par with illegal drugs when it comes to the breakdown of society. It has alot to answer for, I know first hand the crap you put up with when dealing with an alcoholic.
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RHP User
13 years ago
no...theres no poetry that could describe how it feels to have a family torn apart by drugs.....or alcohol for that matter... the guy, if he was a manufacturer, got what he perhaps was always going to get, but whether he 'deserved' it or not, isnt up to any of us.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'mikeandshel' no...theres no poetry that could describe how it feels to have a family torn apart by drugs.....or alcohol for that matter... the guy, if he was a manufacturer, got what he perhaps was always going to get, but whether he 'deserved' it or not, isnt up to any of us. Thank you for this.... I feel that most of us in times like this we forgot our humanity and we become vultures ready to eat flesh...Yes there are criminal minds among us and yes there re bad habbits that can torn families apart...It is so easy to say "crucify him", but it's never easy to help people.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Addiction of any kind is an illness. that was someones son, brother, father All of us has an addiction of some kind and smokes and booze rack up the higest cost to the community in health and other services followed by food , where we are killing ourselves with our knife and fork People make some huge mistakes, drugs fill up the prisons most of the guys in prison have litteracy issues, the real drug kings are the political machines in all countries untouched and ohhh wait what about people that make weapons? life is not that simple Look at each man with compassion, or one day it could be you, or someone you love that fucks up badly I pity addicts I seem them at their lowest, human beings wrecked beyond repair some time, and they did not start of that way they were children with dreams that got crushed allong the twisted path of their lives.
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RHP User
13 years ago
I've seen a lot of things over the last few months but pretty much every guy I've met who's using/used meth (which seems to be the drug of choice these days) had some crazy stories to tell about their childhood, broken homes, fostered out, abused, beaten etc etc. a lot of people have no compassion whatsoever because they've never really experienced life like that, it's beyond some people's comprehension. I don't think I'll ever look at the world the same way.
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madotara69
13 years ago
Quoting 'gtbi_mm' I do give a fuck!!!!!!But I guess this is up to U in the end!!!Upset GT If you didn't care, the topic would not have taken it's coarse to remind us all of it's importance to be an active issue for any opinions. The only war that can win this one, lies within us as families protecting each other, and learning to understand these problems.The upseting part is the explossion. In my oppinoin the person did not know what they were doing, therefor it is more than likely they were another victim of temptation targeted by these syndicates. The majority of these labs found are in family homes at low level production. These kids are vulnerable and naive to the consequences as they have a dependency to the drugs.Our Governments handed the recopies out, and allowed this mess to take its course. Organized chaos.Our police did not enter the community and educate the families to identify and retrain the thoughts of our kids, they just lock them up and class them as low life criminals.It is a proud kind of upset you should be feeling, in my opinion.I am a small and frightened person as well, I just believe that people do things for their own reasons, and it is for themselves to apply judgement for their choices.Thanks GTMado,Tara & our family
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RHP User
13 years ago
I will say that some of the comments have altered my stance on this somewhat. However, I can't shake the feeling that if he was a normal everyday worker it wouldn't have happened, so my sympathy level is far less than some, some people can't be saved and some don't want to be, the rest I really don't have the answer. Those that talk of decriminalising drugs, think a little about this, if dealers weren't dealing, police numbers would be cut substantially because there is less need for surveillance/raids/arrests, so then a number of prison guards would get sacked because they'd have a lot less criminals to look after, then there would be less judges, less lawyers, less court staff-stenographers and such, then the flow on effect to nurses, doctors, shrinks, pharmaceutical companies etc etc? My question is this, where do these people find work? The flow on effect would be astronomical, the bottom line would be higher unemployment rates, more "street" crime, more drug users. That's part of the reason why the government will never legalise drugs.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'Torturedcliche' Those that talk of decriminalising drugs, think a little about this, if dealers weren't dealing, police numbers would be cut substantially because there is less need for surveillance/raids/arrests, so then a number of prison guards would get sacked because they'd have a lot less criminals to look after, then there would be less judges, less lawyers, less court staff-stenographers and such, then the flow on effect to nurses, doctors, shrinks, pharmaceutical companies etc etc? My question is this, where do these people find work? The flow on effect would be astronomical, the bottom line would be higher unemployment rates, more "street" crime, more drug users. That's part of the reason why the government will never legalise drugs. I'm usually quite good at picking up sarcasm and irony in posts, but if this is legitimate, it has to be the most absurd justification I've ever heard!
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RHP User
13 years ago
Propaganda is still riff today. EG smoking kills over 14000 a year, around 40 people a day people, 10 times more then driving cars in Australia. In the USA half a million a year die from smoking every year.Don't get me wrong smoking is not good for you, don't start, its costs is too much, the financial stress is worse than smoking. It smells and is not a good habit. But it does not kill like the governments around the world claim.So lets get this in perspective. If you have any problem that can be caused by smoking and you proclaim you have smoked then it is entered into the statistics that you have a smoking related illness. No mater how long you smoked, when, or the rate, passive or 50 a day. You hence forth have be made ill by smoking.About 20% of people die every year from Lung cancer. About 20% of people smoke across the western world. But only 20% of people that smoke die of lung cancer. So if you smoke your likely hood of dying from lung cancer does not increase much ( under a 1% increased chance). It is madness. If you smoke you die from it????. So if we stopped smoking would we save millions a year. NO NO NO. Smoking increases your risk but its very very small. (My uncle is a cardiologist and he is one of the few people that let me smoke in his house with his family)So balanced up you have an increased risk of premature death if you smoke. But it is small very small (less then a percentage point), why do you think it took years (30 odd years) for professional scientist to find any correlation.Remember if you declare you smoke and you die of something that has increases your risk by smoking you have been proclaimed as dying from smoking.Really only 140 people a year die from lung cancer caused by smoking.Again please don't smoke.So why the madness, why the constant campaigns against smoking.Well its very simple. Money, the root of all evil.Across the world in most first world counties smoking has fallen from 40% to 20% in the last 50 years no matter if the governments have any active policies against it In Australia they use the fear to justify the tarrifs. Despite the continued world wide drop in smoking the governments in Australia have increase taxes to maintain a constant income. They claim its to reduce smoking, but you will find they are chasing reduced smoking to maintain income not that increasing taxes to save lives and reduce smoking. They know it (may be not the leaders and party, they are ignorant pawns of the bureaucratic system)So in the end drugs and their control is about money. If you want me to get into meth, pot, E's, etc.. Ask personally.We all die and the leading cause of death for all is oxygen them most dangerous cancer causing agent known to man.. Fucken ignorance of so many drives me nuts.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Thanks guys, Its just I have seen a lot to do with drugs and its not good.....In Geraldton we had a drugs grower (Dope) shot in front of his wife and children and another man in the same drug set up killed with a hammer, these people involved do not give a shit on who they hurt, so I don't see why I should give a shit when they get hurt.....Its the innocent kids and people that get hurt that upset me.... Years ago my wife and I had our house ransack and lot $15000 worth of gear just because some dh drug maker up the road wanted more money to make his drugs and the police never did get back our stuff.....So we shifted house to a new suburb so far no trouble.....GT
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RHP User
13 years ago
I'm not saying its right, nor am I saying its a perfect representation of the governmental reasoning. I'm just saying that would be part of it. Then there is the influence of religious groups etc. it's a massive can of worms that is too complex for the average group of people to fully grasp all contributing factors
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'Ms_Devious' Quoting 'Nudierudie2' Interesting that rather than employ the technology that came out of the largest opium producing region in the world ( Afghanistan, Uzbekistan,Tajikistan etc ) that cures people of their heroin addiction in a process taking less than 3 days (under medical supervision) our government ( the voters) choose a life time support of Methadone and criminalization. It does not cure people of any addiction, it gets their body "clean" from drugs in a very short time. Two very different things. Think of it like this: when you quit smoking, it only takes a day for all the nicotine to be out of your system. Does that mean you've cured your addiction? If only it were that easy. I've worked with heroin addicts for almost twenty years now. Methadone is the lesser of two evils, but thank god it's there. As for criminalisation: Legalise heroin already! I would hardly expect you to know of this natural process as they are still working on exploiting the process to create a Pharmaceutical equivalent.It works the process of which i speak, when aiming to help someone you love dearly break the cycle of addiction,you will try just about anything even something that would seem unconventional or even crazy to most just to break that cycle.I know the family and social impacts only to well I know what its like to "Babysit" a heroin addicts and their children, i did it from the age of 11. Like most people I have done and will do anything for my family. I am not fishing for sympathy i don't need it,you do what you have to do,when you have to do it.It was certainly an eye opening, character building decade or so.It has been conclusively shown that both the central nervous system and the immune system play important roles in creating addiction, which can be blocked via the immune system of the brain.Blocking the immune systems response in the brain by blocking an immune receptor,called TLR4 ,prevents cravings for Opioid`type drugs.If you thought i was talking about Naloxone (Narcan)? the opioid inverse agonist that can counter an opiate overdose.....I wasn't
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'Torturedcliche' I'm not saying its right, nor am I saying its a perfect representation of the governmental reasoning. I'm just saying that would be part of it. Then there is the influence of religious groups etc. it's a massive can of worms that is too complex for the average group of people to fully grasp all contributing factors There will be a day when all people of all races,colours and beliefs can live together in total trust and respect, on a planet that is clean, abundant and healthy.I doubt it will be in this generation, nor even on this planet
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'LittleRedEngine' Do you smoke or be a little boozy from time to time?Should we also blow up Dan Murphy or the local newsagent cigarette seller? They kill and hurt way more than some clown with a bunsen burner. The number of women I've chatted to on here who've told me stories about how booze got them beaten up or split their family.. ~sheesh~The only difference is the social propaganda pushed by the establishment. Be careful to what you listen to or they'll have you believing boat people are terrorists and Ponting was a great captain..Nah.. when ever someone hurts them selves I feel a little sorry for them.. No matter who they are. Could not have said it better myself.
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RHP User
13 years ago
The most diplomatic thread i have read on these forums. Starting, however unconventional, was just one persons opinion which gave way to a lot of others opening up.Well done and i say live and let live. Everything has it's place in the world and without the darker things, how could you appreciate the light?
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RHP User
13 years ago
the person who stole your car being busted for the pot you had stashed under the front seat!
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RHP User
13 years ago
WELL NO YOUR JUST SAYING HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT DRUGS , HES LUCKY SOMEONE ELES DIDNT BLOW IT UP FOR HIM , AND HES LUCKY THE NIEGHBORS DIDNT GET BLOWN UP OR HURT ALLONG WITH THE HIM COOL , NOW EM I BEING MEAN OR IS THIS MENT TO BE A ADULT SEX DATING SITE ...DAS
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RHP User
13 years ago
Probably going nowhere fast. MLK(jn) had a dream.. as do.. obvious in some of the above comments... some of the respondants to the OP. However.. until mankind changes at a phenomenal degree.. then we will have the social issues we have now.. They WON'T change in Alabama! They WON'T change in America They WON'T change in Australia... AND they WON'T change anywhere else in the world. The BOTTOM line is.... MLK(jn) was killed... he was killed by someone/some who had a greater agenda.. By someone/some who DO NOT want equallity at any level... The DRUG issues are controlled likewise.. Including smokes, weed, alcohol and heavier ones... Don't hold your breath waiting for change in Australia anytime soon. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at a table of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a desert state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day the state of Alabama, whose governor's lips are presently dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, will be transformed into a situation where little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls and walk together as sisters and brothers. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.
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RHP User
13 years ago
God I love that speech..... Be the change you want to see - (Gandhi) thanks Cavey
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RHP User
13 years ago
Thanks caveyMLK He was one man that should have lived.... But his dream will live for ever... Why I don't like people who cook drugs is the teenagers who did out house over their father who cooked meth had his kids on it, but he never touch the drug him self....When we got the police on to them he got 8years in jail, he was out in 5 years, Hes children as far as I know still do drugs...Its a sad life when the people that are supposed to look after you DON"T...... GT
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blueballs212
13 years ago
I agree that criminalization is the problem...seems the amount of drug abuse before and after criminalization, at the beginning of the last century incidentally, (read Laudanum, Absinth, Couchsyrop with Cocaine (invented around then), Cocaine, Opium Cannabis) hasn't changed ..any more than the obsessive/compulsive/addictive proportion of the population hasn't changed...so...if we decriminalize it and regulate it...we do two things...first we take the crims and backyarders out (so they don't murder each other( (read Melb. gangland murders all about drugs)) and/or blow themselves up any more) and second we tax it...so the community makes an enormous amount of money that can be put to good use......classic example is gambling in Victoria...before decriminalization...run by crooks...bad odds...bad behaviour...no tax yield...after decriminalization...run by regulated business...proper odds...good behaviour...massive tax yield....and no more or less gambling...it's just that now we can measure it (and it's not good)......same with drugs as I see it...taking drugs and/or blowing yourself up is after all personal choice...and in my world no law has ever stopped the ultimate exercise of personal choice...
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madotara69
13 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' Propaganda is still riff today. EG smoking kills over 14000 a year, around 40 people a day people, 10 times more then driving cars in Australia. In the USA half a million a year die from smoking every year.Don't get me wrong smoking is not good for you, don't start, its costs is too much, the financial stress is worse than smoking. It smells and is not a good habit. But it does not kill like the governments around the world claim.So lets get this in perspective. If you have any problem that can be caused by smoking and you proclaim you have smoked then it is entered into the statistics that you have a smoking related illness. No mater how long you smoked, when, or the rate, passive or 50 a day. You hence forth have be made ill by smoking.About 20% of people die every year from Lung cancer. About 20% of people smoke across the western world. But only 20% of people that smoke die of lung cancer. So if you smoke your likely hood of dying from lung cancer does not increase much ( under a 1% increased chance). It is madness. If you smoke you die from it????. So if we stopped smoking would we save millions a year. NO NO NO. Smoking increases your risk but its very very small. (My uncle is a cardiologist and he is one of the few people that let me smoke in his house with his family)So balanced up you have an increased risk of premature death if you smoke. But it is small very small (less then a percentage point), why do you think it took years (30 odd years) for professional scientist to find any correlation.Remember if you declare you smoke and you die of something that has increases your risk by smoking you have been proclaimed as dying from smoking.Really only 140 people a year die from lung cancer caused by smoking.Again please don't smoke.So why the madness, why the constant campaigns against smoking.Well its very simple. Money, the root of all evil.Across the world in most first world counties smoking has fallen from 40% to 20% in the last 50 years no matter if the governments have any active policies against it In Australia they use the fear to justify the tarrifs. Despite the continued world wide drop in smoking the governments in Australia have increase taxes to maintain a constant income. They claim its to reduce smoking, but you will find they are chasing reduced smoking to maintain income not that increasing taxes to save lives and reduce smoking. They know it (may be not the leaders and party, they are ignorant pawns of the bureaucratic system)So in the end drugs and their control is about money. If you want me to get into meth, pot, E's, etc.. Ask personally.We all die and the leading cause of death for all is oxygen them most dangerous cancer causing agent known to man.. Fucken ignorance of so many drives me nuts. I apolagise for my ignorance. Maybe it was stress that killed our grandads, or the nightmares.I used to sit with Grandad, having a smoke and a beer or two, (always in a glass) he shared some of his stories to the war. This has stirred some memories to things he said, i never understood. To the likes of " Death was in the air" and " All my mates left early for their time" I thought it was the smokes and booze, because i found it easier to think of them, and not that he said,"They help to stop me dreams" i love grandad and it hurts to think of what he must have been going through . Then he left with his mates, in the last few minutes we talked about fishing. Mado
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'madotara69'I apolagise for my ignorance. Maybe it was stress that killed our grandads, or the nightmares.I used to sit with Grandad, having a smoke and a beer or two, (always in a glass) he shared some of his stories to the war. This has stirred some memories to things he said, i never understood. To the likes of " Death was in the air" and " All my mates left early for their time" I thought it was the smokes and booze, because i found it easier to think of them, and not that he said,"They help to stop me dreams" i love grandad and it hurts to think of what he must have been going through . Then he left with his mates, in the last few minutes we talked about fishing. Mado Sorry for your loss.. :( war is a curse.My Parents went through the war and seldom talked about it. We are all lucky to be in Australia and isolated from the horror of armed conflict. I know that may people they knew had early deaths decades after the war from the effects of many terrible things they were subjected to.It is known that ongoing long term stress is very bad to peoples health. If smoking, drinking, and whatever drug reduces stress then that is a good thing. It is good that you could share with your granddad. World peace is something I try to actively lobby for. War and confilct kill more then any drug. The thought that the 3 billion tax dollars that our government take from us smokers is being used to wage war is abhorrent.Well that's it for me on that subject.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Thanks for your Topic Hun :) I've come to realize with Maturity and Life experiences that we're all On our own Life journey we can act upon what we know to date..Hindsight is an amazing thing but we don't possess it when really Needed .. Rarely does a drug dealer, Maker have a Priviledged Life usually they've been in unstable relationships growing up when they needed emotional Nurturing ethical training by examplwe it was non existent .. Some rise from the Gutter move up and onwards because this is their Destiny to do so .. Some are trapped in the gutter so make the best of things and don't tend to think how their actions are Hurting others .H'es as much of a victim of Life as those he supplies.. However I do agree bad things happen to good Peiople ,because I'm a very good example of this. I won't go into My Saga but due to the actions of those I Loved supported and no fault of my own. I lost everything twice.. It took 10yrs to come through this Traumatic cycle (the aftermath) But from it I met some Amazing People who were there to help whatever way they could usually Material Dontations so I could set up a place to live again .I realized earlier that this was "My Life Journey " Change was thrust upon me as it was time . Would have I preferred it to be less severe Yes shorter Yes.. I'm very belssed for that Experience it allowed me to Grow, overcome issues and become the Woman I am Today.Using My Spiritual Abilities insight knowledge to ease others Pain on all levels and generally help others. Adversty is where you learn and grow be all you can be. it Allows us to be grateful for what we have and our blessings it sets our Priorities right . Good times are the icing and rewards.. Good things do happen to Bad People but the Grass isn't always greener.In some way or form they've their own issues to deal with and Karma will be there to make it happen..They do reap what they sow. 10fold when Karma bites .Sometimes in extreme cases like Hitler it's the times and they get their chance from circumstance, aided by others wanting a better Life . People wanted to think that they could deliver , They weren't stopped when it was Possible to do so... .Many good things came from wars to Medicine Technology Science made breakthroughs in leaps and bounds.. Unfortunately it was on the backs of the Victims .. Cheers Lu :) Cheers Lu :)
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