M63
Please everyone, show some consideration.
April 26 2012
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RHP User
14 years ago
Another can of worms will be opened! This thread will go 404 like the other...I hope! The sooner the better! xFunlovingx
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RHP User
14 years ago
i was tempted myself to revisit the topic.....its worthy of further discussion....so long as it doesnt become a passionate argument all over again ......... good luck tho..
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RHP User
14 years ago
I deliberately held off on the other one... so I could read a heep at the same time..and then throw in my venom.. but, it got shot the night I decided to "do it" my idea on smoking is simple..and argumentive.. People smoke because they WANT to. People DON'T give up, because they Don't WANT to.. I have watched and studied a lot of people, and those who have succesfully given up, have decided they DID NOT want to smoke anymore, and gave up.. no gimmicks, not pills, not potions.. just a simple decision to give up. I am watching my Father die of Emphysema - the day he realised he had it, he gave up.. cold turkey after 63 years of smoking .. anyone who is prepared to put their "LOVED" ones through the pain of watching them die such a drawn out, debilitating and all consuming disease, plain and simple, DO NOT love their families. FunLoving - I am with you.. I hope this goes 404 tonight.. BUT, I cant keep my mouth shut about SOME things.. cavey
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RHP User
14 years ago
I'm sorry jensman while the topic is great, the debate will always be the same and end up with resembling a schoolyard fight with bullies galore. Pusscat (shaking head in disbelief) xxx
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'cavey50' I deliberately held off on the other one... so I could read a heep at the same time..and then throw in my venom.. but, it got shot the night I decided to "do it" my idea on smoking is simple..and argumentive.. People smoke because they WANT to. People DON'T give up, because they Don't WANT to.. I have watched and studied a lot of people, and those who have succesfully given up, have decided they DID NOT want to smoke anymore, and gave up.. no gimmicks, not pills, not potions.. just a simple decision to give up. I am watching my Father die of Emphysema - the day he realised he had it, he gave up.. cold turkey after 63 years of smoking .. anyone who is prepared to put their "LOVED" ones through the pain of watching them die such a drawn out, debilitating and all consuming disease, plain and simple, DO NOT love their families. FunLoving - I am with you.. I hope this goes 404 tonight.. BUT, I cant keep my mouth shut about SOME things.. cavey My dad died of cancer....I believe that he loved his family till his last breath! My step dad took his own life before not being able to even lift a feather from a delibitating disease tha attacked his muscles and nervous system....he never smoked! I believe that he loved us with all his heart as well and only had my mother in mind when he died! Smoking is more addictive than heroin.... Please don't tell me that my father and my step dad never loved us....cause I will NEVER ever believe you or anyone else that thinks that way! That is just heartless and down right cruel...I hope that you don't run up to kids who watch their parents die of a smoking related disease and say "Oh don't worry, he/she never loved you anyway cause he/she smoked"! I'm disgusted! xFunlovingx (fuck your hugs)
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RHP User
14 years ago
I chose not to inhale smoke into my lungs anymore nearly 10 years ago. While I respect a persons right to smoke if they so choose, I wish they would all respect my choice also and not smoke near me.(I'll make you a deal. You don't smoke and I wont fart)
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RHP User
14 years ago
we should have stuck with religion and politics. Everything is about our own challenges and our acceptances or not of them. Out building of walls to protect ourselves. No Funloving, I wont go up to anyone and say that, or anything else. This is a forum of adults, and I think we can voice our views. You can be as disgusted as you wish - as no doubt, many others may/will be. But, Funloving, this is not going to change my understanding of the term Love, or any other human emotion. I never claim to be right, I just answer put my point of view forward.. to have it accepted as just that... "My point of view" or to stand condemned for stating so.. Funloving, IF ONE single person reads my point of view..and suddenly questions their own reason or excuses for smoking.. and THEN decides to QUIT..and is successful, then your disgust becomes worthless. However, irrespective of how much you dislike my point of view, I will continue to understand yours. cavey
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RHP User
14 years ago
My only post on the out of control 'smoking thread' was purely about addiction! like yourself jensman,, i was hoping the last thread would maybe delve into addictions rather than jamming 'unhelpful' statistics down the smokers throats and blaming them for the money it costs public tax payers to keep them alive (these mainly came from ex-smokers too which i found hilarious,, a bit hypocritical i think... i'm sure they weren't thinking of that while smoking....anyhow)....... i'm not saying the smokers fiery comments were anymore 'helpful' either..... both were fighting a losing battle in a war that shouldn't have been fought!an addiction is an addiction whether it be food, gambling, TV, shopping, internet, or sex... the list goes on. We 'generally' form addictions as a coping mechanism for dealing with certain aspects of our life.... and we shouldn't judge anyone either if they struggle with these addictions...... but rather support them!!!! i hope people can put they pride and anger away for a minute with this post and share some uplifting positive stories instead,, maybe of people that have beat addiction or who are dealing with it...... it doesn't have to be about smoking either..... as jensman suggested
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'coodi_yowie' My only post on the out of control 'smoking thread' was purely about addiction! like yourself jensman,, i was hoping the last thread would maybe delve into addictions rather than jamming 'unhelpful' statistics down the smokers throats and blaming them for the money it costs public tax payers to keep them alive (these mainly came from ex-smokers too which i found hilarious,, a bit hypocritical i think... i'm sure they weren't thinking of that while smoking....anyhow)....... i'm not saying the smokers fiery comments were anymore 'helpful' either..... both were fighting a losing battle in a war that shouldn't have been fought!an addiction is an addiction whether it be food, gambling, TV, shopping, internet, or sex... the list goes on. We 'generally' form addictions as a coping mechanism for dealing with certain aspects of our life.... and we shouldn't judge anyone either if they struggle with these addictions...... but rather support them!!!! i hope people can put they pride and anger away for a minute with this post and share some uplifting positive stories instead,, maybe of people that have beat addiction or who are dealing with it...... it doesn't have to be about smoking either..... as jensman suggested I know people will say just quit then i would really like to i have tried & tried you think i should have been able to watching my dad die from cancer & the long slow build up him coughing all night the blood on the hankies the depression he went through how sad he was trying to appoligise to us all before he passed & when the tumers were pushing & he was fighting the whole time to stay with it till my brother came so they could bury the hatchet they hadnt talked for over 10 years but he just kept holding on he kept saying theres one more thing to do & after they talked he lasted a couple of hours & after all that i still smoke ill keep trying & always will i just havent been successful yet i understand alot of people hate smoking i do to but dont crusify the person yes i smoke & yes i chose to start i started when i was 12 i havent said all this for a sob story either or for people to be sorry its part of life i will get there & i do respect the fact allot of people will judge me & not want anything to do with me because of it the end of the day your missing out you never knew me because you judged me on one thing
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RHP User
14 years ago
i hit the wrong button it wasnt ment to attatch to the other post
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tomrach79
14 years ago
Hi, my names Tom...and I'm a addicted to smoking. (chorus - hi Tom). I've battled with smoking for over 15 years. I quit for 7 years but I fell back on them as a coping mechanism for circumstances I won't go into. I enjoyed and still enjoy smoking. The act of it anyway. I like sitting n the back deck with a coffee every morning while I read the paper. And I like having a beer at CI in the smoking area talking to people I don't know and probably wouldn't unless they were smoking. But I don't like how it makes my chest feel. And how I stink. And how it costs me a fortune each week. And how I can't breath properly when I walk up a hill or run for more than five minutes. Or how I snore more. Or the look my pregnant rach gives me when she rubs her tummy. It is a constant battle, a little demon that is always there. I'll agree with cavey briefly. I need to want to give up and I succeed. I want to give up before rach pops and I will, because I want to. Bt everyone is different, have different demons and coping mechanisms. If I could just smoke when I drank I would, but I can't! Some can... We are all different. Simple. Tom.
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RHP User
14 years ago
My father smoked and he died of lung cancer.I don't smoke,and when I was young I was only ever a social smoker.I hate the smell of cigarete smoke in my hair and in my clothes,but if you want to smoke it 's your choice...simple.Many people actually enjoy smoking,I get that,does it help them cope with life,perhaps ....only each person who smokes can really say why they smoke. I have noticed recently that more characters in films are smoking,particularly young women.... adding to the cool image that cigarette companies hope to promote .I have no idea of the statistics, but I think young girls are the fastest growing group of smokers. Some people can drink and some people can do drugs, and not become addicted,many people can't. Social drug taking,is on the increase,many lives are being destroyed by drugs.There is alot of crime surrounding drugs. Many people are in jail because of drugs.As a society we have to look at the benefits of decrimalizing drug taking, because what we are doing now just is not working. The crime should be the selling not the taking. This is just my opinion and I support your right to disagree with me,I wont take offence. x Hugs H
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RHP User
14 years ago
Ok, I'm neither for or against. Myself, I smoked for a good 15 years, before I just decided one day I'd had enough and quit. Cold turkey, gone, done n dusted.. It's not as easy as everyone thinks, but it's not as hard either if you really want to. My mother, unfortunately, wasn't lucky enough to quit before she was diagnosed with emphysema. She eventually quit, but the damage was already done. Now that's all well again, until about just under a year ago, she got a cold, and never really got over it. Next think I know, I receive a phone call at 11 at night, while I'm at work to tell me to go to the ER in the morning after work, as she was rushed there via Ambulance. Apparently the cold had taken it's toll on her lungs so bad, that even just taking a simple normal breath that we all take for granted, was impossible.So, after work, I rushed up to the ER, spent a good many hours, watching the fear in her eyes as she gasped for every breath. I still to this day can't understand the sheer terror she was going through, struggling for breath, and no one could help her at all. They forced oxygen into her lungs, per oxygen, but still, she got worse. Eventually they decided as she was declining even more with the stress she was putting on herself trying to breath, to put her in an induced coma.This worked, but the drugs they give her to induce the coma, ended up giving her hallucinations. Everyone that came to visit her, she thought was just another shade of the Devil, trying to drag her into her.. All she would say to my sister, myself, all her family was... '' Just let me die''We all took turns and sat vigil by her bedside till eventually she came around, and after 3 weeks strong enough to check herself out of hospital. Scariest 3 weeks of my life to be honest.Guess all I'm trying to show here, is whether you smoke or not, I know for sure, if I could've put what my mother went through onto you tube, the terror in her eyes, just trying to breath, the hallucinations afterwards coming out of a coma... I think everyone who does smoke these days would think twice. If not for you, but you're loved ones. It's traumatic enough for yourself to go through, but watching a loved one go through it, leaves you with memories you never forget.As I said at the start, if you smoke, good for you. I'm not going to dislike you, or like you any more or less, that is just an experience I went through, which I thought related to the topic.
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RHP User
14 years ago
This is meant to be an exercise in understanding. Put hostility aside and and put forward your veiws without personal attacks. You want to show people why you feel the way you do, not provoke a confrontation.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'cavey50' I am watching my Father die of Emphysema - the day he realised he had it, he gave up.. cold turkey after 63 years of smoking .. anyone who is prepared to put their "LOVED" ones through the pain of watching them die such a drawn out, debilitating and all consuming disease, plain and simple, DO NOT love their families. I'm sorry your father took 63 years to love you........Bite me
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'jensman1903'This is meant to be an exercise in understanding. Put hostility aside and and put forward your veiws without personal attacks. You want to show people why you feel the way you do, not provoke a confrontation. I think that you enjoy bringing out the worse emotions in people. You must be bored out of your fucking brain to open this topic again! I hope you are sitting back and eating your popcorn and swilling on your pig fat as you are enjoying watching people's emotions come out... Come on RHP Admin...404 this shit....and don't allow the topic to come up again! xFunlovingx
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RHP User
14 years ago
People should be able to and will say as they please and that is how it should be. its a public Forum
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RHP User
14 years ago
Pfffft Hugs roxxy
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'wowwow11' People should be able to and will say as they please and that is how it should be. its a public Forum and people should be able to read them without taking 'offense'...............this is an 'adult' site.....
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RHP User
14 years ago
Personally I don't care if strangers smoke, I'm not offended by other peoples smoke unless they are smoking in an area I've chosen because smoking is not allowed there. The arguement I hear most against smoking is it's cost to the tax payer through the medicare scheme paying for peoples heart and lung disease treatments, circulatory problems, strokes, cancer and death yet the same people complaining about footing these costs through taxes are screaming that cyclists should pay rego. The money cyclists DON'T cost the medicare system would pay for weight based rego a thousand times as well as the cycling infrastructure and have change left over.. I think that there are so many wowsers in this world someone is always going to be telling someone they shouldn't, can't or must based on personal opinion... As for any moralistic arguement for or against.. Let's first establish which moral code we are going to argue over because if we are going to use the basis of morality, the "10 Commandments" then I'm guessing not many here live outside a glass house. Live and let live, die or suicide because unless someone is suffering mental illness and is unable to make logical and educated decisions then I believe they should have freedom to choose... But that's just my opinion.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'wowwow11' People should be able to and will say as they please and that is how it should be. its a public Forum
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'Dirtyroughsex' Personally I don't care if strangers smoke, I'm not offended by other peoples smoke unless they are smoking in an area I've chosen because smoking is not allowed there. The arguement I hear most against smoking is it's cost to the tax payer through the medicare scheme paying for peoples heart and lung disease treatments, circulatory problems, strokes, cancer and death yet the same people complaining about footing these costs through taxes are screaming that cyclists should pay rego. The money cyclists DON'T cost the medicare system would pay for weight based rego a thousand times as well as the cycling infrastructure and have change left over.. I think that there are so many wowsers in this world someone is always going to be telling someone they shouldn't, can't or must based on personal opinion... As for any moralistic arguement for or against.. Let's first establish which moral code we are going to argue over because if we are going to use the basis of morality, the "10 Commandments" then I'm guessing not many here live outside a glass house. Live and let live, die or suicide because unless someone is suffering mental illness and is unable to make logical and educated decisions then I believe they should have freedom to choose... But that's just my opinion. Well said! xFunlovingx
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RHP User
14 years ago
Dirty Rough isnt that what i just said we can all say and do as we please ?? or freedom as you call it
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RHP User
14 years ago
I the female half is not actually a smoker myself and would never wish to take it up, however the male half is a smoker. I don't judge him, its something he enjoys and I would never make him give up because of me, yes... there are so many health risks involved.. but seriously, in this day and age what isn't a 'healthrisk'?? When we are together I cant even tell the difference that he is a smoker, he cleans his teeth night and morning and whenever he feels the need. It is not like kissing an ashtray as some people refer to, also he very curtious around me.The fact that there is alot of people saying "strictly no smokers" is quite offensive and those are the types who could be missing out on the most kindest, genuine people that could be met!!
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RHP User
14 years ago
Not much time kids need collectingI was a smoker, my kids coming home form school every day crying saying dad dont want you to die (school has done this to them) i started at 11.5yrs stopped for a bet for a year money i got bought cigs withany how, i now dont smoke at home or with no smokers but if i am with smokers i will have a cig with them i still buy them tooit is now a conversation thing or social - luckily i can control it and go few days without it bothering me, if go out on a date i dont take them, i wont smoke round no smokers or a no smokers houseNor round my kidsJust me - however Richard branson made a great vid on it and explains it all quite well i thoughtalso you get the electronic ones now that is just vapour sold all over europe, chemists super markets and smoke them every whereyou still get the kink in your throught, you still blow out what looks to be smoke but they say harmless vapour and is pure nicotene no tar etc so you still get every thing from it but as they say more of a healthy smoke nor harmless to othersif you want to know more post or message me, but have to go for my girlsgreat day and weekend all
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RHP User
14 years ago
I'm sorry if anything I've written has offended you. Cavey, I understand where you are coming from and why you have such a strong stand against smoking but you can't really believe that choosing to smoke equates to having no love for your family. Engaging in hazardous activities does not mean you don't feel love. How many times have you heard terms like "temporary Australians" applied to motorcyclists because of it's hazardous nature. How many of your biker mates have you said goodbye to after they died on the road. Sky divers, rock climbers, aerobatic pilots. Families have other things to fear besides smoking but the people who love these activities do so anyway and they still love those close to them. It's selfish but it's part of our hedonistic nature to indulge in things that give us pleasure. Please don't think that these comments mean I'm aligning myself against you. In the other thread, I had a few observations that I posted disagreeing with smokers' comments. I'm still fence sitting.
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RHP User
14 years ago
......somone get me an Ambo......
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RHP User
14 years ago
I must have missed the first posting so I'll add my 2 cents here: I used to smoke between 14-17yo then I quit (fairly easily, I was never a heavy, heavy smoker). Then I went through a phase in my late teens/early twenties of smoking half a dozen times a year when I was drunk or just felt like a cigarette. Now, I smoke cigars very occasionally (maybe 3 or 4 times a year) because I like the taste and the smell and they work wonderfully with red wine and port and dark chocolate (all my non-sexual vices!). I don't like smoking personally. I have a few friends who are smokers and I would never discount them as friends simply because of that fact, but I wouldn't rush into a new friendship with a heavy smoker either. I personally find smoking to be a dirty, smelly, self-harming (and 3rd party harming), grossly unattractive habit. I would never allow smoking in my car or home and would be extremely reluctant to share a car with someone else who was smoking. Would I ever critcise someone personally for smoking? Only if they were a very good friend of mine and I was encouraging them to quit. I also agree that the purpose of these forums is to encourage conversation - whether it's spirited, conflicting, dull and boring, any type of conversation/communication is good. But I also think most adults should be able to carry conversation of any type without being rude, personalised or offensive about it (Funloving...). Everyone has their own opinion and whilst I'm all for challenging other opinions, people are still entitled to express theirs freely without persecution.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'inspirit' ......somone get me an Ambo...... Smoking hot men....Johnny Depp,Daniel Craig,Charlie Humman (hummuna hummuna).There are pics all over the internet of seiosuly sexy men puffing away *fans self*. I admit it, I have a smoking fetish. *scuffs ground with head down*The way a certain type of man looks with a cigarette between in his fingers, then the inhale... oh god.. the exhale... the casual flick of ash. Cigars I like as well, but I prefer cigars to be between the bright red lips of a woman. Or a leather daddy. *dribble* Oh, and the taste of rum and a rolled cigarette on the kiss of a bearded man. *fans self*I appreciate the health risks associated with smoking, and I also appreciate the addictive nature of the drug (it *is* more addictive than heroin)... saying that I also appreciate the look of it and the sensuality surrounding the act. Sure, it's not everyone's bag. And everyone has stories of someone in their life who has died painfully from a smoking related illness. I wonder if those same people are against euthenasia? If I'm dying painfully of a smoke related illness when older I will quite happily take matters into my own hands after consultation with my family. A persons choice to smoke earlier in life should also then translate into a persons choice to choose further down the line. That's a whole 'nother discussion topic though.Back to smoking hot men. Sons of Anarchy. Charlie Humman. Google him smoking and tell me that is not the hottest thing in the whole world! :D
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RHP User
14 years ago
I commend you Jensman but as just mentioned, too many are too emotional on the subject, that it again it will probably deteriorate into name calling, hair pulling and punches thrown - just like at school! I also thought i was surrounded by adults and as a smoker have my own STRONG opinion and also am sick to death of others preachings upon me... but its like arguing with a drunk right? not possible to get your own personal view across.... Starts in fun ends in tears... usually someone else's....
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RHP User
14 years ago
When reading the OP for the 'having fun with smokers' thread, it wasn't until the second half of the remarks that the 'fun' part was revealed. A few suggestions for joke warnings on cigarette packets might have been entertaining. Even smokers, who would have heard them all, might have contributed without resentment but with the first words, "I hate..." the tone was already set and it wasn't pretty. Still, some people posted some thoughtful opinions and if you excluded all the hateful remarks (which I admit was the majority of them) then there was some interesting reading there. I could see potential there for serious discussion on the topic. As a fence sitter, I'm open to be swayed either way on the subject. I am personally against smoking but defend freedom of choice so it is something of a conundrum for me. Remember the golden rule, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Well, I wouldn't want people telling me what they want me to do and yet, at the same time, I do appreciate people looking out for my welfare. So where does that leave us. One thing to consider, while smoking is hazardous to your health, it is not a loaded gun at your head. Bruce Lee didn't smoke and he didn't drink and he died aged thirty two. George Burns openly smoke and drank and celebrated his hundredth birthday before he died.
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RHP User
14 years ago
An Alcoholic, a Chain Smoker and a Homosexual go to the doctor. The doctor says: "If any of you indulge one more time you'll die."As they walk home they pass a bar. The Alcoholic has a shot of whiskey, falls off his stool stone cold dead. His friends are shocked.As they walk along they come upon a cigarette butt lying on the ground still burning. The Homosexual looks at the Chain Smoker and says: "If you bend over to pick that up, we're both dead!"
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RHP User
14 years ago
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RHP User
14 years ago
Two old ladies were outside their nursing home, having a smoke when it started to rain. One of the ladies pulled out a condom, cut off the end, put it over her cigarette and continued smoking. Lady 1: "What's that?" Lady 2: "A condom. This way my cigarette doesn't get wet." Lady 1: "Where did you get it?" Lady 2: "You can get them at any drugstore." The next day ... Lady 1 hobbles herself into the local drugstore and announces to the pharmacist that she wants a box of condoms. The guy looks at her kind of strangely (she is, after all, over 80 years of age), but politely asks what brand she prefers. Lady 1: "It doesn't matter as long as it fits a Camel."
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'mikeandshel and people should be able to read them without taking 'offense'...............this is an 'adult' site..... And you have never taken offense on these forums over something that you hold dear? Something that you may be passionate about? . DGT and Meeka...you girls crack me up.
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'Handmaiden' DGT and Meeka...you girls crack me up. Me too
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'Handmaiden' Quoting 'mikeandshel and people should be able to read them without taking 'offense'...............this is an 'adult' site..... And you have never taken offense on these forums over something that you hold dear? Something that you may be passionate about? . DGT and Meeka...you girls crack me up. you have no idea do you...fionabee.....this place doesnt 'upset' me...it makes me laugh...lol..
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RHP User
14 years ago
A chicken and an egg are laying in bed together. The chicken is leaning back against the head board smoking a cigarette, with a satisfied smile on its face. The egg, looking a bit pissed off, grabs the sheets rolls over and says, "Well I guess we finally answered THAT question!"
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RHP User
14 years ago
Quoting 'Ramakin' A chicken and an egg are laying in bed together. The chicken is leaning back against the head board smoking a cigarette, with a satisfied smile on its face. The egg, looking a bit pissed off, grabs the sheets rolls over and says, "Well I guess we finally answered THAT question!" <3 it.
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RHP User
14 years ago
This little wench smoked like a chimunny. Nom nom nom. Despite many failed attempts and a few near-homicides, after 20 years she FINALLLLY managed to quit. For the know-it-alls: I didn't want to. I still miss it. After a year I still get cravings and consider smoking an aphrodisiac :P
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RHP User
14 years ago
Smoking is an addiction and it afects people in meny ways,my idea is different if you want to smoke then smoke but why cant the goverment put a cap on the amount of smokes made by companies that could be reduced over a number of years after all if its not out there to buy ... and for the die hards well growing your own for personal use only could still be legal
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