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Naturism or nudism - I don't get it.
July 15 2010
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RHP User
15 years ago
I do understand nudism. I like swimming naked it is a great feeling. Having said that... However I do not understand why anyone would need "training" to be a nudist! Inviting children along to a "training session" and taking photographs of this sort of thing is creepy. I would be contacting the police just to let them know your concerns. You could be saving quite a few children from a lifetime of misery.
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RHP User
15 years ago
As a father I couldn’t think of anything much worse than paedophilia. Me I probably would have broken this prick neck but going to the police just to give them the heads up sounds like a good idea but I get the impression you guys both know that already. As for nudist hey each to their own I suppose but I have no desire to hang out with a bunch of people naked. Not my style don’t get me wrong I love a woman’s body but only those that looks after themselves and can appreciate all the effort that goes into that also. I take good care of myself but certainly no Greek God but not into being naked. You’re bound to have a pile of people crap on about how great it is and how liberating it is and blah blah blah & they can’t wait to rip into anyone who is prepared to say they don’t want to look at flabby arsed naked people but again that is their opinion each to their own.
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RHP User
15 years ago
...as a parent also of three gorgeous children, i hope you have already passed your concerns on to wherever need be to get this person thoroughly checked out. msc
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RHP User
15 years ago
Andy. I would not go near this one. Photos of nude kids? Oh dear me no. I'm sorry NO. Despite the innocence of the whole let's live our life naked and free thing... 18 plus... yep.. go for it. Anyone younger.. see if you can get public indemnity insurance for it. There's your answer. Hugs Stalky
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RHP User
15 years ago
Living near A Bay in Noosa we get quite alot of nudists.....I surf A Bay a fair bit and have no problems with the nudists who go over there...........but......lately there have been some very seedy people hanging around Sunshine.....a couple of months ago I was on the beach with a mate and his daughter who is about 5 when we scoped this guy videoing her........I chased him up the stairs and watched as he got into a barina and fled away........needless to say the cops got a call about it...so I guess I am saying be very careful here............if your instinct is telling you something take notice of it...............Best of Luck.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Nudism certainly isn't too vanilla for us; I'd say that Ebs and I happily advocate for the essential freedom of being able to shed clothes in the great outdoors, with other 'likeminded people.' Have done so and would happily do it again. But I thoroughly agree with Shayza - why the need for 'training'? And even worse, why the hell the need for PHOTOS, especially when there are underage and very impressionable little people around? It's unnecessary, and the need for 'newsletters' etc baffles me. The guy sounds like a creep, who is surely not taking 'nudism' in its usual spirit. Take him down! Craig/Doc Funbrissie
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RHP User
15 years ago
Thanks for all the feedback guys. I am thinking innocent until proven guilty, I'm also thinking that I'm not going to break a guys neck. He obviously is very comfortable in the innocence of what it is he presented to us. Doesn't mean it's right, but I'm guessing in his mind this is all legit and above board. So to be sure I wont post anymore until it's all been checked out/investigated. We have followed this up and when it's all sorted I'll let you know the outcome. Andy
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RHP User
15 years ago
As someone who is a parent and grandparent I applaud your caution. I also believe that trusting one's instinct is sound. Thank you both for being people who act on their concerns. warm regards WTG
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RHP User
15 years ago
...hmmm there's a possibility that this is innocent and above board but from what you've said seems like a slim possibility. You have a responsibility to your conscience to notify the authorities and let them sort it out. I do think we're all a little too pent up over nudity but when it comes to kiddies, well they need to be protected from the sickos of the world. Yep innocent until proven guilty but don't you be the ones to judge, hand on the responsibility appropriately.
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RHP User
15 years ago
As parents, I'm sure you have learnt to trust your gut instinct. It's hard for me to comment cause I haven't met the guy himself. I've seen the website pics and felt like they were taken a long time ago when things were simpler. I think the stuff on the website is weird and not my thing, but I didn't feel like there was anything sinister about it. However your gut is telling you that there IS something sinister about this guy, and that is the concern for me. So I am glad you have followed this up and am interested to hear the outcome. Laura xx
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RHP User
15 years ago
I'd suggest caution, but a few people made comment about 'training' as if that was something creepy, when it just meant 'exercise' - though i agree that exercising nude doesn't sound practical. It just sounds painful to any girl with breasts bouncing about, or any bloke with his cods slapping about. Are there other people who organize this community thing to talk too?
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RHP User
15 years ago
Guys POLICE and your local DEPARTMENT FOR CHILD PROTECTION well thats what it's called here in WA. This absolutely sounds dodgy and it illegal to be taking nude pictures of minors with or without parents permission. pips
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'SalAndy' Thanks for all the feedback guys. I am thinking innocent until proven guilty, I'm also thinking that I'm not going to break a guys neck. He obviously is very comfortable in the innocence of what it is he presented to us. Doesn't mean it's right, but I'm guessing in his mind this is all legit and above board. So to be sure I wont post anymore until it's all been checked out/investigated. We have followed this up and when it's all sorted I'll let you know the outcome. Andy Thanks for coming to us for some support in this matter. I'd personally be looking to pass this onto the authorities for one of two reasons. While insanity is a cause for not guilty ignorance certainly isnt. This man/people might not think its illegal or wrong but it certainly doesnt take away from the fact that sexual harrasement is a very open description based on an individuals feelings. these young kids involved in this may feel coerced, afraid and unsure where to turn for help. If the police go over this naturalist community and it turns up trumps you can rest assured that things are safe for them. The second reason being is the photography side of it. Child pornography is very serious and abhorrent on every level. If there are photos being taken of children in that community then that absolutely cant be accepted.You can report these matters anonymously through the crimestoppers service on 1800 333 000.
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RHP User
15 years ago
I think there is a little misunderstanding. This bit from Shaz."However I do not understand why anyone would need "training" to be a nudist! "They are NOT training to be nudists, I not sure what I wrote to make you think that, but this is just group training in the nude. Nothing about getting fit to be nudists. Right that's cleared up. And yes we have contacted the authorities. Look I have nothing against nudism, it's just not something I practice or even do for real. A guess a house full of kids and sister in laws has that effect on me. Plus if you have the present unwrapped all the time, it will spoil the impact of the surprise. Andy Poos
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RHP User
15 years ago
lolz Sal and Andy. You guys rock! Come to the beach with me and we'll go skinny dipping. From my perspective... splashing around out there in the water naked.... looking back at the beach I can assure you that a regular training routine is definitely warranted! Gawd.. all that bending over, stretching and errrr...flexing. I mean Jesus.. what Is ti about nudist beaches that attracts so many Mirounga leonina? :p Hugs Stalky
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RHP User
15 years ago
It is illegal to show nude pics of children under the age of 16, parents permission or not! (same in Europe actually) If this guy is publishing pics of children who are naked then he is breaking the law
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RHP User
15 years ago
Just going to put a question out there to the nudist advocates:Would you enter your children into these nudist fitness retreats??
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RHP User
15 years ago
He hasn't shown us anything he has published, I actually have no idea what he might or might not have taken photos of. But you bring up a excellent point. For the record he showed us 'fitness' printouts that clearly showed a few pics of kids nude. And 'closetpornstars', No I would never allow my child to be photographed in this way or attend these events. This is what I don't get. I can understand adults making adult choices and walking around in the nude. I can understand families walking around in the nude at home (up until a certain age) BUT what I don't get is parents who take their kids to nudist retreats, events etc. I think nudism for kids should be like a reverse berka. You have to wear clothes up to a certain age then when you get to 18 you decide on if you go nudey or not. That's what I think. I might have my fashion mixed up. excuse my ignorance on this and nudism.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Quoting 'ClosetPornstars'Just going to put a question out there to the nudist advocates:Would you enter your children into these nudist fitness retreats?? I don't mind a bit of nude sunbaking. I frequently do so in summer. As for my kids.. well they've all grown up but let me say that they apparently are prudes. They started covering up around the 8 year old stage and have stayed covered up ever since. Of course, all a question of personal choice... that is, their choice. I've never taken them to a beach to sunbake nude and for their own sakes, I've not been one to parade nude about the house in front of them or their friends either. I think being exposed nude should always come down to a question of personal choice. s for me.. well... Slip slop slap.... hehe... Damn. Put some blockout on that thing. Stalky
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RHP User
15 years ago
I'd like to preempt this with a couple of initial thoughts;The first one is; what a interesting and rational discussion ! This is day one on the site for me , and the first forum I looked at - subsequently my first comment. I not sure what i expected, but I'm impressed. I hope they're not all something i feel the need to contribute too, I hate typing at the best of times.The second is; "If it quacks like a duck.... " I have a problem with forming and voicing a personal opinion (particularly a critical one) of someone without having met, and got the sort of insight that SalAndy obviously had. However theirs is an intelligent, balanced assessment - a credible witness and no authority could reasonably dismiss or question the legitimacy of your concerns. I'm sure if I had observed him personally i'd find it hard to look past his webbed feet and waddling arse.! To put things in perspective; I like being naked , I have no problems with nudity or anybody seeing me naked. I dont make a practice of walking around the house naked, but, I don't think twice if i do. I want my son to be comfortable within his own skin,something i wasn't as a kid .At the end of the day your kinda stuck with it so be proud of it or change it. Its very liberating to tear of the shackles of taboo that shroud most of us about hiding our genitals. Whilst religion is at the root of society's (not always unjustified) phobias or paranoia about the whole concept,which only seem to foster problems with body image, insecurity etc amongst kids, It makes you realize what a thinker god was having put our "privates" in the middle of our bodies at the top of our legs. Imagine if he had put guys dicks in the center of our chests? NO ONE looks good with their pants that high! I particular love being naked outdoors (I keep loosing my pen when i try it at the office ;) , in the sun on the beach, but I've never done it in the presence of kids - And I wouldn't. As much as i know that a good part of that pleasure is bought about by the liberation of tearing off the shackles , a good part of it is actirasty (a condition that occurs from lying in the sun - makes you horny). Adult, not kid stuff.I dont want to get bogged down here because i think its a pretty mute point and your comment wasn't about the virtues of a naturalist lifestyle , It was about the creepy dude and what action you should take. However i will pass on some information i found about the legalities of the whole thing. This was taken from an American web site, which is full of very suspect photos - In have edited parts as it is subject to copyright; The Naturist documentaries and books that we sell are legal in every city, every state and every county inside the United States. They are protected by the First Amendment and are not subject to local obscenity laws or ordinances. 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RHP User
15 years ago
Hey everyone, okay so we were going to wait for some sort of outcome, but we have stirred up the place a little and I don't want you all thinking I'm going to take it easy on this guy. We HAVE reported him to crimestoppers just to investigate how serious this is I also spoke to the child protection agency.I'm glad that 99 has also had his first post (welcome to the forums) :) We really did want a understanding of nudism, I legit don't see the point of being naked infront of anyone over 21 adult unless I've A) slept with them b) going to sleep with them. Which is why I thought that the whole nudey thing was just a great big tease! Perhaps the next BBQ day that Salina and I arrange we should have it at a nudist place for RHP members. But please guys, no bacon it's spatters too much. Sal and I are happy to try out nudism etc. But as with Swinging we prefer to spend our time with grown ups. I promise all the people who have had their say in the forum we will let you know the outcome.
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RHP User
15 years ago
Guys well done adults can make their own choices. Unfortunatly CHILDREN don't get that choice. There's a saying it takes a community to raise a child. cheers pips
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RHP User
15 years ago
There are some valid points in here re children and photography.Go with your instincts regarding whether or not you wish to associate with him or inform the authorities.Sadly I think the users of a sex site think all nudity is sexual. Perhaps some of you need to join a nudist venue for a couple of hours and realise not everyone thinks of sex non stop and that having people of all ages shapes and sizes nude around the place is a very liberating experience. A nudist club with a wide range of ages does not make paedophile heaven nor even unfortunately for most swingers a swinging site. There is a vast difference between these two associations.I doubt there are any more paedophiles or"sickos" in a nudist club than there are in the church, the schools or the police force or any where else in the community.Gourmet Lady
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RHP User
15 years ago
It's probably people who would like to get funky but cannot talk about it, so they display their bodies like a dance without music. Each to their own.
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