Married, swinging.......

April 15 2010

Okay, so I am not able to contain myself any longer. There have been many threads since I have been a member on RHP about married men and women. In particular those that cheat on their partners. That is something that they have to live with and the details of why they do it or have done it are many and varied. That is not what I wish to discuss though. Last week on Insight on SBS there was an interesting episode on Infidelity that I would encourage those that are interested to view on the web as the episode is still up. One point that I wish to make on the matter of infidelity within a marriage, (yes for the ones that have that bit of paper registered with the proper authorities), is that can those that are involved in infidelity without consent be judged any harsher than those that are playing with their partners consent. This point is made with the view of gettting discussion on what could be considered a sticky point. It is a very moralistic christian viewpoint and one which intrigues me from some of the comments that have been made on the topic. The wedding vows in front of celebrant generally include the followig phrase "and, forsaking all others, be faithful to her/him as long as you both shall live" That being the case, how can one vary that vow and in particular if those vows have been made under God. Even if they haven't been made in a religious institution, there is no where that allows for a variance to that contract that has been made. I don't want this discussion to be a slanging match against anyone and do not point my finger at anyone as people in glass houses should not throw stones. However, an open and vibrant critique I am sure will ensue. Lets

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  • RHP

    RHP User

    16 years ago

    Was very interesting,  but i guess it depends on how much store you put in the details of that piece of paper/vows Whats more important (imo) is the way in which the Partners interact with each other, and whether you both believe in God or not, personally i keep an open mind, Kj used to when we got married, but doesn't so much anymore, wonder if thats my influence over the years. In short just be true to each others wants and needs and disregard the rest because people can change a lot over the years, in our case it was nearly 25years ago, that we signed that piece of paper, me with HE painted on the sole of one shoe and LP on the other, no wondering everyone at the church was giggling.....bloody groomsman!!!Cheers Nev...Life is a journey of many twists and turns

  • RHP

    RHP User

    16 years ago

    You may start something big here Crazy ! It has been said some many times that this is a sex site ? People looking to explore THEIR needs, wants , desires etc.. We encourage open sharing of ideas, then the moment someone expresses a view different to anothers they get judged by us randoms.. Are we trying to contain our adult thoughts? I know your not saying this your starting a discussion..But when it comes to sharing sexual experinces ,whether it be couples, singles, whatever , it is like back burning if the wind picks up you can lose control of the fire.. Insight is a show that creates discussion but offers no solutions..I would hate to see people here close up and not share their experinces or thoughts for fear of judgement.. One night till Melb drinks night !!

  • RHP

    RHP User

    16 years ago

    Hey Lets... having been married before a celebrant 25 years ago, I can tell you that people are at liberty to write their own wedding vows... and the words "foresaking all others be faithful to him/her" are not mandatory inclusions. People are very quick around here to push their own moral code on other people regardless of any understanding or acceptance of an individual's circumstances.... and the next day they're out at a club taking it up the arse in a gang bang... but hey... not that I have any problem with that... it is indicative of what I see as hypocrytical thinking.... applying a wholesome Christian value one day and indulging in free love the next... but I no complain... we all tend to apply our own life expereince and circumstances, as limited as it might be, to judge other people, wrong as it can be. I think to enter a room full of consenting naked adults and set aside your morals for a moment of freedom absent of time and inhibition, is truly a beautiful experience... surreal.... like being in a Spencer Tunik picture with benefits. :p And nobody should be denied that opportunity. Hugs Stalky

  • RHP

    RHP User

    16 years ago

    Honestly i don't get this whole married bull...You date fall in love enjoy living in sin for many years before one marry's Walk down the isle so the bizo. Have a huge party because you signed your life away hahahaha Then in some cases becomes boring and the same bullshit day in day out..Naggings wives Lazy husbands ..Sex life dies and then the temptation of seeking it elsewhere is there. I can understand why so many couples get into swinging MMF FFM FMF MFM...To keep the spark alive to not end up hating the one you married and regret it in some ways.. Sorry SweetiePie i just read the section where you state then will cheat anyways..Its sad it happen!! But can't always blame the male for cheating..I say its even par on both sexes who are the cheats..Many women cheat on there partner and hubbies as well... None of us can garantee the person we play with is honest.But i suppose in the long run its a chance we take.. Lets alot of what you state in your topic makes sense and in true in many ways..Good topic to bring up..Can wait to read various different comments to this.. This topic can go in many different direction on answers and comments i found.. Well i rambled on haha TIT TIT

  • RHP

    RHP User

    16 years ago

    hey stalky ,if you got married 25 years ago ,,that would have made you 13 ,,,,some bullshit somewere...

  • RHP

    RHP User

    16 years ago

    You know what Stalky is like...always impatient and ahead of his time  Chers Nev.......But seriously Gaz has stated numerous times how old he is.

  • platinumblonde69

    platinumblonde69

    16 years ago

    I think the bottom line is we all have to live with what we do, regardless of what it is....We all have different lives, different beliefs, different values...It is noones right to say what is right, and what is wrong...Everyone has reasons for doing what they do....I agree with TIT_witch's post....We have to take everything on face value, believe what people tell us, or live and learn from our mistakes.... Cheers...xoxox

  • RHP

    RHP User

    16 years ago

    Lol Les. It's no secret that I'm 48... I've said so dozens of times publicly and I make a point of telling people who write to me privately. I changed my age so that I fell within Sal and Andy's age specifications.... you know.... just in case.... But thanks all the same for looking out fir my interests. I really was a child bride if that puts your mind at ease. HugsI Stalky

  • Letsgetcrazy09

    Letsgetcrazy09

    16 years ago

    Plats & Tit, that is all far too sensible, that doesn't go well for discussion.....lol Taipan, you guessed right I am not trying to stifle peoples relaying of their experiences, I'm encouraging an open discussion on the merits or lack thereof of the moralistic highground that SOME take against the "player without consent", given a narrow path of interpretation of Christian value/morals...........I am not saying what to do, merely giving a topic to discuss I am not after the details of why and when, I am after the arguements for and against the moral highground, to get people to think about that alone and keep away from the fringe areas Stalky is right in that all vows don't have the "forsaking" clause in them, but a lot do It is just that I have found it amusing to see those that swing within a marriage with full consent castigate those that dont have consent. Perhaps they didn't marry with that clause. So from there I took the narrow view and was attempting to get the discussion on those lines to see what the reasoning is. Cheers Lets

  • RHP

    RHP User

    16 years ago

    Quoting 'SWEETIEPIE2010' I don't do to another woman what would just about end my world if another woman did it to me. I know the guy will cheat anyway and i don't care about his reasons for cheating/playing without permission........what i care about is wether i can look myself in the mirror every morning and see someone i'm proud of and respect I couldn't do this if i knowingly messed with a married man playing without consent/blessing. I can't guarantee every time that the guy i'm playing with isn't lying and really is playing without consent but i can do my best to ask questions and if my BS radar goes off then i'm out. Frankly a man who not only plays without consent AND lies about it is not someone i wish to know anyway. I have had 2 guys who have told me the truth and said they don't have their wives blessing and of course i wasn't going anywhere near them but i respected the fact that at least they had the balls to tell me that and be honest even if what they were doing i consider dishonourable. Kisses Mrs S You are one very rare and special woman Sweetiepie, nice to know there are other people with ethics.To answer the question at hand, would the same apply if tose were not your vows??I mean in this modern day, many couples choose to write their own vows, and of the many weddings i have been to, both christian and other, i can't recall that particular vow being used once.At the end of the day, that piece of paper is not what keeps me from straying.It is the love and respect i have for her, that will keep me true.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    16 years ago

    Who decided on the "moral highground"? I doubt it was God...he's pretty cool with everyone just living true to themselves. People decide the moral highground. I guess if people are simply true to themselves and honest...which means sometimes saying "I don't know", then the moral highground is effectively defunct. In my opinion, the moral highground is created by people who look at others before themselves. It's a way to control by putting others down to raise themselves up. Judgement calls are important however - if we didn't have them we would never make decisions. I guess people judge differently - some people inform themselves first and some people don't. And the people who don't inform themselves first will often take the "moral highground". Jx

  • RHP

    RHP User

    16 years ago

    I would like to think that I would not knowingly become intimate with a man that is cheating...simply because...there are too many single and available guys out there to get to know...rather than getting involved in the potential drama.Been there, done that. And by intimate I mean sharing ANY intimacy that would hurt the partner should they find out.BUT....I am human....and I fuck up...and who's to say that somewhere down the track I wouldn't throw my ideals out the window and fall head over heels in love with a married man?? I honestly couldn't say that it would never happen.I personally think...that if a person is getting what they need at home.....they don't cheat.I do not condone cheating....but I also don't condemn it. It isn't my relationship....I don't know the ins and outs and emotions of it....so I really have no right to judge it. I just choose to try to avoid becoming a part of it.JMO...BJxxxAnd roughfkr1..what you said..."At the end of the day, that piece of paper is not what keeps me from straying.It is the love and respect i have for her, that will keep me true".Lovely.....just lovely!

  • RHP

    RHP User

    16 years ago

    obs i think your right personally people tend to look towards others and it starts as we are kids growing up our parents set the standards to which we later set to form,i tend to use people i feel who are a role model towards others as my moral high ground as i never had the best teachers to show me the right way while i was developing,saying that i know what i dont want to be so now its just a never ending cycle of fine tuning to the right judgement calls

  • RHP

    RHP User

    16 years ago

    Sweetiepie, you are spot on with what you have written....Yes we all flirt with eachother and have FUN ...I think everyone should read your last post and remember it.. go to go ..i have a plane to catch !!

  • RHP

    RHP User

    16 years ago

    Yaaay contract law!!! 1. Adhering firmly and devotedly, as to a person, idea, or cause. Man: Lets get married and be swingers! Woman: You stole my thunder! Vow: " be faithful to each other as long as you both shall live". Man And Woman: We're Married! Yaaay! Now lets have an orgy! methinks that means they are adhering to their contract. On the other hand anyone who follows indoctrinated fairytales and superstitions might as well have a Jedi wedding. And what about divorce? Clear breach of contract ffs! Random

  • RHP

    RHP User

    16 years ago

    Quoting 'customer69'Now exchanging my marriage certificate for a decree nisei...just need a process server!I told my teenage sons, that if they ever played up on their wives, I would be the mother from hell, and help their wives to glue their bits, to their bodies!Trish HI Trish I come from a broken marriage,and as much as I would like to say that it hasn`t effected me I can`t.So dont be suprised if it dosn`t effect them unfortunately.But I think you will find that what ever path your kids take in life you will stand by them 100% when the time comes thats if it comes.Blood is always thicker than water. colt