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IS THE ALPHA MALE, A THING OF THE PAST?
April 02 2013
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RHP User
13 years ago
Men are expected to bite their tongue for fear of reprisals? Really? Well you can't be an alpha male if you feel like this. Can you? Is this how men really feel? Women state their opinion and don't back down. Maye we just have the bigger balls? :P Mr 101 stand up for what you believe it, argue about things you feel passionate about. And if people don't like that well that is their problem.
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13 years ago
As for beta males. I want someone who is my equal. Sometimes they will be dominant with certain things and other times I may be. I personally would never just want a yes man. :( Does one partner always have to be the more dominant one at all times??
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13 years ago
Waits for Mischeviouslad and neptune_drift to turn up.
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13 years ago
What, exactly, is an alpha male? ...according to some random website, an alpha male is a pretty good guy. Direct, honest, a leader without being a bully, protective but not a brawler, confident and self-assured.Hmmm... Sounds a like a great partner, someone who has the needs of their tribe foremost of mind. Sounds perfectly compatible with being respectful, with knowing when to hold their tongue (often) and when to fight to the death (rarely), and with sharing life with a confident woman.Sounds aspirational to me.The picture you, OP, paint of an alpha male reminds me just a little with why I have trouble with gansters, spivs and thugs (of any creed) - they go on and on about demanding respect from everyone, but fail to demonstrate any respect for anyone else, or indeed - deep down - for themselves.I hate to drag it down to a definitional debate, but I don't agree with the vibe of your alpha male. It's not the male (alpha, beta or omega) I want to be. He doesn't hold his tongue for fear, but because he understands his role in providing an environment of safety, harmony and respect for *his* people. He also understands he might have to bite to teach the cubs a lesson, or keep out the rogue, but he does so knowingly and with reluctance."Let not thy will roar, when thy power can but whisper."
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13 years ago
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13 years ago
Quoting 'Messolonghi' What, exactly, is an alpha male? ...according to some random website, an alpha male is a pretty good guy. Direct, honest, a leader without being a bully, protective but not a brawler, confident and self-assured. Sounds about spot on to me.
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13 years ago
...since when was dating a 'battlefield'?
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13 years ago
We are strong, no one can tell us we're wrong Searchin' our hearts for so long, both of us knowing Love Is A Battlefield Woa woa oo oo oooo
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13 years ago
Spectacular....you have my vote Pat Benatar - hell yeah...it's stuck in my head now You're beggin' me to go, you're makin' me stay Why do you hurt me so bad? It would help me to know Do I stand in your way, or am I the best thing you've had? Believe me, believe me, I can't tell you why But I'm trapped by your love, and I'm chained to your side We are young, heartache to heartache we stand No promises, no demands Love Is A Battlefield
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13 years ago
MR_101,I am just so alphabetically challenged 'cos it's all Greek to moi
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13 years ago
There is a big difference between an alpha male and a guy that’s just a jerk. I used to think my husband was a push over, but he is just not bothered to sweat the small stuff. He is the quiet type, and I never saw him loose it except one time at football and the rest of his team were holding on to him as he dragged them along the field to the guy he wanted to mangle. After that day they called him freight train, said if he ran into you it felt like a freight train. He says what he says if its important, he respects women as he has two girls but he also has some very male views that are set and his word is the last one. I would get guys doing the yada yada smooth as a rat with a gold tooth, and confused a good fuck with a guy being dominate in the bedroom with being alpha. They are poles apart. My husband is xarmy, xfireman and still in that kind of work where he has to have use of force. Would you think him alpha if you met him, probably not, but then I guess the women on here who know him could judge that. If some guy tried to hurt his girls or me, I think they would soon find out he is no pussy. Some guys put on the disguise of Beta male, so they blend into the society they have to live in. Beta males are the unlucky ones, the nice guys that finish last.
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RHP User
13 years ago
I do like Mr Messo's definition, perfect!:) Ms fun.
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13 years ago
Alpha Male ? This isn't a pack of dogs . To suggest an Alpha is to suggest a leader or dominant member . Alpha Males achieve this position in the Animal Kingdom by fighting. I'm Confident & I know what I want but that doesn't make me Superior . In a Woman , I seek an Equal . Have Men , as a whole , become Pussies (Beta) ? I don't think so . I just think we've got more of a grip on Reality than we used to (generally speaking) . Perhaps people don't have as much Tolerance for Alpha Males any more , in our Enlightened Society . As to an Alpha being a Leader , The best way to lead is by example & mutual Respect . GG♒- Posted from rhpmobile
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13 years ago
I wish my man would bite his tongue sometimes. He says it as he sees it. I love him for it though.
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13 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' Men are expected to bite their tongue for fear of reprisals? Really? Well you can't be an alpha male if you feel like this. Can you? Is this how men really feel? Women state their opinion and don't back down. Maye we just have the bigger balls? :P Mr 101 stand up for what you believe it, argue about things you feel passionate about. And if people don't like that well that is their problem. Damn right Miss Meeka....... Ironic that it takes a woman to point it out, isnt it.A so called Alpha only 'bites his tongue' if there is no value, benefit or need in him offering a response.But he makes his opinion, points of tolerance and determination kn own, even if it happens to be wrong at the time.And he has the backbone to apologise, and listen to the feedback when he is wrong, without ego offering a challenge.Alpha, is merely walking the talk, without the talk.DG
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RHP User
13 years ago
I agree with Freya. It is all Greek to me. I like the definition Messo provided. I wish it could be applied to all men. The "real men" moniker is an artificial construct. Are males who work in offices less manly compared with those who work in the field. Is a male with a bit of flab less of a man than someone with toned muscles? Just because a guy is quiet does not mean he is harmless. We have teeth but we just exercise restraint and have the wisdom to know when to bare them. So, why did I mention Omega in the title? Well, ladies, soon you will have to accept any male. It seems that the Y chromosome is on the way out. In, oh about 5 mil years, there will only be women on this planet. I bet H.G. Wells never thought of that one. We are a dying breed so enjoy your men while you still can.
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13 years ago
All I want to add at this stage is that people who argue against political correctness are just arguing for their right to be inconsiderate jerks.
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13 years ago
will you marry me (rest easy ladies, i'm willing to share) Quoting 'Messolonghi' What, exactly, is an alpha male? ...according to some random website, an alpha male is a pretty good guy. Direct, honest, a leader without being a bully, protective but not a brawler, confident and self-assured. Hmmm... Sounds a like a great partner, someone who has the needs of their tribe foremost of mind. Sounds perfectly compatible with being respectful, with knowing when to hold their tongue (often) and when to fight to the death (rarely), and with sharing life with a confident woman. Sounds aspirational to me. The picture you, OP, paint of an alpha male reminds me just a little with why I have trouble with gansters, spivs and thugs (of any creed) - they go on and on about demanding respect from everyone, but fail to demonstrate any respect for anyone else, or indeed - deep down - for themselves. I hate to drag it down to a definitional debate, but I don't agree with the vibe of your alpha male. It's not the male (alpha, beta or omega) I want to be. He doesn't hold his tongue for fear, but because he understands his role in providing an environment of safety, harmony and respect for *his* people. He also understands he might have to bite to teach the cubs a lesson, or keep out the rogue, but he does so knowingly and with reluctance. "Let not thy will roar, when thy power can but whisper."
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13 years ago
i dont bite my tongue for fear of anything.. so thats a crock...as is the idea that datings a 'battlefield'....its a bloody adventure in my eyes,and to honest, its perhaps some of the most enjoyable times i ever had....the dating 'game' is a hoot!
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13 years ago
They can be quietly self-assured and lead with a gentle hand, even. They have clarity, purpose, direction and the confidence to influence others. Don't make the mistake of thinking the alpha male is the loudest or most argumentative in the room. Instead he's the one most people are drawn to, seek out, listen to, follow. He might also be loud and dominant, but he might not.
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13 years ago
Pythagoras was just sitting in his bath doing what we all do. And he came up with a2 +b2 = c2 (now that's squared but I can't work out how to do math equations on my macbook!!! Go figure!) .
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13 years ago
Thats nothing.......I can count to 22 in the shower. lolDG
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13 years ago
since gloria steinem took a firebrand to our masculinity, lol
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13 years ago
Yum :)- Posted from rhpmobile
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13 years ago
well, hasn't this topic stirred up some interesting response!as any one that knows me knows, that i have never been part of popular opinion.as an ex warhorse / lawman i say and do as i feel. it does not garner friends and i dont much care if it does.i was on rhp many years ago when it was good ( inb4 rhp was never good lol) and have had some interesting email exchangewith " ladies " that felt they were too cool for school and replied visciously to innocuous remarks yet the butthurt within them was so great they made fake reports against me.and so i ask....again not rhetorically , whilst the world alleges free speech....can one truly speak it?so can an alpha male be allowed to be an alpha male?
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13 years ago
Will that be because an alpha female kicked a leg off the Y?
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13 years ago
Quoting 'Freya77' MR_101,I am just so alphabetically challenged 'cos it's all Greek to moi I LOOVE and ADORE Greek men - they can speak Greek to moi, 24hrs a day/7days a week/365 days of the year. FOXY
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13 years ago
You can catch more flies with Honey than you can with Vinegar ;) GG♒- Posted from rhpmobile
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13 years ago
OP, you should have a chat with Bassem Youssef. - Posted from rhpmobile
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13 years ago
Quoting 'Mischeviouslad' Thats nothing.......I can count to 22 in the shower. lolDG The hairs on your chest?Is it necessary for alpha males to have hairy chests?
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13 years ago
Quoting 'MR__101' well, hasn't this topic stirred up some interesting response!as any one that knows me knows, that i have never been part of popular opinion.as an ex warhorse / lawman i say and do as i feel. it does not garner friends and i dont much care if it does.i was on rhp many years ago when it was good ( inb4 rhp was never good lol) and have had some interesting email exchangewith " ladies " that felt they were too cool for school and replied visciously to innocuous remarks yet the butthurt within them was so great they made fake reports against me.and so i ask....again not rhetorically , whilst the world alleges free speech....can one truly speak it?so can an alpha male be allowed to be an alpha male? there it is, the real reason for the post. Anger about rejection and being reported to RHP. Let's try and disguise the vent as a debate about free speech and alpha males.I think, OP, that you are a little confused about what the terms 'free speech' and 'alpha male' actually mean.
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13 years ago
This has got the forum going!!! Personally I like to share dominant roles in the Boudoir!!! I like to have the upper hand at times too!! Go Messo!!!- Posted from rhpmobile
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13 years ago
"ladies" & "men" Interesting. Chicken or regular salt with your shoulder chips? lol ;-) DG
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13 years ago
I thought this was a genuine debate. Alas, another cranky ole rant. By the way... What does "butthurt" look like exactly to you OP? *passes OP a mirror*
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13 years ago
Quoting 'MR__101'well, hasn't this topic stirred up some interesting response! as any one that knows me knows, that i have never been part of popular opinion. as an ex warhorse / lawman i say and do as i feel. it does not garner friends and i dont much care if it does. i was on rhp many years ago when it was good ( inb4 rhp was never good lol) and have had some interesting email exchange with " ladies " that felt they were too cool for school and replied visciously to innocuous remarks yet the butthurt within them was so great they made fake reports against me. and so i ask....again not rhetorically , whilst the world alleges free speech....can one truly speak it? so can an alpha male be allowed to be an alpha male? But you need to get a real dog first, not some hairy arm pit of a pooch points to my own bite ya face of German shepherd You can speak free as a bird on here, but if you say the wrong thing to da ladies, then your nuts may end up on a cyber platter On line and off-line are poles apart, cyber land everyone can jump on you. A wimpy guy who you could in real life turn into a pretzel can grown the biggest set of cyber balls Tthe sexy goddess in cyber land is just some poor woman who has cobwebs in her crack and her whole life is the internet so Alpha on line and alpha off may be poles apart, and why do we have to intellectualise alpha? I am sure the wolf pack does not have a debate about who is top dog. Being politically correct has nothing to do with being alpha male, neither does being rude jerk A woman feels it in her gut when a strong dog comes into the room Were animals after all. For those that meet me in Sydney there were some nice men there, but I think we would have to agree that Boots, wore the boots in that pack.
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13 years ago
hey folks,thanks for your comments good and bad. it was interesting to read some responses.in relation to those who presume...i hardly see the point in someone making an untrue report to rhp stating somebody has contact details in their profile because somebody had a snappier comeback than them, resulting in profile review and deletion.this was never a rant, only to solicit genuine response from thinking people.regards 101.
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13 years ago
in my oh so very humble and totally subservient opinion,are not intimidated or concerned about being attacked by a bitch.
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13 years ago
Quoting 'MR__101' hey folks,thanks for your comments good and bad. it was interesting to read some responses.in relation to those who presume...i hardly see the point in someone making an untrue report to rhp stating somebody has contact details in their profile because somebody had a snappier comeback than them, resulting in profile review and deletion.this was never a rant, only to solicit genuine response from thinking people.regards 101. Again, interesting approach........ dismissing those opinions you disagree with, by inference.... as from non thinkers.DG
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RHP User
13 years ago
A topic very close to my heart for quite a few weeks now & these are my reflections based on my experiences...Many, are arrogant. They give women some notice & then expect to be chased & hold at arms length...Many, younger "up & coming Alpha males", will say hello & expect the woman to the chase them so they can talk about themselves & continually build themselves up...Many, think because they have so much to offer & because of their background, that if you turn them down, you are the idiot, they rarely stop to think that their approach is simply a complete turn off & some women, such myself, will say "so what"? & by the way "no"...I am trying very hard to think of examples of Alpha males where they don't have all or some of those repulsive traits...
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13 years ago
Quoting 'OneEmerald' A topic very close to my heart for quite a few weeks now & these are my reflections based on my experiences...Many, are arrogant. They give women some notice & then expect to be chased & hold at arms length...Many, younger "up & coming Alpha males", will say hello & expect the woman to the chase them so they can talk about themselves & continually build themselves up...Many, think because they have so much to offer & because of their background, that if you turn them down, you are the idiot, they rarely stop to think that their approach is simply a complete turn off & some women, such myself, will say "so what"? & by the way "no"...I am trying very hard to think of examples of Alpha males where they don't have all or some of those repulsive traits... Well said "OneEmerald".....I agree wholeheartedly with you! Love your profile too btw..Too many so called "Alpha males" seem to confuse arrogance with confidence & are downright rude & nasty to boot...Sick of rude & aggressive messages & profiles that are misleading in the extreme...False advertising is rife on 101 profile seems to good to be true & in fact is unbelievably rude and to be avoided at all costs...
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13 years ago
I think it'll still there but guys have learned to expierience more through supressing it....
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13 years ago
i think if you supress it you get a lot more sex...works for me
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13 years ago
There has always and will always be Alpha males as long as we live as communal and not solitary beasts.. I dont think technology has much to do with it, its human nature.. Even in chat rooms you get Alpha's. And to.answer your question I think that if that type of alpha did venture out he may no longer be the Alpha he was and go back to his submissive pack.. I keep thinking of the Joker and his henchmen. And I think you can be an Alpha and still bite your tongue at times.. the tactful alpha lol There are a heap of different alpha's
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13 years ago
Quoting 'Messolonghi' "Let not thy will roar, when thy power can but whisper." Love this quote, I think alpha males died out with cavemen. They evolved from a time where the strongest and not the smartest survived. True leadership and respect comes from your ability to think, act and respect others. None of this helps if you cannot communicate effectively.
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13 years ago
That's hillarious! Keep.up the good work!! ;)
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13 years ago
How absurd men are! They never use the liberties they have, they demand those they do not have. They have freedom of thought, they demand freedom of speech. - Soren Kierkegaard Truth can hurt as much as a lie if use maliciously or unwisely. However, you can never please everyone. Trying to do so will make you unhappy. You need to be happy with yourself first before you can start attracting others. Some people will never understand what you are trying to say, some people don't want to understand what you say, some people will think you are wrong, some people will agree wholeheartedly with you, some will resent what you say, some will think you naive, some will think you arrogant. It took me sometime, but I learnt never take things to heart. If I am wrong, then there is no point being angry or disappointed. Correctly your understanding. If you are right, then try and explain. If they still don't get it, then move on. The biggest lesson I learnt is to listen more than you speak. Unfortunately, that will not work in a forum setting such as this. I do post flippant remarks at times and some with incomplete understanding. I feel that there is nothing more I can add to a discussion and yet still post something. That is the nature of things here otherwise I won't get noticed. In reality, I am quite different. The days of the patriarchal society is gone. The Alpha Male is not all knowing, wise, correct all the time and everyone has to listen to him. If people still think that, they are living in the wrong century. This is a century of equals. Women have moved on, grown more confident. Men need also to otherwise we will end up in museums.
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13 years ago
Quoting 'SecretPleasure69' Quoting 'Messolonghi' "Let not thy will roar, when thy power can but whisper." Love this quote, I think alpha males died out with cavemen. They evolved from a time where the strongest and not the smartest survived. True leadership and respect comes from your ability to think, act and respect others. None of this helps if you cannot communicate effectively. YOU had to have the brawn and the brains to get to the head of the pack. Now people think that its money , the suits the power to me its physical and mental strenght like a sas guy, that is why women go for cops , firemen all those dangerous physical and mental jobs it does not mean you are a thug, it means your not some castrated guy that panders to the pussy power that is a false thing women have no fucking power when it comes to a war zone,or even if men decide they want to be in charge, just look at the taliban or other strict control of women. Cave men are alive and well and not all of them re the good guys, though thank go some of them are and I would line up behind those kind of men like the sas, rather than some guy that types real good but the best they can do is poke a guy in the eye with a pencil were animals,alpha is not something you talk your way into. Nor can you buy it with smart cars and suits. You either have it or you dont. And yes you can be an ugly dum mutt who lives by his fists its a primal thing. Just look at a prison population and you sure as shit know ten seconds in being in a group of men , what one is the top dog. As a woman working in the prisions if you cant sense that your can put yourself in a sticky situation. I have seen some women who go into prisons without a clue thinking they are equal or tougher than men but is an artificial thing , they are only protected by the system ando ther MEN if a man wants to hurt you, he can its that simple
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13 years ago
A is for AlphaA is also for Authority.And authority is not merely the result of the application of physical force.DG
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13 years ago
Tuscan, I respect your strength and right to disagree. The point I was making was that alpha male traits are more aligned to the animal kingdom. The analogy of SAS , fire fighters and police do not constitute Alpha tendencies, but rather necessary traits in a civilised society for those occupations. Granted they have power, but due to the authority or fire arms we bestow them with. As for prison, you sound more educated than me on it, but to generalise, I would align prison closer to the animal kingdom than civilised society.
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13 years ago
Quoting 'MR__101' well, hasn't this topic stirred up some interesting response!as any one that knows me knows, that i have never been part of popular opinion.as an ex warhorse / lawman i say and do as i feel. it does not garner friends and i dont much care if it does.i was on rhp many years ago when it was good ( inb4 rhp was never good lol) and have had some interesting email exchangewith " ladies " that felt they were too cool for school and replied visciously to innocuous remarks yet the butthurt within them was so great they made fake reports against me.and so i ask....again not rhetorically , whilst the world alleges free speech....can one truly speak it?so can an alpha male be allowed to be an alpha male? doesn't try to put women down.he doesn't whine about having to "bite his tongue"he has respect for women and doesn't resort to name calling or women bashing.by posting all this crap all you have done is handed your power over to women and obviously let them get to you. Man license revoked!
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13 years ago
Quoting 'Freya77' in my oh so very humble and totally subservient opinion,are not intimidated or concerned about being attacked by a bitch. As an OMEGA male I would just love to be attacked by a bitch. A little bit of mutual rough in the bedroom does no harm. Plus us Ώ males are not concerned with recognition like an Alpha male. Belong to all groups and enjoy life as it comes.
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13 years ago
Two Rams are butting heads while the female watches. The winner who mates is the stongest and therefore the Alpha Male. Wait...A third ram runs out of the woods and mates with the female while the two males are fighting. THAT is the omega male.
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13 years ago
Quoting 'CreamyKit10' Quoting 'OneEmerald' A topic very close to my heart for quite a few weeks now & these are my reflections based on my experiences...Many, are arrogant. They give women some notice & then expect to be chased & hold at arms length...Many, younger "up & coming Alpha males", will say hello & expect the woman to the chase them so they can talk about themselves & continually build themselves up...Many, think because they have so much to offer & because of their background, that if you turn them down, you are the idiot, they rarely stop to think that their approach is simply a complete turn off & some women, such myself, will say "so what"? & by the way "no"...I am trying very hard to think of examples of Alpha males where they don't have all or some of those repulsive traits... Well said "OneEmerald".....I agree wholeheartedly with you! Love your profile too btw..Too many so called "Alpha males" seem to confuse arrogance with confidence & are downright rude & nasty to boot...Sick of rude & aggressive messages & profiles that are misleading in the extreme...False advertising is rife on 101 profile seems to good to be true & in fact is unbelievably rude and to be avoided at all costs... Someone else has mentioned that there are different types of Alpha males & I agree.In my humble opinion... I believe the OP is talking about the "typical Alpha male", that he considers himself... It is this particular type of Alpha male I am referring to in my post & I think most would find abhorrent.Messo... where can I find the Alpha male you are describing? Now that is what I've always expected in my version of a true "Alpha Male" in this century...
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13 years ago
TR I do have to disagree with some of what you said. You are looking at power in terms of brute force. There is also soft power, which is something women and some men are very adapt at using. Women, throughout the ages, have used their beauty, intelligence and charm to set things in motion to their benefit. Unfortunately, the feminist movement seems to have forgotten about this side of power. Sure, there might be many negative connotations regarding this, such as someone being manipulative or cunning. So what. It works. In the US military, women can serve in the front line. They have been doing this for years in the Israeli military. I know a lot of women who have black belts in one or more form of martial arts. I really recommend women taking up some form of martial arts. So, yes, women are not that weak after all.Power can be used to imprison people or to liberate them. In Australia, we are lucky that the system allows for people to live free and without fear. However, I have met a few women, and some men, who have been conditioned that you could think they are still living in the middle ages. My ex-gf told me I am the only one she went out with who supported her to complete her masters and helped her achieve her goal. That gave her a lot of confidence in herself. As for prison, I have heard stories and read biographies of people (men and women) who work with prisoners. The first thing they did was treat them as human beings. Not as criminals but as people who made a mistake. With that compassion and empathy, they got on fine in prison. Recidivism reduced in those prisons. Not all prisoners are criminals. They are made into criminals by society. Of course, they knew who were the alpha prisoners and got to them, and through them to the other prisoners. Respect is very important to prisoners. Making them feel powerless makes them lash out.As for Alpha male, he is not the guy who does not beat a woman. He is the guy who stops other guys from beating up women. You hear a lot in the news of guys getting beaten up or killed coming to the rescue of someone in trouble. While tragic, they show some of the best qualities of being a decent human being.I might be a mild-mannered version of mild-mannered Clark Kent. However, I know right from wrong and do not budge on principles.
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13 years ago
Of course there are still alpha males. I think it is strange that someone would say there aren't.
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13 years ago
I think you're all misunderstanding what the OP said. To dumb this all down though, Alpha status is usually achieved by the animal (male or female) being physically superior. When it comes to "dating" (who are you kidding) sites like RHP, the Alpha will win over beta 95% of the time if it wants too. Let's face it, pictures first profiles later.
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13 years ago
Loved your comments on this topic 😘- Posted from rhpmobile
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13 years ago
but I don't think a classic alpha male would bite his tongue or tip toe around anyone? Personally, I would not like it if a man rolled over all the time so as not to upset me or gain my approval. So in regard to your question? Women do want real men. Well...this woman does!Men with a good alpha personality naturally lead, are dominant in their sphere of influence, know how to enlist the support of others, either through their physical prowess or social alliances in their group, and know how to get others to do their bidding. The definitive factor being they lead with the welfare of others in mind and a plan for the future. The crux is their heart tempered with logic, It has to be a balance. If an alpha male has cultivated these things then he is not likely to be threatened by being in the close vicinity of a female for extended periods of time and can understand that to allow the feminine in would help strengthen and inform his adult life. She is neither seen as a liability, a commodity or to be put on a pedestal. She just is! (He is not threatened by beta males either.) A beta is alphas right hand man, just as valuable, no less relevant, equally has a role to play and something to offer. Where would Batman be without Robin, the Lone Ranger/Tonto, Danny Zucko without Kenickie at Thunder Road? There are many roles within a social system, not just alpha/beta, and our individual role within a group is instinctive, Gamma, Delta, Epsilon, Omega? We do not sit around figuring it out by talking about it. It's unconscious and we just do it! I don't know that women are giving preference to alpha males for the sex and beta males for a longer term relationship though? That statement is pretty generalised. The alpha males I've known are not such bad old dinosaurs and I'm pretty sure none of them think of themselves as only wanted or needed for the sex or have nothing else to offer? That is just outrageous and ...well....I think it's a little bit sad. More likely the males you speak of only feel comfortable spending time with a female when she is attached to the end of his dick? Maybe this has more to do with the male individual? I am not having a go at you but just offering another way of seeing OP. It is a good topic.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'zu7bcv' How absurd men are! They never use the liberties they have, they demand those they do not have. They have freedom of thought, they demand freedom of speech. - Soren Kierkegaard Truth can hurt as much as a lie if use maliciously or unwisely. However, you can never please everyone. Trying to do so will make you unhappy. You need to be happy with yourself first before you can start attracting others. Some people will never understand what you are trying to say, some people don't want to understand what you say, some people will think you are wrong, some people will agree wholeheartedly with you, some will resent what you say, some will think you naive, some will think you arrogant. It took me sometime, but I learnt never take things to heart. If I am wrong, then there is no point being angry or disappointed. Correctly your understanding. If you are right, then try and explain. If they still don't get it, then move on. The biggest lesson I learnt is to listen more than you speak. Unfortunately, that will not work in a forum setting such as this. I do post flippant remarks at times and some with incomplete understanding. I feel that there is nothing more I can add to a discussion and yet still post something. That is the nature of things here otherwise I won't get noticed. In reality, I am quite different. The days of the patriarchal society is gone. The Alpha Male is not all knowing, wise, correct all the time and everyone has to listen to him. If people still think that, they are living in the wrong century. This is a century of equals. Women have moved on, grown more confident. Men need also to otherwise we will end up in museums.Circa 2013. (Take a picture and frame it.)Omega Woman.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Having lived in Brisbane for many years, and regularly ride down to the Gold Coast where i tend to come across many "Alpha Males"Only thing is, these up and coming champs are NOT alpha malesthe real issue has been the blurring of the definition of the Alpha Male!You see, most bucks think they can become an Alpha by merely shooting horse steroids into their ass, to make their muscles big The fake alpha male is born!He is so full of his own importance, and visions of grandeur, and behaves like a dickhead, yet expects the ladies to flock.And yes, some women are drawn into the shallow charms of the false alpha, but in my experience, the smart woman knows and sees through the fake bravado.So OP - are these the Alpha males of which you speak?Then lets have a look at the "Beta" malesAs you have mentioned - the ladies end up marrying the beta males.Is it because they don't need to rely on all things fake?Is it because these so called "Betas" are safe? Or is it because the "Betas" as you put it, are the actual Alphas, and smart women can see that, and marry them, while the rest of the steroid fueled gym junkies continue to chase the elusive dream.A real Alpha male, has strength of character, strength of conviction, and integrity!
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RHP User
13 years ago
Alpha male is surely as stated above, the leader of the pack, the provider, carer and protector. It does not mean he can take what he wants when he wants as he is usually supported by an alpha female who will give him a swift reminder that life is not about his needs but if the needs if the group. To me the alpha make role only comes into use in the human form when in a family (or similar) situation :-) - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
13 years ago
Not need to point himself out. He just IS!
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LemonDance
13 years ago
Quoting 'Messolonghi' What, exactly, is an alpha male? ...according to some random website, an alpha male is a pretty good guy. Direct, honest, a leader without being a bully, protective but not a brawler, confident and self-assured.Hmmm... Sounds a like a great partner, someone who has the needs of their tribe foremost of mind. Sounds perfectly compatible with being respectful, with knowing when to hold their tongue (often) and when to fight to the death (rarely), and with sharing life with a confident woman.Sounds aspirational to me.The picture you, OP, paint of an alpha male reminds me just a little with why I have trouble with gansters, spivs and thugs (of any creed) - they go on and on about demanding respect from everyone, but fail to demonstrate any respect for anyone else, or indeed - deep down - for themselves.I hate to drag it down to a definitional debate, but I don't agree with the vibe of your alpha male. It's not the male (alpha, beta or omega) I want to be. He doesn't hold his tongue for fear, but because he understands his role in providing an environment of safety, harmony and respect for *his* people. He also understands he might have to bite to teach the cubs a lesson, or keep out the rogue, but he does so knowingly and with reluctance."Let not thy will roar, when thy power can but whisper." Messolonghi... beautifully said like the true Alpha male that you are... hopefully Mr__101 will take on some of what you've said!:o)
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RHP User
13 years ago
not to be confused with an alpha male is the 'pseudo' or 'quasi' alpha male. He more displays the traits of an 'Adonis', where his power is derived from his physical beauty or deserved vanity. Obviously attractive but scratch the surface and the 'Adonis' is not really an alpha under all the gilding and his body-builderesque veneer. Another type is more of a veiled 'Narcissist'' with his envy, arrogance, hubris, excessive pride, magical thinking, sense of entitlement, penchant for bragging/exaggerating, lack of empathy, bad boundaries, haughty body language, self-focused ability to exploit others , use of flattery and his complete denial or lack of remorse.Also not an alpha male.
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