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Gas Lighting

November 09 2013

I have recently learnt this is a term used when one does or says something in a way that appears to be at face value though instead has hidden, usually negative, meaning. If questioned though, things can be easily twisted so the one who posed the question appears to be seen as foolish or worse. As a newbie to this site I have taken the liberty to familiarise myself with topics discussed in the forums and the members who regularly appear. There are many interesting, humorous and thought provoking topics. There are also those which leave you shaking your head at the obvious, yawning at the blandness and rolling your eyes at the ignorance. Whichever topic it is though, I believe every single member has the right to comment and post their opinion and be secure in the knowledge if there were other members who disagreed or even took offence the matter would be openly dealt with & discussed in a mature fashion. I believe the majority of members on this site would agree. Sadly though I have come across a small group who vividly remind me of those catty, gossipy, unpopular girls in highschool who so desperately wanted to be seen as cool but were instead openly referred to as wannabes and rightfully shunned and dismissed by those who were the factual cool crowd. Thia group appears to dominate through many posts but the mindless rambling is often boring, pretentious and repetitive. It makes me wonder if this is the reason the same recycled names are seen over and over instead of a multitude of many over a greatly varied spectrum. If it is, perhaps new posters should ve- Posted from rhpmobile

Comments

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    What a nasty lady. :P

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    How to win friends and influence people eh? Well, yes it does become repetitive and I know exactly which men will want to come onto this thread and say how awful women are. So really, the men are repetitive and insulting and just as bitchy. I give this thread 24 hrs before it self destructs. Shall we take bets?

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Welcome to the Sandpit . I agree with what you're saying but Everyone is entitled to their Opinion (yourself included). Whether you perceive it to be Negative or Positive . This is merely a Social Experiment in a Petrie dish . You may love or hate some of the Regular Posters here but is it not the same in the Real World ? The beauty of the Forums is in the diversity of the Posters . GG♒️- Posted from rhpmobile

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Freedom of speech and all that. Shame you didn't finish that last sentence, OP. New posters should what?   And the term Gaslighting means something slightly different.   Gaslighting is a form of mental abuse which false information is presented with the intent of making a victim doubt his or her own memory, perception or sanity. It may range simply from the denial by an abuser that previous abusive incidents ever occurred, up to the staging of bizarre events by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim. The term "gaslighting" comes from the play Gas Light and its film adaptations. The term is now also used in clinical and research literature. Source: Wikipedia.   Making a statement, then saying you were only joking or the other just misunderstood when you get callled on it is not gaslighting, but being manipulative I think.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Just plain old backtracking. Happened a few times recently when one or two of the guys were told off for some perceived derogatory statements to female posters.   Though it certainly works both ways.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Quoting 'Mesmerised'  Making a statement, then saying you were only joking or the other just misunderstood when you get callled on it is not gaslighting, but being manipulative I think. These sorts of things could be gaslighting, but it depends on the context in which it happens, and the intent of the person. Basically gaslighting is used to try and convince another person that their understanding of reality is false, or that they are being irrational / overly sensitive etc. A man saying to a woman, "you look fat in those pants", and then when she gets upset saying that he was only joking, she's too sensitive and can't take a joke, would be considered gaslighting. Another classic form of it is someone saying something that they know is provocative, then when the person gets upset or tries to argue the other says something like, "I'm sorry you feel upset by what I said, you must have misunderstood me." That again is switching the situation around so that the other person ends up confused and wondering if they are the problem. It can be done in very subtle ways, so that most people probably wouldn't even notice it or think anything of it, which further adds to the person's idea that the problem must be with them.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    prickly stuff.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    We, terrible bitches that we are, have scared off another poor newbie. Gosh we're nasty.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Obviously you don't need that girly high school mentality... Refreshing...

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Where's Mado with the pancakes and syrup?

  • madotara69

    madotara69

    12 years ago

    I just burnt them. Got caught up looking at all these hot face pics.

  • madotara69

    madotara69

    12 years ago

    speaking of hot face pics, it is so much betterer fun over there with Litonya. She has everyone mateing, it's more mattering.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Hi Summer,I'm new too. Any advice would be great (need to get a few more pics uploaded).Looking forward to meeting a few new people

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Quoting 'Luckdragon23' These sorts of things could be gaslighting, but it depends on the context in which it happens, and the intent of the person. Basically gaslighting is used to try and convince another person that their understanding of reality is false, or that they are being irrational / overly sensitive etc. A man saying to a woman, "you look fat in those pants", and then when she gets upset saying that he was only joking, she's too sensitive and can't take a joke, would be considered gaslighting. Another classic form of it is someone saying something that they know is provocative, then when the person gets upset or tries to argue the other says something like, "I'm sorry you feel upset by what I said, you must have misunderstood me." That again is switching the situation around so that the other person ends up confused and wondering if they are the problem. It can be done in very subtle ways, so that most people probably wouldn't even notice it or think anything of it, which further adds to the person's idea that the problem must be with them. The events you are describing are calculated and premeditated though. I've seen comments recently where the OPs would make a strong statement expecting to get support, then change things around when the opposite happened. I think gaslighting requires smarts, and in these situations it was more about the OP not thinking things through and trying to wiggle their way out of a sticky situation. Usually unsuccessfully.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Yes, let's get girly with Litonya! *Giggles*

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Was a party trick after an Indian curry!!! Or a means to keep warm :)- Posted from rhpmobile

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Quoting 'MrDevious'Hi Summer, I'm new too. Any advice would be great (need to get a few more pics uploaded). Looking forward to meeting a few new people Sorry about all this, hope you didn't get the wrong impression. Turned out Summer wasn't who she said she was. What advice are you after? Mes (Previously MsDevious)

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    I think you're off to a good start! You do say you're very kinky and it might be good to explain what that means to you. One person's Kink is another person's Tuesday afternoon, and the term might even scare some people off. Smiling pics are always great!

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Hi and welcome.Great to see a new face in the Forums. *You're cute*As you have noticed SUMMER_STORM is longer with us...it appears her profile is deleted.Some advice...some people will make a profile, pretend to be another and post nasty Forum Topics.Not cool to hide as another profile, especially when people know who they are!!The forums are a funny place, we like to call it "The Sandpit" some people like throw sand at others, people play nicely and others are kinky little fuckers!!I think the forums are a great place as you can tell how someone is by the way their posts.GOOD LUCK and I hope you find what you are looking for.See you around. :)FOXY

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    I just noticed you posted two Newbie forums today and they have both been deleted already, without having a single response. What the hell did you write in them? Never seen threads get shut down that fast!

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Ms.Marple will be proud!!FOXY

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    there was a apparatus called a soapbox, one could sprout what they thought in an open manner. Today the soapbox is a forum and you've stepped up on it. The original soapbox was dismantled (partly) due to the botherer's, who just congregate and disseminate their rubbish on street corners these day's, that's another topic . People today are more open to discussing their viewpoint, even if some term them a keyboard warrior (ie: years ago they'd snipe behind your back, instead of heckling in an open forum whilst you were on the soapbox), keep on truckin' ok. Keep contributing, all viewpoints are welcome, by some at least

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    that's another thing I learnt today

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    HL & S maybe to me, that's short for being taken for a ride, those who aren't an Aussie

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Hi Mes, great to meet you!I posted the same thing as I did in the other Sydney Newbie forum. Just a hello, nothing untoward... It wouldn't let me post, just kept rejecting so I copied into the other post... Maybe they thought it was spam.Thanks for the advice, that's what I need to get things moving forward and the profile up to scratch.Like I said, I need a few more pics and go from there. I always hate the way I look in photos though... Yes, men do think that too... I don't really have a firm definition of kinky, a lot of stuff I don't see as kinky but understand it can quite taboo to some people.SUPERFOXXY - great to meet you too. Tried to view your profile but it won't load. I plan on being around a while so plenty of time to get to know each other.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    I was consorting with the see no evil,hear no evil,speak no evils and so missed the storm in a teacup while drinking java....seems like she came,she saw ,she conkered.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    The other Gas Lighting thread has conkered as well. Now waiting for this one to be NEXT!

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    You can look now.FOXY

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    here one moment, gone the next, leaving splashes and puddles in the road that eventually evaporate leaving no trace that they were actually, ever really, here. Aside from the electricity... left crackling in the air. . Your middle paragraph resonates with me.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Wow, looking good Foxy

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    I read the OPs post several times now because I seem to be missing what it is she said to cause so much anger.. Take away the last paragraph which more than likely hit a nerve with some and tone of the message was positive . Taking a step back and reflecting instead mounting a raid seems the hardest thing to do. I'm guilty of over reacting at times when I should have just let some things go. Had others done likewise this post could have made a positive contribution..Contrary to what was aimed at me.. I have no idea who the OP is/ was, so the best thing to do is ask those who do appear to know... Without being hysterical, can someone please calmly tell me what stirred such a beehive ?

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    ok, yes I will respond to your question in a calm manner Jay_Me.What stirred a beehive (other than yourself)was the fact that Summer_storm was a fake profile set up by a person who, when confronted, admitted the pics she had up were not of herself.Cleary the post was to stir the pot .Once ousted as a fake she-he closed this membership ( of this name).SincerelyMiss Silly.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Quoting 'ruby_blossum'ok, yes I will respond to your question in a calm manner Jay_Me.What stirred a beehive (other than yourself)was the fact that Summer_storm was a fake profile set up by a person who, when confronted, admitted the pics she had up were not of herself.Cleary the post was to stir the pot .Once ousted as a fake she-he closed this membership ( of this name). SincerelyMiss Silly.Summer_storm admitted on her other 'Gas Lighting' thread, before it was deleted obviously, that one of her photos was not of herself and claimed that the other WAS actually her. I don't agree about stirring the pot either. In my contrary to the popular opinion of the general forum way, I thought she made very good, valid points on her other thread.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    The nude photo was actually a picture of a model. :)

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    I love Google reverse image search.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    I agree we should talk calmly to people and point people where they are doing the wrong thing. But I feel Summer was insinuating that we don't do that. I beg to differ, I think a few of us do speak up when we feel strongly enough about something. Summer also insinuated that we... Which includes me.... Was bitter. Nope I disagree with that Summer also insinuated that us chicks talk about the blokes, and other people of these forums between ourselves. Yep. That has always been the case and quite frankly is just normal right? Whether that be in SWB, or via personal messages, or At meet and greets social nights, you all chat about people of the forum or ppl on RHP... That's what we all have in common. Do the controversial people, or people who are arguing, etc get spoken about the most. Yeah... Well they are more interesting. Whether it be a forum, a workplace or a family you chat about things you have in common. Summer also insinuated we were bitches. Mmm overall I don't think so.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    I looked up both pics. The first one was a Russian model, Anna somethinorother, the other pic was of an anonymous model and featured quite heavily on sites like Pinterest and Tumblr. The fact that she said it was definitely her was a lie, and she got caught out. And Jay, my main problem was more with the other thread of the same title. The OP had taken things that were said in private and made them public. Very uncool in my book, especially when she made a point of saying members should be approached individually if someone has a problem with them. Instead she did the exact opposite.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Don they say bad publicity is better than no publicity? Or something like that.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    It was the last paragraph which upset me. It would be like me saying that there is a group of men in their 50's that...... And say some really horrible things. At the end of the day it's just a cheap shot that isn't worthy of any intelligent conversation.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Or certain men making similar nasty comments about women over the age of 40. Just not cool, nor mature. I think uncalled for is a good way to describe it.

  • madotara69

    madotara69

    12 years ago

    It is only fair to say it was manipulating people for it's own agenda. who is who againMado

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Interesting opinions posted since I last looked. I don't think Summer having a 'fake' profile reflects on the validity of her comments or not. If what she said had merit it had merit. In my view some of what she said was right on the money, some wasn't. I've said as much in a different post. I was more taken aback by how suddenly and publicly the post appeared. Given what seemed to have prompted it, it might have been better for the OP to make the comments on the thread in question, and to ask questions rather than make what came across as slamming/attacking statements, especially when she seemed to be directing her comments at the character of a few people on the strength of reading one thread they'd been part of. Rookie error perhaps? Or a deliberate ploy by someone who seems familiar? One thing I really don't like on here is what I refer to as the forum police. It's bad enough that the mods seem to be censoring every second thing but to have forum regulars ark (arc?) up and lord it over posters every time they don't like what they say is getting tiresome. Let things slip through to the keeper from time to time people - silence is as effective a message than jumping on every little thing that offends your sensibilities. Yes, the statement could apply to me from time to time :)- Posted from rhpmobile

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Damn Well I guess I'm not going to be able to Post My addition for her selection... They Say that Summer storm would be a bit Nasty this year , hot windy and soon Over. So I guess she was the 1st 1.:) Thanks Devious for the Informative Reply yet again :). Enjoy Lu:)

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    My Apologies Hun ..When I commented on this thread I forgot your present name and used your Old one in Part. .cheers Lu :)

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Welcome To The Forums Hun.. You could Learn a lot of Positive advice on Here from both Sexes. Please feel free to share your opinions that will enhance your appeal. Positive supportive, informative,fun Posts work very well, It's surprising just how many People read but never Post . I've had many members come say Hi! and how much they enjoyed My Posts so Get Out there Mingle on the Forums be known ..Enjoy the Attention that may come from this in your Contacts.. Cheers Lu:)

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    the Troll...and then the three Billy Goats Gruff...the Troll tries to intimidate them but he is defeated by the eldest one, who butts him off of the bridge...the moral of the story is... bullies never win....sometimes fairy tales do come true.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Does the middle goat have claws? And what about the youngest?

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    The youngest has an acid tongue.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    You can call me Devious anytime. And you are also the only person on RHP that can get away with calling me hun.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    That was unnecessary. I do enjoy a lot of your posts, they show how caring you are. . Thank you to Mes and Meeka for telling me that about the pics, I didn't know because I didn't see Summer's profile while it was still active. So, I took her at her word on that post. I'm not sure how familiar Summer could be to the site considering her under-estimation of how quickly her fake pics would become obvious to our practiced forum tineyes. As opposed to forum dicks, ah police. . Beautifully spoken Sun_Kissed, I've never found that silence worked for me though. . Good to see you Lu.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    should stay under the bridge and should come out when they play nicelyFOXY

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Pics have been something of a hot topic and there's so much about them in the forums... but who knows and it is only a mention and not meant to be the body of my last post.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Lot of hot air that's all. I think Ambiguous is the word she was looking for?

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    I wrote a brilliant article for this post but the moderator (you know who you are :P ) didn't seem to think it was worth posting!Apparently they've tightened up the censorship round here lately...Never mind, I couldn't stop laughing hysterically as I wrote it, it took me ten minutes, so I got what I wanted.RA

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    I woulda loved to have seen it myself... You got what you wanted?... I gather you were out to waste 10 minutes?

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Hysterical laughter is what he wanted...and he got it.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    They say laughter is the best medicine. xxx

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    I told my ex (who lives overseas) he can visit our two dogs anytime. Today he told me I never said such a thing and how dare I lie. After all this time I'm still not sure if he does all of it on purpose, or if he really remembers things the way he wants them to have happened.

  • Tall74nHard9

    Tall74nHard9

    12 years ago

    Quoting 'Mesmerised' I told my ex (who lives overseas) he can visit our two dogs anytime. Today he told me I never said such a thing and how dare I lie. After all this time I'm still not sure if he does all of it on purpose, or if he really remembers things the way he wants them to have happened. I can relate well to this type of experience with a few of my family too. You would be the only one who knows better how your ex thinks, but from my experience it is how the others think they have responded to a particular situation, not necessarily how they actually did. Your ex may indeed be genuine that he believes you did or didn't explain something to him, even though you are certain you have told him something previously. Could be early signs of dementia (or similar), or he may also just be screwing with you to get you off balance ?   Tall

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Quoting RandomAgent: "I wrote a brilliant article for this post but the moderator (you know who you are :P ) didn't seem to think it was worth posting!" RA, are you saying that one (or more) forum members are actually mods, or paid employees of RHP? Now wouldn't that be a twist on this whole misrepresentation scenario?

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    RHP did advertise for a new staff member in Perth via a pop-up when we signed in a year or two ago lol. I don't think there is any rule to stop an employee from posting in the forums though. ;-)

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    I suspect RandomAgent knows exactly what he's doing. Definitely a good way to get people talking about you.