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Feminists .. the root of all evil ??

March 24 2013

I read this tale posted on another site and decided to share it here, its quite an interesting point of view." To you Hateful FeministsNo, it isn't okay that women are called sluts when they have active sex lives. It also isn't okay that men are called perverts, players, man-whores, he-sluts and are referred to a knuckle dragging neanderthals when they TOO want to express their sexuality freely. It is okay that a woman wears a skimpy outfit in public and I wouldn't complain if she wore nothing at all. If a man is attracted to her sexually he shouldn't be demonized. If he whistles and yells he just wants to be noticed by a mate he is drooling over. we are really inconsiderate about male sexual feelings. Look, I think most men get the idea here, they think about sex a lot more than women do. That being, they think about ACTUALLY HAVING SEX more than women do and women seem to express their sexuality differently. That being said, just because men have different needs doesn't make them any less human or their needs any less important. If you call yourself sex positive then it has to work both ways. A man's right to flirt is as important as a woman's. A man's right to be naked is just as important as a woman's. A man's right to pursue sex partners is just as acceptable as a woman's. When a man flirts with a woman before ever being turned down, he isn't sexually harassing her. If he says something lewd, isn't that still his freedom of speech? Even if it offends someone? Isn't everyone offended by different things? Could we ever make everyone happy by silencing one word or gesture at a time?How can you harass without persisting? The whole concept of harassment is continuous badgering, nagging, annoying even. It isn't the first time a guy even so much as grabs his crotch suggestively and winks. Yeah, that's a huge offensive gesture but it certainly isn't harassment if it only happened one time. When was the last time you saw a woman get sued for grabbing her own breasts and shaking them around ala girls gone wild? When was the last time you heard of that lawsuit from one occurrence? If it happened once or twice, it was probably either by some money crazed opportunist or a vengeful misogynist. Men aren't degrading women by checking them out, looking at porn, going to strip clubs, or simply having sex with multiple partners. Men are sexually reproducing human beings and that's just a gender specific urge that comes natural to more men than women. Women largely have an ability to exploit large sums of money and even power from sexuality, a power few men have. There is nothing degrading about that whatsoever, but first we have to agree that sex isn't degrading, it is part of the human experience. The feminists push the rape hysteria on and on, but really, the hysteria is false. It is false because feminists need high false rape statistics to have a seemingly invincible movement and lots of power over society as victims. Unfortunately it leads a lot of women to hate men, be afraid of them, which is very unnatural. A woman should be empowered with the truth that we are all partners and while there are indeed crazies out there women aren't all about to be raped at any given second. So let's fight for women to have the ability to not be ashamed of their sexuality. Let's fight for women to have the ability to not be ashamed of how they dress when they want to dress less than modest. If we do that though, at least have the courtesy not to make the other half of the human species look like violent rapist cavemen who by their very existence are out to harm all women. Talk about degrading, it is rather blatant. Let's all fight to live and let live."

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RHP User

13 years ago

As a card carrying feminist I had no idea that I was spouting all that tripe,gee I must go back and check my copy of the Feminist Manifesto again. I quite like the idea of being an Evil Root though...yeah baby

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13 years ago

Just a couple of days a go on radio, they still made fun and bad comments about Tiger Woods. It was about he is having a girlfriend or a partner now, I really didn't listen so closely first,then I did, it was about the poor woman who has chosen him. Then I listened even more, because it went on and on how bad he was. My thoughts went, what the fuck is going on, has ever anybody seen his site, I don't think so? I don't think anybody has given him a chance to voice anything, and would he have voiced his site would it have made a difference, we would have blamed it on him anyway because the swine cheated.When the whole business would have been re-worst and his wife would have been the cheater in the marriage we would have all been up in arms when he took the golf clubs to smash the car window, he would have been most likely prosecuted. But because it was a poor woman and he cheated he deserved it. So are we slowly going total of the rails here? Cant we be anymore realistic? We have both, female and male rapists, only it is much harder for a male to be convincing in voicing he is raped, because can a man be raped???? Made uncomfortable by females who are on heat, females who behave in an inappropriate way? Come on males keep your dick in your pants you should be more controlled, even women are not in this situations.We are not anymore just, we as a society make men first the perpetrator, prosecute him in our minds without even listening to his site. I see it all around me, I have son's. Women want Alpha Males, but are pissed of when the male portrays the alpha male behavior. Women are sexually as much to blame as men when something goes wrong, most of the time not always. Sex sells and we know it, doesn't it stands for pussy power, we know exactly and 100% we have the mens balls in our hands when we shake our booties. Males who are starved on sex out of there minds, married and single once, males are bombarded by sex images about females, sexy females. Males are reacting sexually by visual images, so we say to them, yes look at us females but dont you dare and show us you are wanting to fuck us, thats rude, that's criminal. We have still much to learn how to be equal in this human existence, but we will not make it when we start blaming only the males. I dont like rape and violence against no one, but we have to stop only portraying it against males. We have to acknowledge it is in us women too.I dont like the real feminist movement because it is of the mark, totaly of the mark, I am for equal rites for both of us.This one was just after my heart who ever wrote this article. We especially on RHP should be proud to think we have both the right to our expression of sexuality, in a safe and respectful manner to each of us.Litonya.

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RHP User

13 years ago

I love to root feminists and when I'm not rooting them I'm rooting for them!! This persons post is uneducated bullshit (not you op but the piece you quote), no one says men can't enjoy women. The problem is when that is done in a way that does not respect her as a human being, a person first. So he can look at me, oogle as much as he likes and tell me that I look lovely but when the first grunt is something like 'geez, your fuckable' it's not respectful or reasonable. The lack of an acknowledgement of the problem of rape in our culture, Indeed the downplaying of this means that this person's argument goes down the toilet. Rape is an issue and it affects the interaction between men and women significantly. When men stop raping women will stop being scared. End of story.

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13 years ago

Quoting 'Awesome71' I love to root feminists and when I'm not rooting them I'm rooting for them!! This persons post is uneducated bullshit (not you op but the piece you quote), no one says men can't enjoy women. The problem is when that is done in a way that does not respect her as a human being, a person first. So he can look at me, oogle as much as he likes and tell me that I look lovely but when the first grunt is something like 'geez, your fuckable' it's not respectful or reasonable. The lack of an acknowledgement of the problem of rape in our culture, Indeed the downplaying of this means that this person's argument goes down the toilet. Rape is an issue and it affects the interaction between men and women significantly. When men stop raping women will stop being scared. End of story. I'm not going to get started on this myself, because I'll probably never stop. So I will just say that I wholeheartedly agree with Awesome71.

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RHP User

13 years ago

Your profile is very interesting...

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13 years ago

Quoting 'Awesome71' I love to root feminists and when I'm not rooting them I'm rooting for them!! This persons post is uneducated bullshit (not you op but the piece you quote), no one says men can't enjoy women. The problem is when that is done in a way that does not respect her as a human being, a person first. So he can look at me, oogle as much as he likes and tell me that I look lovely but when the first grunt is something like 'geez, your fuckable' it's not respectful or reasonable. The lack of an acknowledgement of the problem of rape in our culture, Indeed the downplaying of this means that this person's argument goes down the toilet. Rape is an issue and it affects the interaction between men and women significantly. When men stop raping women will stop being scared. End of story."...But i only propositioned her once in front of her kids your honour...surely this is not harrasment or offensive.....and I only raped her a little bit...."Yes watching porn is fine (as long as it doesn't portray forced sex or non consenting sex or violence or children), enjoying the asthetics of a scantily clad member of society (male or female depending on your preference is fine too), but shouting lurid comments across a public space is not! Not only can it be offensive to the person involved, but what about all the other people in the area? Ever stop to think about them?If you want to act like an animal...live in a zoo. The caveman days are over .......

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13 years ago

Wow, so let's just gather together some paragraphs based on the same old stereotypes about male and female sexuality and word it in a way to cause hatred toward the feminists.... YAWWWWNNNNNN! Sorry but this post is just silly. Stereotype 1: Feminists think men shouldn't express their sexuality: this harps back to second wave feminist stereotypes of the "man-haters" of the 70's and 80's, which we are well past these days. Feminism is about equality of the sexes, that women have just as much right to express their sexuality as men. That women shouldn't be viewed as sexual objects with no desires of their own. Newsflash: women are STILL called sluts for sleeping with numerous guys or dressing provocatively. So yeh, there's still work to be done on that point. Stereotype 2: Women think about/desire less than men. This is soooooo very untrue and completely baseless it's not funny. Social constraints on women prevent women from actively expressing their thoughts/desires because they will be judged and punished for it. Men and women may tend to express sexuality differently because of those social constraints, it doesn't mean that the have different sexual needs or sex drives etc. A basic statistics lesson that there is more variability within groups than between groups (more variability in sex drives/desires between different individual women than there is in general between women and men). Basic, high school stats info there.Stereotype 3: Men who harrass women are just expressing their attraction, no matter how they do it. There's a little thing called RESPECT. There are respectful ways of expressing desires/attraction and disrespectful ways. The odd wolf whistle can be quite uplifting but when you can't walk past a building site for the cat calling, it's downright embarrassing. There are times and places for expressing desire, i.e. at a club, you can get away with far more than at the office with your secretary. Unwanted advances are not fun to deal with. It can be degrading, embarrassing and make you feel like a piece of meat. I have nothing wrong with a man respectfully flirting but I do have a problem with a man who is disrespectful of me as a person. It's the difference between treating someone as a person or as an object. One time by one man may not be sustained harrassment, but come on, it's still in poor taste. Go take a bus in India to see the effect of multiple men doing it just once.Stereotype 4: Men spread their seed, women take their money. This is calling on evolutionary perspectives, which lack a lot of research. Most evolutionary theories are based on animal behaviour and applied to human behaviour. This is just another stereotype, no wisdom here. How many of us fell in love with a penniless man and built lives together? I'd say most people. Furthermore, women are just as likely to cheat as men.Stereotype 5: Feminists think men are degrading women by checking them out/looking at porn/stripclubs/sex with multiple partners. What I read here is: women, if you are not ok with being treated as an object, no more than a toy or a number of holes for the satisfaction of men, you are a bitchy man-hating feminist. This idea was prevalent among anti-feminists in the second wave in order to dissuade women (and men) from agreeing with the feminist cause. Sex is not degrading if the people are treated respectfully, the problem is the post is arguing that all sex is perfectly ok, no matter how anyone is treated. Why is it a bad thing to NOT want to be treated as an OBJECT? Since when has the desire to be treated as a PERSON meant that I hate men? I have a male partner, other men and boys in my life that I love. I'd think it far better to raise our sons to believe that a woman is a person first and her anatomy last. Point six: rape hysteria. I bet this was written by a man. The fact is, when you look at the stats, Australia is a high-rape country and rape is an under-reported crime. There is a reason why women are told by the police not to walk the streets at night alone, or even sometimes in the day. Is it being hysterical to have your guard up when walking to your car at night? Is it hysterical to keep your eyes on your drink at the pub and not leave it? Rape is a real threat in our society and women and children are most at risk. Did the likes of Jill Meagher and Daniel Morecombe teach us nothing? Men are also at risk of rape and there is nothing wrong with being anti-rape. The fact is the majority of rape and sexual abuse is perpetrated by males. Scarier still is the fact that the majority of rape and abuse is perpetrated by males that are known to the victim. It's true that women aren't all about to be raped at any given second but there are massive consequences if you let your guard down. It's just not worth it. Patriarchal societies have higher instances of rape because women are not equal to men. There are some cultures out there in which rape in almost non-existent. Rather than glossing over the rape stats, we should be fighting to eliminate the inequality, attitudes and behaviours of both men and women that create that inequality. There is an interesting theory that all men benefit from rape because women are afraid of being abused that they will settle for a "decent" man (i.e. one that won't abuse them). Is that really what we want in our society? I don't think so! So if the above arguments make me a feminist, I will proudly don my Doc Martens, cut my hair short and burn my bra!**PS... damnit you made me violate my no-more-long-winded-posts resolution!

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RHP User

13 years ago

but it is men who rape in almost all circumstances... If women can't walk down the street it is because men allow it, so... The post featured, targeted feminists and makes the assumption that feminists believe that ALL men are rapists.. I think Germaine has fucked more people than many on this site and I don't think it was rape.. Feminists are not the whining harpies in dreds and hessian shirts as portrayed in the media... Mike

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13 years ago

is not about sex it is about power . Men still hold almost all cards when it comes to being violent, egoist, bastards... Mike

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13 years ago

I agree Mike. Rape is about power. It always has been. Objectifying someone due to physical attractiveness or any other form of objectification is just another way to exercise power. Same with sexual harassment and porn. A lot of porn show women to be in a weaker role and pretending to like it. As long as there is this power imbalance, the problem is not going to go away. The Tiger Woods case was big news because he is a celebrity. I am not defending his actions but it wouldn't have been big news if he was anyone else. The same with the ex-Director of the CIA. I find it weird that he apologises to the nation first before apologising to his wife. I think he got his priorities wrong.

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Feminists .. the root of all evil ??

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