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10 cents for a shopping bag
July 04 2013
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RHP User
12 years ago
makes no sense,a non sense,for just a few cents,and that's my 2.5 cents
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RHP User
12 years ago
My frugal girlfriend taught me well and that you should have a little bag folded into a tiny square and tucked away in your handbag....ok I dont have one there atm but handbag still weighs nearly 5kg.I do recall myself standing there dumbfounded on more than one occassion trying to think did I want to by a bag???? then saying How much is a bag and when they say 10c I go ...Oh for god sake its only 10 cents yes.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Part of the Joy of buying Crap I don't need is the ability to look like a Big Spender and to lash out & buy as many bags as I want ! GG♒- Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Sale or no sale, they provide us with bags because we buy their products. Regardless of those few cents for the bags, they still make plenty of profit. Target is the only shop we know of that charges for bags and it's 20c here not 10c... we don't shop at Target.Banks used to offer gifts to draw customers in, now they charge for everything. A monthly service charge if your account is below a certain amount, too bad for low income earners. The cost to use another bank's teller machine starts at $2 per transaction. Large fines if we bounce a cheque or don't have enough to cover the direct debit, this again hits low income earners. Businesses charge $2+ if we don't pay our bills via direct debit which again hits the low income earner, specially if they don't have the bank balance to cover that because then they incur the direct debit charge. Some businesses also charge if they have to send out a paper bill. Many businesses also now charge if your direct debit or cheque fails to clear. Some businesses force you to use a credit card which then attracts a surcharge. My point is that everyday business is getting more and more expensive... and if you happen to be a low income earner, that's only going to hit all the harder. Over here in the West, they're looking at charging for parking at shopping centres... at the rate things are going, we are not going to be able to afford to go shopping, sale or no sale. :-( The lady you mention was buying everyday items by the sounds of things, maybe buying them on sale because that's the only time she can afford them. It could be her credit card was actually a debit card which does not attract the same charges as a credit card. Things could be really tight for her and her family. All guesses on my behalf of course but things aren't always as obvious as they seem.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I remember when banks bought in ATM's and were whingeing about the cost and wether people would use them. Within a year they were sacking tellers wholesale.I do a hell of a lot of shopping online now, because of parking (Freo) and the bullshit fees, I tell you what if I was told credit only with a surcharge you'll see the mushroom cloud !Actually I wonder if that is legal ? Hmmm
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RHP User
12 years ago
The local IGA in Margaret River has been selling 20c bags for years, I thought the idea was to get rid of plastic bags ....it's working! People down that way are generally environmentally aware, so they use biodegradable bags or the cardboard boxes the supermarket provides. Personally, I think it's a great idea. Mr S
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RHP User
12 years ago
Is not to cover costs, usually. It's to prompt people to think about whether they REALLY need one. Less plastic bags equals less waste that won't biodegrade and therefore will end up in one of the two great oceanic waste dumps - which are an appalling indictment on humanity.
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RHP User
12 years ago
cwhereitgoes it never ceases to amaze me, the charge is to restrict the amount of plastic bags in the environment and encourage people to use the environmentally friendly bags, if one is so lazy or forgets to bring theirs then that is their problem, instead of taking it out on the staff or the store, it is not really for them to profit rather than an environmental thing, this woman's thinking is warped, sure a small item sounds trivial but she has just purchased heaps, it would have been funny to see.When is all said and done it is only 10c per bag. This policy has been in for quite some time so everyone has had plenty of warning.
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captainkaos
12 years ago
shops charged for bags just to encourage people to be enviromentally conscious? ? ?
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RHP User
12 years ago
hi all, interesting no sex thread - kinda refreshing...lol target actually donate all the money they make from bag sales to charity.....just thought you should know.....also since they have started this, people have taken more responsibility in having their own - thus cutting down on waste....yes I was shocked at first until 1. I realised money was going to charity. 2. like beneath_blueeyes - I too have 2 tucked away in my bag.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Yes Captn Targets bags are biodegradable thats where the cost factor comes in.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Are there to discorage you from taking a plastic bag which will end up in landfill and not be biodegradable.Shops...big business should also take the initiative as a few have in the UK and provide biodegradable bags......makes sense yesIts nothing to do with 'customer service' or lack of. Its our responsibility as humans who want to leave this planet in a good state
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RHP User
12 years ago
OP...Hummmm I hope you offered your kind assistance to the lady? Be a bit "rich" if you didn't ?? FOXY
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Three_Wise_Words' Is not to cover costs, usually. It's to prompt people to think about whether they REALLY need one. Less plastic bags equals less waste that won't biodegrade and therefore will end up in one of the two great oceanic waste dumps - which are an appalling indictment on humanity. I try not to take store bags wherever possible and most of the time they don't even ask if you want one, they just automatically go to put even something small that could fit perfectly well into a handbag into a plastic bag. When I say I don't need the bag half of them look at me like I've just grown another head
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RHP User
12 years ago
It is part of human nature really. I have know people who would spend more to drive all the way to a place just so that they could save a few dollars from their local shop. They look at the dollar amount rather than the time and other less tangible costs like petrol. Quite a number of shops charge for bags - Aldi, Bunnings and Target just to name a few. I have no problems with stores charging for bags as plastic, especially plastic bags, is a big environmental issue. If I don't bring my own bag, I just put the goods back in the trolley and wheel it to the car where I have boxes in the boot for storing loose items. That is a good idea blueeyes but being a guy I don't have a man bag (i.e. satchel) to keep it in. Cool thread OP. Something different for a Friday morning and something to remember when we go shopping on Saturday - Reduce, Reuse, Recycle
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RHP User
12 years ago
I've done a bit of googling this morning and from what I can see, the 'profits' from Target's REUSABLE bags go to charity. There was no mention about the profits from the plastic bags. And as far as the good to the environment goes, at the time Target made the change to charging for their 'plastic' bags, they also started making them from cornstarch which is compostable which then had already solved the issue of the harm plastic bags do to the environment. As far as Customer Service goes, ompostable bags is something I would encourage rather than placing an impost on 'plastic' bags.And I don't throw my plastic bags in the bin (or anywhere else) until they are full of rubbish, something I would be doing anyway. How convenient it would be if those bags were compostable. That is the change I would be pushing for. Thanks to everyone for the incentive to educate myself about this and hopefully educate others.Yes Mr Kool, I remember the sackings of staff at banks at the time of the introduction of the teller machines, there have been more sackings since, blamed on sinking profits in years when banks were making record profits. Lol and yes Freo does suck for parking! It was Mr P who mentioned the forced use of credit cards to me, he often listens in on RHP threads. We have a credit card but since we paid off the loan which the card came with we don't use it in favour of a debit mastercard which draws from our bank account and attracts no fees whatsoever. Cheers
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RHP User
12 years ago
Our Bunnings store does not charge for bags but they do provide cardboard boxes as an alternative at no extra cost. Cardboard boxes are another option I support in an economic climate that sees many struggle to pay their everyday bills that have gone up by a huge amount in the last few months while wages have not.
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RHP User
12 years ago
as long as the whole 10c or 20c, for a bag, goes to charity? A lot of retailers offer convenience items on the proviso that the proceeds go to charity, when actually 'fuck all' of the cost actually makes it there, and that really pisses me off!
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RHP User
12 years ago
I forgot about boxes at Bunnings. Thanks for reminding me. I do use cardboard boxes at the markets though, so much easier to carry all the fruits and veg. As you said, they give it out for free :)
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'deepbluesumthing' as long as the whole 10c or 20c, for a bag, goes to charity? A lot of retailers offer convenience items on the proviso that the proceeds go to charity, when actually 'fuck all' of the cost actually makes it there, and that really pisses me off! It's only the profits from the reusable bags that go to charity... I read nothing about the profits from the 'plastic' bags going to charity. Quoting 'zu7bcv' I forgot about boxes at Bunnings. Thanks for reminding me. I do use cardboard boxes at the markets though, so much easier to carry all the fruits and veg. As you said, they give it out for free :) Thanks zu7bcv, very nice of you to say :-D I applaud Bunnings for their innovation and shop there regularly. I don't see why the cardboard boxes that are used to deliver products to all stores aren't made use of more often. Most stores must send 1000s for recycling when we could be reusing them instead. That would impress me. I can think of several local, smaller stores who also reuse their cardboard boxes, they are places we choose to shop at regularly. It's the customers that keep the stores open and it would benefit them in my opinion to find ways to benefit both the environment and their customers, so in my opinion, it is a matter of Customer Service.
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RHP User
12 years ago
In the interests of the environment I never take a paper bag for my script from Chemists who almost never ask if I actually want a bag when I'm carrying a perfectly good one over my shoulder. If the environment is the issue, there are changes that could be made by stores on it's behalf which would also save them money.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Other options... How many people remember using paper bags for their shopping before plastic bags hit the scene, still a cost to the environment but surely better than plastic bags.
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RHP User
12 years ago
"No thanks I married one"Me bad.
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RHP User
12 years ago
some arsehole is making a killingas the place to put the trolly back into is usually bent in so you can't push it up to get your dollar backor its wayyyyyyyyyyyyy over the other side of the car park to find another one to mach up with. Its a scam I tell you, now I don't bother to pay but I wish we had to pay for all trolly usei am sick of them left up and down the street, thrown into vacant lots people should be charged with theft if they are seen taking them back home.mind you people are so bloody poor these days and cant even afford a bus ride to the shops so who can blame them.We are not the so lucky country anymore, and ten cents to some is lot when you add it all up.anyone watch four cornersI worked for Centrelink for years, and believe me its no fun being on the dole or a single parent. especially in WA where rents are through the roof, many people are becoming homeless and even people that have a job are heading that way.never laugh at an others misfortune. No matter how small it may seem to you.now off my bio degradable soap box
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RHP User
12 years ago
I have seen people walk home with trolleys full of groceries. That is fine as long as they bring it back. Some do, most don't. I even had people dump it on the vacant land next to my place. If you see that, just call the supermarket and they will pick it up.I don't know about your place TR (So used to calling your TR) but there are a lot of trolley bays conveniently located on every row of the car park near my place. Yet still, you find trolleys all over the place. I asked someone that before and they said to give those 'lazy' trolley collectors work to do. I guess we can justify anything.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Tuscan Red: it is meant to encourage people to return their trolleys, the amount of damaged or lost trolleys cost heaps, but I have noticed some people can't be bothered so the guys that collect the trolleys get one or two dollars each time, if 100 people in one day don't claim their coins that can be abt $100 if 1000 of course they make $1000 no tax, of course you might get the savvy dero that realises if they scour the supermarkets they can get extra money for their grog, I know of one that does this and he abuses people that try to cross his turf.
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RHP User
12 years ago
The corn starch bags fall to bits in seconds :( The reusable bags are an environmental disaster in their own right. Let's all remember the four Rs - Reduce, Reuse, Repurpose, Recycle. And I'd add one more - Responsibility - yours, that is ;)
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RHP User
12 years ago
..and on finalising my purchase I was offered the option of buying a 350ml $2 bottle of water, of which the money goes to a charity for people and communities overseas with no access to readily available and clean drinking water. I thought, "Okay, why not?" I was thirsty anyway so I didn't mind grabbing a $2 bottle.Later on, I thought to myself....? Gee? I hope it's used to provide a sustainable source of drinking water for those communities? It is horrifying to think that they might only give these thirsty, dehydrated and desperate people a scabby 5c plastic bucket and then tell them to walk 50 miles to find some water.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Its interesting, cotton production has a far bigger carbon footprint than plastic. Add to that fertiliser and pesticide run off.A cotton bag needs to be used about 170 times to equal the carbon footprint of one plastic bag.So roughly 3 years if you shop once per week.Its the end of life cycle where they gain an advantage, also the biodegradable bags use more resources than the plain plastic ones. It would seem likely that the best environmental outcome is to reuse the stronger plastic ones whose average use time is 20 minutes !Next.Who shops and taxis kids in a 2 tonne four wheel drive ?
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RHP User
12 years ago
But let me assure you, 3 years use we are not going to get out of bags that deteriorate in the back of the car in a matter of months. Oh all right, I went out to the car and had a look, they're made of polypropylene. The chiller bag's plastic interior is also breaking down, I should have just thrown them in the rubbish while I was there!
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RHP User
12 years ago
She lives two doors up from work...we'd like to give her our 10cents worth! LOL LOL wonder if we buried her she'd be biodegradable?? Doubt it. :( FOXY
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RHP User
12 years ago
SuperFoxy, what's the equivalent term (as in old bag) for a male??
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RHP User
12 years ago
Isn't anybody outraged that bottled water is dearer than petrol ?It's absurd !
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WHY_NOT_LOOK
12 years ago
Wow I'm so HAPPY THAT most of you don't mind the charge on bags...money goes to Alanah and Madeline foundation ..... ALSO THEY TURN TO POWDER VERY FAST .... seen full boxes wasted from not rotating them..... i always have 2 reusable bags in my bag don't need to use store ones BUT,,,,,,,,,,,, TARGET didnt introduce this by choice it was brought in by law that they had to look for other eco bags..... target was first to get the corn starch bags... then the government didnt follow thru with the law.... shame that kmart and big W and supermarkets are still doing nothing ..shame on themWhy is nothing fixable now it broken throw iy like tvs and fridhes never last long now
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'WHY_NOT_LOOK' Wow I'm so HAPPY THAT most of you don't mind the charge on bags...money goes to Alanah and Madeline foundation ..... ALSO THEY TURN TO POWDER VERY FAST .... seen full boxes wasted from not rotating them..... i always have 2 reusable bags in my bag don't need to use store ones BUT,,,,,,,,,,,, TARGET didnt introduce this by choice it was brought in by law that they had to look for other eco bags..... target was first to get the corn starch bags... then the government didnt follow thru with the law.... shame that kmart and big W and supermarkets are still doing nothing ..shame on themWhy is nothing fixable now it broken throw iy like tvs and fridhes never last long now At Target it's only the PROFITS from the REUSABLE bags, NOT the corn starch bags that goes to charity. There is at least one chain store that recycles plastic bags at no cost to the public. I myself use my shopping bags for rubbish and other purposes, so they get reused at least the once in our house.Target did introduce it's corn starch bags by choice, the law to ban plastic bags was never passed though it was introduced. A quick google confirms that the government itself knocked back the bid to outlaw single-use plastic bags shopping bags. The Government used it's numbers in the upper house to defeat the Labor Bill. If the bags turn to powder so fast (before thay can be used) taking into account the manufacturing process, they are not necessarily a viable substitute as far as the benefit to our environment goes. While it is an emotive issue, there are many ways of reducing the use of plastic that does not include adding to the price of shopping for the average householder who is already struggling to pay the bills, let alone pay for a lack of imagination in dealing with plastic waste. Again I ask, why not use paper bags? They worked fine for me before plastic bags were ever introduced as an everyday item to carry our shopping in. They offer a $1000.00 prize every month to one lucky winner for turning in escaped trolleys over our way Tuscan. Lol Mr Kool, I don't think we should go into what outrages me...
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RHP User
12 years ago
"The making of paper can waste many thousands of gallons of water, as can the recycling of paper. The human and mechanical efforts and costs are very high, not forgetting the physical cost to loggers and those who work around the numerous chemicals. Plastic is, by comparison, efficient and low energy to produce, and, easily and efficiently recycled. Plastic reduces, recycles marvelously, and in that, is reused. After contrasting the efforts behind the making of paper and plastic, it is our unbiased opinion that plastic is indeed more beneficial to the environment, in that it is less harmful. The next time you are asked the dreaded question, "Paper or plastic?", you can answer knowing that you are making the informed choice." I pinched this off the web it says what most sites do on the topic. I would post the link but of course you can't here.I just googled plastic v paper bags.
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RHP User
12 years ago
just buy a cool shopping trolley...for Brizzy peeps there is a shop in West End that sells gorgeous French ones
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RHP User
12 years ago
The page it came from is very interesting and I learned a lot I didn't know before.I had a look at quite a few other pages and agree that paper bags are not the best replacement in several ways, thank you for educating me. Something does need to be done about the plastic cluttering the Earth's oceans and waterways and causing harm to innocent animals though. I'm still not prepared to pay for or inclined to use biodegradable plastic bags (they're not so good for the environment either, I've included a copy and paste below from one of the sites I looked at) and will make the effort to remember to take my reusable bags into the shop for the weekly shopping while making sure not to buy anymore of the type that break down in my car making them yet another addition to the damage caused to the environment. I'll also copy the very clever idea posted on this thread of carrying a folded up plastic bag or two or more lol with me! I'll keep refusing the useless paper bags given to me at the chemist (without even asking me) and keep suggesting they ask before giving. Biodegradable plastic bags are often made from farmed products like cornstarch, which, in the right conditions, will break down into elements like carbon dioxide, water and methane. Biodegradable bags are generally best suited to composting and may contribute to methane emissions if sent to landfill. To meet international standards, bags need to compost within 12 weeks and fully biodegrade within 6 months. Biodegradable bags are not suited to recycling.And the bottled water, stupid that it is so bloody expensive and ridiculous that it adds another form of plastic to our ever growing plastic crisis.
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WHY_NOT_LOOK
3 years ago
Looking back at this thread we now have paper bags in store. And this has taken how many years 😳
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